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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Peter Thiel has made no secret of his feelings about economic and cultural issues. Hear him discuss his vision for the future, his bets on AI and digital currencies, his thoughts on the state of America - and why he’s staying out of the 2024 U.S. presidential election (for now). Andrew Ross Sorkin speaks with Peter Thiel.
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Very rare to get a Peter Thiel interview these days, thank you for getting him on and thank you Andrew for doing a great job with the questions!
Chapters (Powered by ChapterMe and @danecjensen) -
00:00 - Legendary Silicon Valley investor Peter Thiel discusses extraordinary track record
01:30 - Zerotoone founders lead successful companies
05:05 - Power and stagnation in developed countries
06:29 - Sam Altmans OpenAI program is anchored by ideas, not people
07:41 - Sam Altmans influence on Open AI
11:31 - Investor bullish on AIs importance, wickedly difficult 1999 investments
14:21 - Multitrillion dollar monopoly for Nvidia
15:49 - Elon Musks comments on Open AIs nonprofit status
17:48 - Silicon Valleys unhinged, selfhating culture led to exodus
20:19 - Deep corruption, mismanagement, crazy leftwing ideology in California
22:34 - Silicon Valley shifting from progressive to conservative politics
26:43 - Googles monopoly under regulatory pressure
28:38 - Environmentalists trust Googles ethics
29:37 - Author I Will
33:48 - AI monopoly, competition, and value
36:07 - Bitcoins enemies Warren Buffett, Jamie Dimon, Larry Fink
38:49 - ETF advice surprised me
40:02 - Elon Musks SpaceX and Tesla investments
43:13 - Tesla shareholders overwhelmingly backed Elons compensation package
45:14 - Elon Musks Twitter Important, Hard Tradeoffs
46:57 - Investing in Trump campaign, Facebook criticism
51:54 - Former President George W Bush says hell vote for Trump
52:32 - Predicting Trumps victory over Biden Hate factories
57:01 - 2016 promises, polarization, uncertainty, democracy, rule of law
57:47 - Stagnation, polarization, Trumps tone
01:00:01 - Paulson explains why he switched support to Trump
++ i checked, this is precise, much thx hermano
Thank you. This comment should be pinned
It is always a pleasure and very educational to listen to Peter Thiel. Thank you for this conversation! 🙏
Always great to hear Thiel. Pity is in this sewer.
Love seeing a new Peter Thiel interview
When I see an new UA-cam vid with Peter Thiel, I click "watch."
There's no "watch" button or icon though
I click “detonate”
Yupp ❤
@@deenzmartin6695the play button 🤦 durrr durr
Peter Thiel is very reluctant to give his personal opinion and that is actually quite smart. He has more to lose than gain my revealing too much. Legally as an investor and also in terms of influence. I also think as most highly intelligent people understand there are multiple sides and perspectives on any issue and you simply must see any argument from all sides to fully understand it. Intelligent people are aware of how much they dont know and idiots think they know everything.
Love to hear Peter’s thoughts on these subjects. Many cypherpunks and crypto anarchists have now moved onto memecoins, but maybe that’s outside Peter’s wheelhouse
Thiel is definitely one of the smartest people I known, I absolutely admire his road to where he is now and also some of his ideas, especially the ones in the book "Zero to One" but, he sounds very confused, sounds like he got betrayed in different areas of his life and now he is anxious. Nevertheless, I hope all the best to him and I also hope he can continue supporting new projects and ideas that can help with the improvement in the United States, which I do believe is not in a good shape compared with 30 years ago.
Great session
Any Somalis watching this gem of a man?
The kids screen time is truly shocking these people hate us
Hello, so what does IDEAS FESTIVAL do?
It's mostly BS. Occasionally someone of substance will do it to see if they can access the TED audience without the shame of going to TED.
Does anyone know, which model of ASICS shoes is Peter wearing? Thx
Gt-2000 7
@@goon8000 Thanks：）
such a great interview from the anchor - many of them are tricky and controversial, but that's what it makes the interview stand out
yup he didnt shy away from asking some pretty tough questions but without a mean spiritedness.
Peter's sense of humor is good in this one.
😂😂😂 Great interview btw.
Cool ideas bro
Interviewer was obnoxious but Peter was super interesting and insightful as usual.
IN KARP I TRUST 🥳🥳✌️✌️✌️
i thought that thiel is smth more. Crispy open ended questions from host, well done.
once again .... infinity he only did HIMSELF A FAVOR THAT WAY ...NOT THE COMPANY.... NOT THE SHAR HOLDERS (NONE)
10:39 ❤🎉
Limitless USA Government contracts $$$$ trillions for NSA data bases and USA military forces databases contracts.
What I heard seemed to be a lot of equivocation. Not that I think Peter is trying to conceal or misdirect, but that he just isn't sure.
very diplomatic on a lot of topics lol
I think his brain is a storm…..like Elons👍
that's how they found each other... brains oscillate
Rainmen with no heart, humanity, or true generosity.
It's remarkable how open he is to changing his mind - like on Bitcoin or Trump - and to admitting he was wrong.
That’s not remarkable that just what PR looks like today.
@@doodlebroSHwrong
Do not interrupt your guest please
6:00 why giving creative people latitude will encourage prosperity, and increased wealth creation society-wide
21:50 why California specifically SF is structured similar to Saudi Arabia
Honestly it''s not really about Peter Thiel, Andrew is such an interviewer. I don't know why these organizers pair people like Brian Chesky and Sam with that guy, very dry.
49:03. its not anti-tech. it is anti-"their algorithm" which promotes nudity among other things
Cant wait for the day Andrew leaves CNBC to start his own podcast. Hes grown out of his role at CNBC hes bigger than them.
His ego has grown. Yea, there aren’t nearly enough podcasts lol😂
@@mikerusso7095 lotta shit podcasts. Only handful of ones worth watching
I think he needs the cnbc platform, solo, although i like him i feel wont be the same, kinda like Don Lemon, hard for mainstream to go solo, true soloist can make it big podcasting, (not a don lemon fan btw but anal is the same
First time hearing this guy speak. Either his voice sounds like mark Zuckerberg or it’s vice versa. Weird!
He sure does sweat a lot.
DEI and meritocracy are both wrong... How am I ever going to make this make sense to everyone?
47:36 47:39 47:45 47:59 48:01 48:04 oof. 48:13
Sorkin sucks. interrupting at the end.
the heck is going on with Peter's speech here?! used to speak steadier before
Elon too. Neither one will really spend time on perfecting a speech if you are billionaire who works 19 hours a day. The reason peter thiel speaks broken english is because he thinks about the answer while hes talking, and hes a top 1% mathematician and philosopher, so add in the savaunt, add in him trying to decide what to say. Hes not hesitant because hes trying to figure out how to say his next point, hes trying to decide what his next point is, then he runs it through his philosophy knowledge bank to see if it makes sense, and then he finds a way to turn the concept into English.
@@davidanalyst671lol
@@davidanalyst671how do you know that?
Sorkin is such a toad.
He's better than most of his pals at Bloomberg though
Why does Peter need to have answers to every thing? He should stick to investing and that is it. He is completely out of his depths with political observations. Just because he is good at investing in tech companies does not entitle him to omni-wisdom!!
Andrew got to improve dressing, what a clownish look he have.
That’s your takeaway from all this? What clothes they’re wearing? Don’t you think you might be missing something
Anyone who decries that "competition is for losers" which is what he espoused in his book, "Zero to One" is not an American in my opinion. I don't care how incisive his analysis appears to be, he has some very malevolent ideas. I think he's dangerous, and should not be trusted. Each and every idea this guy exsanguinates needs to be vetted under the light of the anti-competitive comment that underpins his ideological belief system. If you don't effectively compete, what remains - some form of authoritarian decision-making process? Just because this clown is rich doesn't make him a moral authority or even correct in his thought process.
He's a master thief. He's also a long suffering, long range planner and master strategist. Takes one to know one. Very different goals... He will find his way to the top of any administration and a way to make himself invaluable. He will run your show before you know it's happening, and by then it'll be too late...
This guy always blows is own bubbles and then proceeds to hope right inside, oof.
Rather more hair than I would expect
andrew let the man speak my goodness bro 😂
Andrew is there to ASK questions !!!
there's a time limit
This guy is one of the most insightful guys I have listened to .Very strong intellect and very subtle
good lord, social media has been the absolute worst thing for society. what world to you live in.. sad
While I get Peter’s story on the billion dollar offer from Yahoo, I can’t help but think if the world would be a better/simpler place if FB had not grown into such a behemoth and changed the landscape of media and communication forever.
You wouldn't be watching this without the influence of FB, I don't think. It has its downsides but social media has still improved humanity
Unbelievable that he'd mention Chomsky; unfortunately he didn't learn enough from him.
Lots of "all the other stuff" is because of social media and FB - and FOX. We're addicted. We're fed an algorithm of news and content creating the issues.Thiel would never be able to answer that truthfully. Not possible for him to do so.
No it's upstream of that, it's the victim mentality that causes these problems and you're making a perfect example. The media made the populace acquire learned helplessness on a country scale. A side effect (unintended or probably rather subconsciously intended) is that people become dependent
I think most humans have a weakness for such content. Combined with a victim mentality, you will never break free
The "news" has always been propaganda, sometimes with more, sometimes with less competition. And it isn't only the media that plays the propaganda game. It is also their sources, most of all the most powerful sources.
FB is not fox news and mark Zuckerberg is a very centrist democrats
I don’t know if his assistant will ever read the comments to him. But I would like to send my warmest greetings to Peter from Azerbaijan 🇦🇿 I have learned a great deal from his exceptional thoughts.
Damn...isn't Azerbaijan an Izlamist country?
@@farzana6676 😃 no. It is a secular republic with majority non practicing Muslims. But what does it have to do with me liking Peter? lol
@chesstictacs3107 I was shocked to know that Peter Thiel is known in some obscure Islamist country.
But now I've learnt that Azerbaijan is non practicing.
@@farzana6676 UA-cam comments are always 50% wholesome, like the other guy, and 50% weird, like you
@@dfdf-rj8jr The only time you're seeing weird is when you're looking in the mirror kiddo.
I have a lot that has never been built near San Francisco because of these insane things. I'm leaving California because of this corruption.
California keeps voting for the same politicians over and over 😂😂😂
I have been in the Bay Area since 2000 and though it still is one of the most beautiful areas in the country maybe the world the politics and taxes make it difficult to stay. The straw breaking the proverbial camel’s back is the “no arrest” for theft less than $999. The downtown and Embarcadero are getting a bit better but still a ghost town.
I love listening to Peter Thiel because he's such a candid out of the box thinker that you learn a lot from him.
Peter thiel should be on trumps cabinet
what did you learn?
@@yomajo Dark Enlightenment agenda maybe.
yup love him or hate him.. boy does he think for himself.
His Trump support is dumbfounding
Zirp ended, theil is back in tech fleece. That means he is working again. And he is working hard.
lol
By "YouSum Live"
00:01:12 Investing in extraordinary individuals is crucial
00:01:45 Founders need tolerance for their unique visions
00:03:29 Extreme personalities can drive significant innovation
00:06:05 Stagnation in society requires new approaches
00:10:28 AI's Turing test achievement is groundbreaking
00:14:49 Nvidia currently dominates the AI hardware market
00:23:05 Silicon Valley's culture is shifting politically
00:24:14 Wokeness in tech companies has gone too far
00:25:08 Merit-based hiring is becoming a priority
00:48:01 Social media's impact on youth is concerning
00:50:01 TikTok poses potential national security risks
00:56:08 Trump's pessimistic slogan reflects societal decline
00:57:26 Polarization is a growing issue in America
01:00:43 AI may not solve the budget deficit
By "YouSum Live"
The comments section here, reminds me of what they call, the Stockholm Syndrome.
Poison & enslave me harder, Baby!
I FULLY AGREE WITH THE BITCOIN TALK
Peter has this ability to crunch the most complex predictions and questions thrown to him into relatable pieces of information backed by historical events!
This is too much information. What a great interview, what a great insight! Peter Thiel....eine Offenbarung.
Credit to Andrew on this one. Nice Qs
00:00 Introduction to Peter Thiel
02:00 The importance of unusual Founders
04:05 Zuckerberg's billion-dollar decision
06:15 Economic stagnation and innovation
07:55 Ideas over personality in leadership
08:04 Discussion on AI and OpenAI
11:25 Historical context of tech investments
13:30 Nvidia's dominance in AI hardware
15:20 Relationships with Sam Altman and Elon Musk
15:50 Elon Musk and Sam Altman's relationship
17:29 Thiel's departure from Silicon Valley
19:29 Political climate in San Francisco
22:15 California's economic management
23:48 Political shift in Silicon Valley
23:38 Perspectives on wokeness in the tech industry
24:50 Alex Wang's merit-based hiring model
26:46 Origins of the DEI movement
28:18 Google's wokeness and monopoly status
30:18 Reflections on monopoly and competition
31:52 Perspectives on big tech companies
34:04 AI market dynamics
36:18 Views on Bitcoin
38:50 Ideological concerns about cryptocurrencies
39:56 Future of SpaceX and personal investments
40:22 Elon Musk's entrepreneurial journey
42:48 SpaceX's business model
44:18 Tesla's compensation package discussion
45:54 Elon Musk's influence on social media
48:04 Impact of social media on youth
48:25 Critique of tech company executives
50:01 Concerns about TikTok
52:06 Thiel's political stance on Trump
54:10 Economic perspectives on recent political climate
55:55 Criticism of political slogans
56:11 Critique of national sentiment
57:03 Issues of stagnation and polarization
58:41 Thiel's personal politics
59:43 Perspectives on LGBT issues
01:00:32 Concerns about national decline
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Andrew Ross Sorkin doesn't have his name in the show notes. It always bugs me when primary participants don't have their names in the show notes.
Elon would benefit from seeing Andrews name more.
Would love to see Peter Thiel and Alex Karp debate and discuss the world and way forward.
I think they have similar views.
@@gregestep5407 they do and don't. According to Alex in multiple interviews back in college they would debate each other fiercely. Although friends they are on opposite ends of the political spectrum. What does unite them,.amongst other things I'm sure, is their united sense of freedom and privacy. Is the stated reason Peter tapped Alex for helping them start Palantir.
Andrew needs to "shut up" and let the guest respond in length. Loves the sound of his own prattle!!
I'm a fan of some of Peter Thiel's work and contributions to the tech industry BUT I didn't find him very upfront and convincing in this interview. Bummer, I was really looking forward to knowing him more.
0:00 Introduction
1:15 Unconventional founders
4:10 Facebook Story
5:10 Tech Stagnation
6:35 Investing in the right people/ideas (Altman, Musk)
7:30 Peter's take on recent AI progress
14:30 Take on Nvidia and chip industry
15:30 Friendship with Elon
What's the point of asking all the controversial questions abd asking the opinion?
Something that mainstream media cannot get rid of ?
Peter is such a refreshing and reasonable voice in the American discourse. He is an exceptional role model for how to converse and contribute. 🔥
Peter is destroying our country for Israel
Great comment 100% agree❤
The guy who plays all sides, supports a wanna be dictator, and hordes massive wealth is your role model? Wtf lol
@@DavidRussellMyou reap what you sow, you dont do anything so you wouldnt understand
He’s slightly hyperbolic at times, engagement farming and openly/publicly insults people. I think he is a great mind though who doesn’t get that end of praise enough.
Sharpest billionaire out there. Had me when he hired Eric Weinstein as CEO 🎉❤
Peter Thiel’s eyes look so tired. When I see him like this I assume he’s been spending long nights trying to dominate the future. 😅
Digital information-based products are fundamentally distinct from material products, and current economic theory has yet to effectively integrate these two categories.
Good interview. Btw, Andrew... what if I told you that there are folks out here more threatened by Biden's past PROVABLE authoritarianism... than by Trumps PROBABLE future authoritarianism.
His head would explode reading and hearing this question 😂😂😂
He a NY duew...so..go figure
Trump’s authoritarianism is only considered probable by media. Trumps ego is such that he wants to be known as a benevolent and loved leader, not one who ruled with an iron fist.
Talks over ideas exactly like what he surely must be: a creative mind always thinking.
I really value Peter's way of seeing the world from interesting perspectives that challenges my own opinions. I wish he would come to be interviewed more often. But *whisper* it can be hard listening to his stuttering and stammering.
No he talks fine
The stock market was great under Trump - but everyone was better off because prices didn’t go up 40%.
at the end of Trump there was a pandemic, so the whole world redistributed wealth (2020-2021) & then THE WHOLE WORLD INFLATED THEIR CURRENCIES, & you blame Biden for inflation?
22:30
"Do you have any Saudi Money in your fund"
"Virtually none"
(Does this mean none or?)
Maybe indirectly some exposure
Virtually none probably means less than 2%. And probably indirectly.
He is a genius. His ability to discuss things and not get flustered is impressive.
what? its the bare minimum
@@RR-et6zp you'd be surprised at how many are not good at this.
Bitcoin talk starts at 35:55 ...you are welcome 😊
oops bitcoin is not going to move up... Sad prediction. Worried why would Peter say this?
@@bloodbathybc bitcoin wont move up at the pace hes been used to. Guys like him have the ability to invest in companies the rest of us dont. For the rest of us, bitcoin will be an excellent investment
time to dump all bitcoin
I wish he’d do more such conversations. Getting to see a softer side of his personality that doesn’t come through well in his lectures even though those are brilliant.
Peter thiel def did a lot of drugs because he aged liek crazy in the last 3 years
Peter and I think very much alike... I'd be curious to know if he sees what I see ... Maybe I've misjudged him? He's very frustrated, but then, so am I...
I think AI will 10x capabilities, increasing the gap between various skills, leading to increasingly tight knit billion dollar startups
Meaningless claim. 10x what capabilities? And how far is a 10x tool from becoming an agent?
no it will make ppl completely codependent
The audible gasp from the audience at 48:50 when Facebook's visibly sweating Angel Investor says that he'll only let his own children use their products an hour a week.
If monopolies weren't involved in hiring, than the internet would be somewhat a good thing, but the moment the internet got involved in hiring and firing (recruiting) it created monopolies..... Indeed, Ziprecruiter..etc etc. So perhaps if we went back to a pre 2008 internet.
Peter Thiel is great as always. but am i the only one annoyed by the anchor? He's so unaware of his shallowness yet so confident with meaningless interruptions. Comercial breaks would be better than wathcing him screaming for attention there like a collapsing pinocchio.
Stagnation leads to polarization in USA 🇺🇸
Why doesn't Peter have eyebrows?
His genetics and heritage, but more surprising is that with his money he'd choose a shirt with a silver metal zipper!
Awful guy with awful intentions and worse ideas
This guys IQ is off the charts. Him, Musk, Sacks, what a group. Why wont All-In get him on the pod?
bro you are making how to make money videos like an absolute grifter. why dont you learn something from them?
Used to be a great British UA-cam channel called The Iconoclast until he was doxxed by the Guardian
Language separates us?? Everything is communicating!! We are not separate!!!!
I love that he is crazy rich, but still wears Asics.
steve jobs used to wear new balance. all these silicon valley folks are basically nerds and hippies. the bullying stopped so they think they are the king of the world.
I have been trying to get funding for my startup! In the present business climate. Searching for mentor and venture capitalist.
Look at what Peter Thiel does not what he says.
I mean this in a good way.
He is massively invested alongside the thesis of the book the sovereign individual. Yet he no longer speaks much about it.
Correct. My guess is he's waiting for some AI profits to materialize to move them back into bitcoin. That or he knows the price will continue to fall before the economics of the halving drive the price up, so he's accumulating now or soon. You don't suddenly lose interest in btc because there are ETFs and Larry Fink is in, he knows Fink just cares about profits and has no interest in even meddling with the ideology of the thing.
You are not on his level intellectually. Bitcoin obsessives are consistently either midwits or scamsters.
@@kreek22 Don't think any of the comments above were obsessive, more so pragmatic. Don't think anyone suggested they're smarter than him either, you're just being an ass for no reason.
surprised by peter thiel's push back and lack of good words for trump,
i reckon things prob have happened in the back where he really does not like trump anymore.
well, there was the issue where trump did way less than he imagined, and was relatively more normal as a president than he would've liked.
Trump wasn't right wing enough for him.
@@SzTz100 Also not effective. Like he said- it's more of a spectacle than any real action. Trump is a showman not an executive
It was a clownshow that ended with lockdown
Thiel didn't expect the deep state to rise out of the deep and attack Trump on the surface, shameless and evil and stupid in its tactics.
Is Andrew wearing bowling shoes?
everyone who uses woke needs to give their definition, if not it comes off as glib.
Woke = radical leftists who view everything through an oppressor/victim narrative. Basically woke = 🤡🤡🤡
I think we can differ from Peter Thiel's ideology in one way or another, but we must acknowledge his voice of reason and the depth of insight that he put on the table first.
The "ums" though 🤦🏼♂️
What's wrong with that?