what in the fresh hell is THIS, Makita?
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- Опубліковано 15 лют 2024
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Today we test the all new Makita XWT19XVZ. For $400 it had better bring it. Surely it will....rite?
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*We got some clarity on what in the fresh hell this actually is!*
For 1, yes it's made in Japan. When we bought this impact last week, only the XWT19XVZ was available and Makita hadn't announced it yet. Today Makita announced the standard XWT19Z in an email, and it can now be found for $329. The only difference from what we can tell is the aluminum hammer casing won't have the ground cable coming off it like ours does which you can see @ 7:00, and board shielding - the V model can be used around high voltage power lines 'n such. So ignoring the V model, it's basically a pin detent model for the same price, much smaller hammer and less power, and took nearly a decade to come out with it. And also sounds like a death sentence to any hope of an actual new gen coming out if this is the stuff they are working on.
We'll be updating the rank chart with pricing and such, which brings this to 352.1 points and places it... exactly where we put it in this video in the ranking :P
Haha, I love this. Makita's all like don't worry folks, it's not that we took 9-10 years to make a gen 2 and it's worse. We're actually not even working on a gen 2, just putting smaller parts in the impact we made a decade ago and offering it at its higher 2024 $329 price! So we actually didn't make anything new, just made an old tool a bit worse. Glad we could make everyone happy with that news. BTW here's a flyer we're sending out today about the new XWT19Z that says "more power" just to add some confusion in case that was all too easy to follow :D
Looking at their marketing for it, it sounds like they are saying it's for better battery time and better control through their trigger. Not sure if any of that is true, but maybe somebody would want that? 😂
@@speedstrn Yup, something like that. Today's email announcment:
*"MORE POWER AND LONGER RUNTIME"* The new 18v LXT 3-speed 1/2" square drive impact wrench with detent anvil (XWT19) delivers improved fastening control with a makita-built brushless motor offering longer run time
WTF Makita, make hammers larger when you redesign, not smaller
I think this is meant for bridge builders and industrial installation types with torque specs, not high torque automotive.
A search on Makitas site for "high torque" has the XGT and all the previous models come up, but not this one. It being lighter also is well suited to overhead work, like working on gas mains, metal girders, etc.
Makita: Well we didnt SAY it was a high torque. We are just charging you high torque prices for it.
High Torque Prices X1.5 at that.
Some guys are saying "well it's detuned to last longer" or "it's just the pin detent version" which is fair, but then why the $400 sticker? As we say in the video, at $280 it makes more sense if so.
@@TorqueTestChannel "detuned to last longer". I've been seeing that a bunch too. It's an excuse for a bad product; lipstick on a pig. I think it might be time to leave team teal 😢
@@myriad28 Their current high torque has always been known to last a LONG time, so just buy that for less $ and have more power on tap? Or run all your DeWALT and Milwaukee tools in mode 2 to match the $400 worth of power and reliability of a tool being underdriven :P
@@myriad28 Teal is ok, but you are choosing the wrong lineup
I don't buy the detuning theory.
How many tools from our grandparents age still run to spec?
“My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day has been ruined” - I’m dead
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Such a classic review clip, I love that dude
@@Hawk7886 reviewbrah is the treasure we found along the way.
All hail our lord and savior Reviewbrah
@@benscott3603 Sieg he..... oh wait, you mean the other hail ...ok, then ....ehm ...yeah, Reviewbrah is definitely cool
One more reason this channel is so valuable. Loyal Makita fans would probably have picked this up blindly thinking it was great unknowingly. I guess losing the Makita girl really hurt the performance
I would have been one that buys this tool. The packaging shows torque in the 900+ range which would have been good enough for me. Watching this video sours me on the new tools from the brand. I started buying teal in the mid 2000's. I've been very happy and to date, only use makita and a set of M12 drill and impact tools I won at work. I have used many landscaping tools as well as the mechanic tools. Even the portaband. It's all good stuff but obviously being left quickly behind by most any other brand. I read not too long ago that their CEO admitted the brand had been concentrating on 40V and the LXT line had been suffering and he was going to fix that. Welp, it hasn't been fixed yet.
@@Fireballsocal this tool is more for industry that torques to spec, not for full scale automotive. It's also a reason how Makita has a million grinders because not all grinders are alike, and in some cases you need certain features and in other cases you don't. This is not a full send ugga dugga models this is a lighter weight higher rpm model to do massive amounts of nuts when joining together steel plates and girders and such. The advertisement pictures and videos indicate as much.
@@EliotTruelove From the makita website: "Makita-built Brushless Motor delivers 780 ft.lbs. of Fastening and 960 ft.lbs. of Nut-Busting Torque" It's not even close to the listed specs.
@@Fireballsocal read the manual for it and you'll see it achieves the same fastening torque spec numbers as the XWT08 that TTC compares it to in the same or less time.
The instruction manual lists all the models in the same manual as comparison, and the 19 comes in underweight, higher speed, and a 1/4" shorter.
It is 3 seconds for an M30 bolt (1-1/4") to reach it's fastening torque and 2 seconds for an M24 bolt (1") to reach it's fastening torque for both the 08 and the 19. So this model has done it with less power, higher RPMs and lighter weight.
It's not a high torque, but achieves the same real world results necessary for a high torque at the torques that count, and you best believe industrial installs will be checked for torque.
@@EliotTruelovea 10.9 m30 bolt torque is 1383 ft/lbs. based off this video I highly doubt the new makita achieves that in 3 seconds
Channels like this, project farm, and others, are doing the Lords work. How many people got scammed by big brands before the Internet. .
Many more get scammed because of the internet.
As time passes it feels like I have invested in the wrong battery platform. Get it together Makita. Stuff like this is just embarrassing
Same here, the lack of innovation recently is very disappointing, but more than that I just had to send in a grinder for warranty repair and it took three months to get it back Also found another guy on Reddit that it took five months.
@@scottyee707 I fix all my own tools and don't bother with warranty. It's easy work and I turn them faster than sending them off.
I couldn't Agree more. Im a Makita guy and love my tools they have lasted so well, not had any problems unlike my Milwaukee m12 stuff (broken switches and batteries that fall out) but they have really given up on mechanics. I think they are still great for framers and landscapers though.
They are getting lazy because their tools last long. They feel like they don't need to improve them.
I made the choice regarding which brand to invest in about 8 or 9 years ago. It came down to DeWalt vs Makita. Luckily I chose DeWalt because even back then, Makita seemed to be resting on their laurels.
This is actually a really good look for SeeSii and the Chinesium brands.
As a (small) defense of the price: the V in the part number indicates the tool is suitable "For use near high-voltage electrical power lines" Like, really high voltage.
Ahh, good detail there. None of their features, manual or email announcement mention any of this.
Edit: Their email that went out about it today says "more power. More control" nothing about anything else.
Looking inside this thing, the aluminum hammer housing has a ground cable coming of it to the board. That's all from a visual standpoint.
I really hope this is true otherwise completely inexcusable.
If that's the case then fire their marketing team if that isn't the case fire their engineering team
Makes sense why they call it a “Utility” impact wrench I suppose.
Looking back through their catalog, past 'V' models mention lineman/utility and in the parts breakdown mention having a motor/controller that is shielded against HV
So I'm pretty sure this is a bit of a gaff on the marketing side of things
When he did the comparison I was expecting it to do something stupid like 2 more ft lbs than the old one.
Over a hundred less is something I would consider switching brands for just for having the gal to put out.
The title wasn’t clickbait. It might even be an under reaction.
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@@Hansengineering Miss Makita is the gal putting them out :P
Arguably much better at her job than the Makita engineers. Damn. @@TorqueTestChannel
Looks can be deceiving. Apparently, Miss Makita was actually a very good mechanical engineer. They shouldn’t have gotten rid of her.
People defending it by saying its for durability 😂 just run any other brand on lower power setting and its gonna do the same and still have the performance...
Glad i bought into XGT and not LXT. My xgt tools are extremely tough and are rated IP56
How do they know its 'more durable' anyway? Sounds like copium.
the cope is unreal
@@elliotkane4443I’ve got both Milwaukee and Makita. While Milwaukee is generally more powerful, Makita definitely is more durable especially their batteries.
@@elliotkane4443 because Mikita tools last longer, a lot longer.
Im a makita guy, but wth makita? First they come out with the xph16 drill and now with this, both are only slightly smaller but weaker. We all need an explanation from Makita on what is their plan in all of this.
they must have DEI
@@farvatron LOL , but I dont think thats an issue with Asians. White people created this problem .
I really think they prefer wood working, drill/drivers and lawn care
She's a real heartbreaker.
I've been waiting like 10 years for an 18v cordless framing nailer.
They finally just came out with one and it's so far only available in 21°. Haven't been able to find any info on a possible 30° release.
To anyone not familiar, that means while occasionally code complaint, they "flag" nails, which means a chunk of the magazine belting becomes lodged under the head of the nail.( the nails in a 21° are plastic colleted/belted)
They blast your face with plastic bits & the angle of the magazine not only holds less nails due to their full round head (as opposed to a clipped head on a 30° allowing the nails to fit more closely together, allowing more nails per inch & without plastic belting) ...but the angle is significantly more obtrusive & more difficult to fit in odd/tight spaces, which is often the case use for a cordless nailer.
Bigtime butthurt.
they got microwaves on their minds recently tbh
Looking over at my gen 1 Hercules ultra torque I just bought the other week for $102 while watching this video, what a weird world we live in.
As a makita fanboy I endorse this message :(
Me looking at my Ryobi high torque I paid 150 bucks for with battery/charger before Christmas. I'm literally afraid to use it because I'm used to their impact that had just enough beans for axle nuts on my 4runner, and really don't want to break any bolts.
I have the same gen 1 high torque and got it with a 12AH battery and have charged it once in 2 years. It's quite amazing, people I work with never heard of Hercules but were impressed with it lol
I get it mate, I'm a massive Makita fan, all my power tools are Makita. But I don't understand waiting 10 years to decrease the quality!
Was the quality decreased though? The performance definitely decreased though.
Yes that's a good point
Oversized spring, larger gears and small hammer mass may actually make this an insanely reliable and long living tool, rather than going for top performance
@@AlexKallto be honest though, the quality is irrelevant if it can't do the job.
@@danielvanced5526 it can't do it's job? Its job is screw and unscrew things, which it does.
Looks like the bean counters got control of Makita.
TTC is out here counting the only beans that matter
Always found Makita tools to be well made and refined. This one is a headscratcher.
angle grinders are cheap and freaking GOOD. I dropped mine countless times, hammering the guard back and it still runs true.
This models not a high torque for automotive, they haven't even advertised it as such and it doesn't come up on the website when searching for high torque. This is for torque to spec industrial installation purposes like bridge building, metal girder, gas mains, etc. the advertising from Makita shows as much.
@@EliotTruelove Makes more sense👍. Still surprising they haven't upgraded their high torque by now.
@@EliotTrueloveThey could’ve still made it have tons of power and given the user the option to turn it down if necessary.
@@EliotTruelove
Still feels disingenuous and a brazen example of misleading marketing. The fact that it's dressed up almost exactly as an older model that IS a high torque, and they didn't make any effort to directly disclose to the customer that it's not a replacement of the older high torque model, is frankly, disgusting.
I like Makita, but come on. You have to admit this isn't OK.
I think this is meant to be used for utility line work... By linesmen. Similar to what Milwaukee has (just not the 7/16 hex version). It's not meant to be the fastest or the most powerful impact. Kinda surprised that it doesn't feature a lanyard ring though. Just throwing my two cents out there.
you absolutely tested the wrong impact. XVZ is always a more expensive SKU and has been around for ages on a few of their other tools. For the exact reason, I'm not sure, compare the insides of an XVZ and there might be a clue. Their idea of a "utlitity" impact might include something with how it functions around highline utility wires, but I'm just speculating at this point as I'm not sure if proximity to high voltage lines causes cordless tools to malfunction or not behave properly.
XWT08XVZ is $400 and has always come at a price premium over the regular 08Z going back well over 5 years. Same as the new XWT19XVZ. XVZ has no place on your charts either way. It's an automotive focused channel and prices would always be for the cheaper and always more available Z only model. You won't find an XVZ SKU impact in a Home Depot, it's essentially a niche special order SKU.
Both the XWT19Z and XWT08Z are currently $330 and the 19Z is not marketed as a "utility" impact. All the XWT19 really is is a pin detent version of the old XWT08. Of course it's still bizarre that it came so late and the hammer is so small. Pin detent high torques are usually tuned lower otherwise you end up with anvil failures like the Dewalt 899 pin detent version would have. But this seems like it's tuned down way too much to the point they were just too lazy to properly dial things in.
I'm sure there's a cut down XGT coming. But it's a bad look having a pin detent XWT08 finally come out all these years later and then dropping it ahead of whatever else would be a true upgrade to the OG.
But to be brutally honest, it's also a bad look for your channel that you're doing a bunch of punditry while comparing the wrong model wrenches. This has been a big issue with AVE in the past and PF has made similar mistakes as well. But at least PF doesn't do so much with the punditry side of things so I think it's still more than fair to call you out on that. Would like to see this corrected, but it probably doesn't matter at this point with all the people on the internet who wouldn't give anything like this a 2nd chance to understand it better.
Makita is really weird and they're definitely shooting themselves in the foot with the way this will play out either way. XWT08 needed an update, bad, XGT can be cut down for a new 1/2" 18V model and they just now give the XWT08 a pin detent alternative after 9 years. Beyond bizarre.
When I was a structural welder I bought an 8# short sledge. I wanted something that could fit in my toolbox but that could do a lot of work quickly. And it did. I could swing it just well enough even one handed that instead of beating on a brace for 10 minutes like the guys with 3#s, I was done usually after one good hit. I think my shoulder was probably a lot less sore swinging a big hammer 10 times a night than a smaller one a couple hundred.
I think the idea of derating it for durability is a logical thing to think, but for a tool like this I really don't think it would work.
Edit: spelling
I completely forgot about the Ms. Makita calendars and posters. What a time to be alive that was.
she isnt much to look at
@@bradhaines3142that's beside the point, since it solely demonstrates the difference between your (well, mine as well) personal preference and that of whoever hired her
@@bradhaines3142the hell you say!
As a woodworker, I usually love makita for making tools that just plain work and don't die like the other brands. Fucking milwaukee with their "well it makes more power and then sets itself on fire in the process half a year in and when it does you can't replace any of the parts, assemblies more expensive than the tool only". Of course none of that reliability matters if the tool doesn't have enough power to actually get the work done, which in woodworking thankfully is rarely an issue. Sad to see a tool this underpowered, though I will be interested to see if at least it has a much longer service life. Then again I don't even know if these tools behave similarly to the ones I use in milwaukee being 2 years life max, dewault maybe 3, makita lasting... I don't know, haven't broken one beyond economical DIY repair yet.
All in all, these numbers are sad, though I would love to see something on reliability. Though that'd be very hard to test. As someone that runs mostly makita I expect reliability over anything else. But even then I expect better power than this come on.
Man I have milwaukee stuff that's been used daily in the worst conditions for years in automotive. Milwaukee stuff lasts a long time
Why would you want to diy repair a tool with a 5 year warranty after 6 months?
if you want to see reliability just get the more powerful XWT08Z and pocket some $140 in the process. I owned that tool for a couple years and never had any issues with it. When I sold it it looked and worked as day one. I moved to another battery platform so the only 2 Makita tools I had at the time had to go. Fun fact that XWT08Z was made in USA, Makita has a factory about 1hr away from Atlanta
Fellow Makita carpenter & I whole heartedly agree.
They've introduced their new 18v framing nailer in 21° with no talk of a 30°.
It's been proven the "full round head" has no bearing on a nails ability to "hold", resist shear or anything else. It's entirely diameter & depth...still codes often require full round head and therefore manufacturers make 21°'s first if not exclusively.
I've patiently waited 10 long years for a cordless makita framer & there's no talk of a 30° release.
That...and the lack of basic xgt tools, no multi tool??
Orbital sander, any sander, jigsaw, cut off tool/mini grinder, only a 23gauge pin nailer?
The only advantage I personally see to that lineup is the 10-1/4" rear handle saw (which absolutely could get by as 18v X2/36v) , a couple larger grinders & sds hammer drills.
Even then, (with the exception of an X2 80v hammerdrill) their their 36v counterparts are only marginally surpassed & often can't justify the price point.
That...and while reliable, it would be nice to see some lxt battery advancement/capacity.
Still love Makita, but some of their descions really leave me scratching my head.
I call bs. People like me are putting Milwaukee thru real work with metal, like automotive & construction trades and you're woodworking? So you aren't even a carpenter. You just make stuff in your garage? What are you even using an impact wrench for?
You guys should test industrial cordless impact drivers and their accuracy - for example, Panasonic and Makita both make some. We use a bunch of the Panasonic guns at work and you program the torque setting with a remote. They’re sweet, but rather expensive and torque accuracy is somewhat unclear.
Reviewbrah cameo was on point. Had me in tears.
This makes Ryobi look like a good value.
This makes Ryobi look like Snap-On from the 60s. REALLY REALLY embarrassing for the teal idiots here.
Makes everything look like good value.
im seriously thinking about ryobi these days. Im impressed with their HP1 line up. Most of my work is on the pro-sumer level stuff when it comes to power tools. they are cheap. plus i get a kick out of being laughed at by the "real men", only to show them ryobi is actually pretty decent these days.
lol I love the football replay drawing when talking about the guts of the hammer. I have been watching the channel long enough to picture what you are describing but the drawing over it made it crystal clear and I am sure its super helpful for newer viewers just diving into the content.
i just saw the thumbnail and had to click
We all down bad 😂
As a makita guy this is just unacceptable.. glad I wasn't going to get a high torque pretty sure the mid torque 1/2 I use makes more power then this .. this could be their way of pushing people to go xgt maybe
Neuron Activation
@@Jihadbearzwithgunz thats why I never purchased a high torque in the first place. I always thought it looked bulky and heavy , plus my mid toque is just enough for me. Was hoping makita would release a more compact and slick version as with their drivers, but it looks like I wont be buying it any time soon.
You like big boobas dont you?
The tools and stuff Channel just give you guys a great shout out about the rankings for impact wrenches. To see channels, collaborating, and recognizing each other for the contributions they bring
Man, you and project farm are the best tools channels in YT.
Thank you for the quality content. ❤
Project farm is and always has been a complete joke
Need to try and see if you can put the hammer out of the old into the new or maybe even put the new motor in the old impact whichever would be easier.
Yeah, as soon as they started doing a tear-down and comparison, I wondered about seeing if doing a Franken-hybrid of old and new might result in something better. Maybe that's a future video.
A dark day for Team Teal.
Come to the darkside my brother join us at Team black and yellow.
First it's black and yellow... Then it's a rainbow and your pronouns are in you bio.
Come to the Red cult... I mean club ... It's a club, definitely not a cult.
@@johnthumble5154remember we moved the cult I mean club meeting to Thursdays instead of Wednesdays
Teal team 6?
@@lamarzimmermanmennonitefar5269 Teal Team Deep Sixed
The fact that an imitation chinese makita impact has more beans than the original one
I bought my first ever yellow tool strictly because of your video you did on the DCF 900. I had a gen 1 Milwaukee half inch and I was very impressed by it until the first time I had to bust the lug nuts off my truck with that DCF 900. It hit the hammers literally once and spun them right off. It's been over a year now and I and personally responsible for at least another dozen of those DCF 900s being purchased by friends and co-workers. Because anytime somebody can't get a nut off the DCF 900 has been able to do it. I had to get the 7/8 bolts out of my excavator bucket and my buddy's air powered earthquake could not do it even with the inertia socket. DCF 900 did it in less than 3 seconds. I've actually damaged some impact sockets with the DCF 900 so I really don't know how anybody could top that.
Wow, that was unexpected. I love the Makita poster. I have one almost identical from when I met Ally in Augusta, GA. The funny thing is I shared this poster in an Makita saw video I did about a year ago (also used almost identical type thumbnail as yours) and I had an older lady viewer get mad and commented that she unsubscribed,
Oh well....
I guess we just have to pretend the past didn't exist to make everyone not be offended sometimes. Hey thrifty, working on a video in the next few weeks that will feature your battery. Thanks again mate!
@@TorqueTestChannel Awesome! Thanks so much for keeping me in the loop on that and thankful for all you guys do!
Good riddance
0:47 Reminds me of that song 'Satisfaction' by Benny Benassi.
Best part of Makita review is 00:50-01:05
i don't work with any tools like this, my only vague experience with them being helping my dad with stuff, but your video is incredibly well paced, very informative, and highly entertaining!
I love that you put things in metric. You at least are being considerate. Thanks 😊👍🇦🇷
Makita seems to have the Japanese and Asian market in a firm grip. They don't care about anywhere else. Would be interesting to see what their made in Japan exclusively for sale in Japan "high" torque can do. AvE has shown us that Japanese market Makita is more sqookum.
That's a myth. AvE and PF both did "Japan vs China", but in both cases they were wrong because they were testing newer version vs older version (TD172 vs TD171). This happened because the US gets tools 6-24 months later than Japan. Makita tools have identical components no matter where they are made.
Not so shocking news, AVE is full of shit.
@@toolscientist Yup, that is correct. Out of curiosity I took apart my 172 which is made in China and it is identical to the Japanese made one AVE had a look at. No difference.
Out of curiosity, where does the high torque actually help? I ask as the higher torque Dewalt and Milwaukee I've used usually twist or snap off bolts rather than loosen or tighten them, regardless of grade or application. Recently with some frame bolts, the older corded impact would get them to a point then would quit turning them. Borrowing a Milwaukee snapped them off. Putting a pipe on a breaker bar, on the other hand, did get the other ones out without breaking them.
So, what application is the high torque numbers useful in, aside from sales?
exactly my opinion. modern impacts are impractically powerful. I prefer my very old pneumatic because of the feedback or gives. the modern electric high torque are so uncontrollable and useless for tightening.
I LOVE your channel. Keep up the good work.
i love my XWT08, i have barely spent any time using it since it works so well
Ok, so, two Amazon cordless tool brands have batteries that interchange with Makita LXT batteries. The EWorks and SeeSii.
That's good to know. ..... edit: Aoben tools can also use Makita LXT batteries.
Half the tools on Ali use them, and Amazon "Noname brands" are basically just rebranded Ali tools
On UK Amazon there's a brand called Katsu, which make tools compatible with the LXT batteries. They're not that bad actually.
can you swap the heads from the old to the new?
Your channel has been so helpful! Generally speaking, do you wear hearing protection when making your videos? They don’t seem that loud to me but maybe that’s because I’ve already lost some of my hearing! 😂
I loved the look inside of the rotary hammer. I wonder how it compares to just a normal drill with a hammer feature. Would be interesting to see the differences in them.
Bring back Miss Makita!!
Wow, I really didn’t expect that either. I think you’re right when saying they might be abandoning the automotive and other industrial areas. It seems like they are focusing on wood working only now.
Which i think is fine. I personally have a great love of many of their wood working tools and impact drivers in personal use. But then dont flip the middle finger at people working on bolts with new a $400 weak sauce impact after 10 years of nothing :/
Well, they have been lacking in that department as well, Brad nailer is ancient and bulky, router is like 10-year-old design.. yea it was the first on the market but hasn't been updated since, and the 40v version of it is the exact same. Sanders havent been updated in years too, I haven't seen them do anything special except for impacts and the 40V stuff is basically just slightly better 18V stuff with much higher prices. They have been making a lot of outdoor power equipment and camping gear that I dont need or want...
@@scottyee707 but what about the microwave!?! Surely that is a must buy /S
@@barrylinkiewich9688 😂
From the video clip from 10 years ago it looks like you slimmed down quite a bit. Congrats mate!
Sidebar here, when are we going to get a TTC/Project Farm crossover? You two by far are the go-to channels on youtube when it comes to getting the hard truth on products out there, and despite the difference of the in front of camera and behind camera production style, I for one think it would be sweet to see a crossover video
So much for being in the top 3 cordless tool brands...
Ketchup and mustard, you can't go wrong.
Until they break 3 months into the job and again at 8 months. Team teal for ergonomics and team teal for tools that last. Go ahead and over torque your bolts, while your hotdog is on fire and smoking out.
@@thorinbane I switched from team Teal because they aren't as good as they once were. Teal's drills don't last long at all, My Mustard drill has been kicking for 5 years and all the other mustard-colored tools for some time without issues. My coworker uses mostly ketchup and he's not had any issues either.
@@John-771 For me its been the opposite. I burned out 2 impacts and had a drill in for repairs twice...XR no less. Work has about a dozen mustard drill and impacts and we replace a couple a year. Fuel seems to fair a bit better, mostly in the hands of electricians instead of milwrights, but brushless non fuel mil have been junk, worse than midgrade brushless dewalt. Ergonomics wise I have smaller hands and I'm not a young guy, nore a 600 lb gorilla type. Makita feels better in my hands, though guys with huge hands tend to find those small quality of life enhancements for me a bit tight for them.
I have shown a LOT of people how much nicer my makita is compared to my XR for low vibration, well placed switch and hand position on the impacts/ drills. The 18 volt impact hit harder than dewalt in real world application. Tightening m12 bolts that require 100 ft lbs. Neither can do it, but the dewalt XR comes up shorter in our shop on a 5 AH battery. Only by 5 Ft lbs. I do like the variable speed on it, but plan on getting teal impact wrench 3/8 or 1/2 with var speed next time. The brushless makita I have is just variable trigger pull and maxes out on our M10 screws at 60 Ft lbs. Same for XR 1/4 driver impact. We don't keep smashing it for 10 seconds because time is money. MAYBE the XR can keep hammering it past the makita, but pull for pull it falls a bit short without hearing it hammer for an extending period.
I tired my dads Milwaukee fuels, decent ergo, but honestly all the tools from the big 3 have this feel of skimping out. None of them are like they once were. My dad still has his 14.4 volt tools, 19.2 craftsman, and his 18 volt dewalts. He bought a converter to work with the new 20 max batteries. I had my 9.2(I think) volt makita drill and reciprocating set till the movers "lost" it in our last move. None of these companies are making pro grade tools anymore, prosumer with expensive price tags, yes, pro level tools that don't need fixes on the regular, not so much. I had ridged for a time, but honestly for all the hype gen 4 was great for a home gamer, but I smoked out 3 fuegos drills, a brushless twice and a brushless impact once. The brushless circular saw and grinder, while not bad at all, came up far short once I could afford an XR 71/4 circ daw from dewalt. Sold off all my ridged, bought dewalt.
Sorry for the length on this. I like my dewalt at home, but for all day at work Makita puts less wear on my joints. It would be helpful if you could just pull the trigger at home depot(Rona, I think owned by lowes now, does it in Canada...sometimes) So you could feel the tool operate before purchase in direct contrast to other brands. Not sure if the US Makita under X instead D models internationally are any different. Might be a factor too??? But if you use your 1/4 impact and you can find a brushless makita 1/4 impact, compare them directly. Dewalt rattles like a bunch of bones in a garbage can. To me that is vibration and loose tolerance that is slowly doing damage inside and why they dont last as long under our shop conditions. My Makita are about 5 years old now and have been great so far (knock on wood). Of course YMMV on a different work site/conditions.
The utility is a class used for lineman. The impact on the poster is a lineman’s impact it has a 7/16 quick chuck. We use them to bore poles with wood auger bits and to tighten bolt as up to 2”. I prefer the Milwaukee my self but the inverter owned utility I work for loved the Mikita.
Well maybe they should at least mention it somewhere on the package.
Hey, could you test the Bosch gds 18v-1050 3/4 impact or is it basicly just the same as the half inch one?
I am devastated by this video. Makita😢 My 1st Gen SeeSii just removed my Grand Prix harmonic balancer bolt and meanwhile Makita is putting $400 “Utility” models on the street. 😂
This new Makita is like buying a loaf of stale bread.Well I won’t be replacing my Earthquake impact for this. I knew buying the Earthquake it didn’t meet the specifications. Plus I have a battery,charger and a case for it all. Plus room to throw in some deep impact sockets.
Thank you so much for making videos like this and saving many people so much time and money 👍🏻👨🏻🔧🤠
I was a stead-fast Makita guy for many years, but my 10-20 year old Makita tools are not being replaced with new Makita tools. I've made the switch to Milwaukee. Just bought the new Milwaukee Gen 3 impact and am loving it....yet to find a lug nut that it won't spin.
Mr. Buddy In The Comments That I Just Made Up is such a troll.
Right? the WORST
1:43 had me laughing out load. nice.
Have you done a video of 1/2 corded impact wrench comparisons? Like the sub-$100 market comparisons like Craftsman, Chicago Electrici, Bauer, Porter Cable, etc.
Have the HARBOR FREIGHT BAUER HIGH TQ and for what you pay it's a great IMPACT WRENCH
Proof positive that I am-as I suspected-still asleep, and merely amid an abnormally persistent nightmare.
Real as fuck man...
100% not to defend them, but I do think there is something more to this. Going by the higher price and the strange, specific naming, I really think this was developed primarily for some kind of corporate purchasing/gov contract thing. Like it was developed for PG&E to be strong enough to get stuff open, but not so strong that it obliterates bolts when the dumbass using it decides it would be quicker just to lean into it when putting the decades-old transformer box back together. Makita just made the dumb decision to sell it mass-market, too, not realizing that literally no one else would want this and it just damages their brand.
But that's just a theory.
A Tool Theory.
Keep Bustin' Knuckles.
Does the Old hammer assembly fit in the new Body? It all makes me wonder if the new motor would work well with the old hammer...
I love the gold & white ref from the dungeons of the old internet! I mean, old of the modern internet.
some engineer needs to be fired...WTH...it may say utility model but what homeowner is going to spend 400 bucks for an impact wrench....if it had more ass to it, mechanics don't mind paying for it but with these numbers, no way!!!1
So some other guy in the comments mentioned this, but it may be a case of that this is actually a "utility" tool, since the 'V' in the part number means it's rated for use around high voltage equipment
Did some digging and while none of the documentation explicitly mentions it, all the past 'v' tools mention running a shielded motor for high voltage environments
So I think this is a case of ttc accidentally bought a lineman tool due to poor marketing on makita's part
It doesn't excuse them not innovating, but at least explains the cost bump for essentially the same tool
Makita quickly turning into Nahkita.
👏👏
Milwaukee next. Decade ass 18v dinosaur platform lol.
@@user-hm6mx3nq2jlol bros jealous Because he bought shitkita 😂it's ok little buddy we all make poor life choices sometimes, you just have to make sure you learn from them.
Just buy red next time and you won't have to cry so hard.
Mehkita?😅
I was considering ditching my 4 Milwaukee high torque impacts and switch to Makita 3/4 XGT 40V once for all, but the 40V battery price and the bottom battery rubber mechanism issue kinda set me back. Milwaukee really is a good balance between overall design and tool price, the M18 battery platform is also not so cheap and not so expensive. Most importantly, they keep refined their tools and come up with newer models at fair price.
Would it be possible to test the Einhell Impaxxo 18/400?
As DankPods says, ‘A whole new nug’
A fellow dankpods fan, wouldn't have guessed to find one here!
Some years ago, I saw a Makita generator. The pull cord was located BETWEEN engine and generator. No kidding. Replacing a cord on the recoil start required separating engine and generator. That shop stopped selling Makita years ago.
Geez. The pull cord is practically a consumable item. 🚮
Watching the start of the video all I could think of was the music video for Satisfaction by Benny Bennassi 😅
Would love to see Rodacs impacts tested! Drills too! If you haven’t already they have a new 21V impact that looks interesting
Man am I underwhelmed... I came for a fight and just witnessed a wollopping
I believe the specs are low because of the pin detent anvil. Its literally hollow inside to make space for the ball. Milwaukee also has the gen 3 in pin detent form (2966-20) and its only rated at 1100ft-lbs vs 1500/1600 for the hog ring. Very obviously limited in performance to not shatter the anvil i think.
Can only hope this is part of a whole product line update, with the old tool's components getting reused for this, and there being some other new models that can bring the beans
Would you consider testing the next step in performance for grinders? Like Dewalt DCG418, Bosch 18v-15, and others.
Gold & White 🤣🤣
That Miss Makita campaign didn’t age well. I just hope Makita makes a small compact 3/8” impact for tight spaces.
You clearly did not grow up with the Ridgid Tools calendars.
@@Hansengineeringor snapon, Mac, Autolite and any other brand found in a shop
Rigids batt is too big. AlwYs has been for the stubby
@@jecrpalier You ALSO clearly did not grow up with the Ridgid tools calendar, as your comment about batteries is utterly irrelevant.
They supply a 3/8" adapter with this dog, the output should be just enough to work... 🙄
Great video. If I would have started from scratch, I would be a DeWalt guy. I purchased the only socket driver at the time made by Milwaulkee. Now, all of my tools are red. Milwaukee high torque drivers don't last as long as DeWalt in my shop and have better customer service.
still so happy with my DCF900, got it as an upgrade from an earthquake from HF. was able to get my honda pully loose in seconds after months of trying everything.
*Congratulations. Even with a high-mass inertia socket I was doomed until I bought the DCF900.*
Ohhh the video also has tool testing, that's neat!
I started 😂 irl somewhere before the 3:30 mark.
Oh man, are you sure you didn’t get a busted tool?!
Only if by accident Makita forgot to add the other half of the anvil.
With that weak anvil, probably not
Im curious to see drop testing maybe from power pole height or what kind of electric shock it can take before just becoming a paper weight
Hi you should look at testing the Ework RB-810 model claiming 950 NM or torque! it would be interesting to see how it compares to Makita's XWT17Z mid torque which is claiming similar specs
while both of these models use compatible batteries.
I miss miss Makita...
I love Makita. I like the fact that they aren't constantly rep,acing their products. I've had makita cordless tools, some of which are over 20 years old. None of them have ever failed me. Not once. Not even a broken charger or dead battery. Just because they dont have names like EXTREME, doesn't mean they aren't very good tools. The makita will outlast the Milwaukee by a mile. Personally I don't work on heavy equipment or anything that would need max torque. Even after watching this video I would still purchase the makita.
A test I would love to see is longevity.
Just how long will it last as a tool?
I've always been team blue because of the longevity and how easy Makita is to maintain/repair, at least compared to Millbreaky.
I was wondering, wouldn't the area under the curve be a good indicator of an impact's abiltiy to quickly tighten a nut? Just wondering, love the channel.
Area under the curve math is harder than is sounds we've found :P
Been using a lot of Milwaukee recently and man those things just rip. I only use Makita privately and a high torque would have come in handy so many times lately.
That thing would have been perfect, but this performance at that price is honestly just laughable. What a joke Makita. I seriously consider going red for my next purchases.
I find team red by far the best
Meeeee tooooo
That small hammer might be why Miss Makita left him.
😂
Hi could you test the Milwaukee 7/16 impact? I think it has some value of being a dual purpose mid torque, able to be used as a high power impact driver (its used by linemen) and with a 7/16 to 1/2 adaptor (made by proto) a mid torque. All this with a quick connect collet...
Can cant use the hammer assembly from makitas old impact on this one and see if the heavier hammer helps?
I wonder if they aren't using the term "utility impact" to signal a shift from emphasizing peak power, which at this level is seldom used, and instead focusing on longevity and practical reliability. Typical impact guns used in a shop are done after about 2 years. Could they be thinking anyone will notice if their models last significantly longer? If so they do not know the markets these days. Two things drive tool sales: rated power and price. Consumers are pretty foolish when they ignore longevity and reliability, but time and time again consumers have proven they will buy a turd on sale over a diamond at list price.
From watching tool repair videos by Dean Doherty, I get the impression that people by Makita for long life and reparability.
Yep
My 18v XWT08Z can still snap lug studs if you don't know what you're doing.
Do you guys get any Hikoki green tools, previously known as Hitachi? Would be great to see you test some of their stuff against the other big brands...
BRING BACK MISS MAKITA..!!! I can not be the only one who wants to see a beautiful woman wearing women's clothing 😅.
You were hoping for the wristbreaker pro.
You got the wristbreaker mini.
Hi, du you think the Metabo LXT 1450 BL is worth it? Gotta need around 1000Nm for the stuff i do and didn‘t wanna go for the 1700 but the 800 i don’t think is enough. Found it at a discount with 2 8 mAh Akku pacs and charging station for 590€ I want a reliable tool that can pack a punch and will reliably do its Job. Would love to hear your Opinion since I didn’t find a review from you for this one.
Wondering if you’ve seen the new ingersol Rand 8171 series of impacts. Would love to see the tests on that, claims are 2,000 ft lbs.