She was dismissing his views that men are also abused in many ways in relationships and society. Whether people want to admit this or not and use and abuse their power as a woman ( this is a real issue) She literally confirmed this cutting by him off cos he listens to Jordan Peterson 😤
@@ibexdnb2879 she'll double down and play the victim - claiming she's the victim of a hate campaign by evil JP's army of trolls, like Cathy Newman and C4 did. Never reasonable, never accountable
I think that's his point, should be for the children but it's not. Then he starts yapping right wing nonsense so no one takes his original point seriously
@stuartcuthbertson3295 ah yes the child's welfare is The most important thing...after the mother has decided not to abort it or hand the newborn to the state for foster care. The welfare of the child is more important than a mans rights, but not more important than the mothers.
Proves his point and shows her lack of understanding, parotting the victim echo chamber line. Very childish, what you'd expect from a deluded narcissist detached from the reality of the common person for 40 years. Very clearly partisan and an embarrassment to your network.
@@hoWa3920 Do you believe that that all relationships break up because of toxic and dangerous men? Do you believe that there are no vindictive and manipulative woman in the world?
@@hoWa3920 You don't see that as a bit naive? When you respond to his comment with this, you kind of imply that women are never guilty of being bad faith actors when it comes to custody, but you don't surely believe that is the case do you? If so yeah, as I say, very naive.
In these discussions people seem to forget that fathers for justice was a thing for a bit. The fact that that movement existed should be a red flag for the system in itself.
😂I don't like Peterson because he's a little cry baby.. but I've never seen him lose a debate. Channel 4 , GQ.. etc .. these women got owned as they say.
in fairness to this guy, as soon as he said "there is a contempt of men in society" she interupted him, which wont have helped him re-evaluate his bias!
notice how his points are dismissed and regularly deflected on to the fairer gender, men aren't allowed to be victims and empathy towards men is not common
Wow. I'm astonished by the amount of negativity toward Jordan Peterson. It feels a bit Echo Chambery.. To me. No quotes as to what he's done or said wrong... Just lots of childish scoffing
@@orangewarm1 hmm. What the heck is your definition of a misogynist then? She has a Degree from Cambridge University. Her daughter has a PHD - also from Cambridge University.
@janetmac4856 nobody has actually brought up any evidence that JP is a misogynist. Did you Google Vorderman's degree? I suggest you do, especially the classification
@tomjohnson9833 I did. And her daughters. I also checked out JP. The guy is not consistent on many things. He is consistent on his misogynistic attitudes. P.S. I didn't just look at one item on him. How about his quote "the idea that women were oppressed throughout history is an appalling theory." Yeah, his beliefs make him a misogynist. Anything else you want me to look up for you?
That was hilarious. The guy was trying so hard to be reasonable, and then he has to go and try and quote Jordan Peterson. Carol's reaction was spot on!
She was losing the argument that was about to get worse so she was looking for an out! Childish, pathetic & narcissisticly self-righteous behaviour. Can't handle nor contest an alternate opinion, so the toys are thrown. Where are the adults?
Really disappointing to see. Makes me think Carol knows nothing about Peterson, except for what people have falsely painted him to be. Do I agree with everything Peterson believes? No, not at all. But I can definitely say reading his 3 books have helped me greatly and especially as a father. Can we get a list of people who cannot be quoted to Carol, as not to upset her? What a ridiculous approach to a conversation.
You are NEVER going to believe everything someone else believes. That is the problem today. The Far Left believe if somebody says one thing they don't agree with then they are (insert term here). It's ok to not agree with someone. Infact it's awesome because it means we can discuss ideas and create a better bond amongst citizens.
I would think that anyone who thinks most women sticking to their traditional roles is in the best interest of society would be classed as a misogynist by Vorderman. Peterson definitely leans that way.
Family courts are NOT there to keep families yogether believe me im speaking ss s father who was forced through this system,whoever the full time carer is whether it be man/woman,they are allowed to play the system,tell lies,manipulate the system,which sadly sll impacts the child,i have now NOT seen my son since he was 9 years old,he will be 17 at end of september,i had to tell the courts i will stay out his life for his peace,its a heartbreaking disgrace of a situation!
At least Peterson's talking to (manipulating his pain) this man while this woman just shrugs off a person who's served his country, lost access to his child and is trying to engage with a topic where he's just not being listened to.
@@porcupineinapettingzoo The guy literally said the mother has "accusations" or some such against him. You are proving Carol's point by automatically assuming the guy is innocent.
Unfortunately, we find ourselves in a society where differing ideologies can lead to severe consequences for individuals. If someone holds beliefs that clash with those of another, they may face being "canceled" or ostracized from social circles and platforms. Carole Vorderman is a prime example of this phenomenon; if you express dissenting views that contradict her ideology, you may find yourself facing backlash and being effectively marginalized. This growing trend of cancel culture highlights the challenges of fostering open dialogue and understanding in a world that often prioritizes conformity over constructive conversation.
THERE ARE ALSO WOMEN WHO ARE SO VINDICTIVE GAINST THEIR EXS THAT THEY TRY EVERY TRICK IN THE BOOK INCLUDING LYING TO STOP THEM FROM HAVING CONTACT WITH THEIR KIDS!!!! THAT IS SO WRONG!!!
Definitely! But usually women and children are the victims and NOT men. So at this point behaving as if men were THE victims of family court systems is egomaniacal, ridiculous and delusional.
@marcomobson Don't agree with original comment in anyway shape or form. However, I think using words like "usually" in this conversation is not helpful at all.
Peterson is such an easy speaker to fall for... six or seven years ago. Anyone with a modicum of critical thinking skills should be able to see through him by now. If you're buying what he's selling, it's not because of the validity of his ideas.
Lots of evidence of the problematic nature of many of his positions, I would recommend "Some more News a brief look at Jordan Peterson" a UA-cam channel for some suggestions where there are areas for reasonable consideration of concern.
@@philipnorthfield @jimthompson9370 didn't understand "Some more News" is a channel. Although anyone with a modicum of critical thinking skills should have been able to make any sense of that anyway
She was wrong. Listen to the facts. Jordan Peterson is a bad person but the listener was just trying to make a point. I've also been falsely accused by women before. The police always treat you as guilty until proven innocent. A false accusation can ruin your life.
Don't quote that misogynistic professor with a PhD in clinical psychology & a successful 35 year marriage on my show. Says the woman who openly dates multiple men at the same time. No, Carol, you shouldn't have cut the caller off.
@@adamlee3772yep, her show as well. So she can just cut men off for quoting professors in pyschology if she wants. She's all about freedom of choice isn't she
@@cenarena I live in the states. Where in a few months we may elect a self-described dictator, because “press freedom” is taken to mean any lunatic idea deserves to have a public voice. As the host, Carol has a responsibility to maintain the integrity and decorum of the discussion. Well Done.
However calmly the caller had explained that the system doesn’t mitigate against vindictive women making false claims, Carol would have dismissed it as a non-issue. Just as my comment will be dismissed as îNñçĖLL.
She was wrong for two reasons. 1) She was ignoring his point that women can be abusers of men but male victims aren't being considered as the woman is the only one considered (what the caller was trying to debate); and 2) If Carol were a man and the caller a woman, and discussing a female Peter Jordan, the male interviewer would be very much chastised! Carol's didn't appear objective at all. She was utterly rude because of her own personal dislike of Jordan Peterson.
Completely understand why she doesn’t want Jordan Peterson quoted to her but I prefer James O’brian’s style where he listens to them drivel from callers like this and then dismantles their argument. He’s been at this longer though and has far more experience with people who listen to the likes of Jordan Peterson
@@WotsisFace if you want a comprehensive view I recommend watching Pangburn's videos of his debates with Sam Harris or Matt Dillahunty. Personally, as an anti-religious person I think his most dishonest claim is that atheists are unconsciously religious, but he's generally dishonest in every subject he discusses.
@@WotsisFace The man is a joke, speaks from authority, word salads and no evvidence for anything, as corrected mention by @WotsisFace watch his debates, with Harris and Dillahunty, they were both very polite with him, but he will never debate him again despite may invites cos they hold him to fire and he could not substanciate his claims with valid reasons and evidence.
No I think she was wrong to hang up. The caller had some valid points, Carol has some valid points. The solution could have been found by having the conversation, which may have been uncomfortable. To hang up on him just mentioning Jordan Peterson’s name without hearing what he had to say was a bad move. Imagine a woman called into a male presenter and having the a conversation about abortion rights for example, and she wanted to quote Taylor Swift or Kamala Harris and the presenter hanged up. That would be seen as misogyny
That argument doesn't work as well as you think it does. Peterson is a misogynist whereas Taylor Swift or Kamala Harris are not misandrists. Those are not level playing fields you are ascribing on either side. Carol clearly was listening to his points, and combating them when he was wrong. For an analogy of a different topic, would you accept someone quoting the head of the KKK or ISIS to validate the claim they're making? Peterson is not as extreme, but he's definitely far from neutral and is usually step one in guiding people towards the incel pipeline.
@@mohammedsaleh7 you missed my point entirely and just picked on the buzz word misogyny. My point is that if the message is correct or there is a valid point to be explored, does it matter who the messenger is? For example if the conversation was about masculinity and he was quoting a clip of Jordan Peterson saying something like, ‘I believe a man should spend more time sweating than watching other people sweat every week’, which is not controversial. Should we dismiss that view because it is the 1 in 10 that you don’t disagree with?
@@mohammedsaleh7to answer your extreme scenario, yes I would listen to the point they made. Because once they said it, if the point they are making is very weak compared to my argument/opinion then they would have lost the debate and may question their own views and opinions. Sometimes the best tactic is to let other people feel comfortable and talk, metaphorically you are giving them the rope to hang themselves
Sadly, you'll see the truth one day!!! The very fact she shut him down proves the JP theory that women's feminist aggression can be toxic and bias.... The caller should have been allowed to speak, but Carol is a political luvvie who doesn't like difficult conversations or debates, she just likes to hear her own voice...
Obviously a know convicted grapest, or any violent criminal should not be around children. If a child in adulthood, choose to get to know their father or their choice. But parents and society are meant to protect children. Sadly with not know all the details of anyone situation. It’s very difficult to know who’s telling the truth and who’s making up lies and it must be the same for the family court. However if we are all honest with ourselves, we know that there are women out there that use the children as weapons against fathers and other members of the family. Even when some fathers are given supervised access. Some can’t be bothered, so it’s a very difficult issue all round. I don’t envy those who have to make decisions, but do feel the family court needs reforming. As do many other public services.
But like Carol you haven't a clue what he was going to quote from Jordan Peterson. Even if you don't like someone you might just occasionally agree with them. We will never know because Carol is obviously not a fan of freedom of speech and is extremely prejudiced in her views. She is only comfortable with the views that she agrees with. At least James O'Brien would let the caller go on and give him a chance to express or hang himself with whatever he was about to say but on this occasion we will never know!
@@Ibluntlysaywhatithinkdo you know what freedom of speech is? Or are you as warped as Jordan? I don’t think you do bluntly say what you think, I think you do it when you have anonymity. I think in public you just resent that nobody wants to hear your opinion.
@Ibluntlysaywhatithink freedom of speech means you can be critical about the government in public without fear of prosecution... it doesn't mean you get to keep talking to people, and they are obliged to listen. It was never that, and it will never be that. It's not a right to a captive audience...😂
@axelandraro This isn't about freedom of speech. There is no law saying he should be allowed to quote Jordan Peterson. It about the fact that you and Carol can not articulate the reason why he should not be able to quote Jordan Peterson or quite any misogynistic thing that he has ever said. Us pointing out this fact and complaining about it is not a free speech issue at all. It is a question of integrity.
im stunned by everyones reaction to jordan peterson, calling him a sexist. He's a brilliant mind. Because his work is primary appealing to men because he covers alot of the struggles that men face in society, that does not at all make him sexist. Seriously this demonizing of any and all male role models in society and instantly calling them sexist is just disgusting.
@@michaelhadley7855 Agreed. It's very telling and quite frankly upsetting that such a large percentage of people are happy to just believe what they hear, without taking the time to form their own opinions.
It is not everyone's reaction, but people who do not like the fact that he can produce evidence that contradicts bigotry are sometimes too cowardly to confront their own shortcomings.
The fact that you club Peterson and Tate together shows where you've learned who the bad guys are. Peterson is NOTHING like Andrew Tate. Tate is actually a misogynist
Man makes point about a man and quotes a man, Carol immediately cuts him off and warns people not to quote men she does not like Point made, point proven! Sorry Carol you are lovely person, but you walked right in to that one.
Carol is an intelligent woman with empathy and compassion she understands people and is educated politically. The exchanged was fair but a little background on Peterson would have made more sense. Never had the stomach to listen to his voice.
Woe betide anyone who goes against the lbc narrative. Most of the presenters with the exception of Swarbrick & Ferrari viciously attack and cut off callers who defy their views.
This man has obviously been bruised by a system he found unfair (to quote him...we do not know the details of his case...), and he generalises. I have not been subjected to bad treatment, but I have seen friends who were. I cannot abide Jordan Peterson either. She disconnectd after explaining why she would not continue this conversation, and warned callers not to do that. So, fair enough. It is her show.
@@clangboomsteam. The left are the ones who base their entire thought process on feelings rather than facts or rational reality. Vorderman behaviour is an example of this.
She should have at least heard him out and let the listener decide if the quote was relivent to the callers argument. How can anyone make informed decisions or opinions when things like this are allowed... just what was the quote?
@@iandodds3218 Until the caller started to quote JP she was hearing him out, and she actually said that they were having a decent discussion, but as soon as he mentioned JP she realised it was a red flag to a direction she did not want to go to. She was right to close the conversation there.
@@GretsGarbo-h9m ....he has tried to silence people who criticise Israel or certain people who happen to be Jewish, but i agree he shouldn't be silenced...and no I'm not a pro Palestine supporter!
@@staggeringdeath8479 I have followed Jordan Petersen pretty carefully over the past few years. I have not heard him try to silence anybody. Sure, he had criticised pro-Hamas supporters and has defended the Jews, as any right minded person would But I have not hear of any action he has taken to try to shut the pro Hamas lot down. Please enlighten me.
It’s her choice if she wants to hang up but it says a lot for her own character for not hearing him out. Would love to hear her back up her claims to JP himself but we know that won’t happen.
If the caller had kept his cool and repeated JP talking points without mentioning JP's name, Vorderman would have had no idea and would be flailing for answers to protect her narrative.
My ex blew 135 going down the wrong side of M23 with my kids in the car and crashed. Family court gave her custody cuz the father worked away from home. Got custody after one year and lawyers laughing all the way yo the bank. Men are desciminated against full stop.
As for hanging up on callers, it's HER show, not theirs. She can hang up on whoever she likes. Free speech doesn't include forcing folk to listen. We have the right to ignore people.
No she wasn't. The caller gave his personal perspective and then Carol decided the conversation should be about whether or not she liked Jordan Peterson.
So he was on the edge, where do you think he is now that all his points were shrugged off and when he tries to bring a different perspective he's hung up on?
@andybeans5790 why is advocating for Mens Rights automaically seen as terrible? I dont agree with Misogynists who say things like "all feminists hate men". I also disagree with people like you who seem to think all MRAs hate women (correct me if Im wrong of course). You should look into people like Richard Reeves and Scot Galloway to broaden your horizons. Civil rights movement didnt hurt white people, feminism didnt hurt men, and helping boys and men today wont hurt women.
Jordan Peterson has gone off the rails. Sicne his breakdown all that UA-cam stuff is a bit getting more alt right. He had Tommy Robinson on recently and spoke to him like he was a big fan. Problem with Jordan Peterson is he thinks he's an expert on every subject and sadly is not even looked upon favourably in his clinical psychology field. If he was a politician he would be a dangerous man.
@spector969 well thats quite easy to answer. He has listened to boys and men about their problems in todays society. We're not allowed cite structural issues facing men. Society sees issues facing males as problems inherent to men, but issues facing women as structural problems we need to tackle.
@@spector969 "Up Yours, Woke Moralists! We'll See Who Cancels Who" He was upset because he got booted from twitter, since he can't stop being bigoted towards minority groups.
She probably should have listened and given a reply shutting down people from this side of the argument only serves to make them double down in their views. Also a broken clock can be right twice a day.
Whether you agree or disagree with the caller, Jordan Peterson or the lord Jesus Christ, we should be able to air our views without restraint. It’s not about who’s right or wrong here, it’s about listening to one another & when you’ve a privileged lifestyle it’s always easy to have people agree with your view rather than the average Jo but it doesn’t mean you’re right!
At first i listened to Jordan and i thought he's clever and he might have a point but then i started to understand that this was a man who's mind was unravelling in slow motion and lashing out at anything put in front of him. Someone who isn't coping well with a world which is changing. Word to the wise, the world is always changing.
I watched his psychology lectures for years before he had any public profile. And I watched how his infamy spread due to his perfectly valid opposition to compelled speech. Almost the entire news media thought he was the devil incarnate and portrayed him so. This has to have an effect on a person. The more reasonable news outlets have softened noticeably on peterson lately, but there are still people, like those who consume LBC's output for leisure, who are stuck with that initial representation of him, and likely only view is lectures through critical videos that deliberately cut and misrepresent his statements.
I work in adult social care and the number of men coercing controlling and abusing the woman is sky high. These men should not go near children. My opinion of ending the call is justified as Peterson should not even being mentioned in any discussion
@@noprob4me "A lot of what we learn, we learn painfully and its not surprising that people shrink away from learning. So its better to eat a little poison everyday, so you don’t have to overdose after a month." - Jordan Peterson the smith of word salads By your logic, no one should listen to Peterson, since the lack of rationality "renders his comments completely pointless".
@@whisperingleaves (life is full of lessons. Some are difficult lessons to learn and it's no wonder people shy away from those lessons. If you are able to learn those difficult lessons incrementally instead of all at once they are easier to digest.) Without the context in which he said the quote that for some reason you didn't want to give me I would assume he was saying something along those lines. No word salad and simple to understand.
No issue here. Referencing Peterson, the doyen of 'the word salad' would have done it for me also. The only thing more egregious, would have been to cite Trump or Tate on this issue, or on any issue, come to that.
Of course women aren’t aggressive towards men. Take this man for example, he serves his country and he can’t even get to see his own son as the mother of his children makes false allegations - that’s not female aggression in any way. Then he calls Vorders who laughs at him and tells him Peterson is a “total mysogynist“ and cuts him off for merely mentioning Peterson’s name. No female aggression or controlling behaviour here.
I agree. I am a woman and I hate misogynists. Jordan Peterson is NOT a misogynist. Carol Vorderman should stick to countdown. She obviously wants to shut people down she does not agree with.
Jordan Peterson is close to Douglas Murray, which is enough to put me off. It seems better though to expose his views to critical thinking than to "cancel" him.
I’ve been to family courts quite a few times this past ten years. As-long as you haven’t done anything horrendous then you’ll always get granted access, however, it’s not as simple as that as the mother can make accusations which have to be investigated by Cafcass, she can demand drug tests, paternity, reliability etc. As soon as it leaves court the power goes directly back to the mother, if she makes excuses or decides she can’t be bothered etc then you don’t see your child and no court will punish a mother for this as it effects the children in a negative way…family courts can work if the mother plays ball, other than that all their rulings are as flimsy as the paper they’re written on
I look forward to the day when all LBC programs are uploaded in full to UA-cam. I watch the full JO’B and I wish to watch Carol in full. She was absolutely right in this situation. His points might have been valid without his quoting JP. But as soon as he did I lost all respect for his argument.
No, his points haven't been valid. For several times he becomes disproven, then he paddled back, took a new example as evidence just to make absolutely generalized assumptions. 🥴
Vordermans clearly rattled by even his name. Jordan is a highly intelligent, highly respected clinical psychologist and even if his views do not align with Carol's, you shouldn't be so afraid to immediately shut it down.
@@greglane8655 That’s just a caricature though. He does have some insight, largely based on Carl jung’s work; animus and anima possession for example. One can agree or disagree with these insights but we should at least examine them, live on air. If you haven’t seen it already, the Cathy Newman interview on channel 4 is intriguing
No she should not have, it's the type of civilized discussions we should be hearing and I agree with most of the callers points and also about how aggressive younger females have become..
Yeah but also Alex Jones, Russel Brand and Steve Bannon would support this caller😂. Carol was spot on in shutting down this caller when he cited that vile person.
There are abusive men and what this presenter seems to forget is there are also abusive women. The abuse may be different, less physical, etc but it still exists. My experience of family court 20 years ago was it was never in question where the child would live, the only questions were how much access I could get and how much I'd have to pay. This man's pain comes from a real place and I think the presenter should have tried to understand rather than lecture. If you choose not to speak to him, Peterson will!
@porcupineinapettingzoo I'm sorry to hear you went through that and hope you still managed to salvage a healthy relationship with your child. I'm in the middle of that journey now myself and regularly receive abuse from my ex and have been refused the right to see my daughter in the past. I sympathise with the caller and it pains me to see so many men pushed to the likes of JP and Tate. And they are pushed. Carols approach here is not helping the situation.
Carole was quite right to end the conversation there. When someone cites Jordan petersen of all people as a source, it is time to end the conversation. What would ensue is nothing short of a waste of time. Petersen's relentlessly mesmeric, intellectually toxic word salads are even more pointless when quoted by his cultists.
I worked in the Family Court system and they definitely side with the Mother before the Father. I don't know anything about the case they are talking about I am just stating a fact.
He probably hit his child as Peterson suggested in 12 Rules For Life. “For the child who is pushing the limits in a spectacularly inspired way, a swat across the backside can indicate requisite seriousness on the part of the responsible adult.” Goodbye parental rights.
@@steve10 - Sue for what? It's not defamatory if it's true. Jordan Peterson gives that advice in 12 Rules For Life. You'd know that if you weren't a fake Peterson fan.
i know the quote he was going to bring up and it is an interesting one for the discussion. It's how male violence is obvious and is physical and you can all see it. Female violence often comes in the form of character assasination and emotional attacks, it can be extremely damaging and much harder to prove. Its not even a dr peterson quote neccesarily, its him quoting the psychological studies that have been done on the differences in the sexes.
She was dismissing his views that men are also abused in many ways in relationships and society. Whether people want to admit this or not and use and abuse their power as a woman ( this is a real issue)
She literally confirmed this cutting by him off cos he listens to Jordan Peterson 😤
She just showed herself as a misandrist.
@@steve10 Yeah but, if you marinade a lobster in sudo-cream, they will become a misandrist too.
Carol proving that men are silenced under the false accusation of misogyny. Well done Vorderman nice work .
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I doubt Vorderman realises it, but she's just proven the caller's point 100 times over.
This video will be replayed for a long time.
I think the irony fell flat on her and LBC..
@@ibexdnb2879 she'll double down and play the victim - claiming she's the victim of a hate campaign by evil JP's army of trolls, like Cathy Newman and C4 did.
Never reasonable, never accountable
Carol : There is no contempt for men in society
Carol 5 seconds later : You cannot talk about that man on MY show.
The left at its finest
Family courts are their for the children predominantly...............that should be the first concern.
Should.
I think that's his point, should be for the children but it's not. Then he starts yapping right wing nonsense so no one takes his original point seriously
@stuartcuthbertson3295 ah yes the child's welfare is The most important thing...after the mother has decided not to abort it or hand the newborn to the state for foster care.
The welfare of the child is more important than a mans rights, but not more important than the mothers.
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@obiwanjabroniX have you anything of substance/constructive to add, or just emojis?
Proves his point and shows her lack of understanding, parotting the victim echo chamber line.
Very childish, what you'd expect from a deluded narcissist detached from the reality of the common person for 40 years. Very clearly partisan and an embarrassment to your network.
As a man I know of many women who punish their ex partners by refusing access to their children.
Just punishing, nothing to do with protection of the children?
@@hoWa3920 Do you believe that that all relationships break up because of toxic and dangerous men?
Do you believe that there are no vindictive and manipulative woman in the world?
They don’t have much choice
@@hoWa3920 You don't see that as a bit naive? When you respond to his comment with this, you kind of imply that women are never guilty of being bad faith actors when it comes to custody, but you don't surely believe that is the case do you? If so yeah, as I say, very naive.
@@JM-qd2ky as a man that’s been through family court, we get treated fine
In these discussions people seem to forget that fathers for justice was a thing for a bit. The fact that that movement existed should be a red flag for the system in itself.
Imagine vorderman trying to debate Peterson would be hilarious
Why - because women 'cAn'T dEbAtE'? She's hardly Eliza Doolittle.
Well JP is always hilarious whatever he does.
Not for JP it wouldn't. Especially if she asked him about his beef, salt and water only diet! And that's the least of his "problems".
It’s hard for anyone honest to debate Peterson since he’s so evasive and can’t answer questions without asking you to define what ‘is’ is 😂
😂I don't like Peterson because he's a little cry baby.. but I've never seen him lose a debate. Channel 4 , GQ.. etc .. these women got owned as they say.
So Carol
A former favourite is showing her INTOLERANCE of Jordan Peterson
Says a lot about Carol
Regardless of what's been said here, the courts make the man prove everything he says and what the woman says is taken as gospel.
"I've been through family courts and been denied access to my son"
"Anyway Jordan Peterson says..."
Cant imagine why his wife left him!
That is a very sneering comment to make about someone you don’t know
@@mjl2904we know he has been denied access to his kids and we know he listens to Jordan Peterson
Ha Ha Yeah
I was waiting on him to say I have a Andrew Tate Gym routine I work out to
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@@mjl2904he is getting advice from Jordan Peterson. He is his own problem.
Name one thing Peterson has said that is misogynistic.
She did display some uncharacteristic ignorance. Peterston is many odd things but women hating...nah
in fairness to this guy, as soon as he said "there is a contempt of men in society" she interupted him, which wont have helped him re-evaluate his bias!
notice how his points are dismissed and regularly deflected on to the fairer gender, men aren't allowed to be victims and empathy towards men is not common
What bias he has to re-evaluate?
Wow. I'm astonished by the amount of negativity toward Jordan Peterson. It feels a bit Echo Chambery.. To me. No quotes as to what he's done or said wrong... Just lots of childish scoffing
Most LBC listeners appear to be part of the woke cult. They hate anybody speaking against the cult.
You should be able to quote anyone. Especially a Phd. Peterson isn't a misogynist at all.
@@orangewarm1 hmm. What the heck is your definition of a misogynist then? She has a Degree from Cambridge University. Her daughter has a PHD - also from Cambridge University.
@@janetmac4856Peterson is in no way whatsoever a misogynist , to say so is ludicrous.
@janetmac4856 nobody has actually brought up any evidence that JP is a misogynist.
Did you Google Vorderman's degree? I suggest you do, especially the classification
@@tomjohnson9833JP once said that it would be better if r pe was a property crime against a woman's father/husband, not against the woman herself.
@tomjohnson9833 I did. And her daughters. I also checked out JP. The guy is not consistent on many things. He is consistent on his misogynistic attitudes. P.S. I didn't just look at one item on him. How about his quote "the idea that women were oppressed throughout history is an appalling theory." Yeah, his beliefs make him a misogynist. Anything else you want me to look up for you?
That was hilarious. The guy was trying so hard to be reasonable, and then he has to go and try and quote Jordan Peterson. Carol's reaction was spot on!
Are all Jordan Peterson quotes null and wrong?
No she ran away from it because she can't keep up and she doesn't fully understand.
@@tomjohnson9833any quotes that aren’t wrong are either basic and don’t need to be said or can be found from a better source
Vorderman's reaction was the reaction of a bigot.
@@tomjohnson9833 He does not get it right on some things. He gets it right on most and he is certainly not a misogynist.
She was losing the argument that was about to get worse so she was looking for an out!
Childish, pathetic & narcissisticly self-righteous behaviour.
Can't handle nor contest an alternate opinion, so the toys are thrown.
Where are the adults?
Really disappointing to see. Makes me think Carol knows nothing about Peterson, except for what people have falsely painted him to be.
Do I agree with everything Peterson believes? No, not at all.
But I can definitely say reading his 3 books have helped me greatly and especially as a father.
Can we get a list of people who cannot be quoted to Carol, as not to upset her?
What a ridiculous approach to a conversation.
You are NEVER going to believe everything someone else believes. That is the problem today. The Far Left believe if somebody says one thing they don't agree with then they are (insert term here). It's ok to not agree with someone. Infact it's awesome because it means we can discuss ideas and create a better bond amongst citizens.
Carol Vorderman obviously does not know what a misogynist is. She should stick to countdown.
Which she hasn't been on for 16 year.
@@tynebar Maybe Love Island is more suited to her?
She can't do that. They let her go when it turned out she thought she was worth 10 times as much as they did.
@@GretsGarbo-h9m I wouldn't know
I would think that anyone who thinks most women sticking to their traditional roles is in the best interest of society would be classed as a misogynist by Vorderman. Peterson definitely leans that way.
Family courts are NOT there to keep families yogether believe me im speaking ss s father who was forced through this system,whoever the full time carer is whether it be man/woman,they are allowed to play the system,tell lies,manipulate the system,which sadly sll impacts the child,i have now NOT seen my son since he was 9 years old,he will be 17 at end of september,i had to tell the courts i will stay out his life for his peace,its a heartbreaking disgrace of a situation!
Im very sorry to hear that. I hope you guys manage to build a relationship once he is his own man.
Of course they’re not to keep families together! Is that what you wanted them to do for you?
Why on Earth does someone like him even listen to Carol Voderman????
Yep, going to JP as some sort of authority (on anything) immediately self-identifies the caller as a loony.
At least Peterson's talking to (manipulating his pain) this man while this woman just shrugs off a person who's served his country, lost access to his child and is trying to engage with a topic where he's just not being listened to.
As loony as Carol being an authority on Liebour?
@@julian987r4 got any other made-up stuff you'd like to rage about?
Word!
@@porcupineinapettingzoo The guy literally said the mother has "accusations" or some such against him. You are proving Carol's point by automatically assuming the guy is innocent.
Unfortunately, we find ourselves in a society where differing ideologies can lead to severe consequences for individuals. If someone holds beliefs that clash with those of another, they may face being "canceled" or ostracized from social circles and platforms.
Carole Vorderman is a prime example of this phenomenon; if you express dissenting views that contradict her ideology, you may find yourself facing backlash and being effectively marginalized. This growing trend of cancel culture highlights the challenges of fostering open dialogue and understanding in a world that often prioritizes conformity over constructive conversation.
THERE ARE ALSO WOMEN WHO ARE SO VINDICTIVE GAINST THEIR EXS THAT THEY TRY EVERY TRICK IN THE BOOK INCLUDING LYING TO STOP THEM FROM HAVING CONTACT WITH THEIR KIDS!!!! THAT IS SO WRONG!!!
Don't think anyone is denying that.
Writing in all caps doesn’t make your point any more valid, nor does it make you lot seem any less unhinged…
Definitely! But usually women and children are the victims and NOT men. So at this point behaving as if men were THE victims of family court systems is egomaniacal, ridiculous and delusional.
@@marcomobson INSTEAD OF SEEING MY POINT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A ROW!!!!
@marcomobson Don't agree with original comment in anyway shape or form. However, I think using words like "usually" in this conversation is not helpful at all.
I agree that the family court system is totally against men.
She is so mundane and privileged-imagine Vorderman in a debate with Peterson 🤣
Peterson is such an easy speaker to fall for... six or seven years ago. Anyone with a modicum of critical thinking skills should be able to see through him by now. If you're buying what he's selling, it's not because of the validity of his ideas.
Any evidence on his toxicity?
Lots of evidence of the problematic nature of many of his positions, I would recommend "Some more News a brief look at Jordan Peterson" a UA-cam channel for some suggestions where there are areas for reasonable consideration of concern.
@@philipnorthfield- that doesn’t make any sense.
@@jimthompson9370 well watch the video and feel free to highlight any errors, it's a brief examination of areas that may be of concern.
@@philipnorthfield @jimthompson9370 didn't understand "Some more News" is a channel. Although anyone with a modicum of critical thinking skills should have been able to make any sense of that anyway
She was wrong. Listen to the facts. Jordan Peterson is a bad person but the listener was just trying to make a point. I've also been falsely accused by women before. The police always treat you as guilty until proven innocent. A false accusation can ruin your life.
She thinks she's something she isn't.
Don't quote that misogynistic professor with a PhD in clinical psychology & a successful 35 year marriage on my show. Says the woman who openly dates multiple men at the same time.
No, Carol, you shouldn't have cut the caller off.
What has her dating life got to do with anything? Her life, her body, her choice.
@@adamlee3772yep, her show as well. So she can just cut men off for quoting professors in pyschology if she wants. She's all about freedom of choice isn't she
It's her show so she can do as she pleases
I don't think Carol's audience tunes in to hear about Incel leaders like peterson little buddy. bye bye
@@cenarena I live in the states. Where in a few months we may elect a self-described dictator, because “press freedom” is taken to mean any lunatic idea deserves to have a public voice. As the host, Carol has a responsibility to maintain the integrity and decorum of the discussion. Well Done.
However calmly the caller had explained that the system doesn’t mitigate against vindictive women making false claims, Carol would have dismissed it as a non-issue. Just as my comment will be dismissed as îNñçĖLL.
Its some time we live in 😂
She was wrong for two reasons. 1) She was ignoring his point that women can be abusers of men but male victims aren't being considered as the woman is the only one considered (what the caller was trying to debate); and 2) If Carol were a man and the caller a woman, and discussing a female Peter Jordan, the male interviewer would be very much chastised! Carol's didn't appear objective at all. She was utterly rude because of her own personal dislike of Jordan Peterson.
Completely understand why she doesn’t want Jordan Peterson quoted to her but I prefer James O’brian’s style where he listens to them drivel from callers like this and then dismantles their argument. He’s been at this longer though and has far more experience with people who listen to the likes of Jordan Peterson
Agreed, it definitely helps to have experience with Petersen's dishonest word salad to effectively rebut it, and JOB is more of a debater
The problem with listening to them is it gives them the platform. Sometimes the only answer it to walk away.
Just out of interest… what did Peterson say that isn’t true?
@@WotsisFace if you want a comprehensive view I recommend watching Pangburn's videos of his debates with Sam Harris or Matt Dillahunty. Personally, as an anti-religious person I think his most dishonest claim is that atheists are unconsciously religious, but he's generally dishonest in every subject he discusses.
@@WotsisFace The man is a joke, speaks from authority, word salads and no evvidence for anything, as corrected mention by @WotsisFace watch his debates, with Harris and Dillahunty, they were both very polite with him, but he will never debate him again despite may invites cos they hold him to fire and he could not substanciate his claims with valid reasons and evidence.
WRONG ACTION..ATLEAST BE OPEN TO DIALOGUE IN DISPUTE OF THE INDIVIDUAL IN QUESTION, WITH THE CALLER WHO IS A REASONABLE PERSON. CUTTING OFF WAS RUDE!
No I think she was wrong to hang up. The caller had some valid points, Carol has some valid points. The solution could have been found by having the conversation, which may have been uncomfortable. To hang up on him just mentioning Jordan Peterson’s name without hearing what he had to say was a bad move.
Imagine a woman called into a male presenter and having the a conversation about abortion rights for example, and she wanted to quote Taylor Swift or Kamala Harris and the presenter hanged up. That would be seen as misogyny
That argument doesn't work as well as you think it does. Peterson is a misogynist whereas Taylor Swift or Kamala Harris are not misandrists. Those are not level playing fields you are ascribing on either side. Carol clearly was listening to his points, and combating them when he was wrong.
For an analogy of a different topic, would you accept someone quoting the head of the KKK or ISIS to validate the claim they're making? Peterson is not as extreme, but he's definitely far from neutral and is usually step one in guiding people towards the incel pipeline.
@@mohammedsaleh7 you missed my point entirely and just picked on the buzz word misogyny. My point is that if the message is correct or there is a valid point to be explored, does it matter who the messenger is? For example if the conversation was about masculinity and he was quoting a clip of Jordan Peterson saying something like, ‘I believe a man should spend more time sweating than watching other people sweat every week’, which is not controversial. Should we dismiss that view because it is the 1 in 10 that you don’t disagree with?
@@mohammedsaleh7to answer your extreme scenario, yes I would listen to the point they made. Because once they said it, if the point they are making is very weak compared to my argument/opinion then they would have lost the debate and may question their own views and opinions. Sometimes the best tactic is to let other people feel comfortable and talk, metaphorically you are giving them the rope to hang themselves
She's so wrong for this
I'm glad she shut him down. Listening to someone quote Jordan Peterson is like getting dating advice from Andrew Tate..no thank you.
Or historical understanding from Noam Chomsky
Sadly, you'll see the truth one day!!! The very fact she shut him down proves the JP theory that women's feminist aggression can be toxic and bias.... The caller should have been allowed to speak, but Carol is a political luvvie who doesn't like difficult conversations or debates, she just likes to hear her own voice...
100% the left are constantly whining about intolerance but she doesn't even have the decency to hear him out. Embarrassed her self.
Carol gets past around by 20 year olds she shouldn’t be talking about relationships
Hows JP a mysoginist… whats he said thats mysoginistic?
He is not and it is a slanderous lie to make the accusation without evidence.
Obviously a know convicted grapest, or any violent criminal should not be around children. If a child in adulthood, choose to get to know their father or their choice. But parents and society are meant to protect children. Sadly with not know all the details of anyone situation. It’s very difficult to know who’s telling the truth and who’s making up lies and it must be the same for the family court. However if we are all honest with ourselves, we know that there are women out there that use the children as weapons against fathers and other members of the family. Even when some fathers are given supervised access. Some can’t be bothered, so it’s a very difficult issue all round. I don’t envy those who have to make decisions, but do feel the family court needs reforming. As do many other public services.
Who are you tell which family members can associate with who? The state is incompetent why would you even let them near your family.
Shouldn’t be on conversational radio if she hangs up on people. Guess she’s still smarting at getting sacked by Countdown
As soon as he mentioned Jordan Peterson I understood why he can’t see his children
But like Carol you haven't a clue what he was going to quote from Jordan Peterson. Even if you don't like someone you might just occasionally agree with them.
We will never know because Carol is obviously not a fan of freedom of speech and is extremely prejudiced in her views. She is only comfortable with the views that she agrees with. At least James O'Brien would let the caller go on and give him a chance to express or hang himself with whatever he was about to say but on this occasion we will never know!
@@Ibluntlysaywhatithinkdo you know what freedom of speech is? Or are you as warped as Jordan? I don’t think you do bluntly say what you think, I think you do it when you have anonymity. I think in public you just resent that nobody wants to hear your opinion.
@Ibluntlysaywhatithink freedom of speech means you can be critical about the government in public without fear of prosecution... it doesn't mean you get to keep talking to people, and they are obliged to listen. It was never that, and it will never be that. It's not a right to a captive audience...😂
@@indefenceofthetraditionalma shame you can't articulate the reason in a comment.
@axelandraro This isn't about freedom of speech. There is no law saying he should be allowed to quote Jordan Peterson. It about the fact that you and Carol can not articulate the reason why he should not be able to quote Jordan Peterson or quite any misogynistic thing that he has ever said. Us pointing out this fact and complaining about it is not a free speech issue at all. It is a question of integrity.
I come here to see how hypocrisy works
Carol was completely correct in shutting down any mention of Lobster Boy.
@@Imnoexpert69420 Emo Kermit
Looks as though she’s channeling him to me👀
She did not choose to shut down the caller, her producer prompted her to. Maybe read her tweets to get to the truth.
@@bobbyd5167stop it
@@stronkserbia444read her tweets. Get a life mate.
😂 how ironic of vorderman to shut down his opinion just because she doesnt like JP. That wasnt very tolerant.
im stunned by everyones reaction to jordan peterson, calling him a sexist. He's a brilliant mind. Because his work is primary appealing to men because he covers alot of the struggles that men face in society, that does not at all make him sexist. Seriously this demonizing of any and all male role models in society and instantly calling them sexist is just disgusting.
@@michaelhadley7855 Agreed. It's very telling and quite frankly upsetting that such a large percentage of people are happy to just believe what they hear, without taking the time to form their own opinions.
It is not everyone's reaction, but people who do not like the fact that he can produce evidence that contradicts bigotry are sometimes too cowardly to confront their own shortcomings.
@@BANKO007 well its certainly the majority on LBC's youtube channel. All the most thumbed up comments are ones agreeing with carol vorderman here
“As a woman” and “I’m not having it” are not arguments.
Leading Britain’s Conversation…
… to where they want it.
surprised carol could see the hang up button through all her plastic surgery
*NEVER* quote Jordan Peterson or Andrew Tate!
Why not .
The fact that you club Peterson and Tate together shows where you've learned who the bad guys are.
Peterson is NOTHING like Andrew Tate. Tate is actually a misogynist
Man makes point about a man and quotes a man, Carol immediately cuts him off and warns people not to quote men she does not like
Point made, point proven!
Sorry Carol you are lovely person, but you walked right in to that one.
Bingo🎉
There is a contempt of men in the court system. Legal professionals will state the bias in court that favours women. I'm very disappointed in Carol
Can someone give me an example of whatever it is that JP said that is misogynistic?
You could always look it up for yourself and if you find yourself in agreement with him, maybe look for a decent psychologist at the same time.
@mickreaddin4979 great response.... oh wait there wasn't one.
Either you haven't been listening to him or you have been looking past the misogyny. Would you like to tell us what your impression of the man is?
@@PaulPennoOfficial His comment definitely constitutes a response. Not one that impressed you, obviously. But why didn't it exactly?
@@PaulPennoOfficial Answering on behalf of others... as recommended by Peterson, eh? Well done, you listened well!
quoting JP is the reddest of red flags!
@julesc1665 can you quote some of the bad things he has said here please? 🙃
Give an example to support your opinion
Your a red flag for your comment.
@@conalcorbally3001 The whole 'enforced monogamy' thing was a huge L for Peterson
Carol is an intelligent woman with empathy and compassion she understands people and is educated politically.
The exchanged was fair but a little background on Peterson would have made more sense. Never had the stomach to listen to his voice.
She supports Labour, how can she be intelligent?
@@garyowen4602 *Inserts Homer Simpson belch* who you support yourself
@@Dignity4allhumanity Who is Homer Simpson?.
@@garyowen4602 😘
Woe betide anyone who goes against the lbc narrative. Most of the presenters with the exception of Swarbrick & Ferrari viciously attack and cut off callers who defy their views.
This man has obviously been bruised by a system he found unfair (to quote him...we do not know the details of his case...), and he generalises. I have not been subjected to bad treatment, but I have seen friends who were. I cannot abide Jordan Peterson either.
She disconnectd after explaining why she would not continue this conversation, and warned callers not to do that. So, fair enough. It is her show.
A great example of Far Left thuggery from Carol and LBC here...
@@ibexdnb2879 sorry your feelings got hurt.
@@clangboomsteam. The left are the ones who base their entire thought process on feelings rather than facts or rational reality. Vorderman behaviour is an example of this.
@@clangboomsteam They didn't get hurt. I am just disappointed in Carol blocking speech. It's weak from her.
She should have at least heard him out and let the listener decide if the quote was relivent to the callers argument. How can anyone make informed decisions or opinions when things like this are allowed... just what was the quote?
Nothing that comes out of JP's mouth is 'informed'. It's the very definition of word salad.
@@iandodds3218 Until the caller started to quote JP she was hearing him out, and she actually said that they were having a decent discussion, but as soon as he mentioned JP she realised it was a red flag to a direction she did not want to go to. She was right to close the conversation there.
just proves Carol is not really up to the standard for this job as JOB would have battled him into submission.
Why has she got a white moustache?
Spot on. Mr “freedom of speech” Peterson has tried to legally silence plenty of people who disagree with him. He needs an off button.
Actually it is the other way round. People have tried to silence him.
@@GretsGarbo-h9m ....he has tried to silence people who criticise Israel or certain people who happen to be Jewish, but i agree he shouldn't be silenced...and no I'm not a pro Palestine supporter!
@@staggeringdeath8479 I have followed Jordan Petersen pretty carefully over the past few years. I have not heard him try to silence anybody. Sure, he had criticised pro-Hamas supporters and has defended the Jews, as any right minded person would But I have not hear of any action he has taken to try to shut the pro Hamas lot down. Please enlighten me.
@@GretsGarbo-h9m never said pro hamas....but any right minded person should be able to criticise Israel or a jew for a specific reason!
@@staggeringdeath8479Absolutely. But as I said, I have never heard him trying to shut anyone down.
It’s her choice if she wants to hang up but it says a lot for her own character for not hearing him out. Would love to hear her back up her claims to JP himself but we know that won’t happen.
If the caller had kept his cool and repeated JP talking points without mentioning JP's name, Vorderman would have had no idea and would be flailing for answers to protect her narrative.
JP is a crank in fairness
Compare to whom
Because he speaks the truth and you don't like it.
My ex blew 135 going down the wrong side of M23 with my kids in the car and crashed. Family court gave her custody cuz the father worked away from home. Got custody after one year and lawyers laughing all the way yo the bank. Men are desciminated against full stop.
As for hanging up on callers, it's HER show, not theirs. She can hang up on whoever she likes. Free speech doesn't include forcing folk to listen. We have the right to ignore people.
@@arkfunatic2024 how about forcing people to use made up pronouns? Do I have the right to ignore those kinds of requests?
@@northwestcoast Are people forced to call you "Sir"
@@northwestcoastnobody is forcing pronouns on people..
@@arbjfulthey are
@@arbjful that's kind of the point. Pronouns are being forced on people
That caller was removed quicker than Huw Edwards trousers.
Carole was very fair .. and yes there are some women but that wasn’t the subject .. he sounds on the edge of incel..
No she wasn't. The caller gave his personal perspective and then Carol decided the conversation should be about whether or not she liked Jordan Peterson.
So he was on the edge, where do you think he is now that all his points were shrugged off and when he tries to bring a different perspective he's hung up on?
He wasn't on the edge, quoting Petersen puts him squarely in the MRA camp
@andybeans5790 why is advocating for Mens Rights automaically seen as terrible? I dont agree with Misogynists who say things like "all feminists hate men". I also disagree with people like you who seem to think all MRAs hate women (correct me if Im wrong of course). You should look into people like Richard Reeves and Scot Galloway to broaden your horizons. Civil rights movement didnt hurt white people, feminism didnt hurt men, and helping boys and men today wont hurt women.
misandry is thick in the air these days, barely covered up and the topic is always deflected on to the superior privileged gender
Carol if you watch or listen to JP you might understand he’s not the person you think he is
Exactly...
Exactly but that would blow her ideology wide open and expose her.
Jordan Peterson has gone off the rails. Sicne his breakdown all that UA-cam stuff is a bit getting more alt right. He had Tommy Robinson on recently and spoke to him like he was a big fan. Problem with Jordan Peterson is he thinks he's an expert on every subject and sadly is not even looked upon favourably in his clinical psychology field. If he was a politician he would be a dangerous man.
Yrs, of course. You just know what kind of person he is. Zero tolerance for the Petersen apologists.
What specifically is it that Peterson has said or done that you deem to be so abhorrent?
@spector969 well thats quite easy to answer. He has listened to boys and men about their problems in todays society. We're not allowed cite structural issues facing men. Society sees issues facing males as problems inherent to men, but issues facing women as structural problems we need to tackle.
@@alipanroosendaal9503 How come he triggers you, and others, so much?
@@spector969are you seriously asking that question. Have you not seen anything about Peterson 😮🤷🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
@@spector969 "Up Yours, Woke Moralists! We'll See Who Cancels Who"
He was upset because he got booted from twitter, since he can't stop being bigoted towards minority groups.
Is this the 'call in if you agree with everything I say' show?
She probably should have listened and given a reply shutting down people from this side of the argument only serves to make them double down in their views. Also a broken clock can be right twice a day.
Whether you agree or disagree with the caller, Jordan Peterson or the lord Jesus Christ, we should be able to air our views without restraint. It’s not about who’s right or wrong here, it’s about listening to one another & when you’ve a privileged lifestyle it’s always easy to have people agree with your view rather than the average Jo but it doesn’t mean you’re right!
At first i listened to Jordan and i thought he's clever and he might have a point but then i started to understand that this was a man who's mind was unravelling in slow motion and lashing out at anything put in front of him. Someone who isn't coping well with a world which is changing. Word to the wise, the world is always changing.
I watched his psychology lectures for years before he had any public profile.
And I watched how his infamy spread due to his perfectly valid opposition to compelled speech.
Almost the entire news media thought he was the devil incarnate and portrayed him so. This has to have an effect on a person.
The more reasonable news outlets have softened noticeably on peterson lately, but there are still people, like those who consume LBC's output for leisure, who are stuck with that initial representation of him, and likely only view is lectures through critical videos that deliberately cut and misrepresent his statements.
Carol completely embarrassed herself and shows just how out of touch she really is
I work in adult social care and the number of men coercing controlling and abusing the woman is sky high. These men should not go near children. My opinion of ending the call is justified as Peterson should not even being mentioned in any discussion
@@sonnyboy5566 without a rational argument as to why he shouldnt be mentioned in any discussion renders your comment completly pointless.
@@noprob4me "A lot of what we learn, we learn painfully and its not surprising that people shrink away from learning. So its better to eat a little poison everyday, so you don’t have to overdose after a month." - Jordan Peterson the smith of word salads
By your logic, no one should listen to Peterson, since the lack of rationality "renders his comments completely pointless".
@@whisperingleaves The quote you just gave me is completly rational and true in some cases. What was the context that he said that in?
@@noprob4me explain it
@@whisperingleaves (life is full of lessons. Some are difficult lessons to learn and it's no wonder people shy away from those lessons. If you are able to learn those difficult lessons incrementally instead of all at once they are easier to digest.) Without the context in which he said the quote that for some reason you didn't want to give me I would assume he was saying something along those lines. No word salad and simple to understand.
Labour party advocate Carol vorderman owes every affected pensioner £300 this winter who lost winter fuel allowance
No issue here. Referencing Peterson, the doyen of 'the word salad' would have done it for me also. The only thing more egregious, would have been to cite Trump or Tate on this issue, or on any issue, come to that.
Egregious eh? Ooooh, get you!
Bravo well done Carol
Of course women aren’t aggressive towards men. Take this man for example, he serves his country and he can’t even get to see his own son as the mother of his children makes false allegations - that’s not female aggression in any way. Then he calls Vorders who laughs at him and tells him Peterson is a “total mysogynist“ and cuts him off for merely mentioning Peterson’s name. No female aggression or controlling behaviour here.
I agree. I am a woman and I hate misogynists. Jordan Peterson is NOT a misogynist. Carol Vorderman should stick to countdown. She obviously wants to shut people down she does not agree with.
She’s never right
Jordan Peterson is close to Douglas Murray, which is enough to put me off. It seems better though to expose his views to critical thinking than to "cancel" him.
Yeah, as soon as someone tries quoting him the conversation is over.
I’ve been to family courts quite a few times this past ten years. As-long as you haven’t done anything horrendous then you’ll always get granted access, however, it’s not as simple as that as the mother can make accusations which have to be investigated by Cafcass, she can demand drug tests, paternity, reliability etc. As soon as it leaves court the power goes directly back to the mother, if she makes excuses or decides she can’t be bothered etc then you don’t see your child and no court will punish a mother for this as it effects the children in a negative way…family courts can work if the mother plays ball, other than that all their rulings are as flimsy as the paper they’re written on
@@paulthrutner9114 why is Peterson a bad person?
Jordan Peterson is not a misogynist. Try listening to him with nuanced ears.
I look forward to the day when all LBC programs are uploaded in full to UA-cam. I watch the full JO’B and I wish to watch Carol in full.
She was absolutely right in this situation. His points might have been valid without his quoting JP. But as soon as he did I lost all respect for his argument.
We all want to "watch Carol in full" 😍
No, his points haven't been valid. For several times he becomes disproven, then he paddled back, took a new example as evidence just to make absolutely generalized assumptions. 🥴
@@marcomobsonI noticed that too.
I'd love Nick Abbot video recorded. But I know he doesn't want that
All the programs are available on the Global Player app.
Vordermans clearly rattled by even his name. Jordan is a highly intelligent, highly respected clinical psychologist and even if his views do not align with Carol's, you shouldn't be so afraid to immediately shut it down.
Oh dear, no she wasn’t right. I would have been interested to hear what he was going to say.
something about Lobsters, tidying your room, and how men are the real victims here.
@@greglane8655 That’s just a caricature though. He does have some insight, largely based on Carl jung’s work; animus and anima possession for example.
One can agree or disagree with these insights but we should at least examine them, live on air. If you haven’t seen it already, the Cathy Newman interview on channel 4 is intriguing
She attacked the person not the arguments.
Dr Peterson used statistical data to back up his opinions, Carol saw what was coming and legged it before she was exposed.
No she should not have, it's the type of civilized discussions we should be hearing and I agree with most of the callers points and also about how aggressive younger females have become..
What’s wrong with Jordan Peterson?
He just said a few things she disagrees with. Thats all.
Far left wing channels always shut down opposing opinions.
If you can't figure that out for yourself then you've got some big problems and are likely a single male over the age of 30.
he has the audacity to criticise the most privileged gender on the planet
@@pneumaticFrequency trans-women?
@@andyv123 I was thinking the regular kind, as that's actually on topic
Yeah but also Alex Jones, Russel Brand and Steve Bannon would support this caller😂. Carol was spot on in shutting down this caller when he cited that vile person.
There are abusive men and what this presenter seems to forget is there are also abusive women. The abuse may be different, less physical, etc but it still exists.
My experience of family court 20 years ago was it was never in question where the child would live, the only questions were how much access I could get and how much I'd have to pay.
This man's pain comes from a real place and I think the presenter should have tried to understand rather than lecture. If you choose not to speak to him, Peterson will!
@porcupineinapettingzoo I'm sorry to hear you went through that and hope you still managed to salvage a healthy relationship with your child. I'm in the middle of that journey now myself and regularly receive abuse from my ex and have been refused the right to see my daughter in the past.
I sympathise with the caller and it pains me to see so many men pushed to the likes of JP and Tate. And they are pushed. Carols approach here is not helping the situation.
Carole was quite right to end the conversation there. When someone cites Jordan petersen of all people as a source, it is time to end the conversation. What would ensue is nothing short of a waste of time. Petersen's relentlessly mesmeric, intellectually toxic word salads are even more pointless when quoted by his cultists.
Still seething over the cathy newman interview I see
@@SpiffingDay tidy your room
@@SpiffingDayno offense, but you're not smart
@@willywonka7812 Well for starters please use the ENGLISH (correct) spelling and don't bastardise the language, no OFFENCE.
Lol!
I worked in the Family Court system and they definitely side with the Mother before the Father. I don't know anything about the case they are talking about I am just stating a fact.
He probably hit his child as Peterson suggested in 12 Rules For Life. “For the child who is pushing the limits in a spectacularly inspired way, a swat across the backside can indicate requisite seriousness on the part of the responsible adult.” Goodbye parental rights.
What you stated is known in the business as an opinion, not a fact.
@@BillieVossI would love for him to see this , and sue you for a disgusting slur on him.
@@steve10 - Sue for what? It's not defamatory if it's true. Jordan Peterson gives that advice in 12 Rules For Life. You'd know that if you weren't a fake Peterson fan.
i know the quote he was going to bring up and it is an interesting one for the discussion. It's how male violence is obvious and is physical and you can all see it. Female violence often comes in the form of character assasination and emotional attacks, it can be extremely damaging and much harder to prove. Its not even a dr peterson quote neccesarily, its him quoting the psychological studies that have been done on the differences in the sexes.
Absolutely correct. I put Peterson and Tate in the same basket.
do you call everything that doesn't put women on a pedestal misogyny?
@@pneumaticFrequency no.
@@wendysimpson6395 some misandrists barely even cover it up anymore
Is it a basket labelled "People I have never listened to but still hate anyway"?
Absolutely right, the man , last time I heard was refusing to pay to get reacreditied in his "profession"
Are you suggesting that being a psychologist is not a real profession, hence the quote marks?
The advantage of women in family courts can and bo use the system as an emotional leverage against some men imo