Intel has used the "50" designation before with a desktop processor that fell in between the 10700 and 10900. Remember the 10850K? It was actually a very good value when it was released.
I still have my 10850k and yes it was a great value at the time. Basically just a low binned 10900k and set 100Mhz lower. My second core is a turd so I optimize around it and it's held up great. That being said from then to even 12th gen the performance has gone up quite a bit with the newer cpu's so I'm not surprised to see that slow down a bit between 13th and 14th gen
@@aarliann I still have two 4790K systems, first one is running for 9 years now. You can OC them to hell and back, but the only problem is, it's still just 4 cores. Still, pretty good for 1080 gaming when paired with a 980ti or 1080ti.
But for PC companies.. they need a yearly "NEW MODEL" to sell to people. Real world difference between a top-end 4-year old CPU and new one is minimal. Less heat, usually. I paid $350 for a used ThinkPad with a 6core intel CPU thats 4 years old. It's about 10~12% slower than the 2022 model which sold for $1800. With the bonus of not using USB-C as a charge port.
@@jsteezy80 With the 10850K, you still get your 4K/60 or 1440/120 at Ultra with Maxed sliders, right? I know i did with my 10900K, and so you do not need to upgrade. It's just a waste of your hard earned money. I run a 5800X3D with a 3090, and i don't need to upgrade. I actually dismantled my 10900K system to go full time with the 5800X3D. No need to upgrade bro. Save your money.
Jay thanks so much for your content! I’ve watched 3 reviews on the 14th gen so far and you are the only one that bothered to mention the motherboard power limit stuff. Great video and great review!
I see no problem here, you pay more for your cpu so you can pay more for your electricity bill while gaining absolutely nothing. What a bargain indeed. haha
>Buys amd >Get's permabanned from gaming People buy intel and nvidia for quality of life and tranquillity. Interesting how the electricity bill doesn't come up when the reviews are about amd gpus.
My theory is that 14th Gen is what Raptor Lake was supposed to be all along. Given that 13th Gen was put out ten months after 12th Gen, I think that was rushed out to compete with the 5800X3D. Then they tried to bargain on Meteor Lake for even more uplift, but since that isn't working out for desktop they put the refresh out as a placeholder until Arrow Lake.
This was all leaked by MLID months ago xd. Not really news.Glad people are still observant though, can't let intel pool the wool over people's eyes just by calling it 14th gen lol.
This 14th refresh is because Meteor Lake flops on desktop and wasn't really ready in time. OEMs are rushing out Phoenix Zen4 laptops. Anyway 12th gen had bugs, the Thread Director stuff wasn't working right and it needed Windows 11 so launched late after the 11th gen debacle. Adding Atom E-cores was already a desperate play brute forcing MT benchmarks with power consumption. Raptor Lake was a refinement on Alder, required to counter Zen4, fixing bugs and adding more Atom cores. Intel are trying to hang on, but Zen5 is starting to leak out now, OEMs are unimpressed by 14th and this means AMD launch a new architecture unopposed until Q4/24.
This is actually good news. The "new gen" at the same msrp will make the "old" 13 gen go down in price, making the 13600 an even better price/performance deal.
Lols, this is such a fanboy response, 13th Gen is still a sucky generation no matter how you picture it, 40% more power for less performance than AMD and at a far higher cost, why would you except that you're a fanboy?
13:36 it feels like you’re in better spirits doing builds, I like how you delivered this review, instructional in addition to review/benchmark. Good comparison to the 7950x too just built a pc with that, no 14th gen for me!
I'm looking to build my first PC in a few months, and honestly i'm hyped for this launch because i'm hoping 13th gen will go down by like, 40 bucks. Appreciate the small things :)
i would have loved to see the 12900k on the comps just to see how much difference the 13 was compared the the 14th increase. do you guys have the i7 14th gen yet?
These guys likely sell their gifted samples (gifted meaning they get to keep those ones) on ebay after a while. Which is theirs to do as they please with, but i mention it just so everyone knows they do NOT need your 'donations' or for you to buy their grift merch to keep them going. Ad-rev is more than enough already.
@@clitmintblud just learned what businesses do And you can buy their merch only if you want to lol, I bought from them and from other youtubers merch and it was pretty good (specifically the kvm switch I bought I just can't remember from who)
@@ExecratedPlaysGaming Businesses do exist to make money. I run 2, and take the occasional home-improvement jobs when they pop up, like fitting bathrooms/kitchens for example. However, business men/women asking for donations, are con-artist grifters. That's my point. They con you with their emotional pleading, then grift off the suckers who bought it.
@@twiistedpanda4781 Oh there's merch (stuff that's helpful and useful and is equal or less than other prices), and then there's grift merch which is overpriced stuff (good or bad) or junk, which is ALWAYS overpriced. You can tell which is which by comparing prices with other like-items on different stores. Like the Linus screwdriver BS, that's pure grift merch. Linus, and all these other big techtubers know, there's plenty of mindless lemming fanboys out there to soak money out of, and so the grift merh does well. Other types of grift merch would be the usual t-shirts, mugs, flasks, waterbottles, posters, keychains.
As someone still rocking a 9th Gen Intel I just watch your videos for info for when I finally upgrade. So glad that I do, thank you Jay. please keep it up.
overclock the 13900KS and you have matched the 14900K or very very close to oc'ing is free (assuming you had a beefy cooler already, as you should for a 13900KS)
@@MrVlodato Sure. But I mean if you're going to buy a 14900K / 13900K / 7950X or something like that, you're more than likely going to pair it with a 7900 XTX or a 4090. The reason I mention the resolution here is because it just seems like a waste of money to get those GPU's and play on anything less than 4K because there are more affordable/sensible purchases that work perfectly well with 1440p or even 1080p - 13600K, 14600K, 7600/7600X or even a 7800X3D for future proofing as it's not crazy expensive compared to a 13600K. The 7700/7700X doesn't really make any sense to me given that it's literally only £50 less than a 7800X3D atm.
My undervolted 13900ks has almost same multicore score as this 14900k. Reckon if I unleash it, remove the negative offset and increase LLC a bit, would beat it without a doubt
Jay I really appreciate the add in the middle of the video instead of the start. We usually have to watch 2 adds before the video even plays and getting slapped with a third is kinda frustrating.
I am excited for this release just because the pricing is so close between 13th and 14th gen and the performance isn't much of an improvement. I'm looking for a Micro Center bundle deal on the 13700k/13900k or 7900X around Black Friday. I sure hope those prices drop a fair bit by then.
Honestly used the 14700k to build my first ever PC, love it so far. When pricing I was seeing practically no price difference between the Generation. Your channel and Linus were the ones that inspired me to finally build a Computer, Thank You ^.^
14K in all bench marks is out performing the 13K by at least 20 FPS, this guy is a trendy pro AMD intel hater, he talked about AMD being a piece of shit basically because it can't handle memory but at the same time promotes AMD. Stick to your 14K it's a superior processor to AMD's trash lately and 13K, don't buy the crap real world talks.
@@figureitoutpunkIntel 13th or 14th gen is just objectively worse than AMD's current gen. If you look at temps and power draw to performance, that is. Intel currently uses ridiculous amounts of power and overheats very fast
@@figureitoutpunkyou don't know how comparisons work, the 14th gen has single percent uplifts, just agree with rest of us that Intel is just giving us a hotter chip for no performance upgrade. The 7800x3d beats every consumer cpu in gaming and 7950x beats every consumer cpu for productivity and efficiency. 14k is superior alright, superior trash.
It is supposed to be refresh, and that is what it is. Jay makes a good point in regards the power profile, most MB manufacturers have automated settings that will make the cpu pull up to 200 watts more than intended, for minimal gains in performance and much higher temperatures. I have seen benchmarks of the 14700k pulling 500 watts for often 3% better performance than what it gets when consuming 250-300. Asus is normally the largest culprit , but msi is starting to do the same.
As frustrating as it might be for us, I can see one argument for calling these 14th gen: Making it obvious, which are their latest CPUs. Given the complexity of the CPU numbering, a simple "-R" for "refresh" or similar changes wouldn't really stand out - as fitting as that might be. As an experiment: Take a look at the Haswell CPU numbers and try to tell at a glance which of those are from the Haswell Refresh.
I am happy with my 7950X running @105w ECO mode, PBO -15, runs cool, My Geekbench6 scores different to yours Jayz - SC =2984, MC.=19,365 - not as quick as Intel but a darn sight lower power draw and heat output - ASUS B650E-E Corsair 64Gb 5600 CAS 40 !
This matters a lot for someone like me who uses a computer all day in a home office. I traded in my color calibrated photo monitors and downgraded to LED panels just to save power and thus much much less heat in my room. Working or gaming in a sauna is no fun.
I can't decide whether to consider this video aging like fine wine or like milk, considering that both these generations (13th gen and 14th gen) are affected by serious silicon degradation.
As a 8th gen user that is seeing the last days of his I5 I think that the slight increase in performance at the same price sounds promising, obviously not what I expected. Maybe I can get a nice deal on 13th gen
I'm on 6th gen. GTX 1070. Getting 60fps on low and some medium for Warhanmer Dark Tide. Good optimized games like Forza Horizon 5 run at 60fps Extreme.
I already buy it... and i think its worth it depends on your situation... i have the 4790k from 10 years ago and its time for an upgrade, initialy i wanted the 13900k but the 14900k is only 49€ or 52$ more in my country (spain) so i think its worth it for me. Cant wait to have my new PC
I finally retired my 9700k to a 13900kf (thanks black Friday deals) and when talking to the sales guy at my local memory express he was like dont bother with 14th gen. It's 100 bucks more and only 5 percent improvement over the 13th gen cpus. Glad I listened.
I'm really happy to hear this because I'm about to build a new PC, upgrading from a 4th Gen i5, so knowing I can save a buck on the 13th gen is pretty awesome.
I've got nowhere near the budget or need for a chip like this, but it's always interesting to see how things are going on the cutting edge of consumer tech. Shame that it's bad advertising, but even small improvements to efficiency and thermals are welcomed. I'll stick to my 7600x for the next few years and see where things are closer to the end of the decade, though XD
Not at a $300 difference in price. This is just Intel trying to respond to AMD who at least has a use case for more cores but only one has the VRAM makes for some problems practically.
14th gen does have one extra: APO. That is only 14th gen and only 14700 and 14900 series. How much that will affect how many games on Windows has to be seen because the hardware side seems to be a bit ahead of the software side. But if it works as advertised fine-tuned scheduling for a particular application can have quite an impact on the performance. But AFAIK the software side is still TBA.
Interesting side note Jay, in a recent ASUS bios update for AMD, they changed PBO to "AI Optimized". I flashed my bios 2 weeks ago, and reran Cinebench r23 just to see how it changed my scores. After it ran, saw a score increase of nearly 2k on my 7700x. I went from mid 18000's to low 20000's
Which mobo? I just looked and see that my X670E-E got BIOS 1709 five days ago, so I'll have to try that. When I built my 7900X rig in February, my initial R23 benchmark was over 29000 (can't recall what BIOS version and the old ones are gone now), but subsequently I'd sometimes be as low as 27000s or low 28000s range depending on which EXPO setting I used. (EXPO I seems fastest for me.) Been on 1602 for two months but before that I had to use 1416 with SoC voltage manually locked at 1.25V cuz 1516 was so unstable that I would only successfully boot one in three or four times, Windows would get corrupted and require a Restore rollback, and it'd even freeze in BIOS. Just awful.
Like Jay say if you don't have the 13th gen then it's okay for the upgrade. Not worth the upgrade from the 13th gen since it only gain a little performance. It's like buying a car. If the new model still using the same motor, it's not really an upgrade. It's just an update.
upgrading from a 9700k to a 14700k next week. I appreciate the honesty, definitely eye opening but the prices are so similar between 13 and 14 gen i may as well get the 'newest' CPU available
So why did Intel not include the AV1 HW encoder and a quad channel Memory access (to already on the module dual channeled DDR5)? This would have given a significant advantage and benefit. I do love my i7-13700h in permanent 65W and nearly the same performance and a much much better iGPU for OpenCL calculations.
That's one of the things I love about Jay , he tells it like it is , gives you the facts so you can make your own mind up about a product . Pity we don't get the same kind of honesty from manufacturers .
I have just purchased a RYZEN 9 5900x to upgrade from my RYZEN 5 3600xt, I also purchased an NZXT Kraken Elite 280 to keep it cool. I am pretty confident that I made a good choice given the poor showing from Intel, and I am not really made of money.
I upgraded to the 5900x a year ago after running my 2600 into the ground😂 and I love it. I’ll upgrade to 8000 series in a couple years probably cause I’m not made of money either
After shelling out the dough for a 13900k and a 4090 all on water. Kind of don't want to upgrade a thing until it's time to upgrade the whole damn thing, Haha
I'm with I7 4 gen (still!) and thinking of a huge upgrade. But keeping in mind Intel is working for the upcoming Meteor Lake for near future, I'll wait for it! It seems the Meteor will bring bigger changes.
Agreed. It's an infinity spinning wheel. The way is define a target setup and stick with it for a couple years. I've decided to upgrade to what's available today. The 2tb ssd (firecuda 530) is on the way.
I recently switched from an i5 4440 to a 12400 and the leap in performance was significant. for a 14th cpu if I upgraded I'd only be gaining a few more e-cores but the price, even more so in the third world, doesn't justify it.
I built my first all new PC in over a decade recently as I got a heck of a deal on a Chinese Erying 12900H(14 core/20 thread laptop CPU on a desktop Micro ATX board that's a beast!!), 32GB of DDR4 RAM, and an AMD RX6650XT 8GB GPU on Manjaro Gnome Linux I can't see myself upgrading anytime soon with what Intel wants for 13th, or 14th gen, and same for AMD, and not much performance benefits, and this is coming from someone in the US making decent money, so it's not just 3rd world feeling the hurt when it comes to tech prices.
@@kocepetkov5730 yeah it's a world of difference. i even got more performance out of my 1050ti with this upgrade. i think its best to wait until next gen to see what intel comes up with.
I think anything like a 5 year or more gap between upgrades would give a significant jump in performance. Certainly for the last decade. Things might slow from now on but who knows. For the average Joe watching UA-cam and buying stuff from Amazon nowadays, pretty much anything will work 😂.
Going from an 8700, the 13th to 14th gen similarity doesn’t bug me as much. Similar to people who get the latest iPhone every year, changes will be pretty inconsequential until you’re jumping at least a few years between upgrades. Been saving since my last build, so price really isn’t the issue here. I’m just picking the one with the most long term support, since it’ll likely be left un-upgraded until my next build in another 5-7 years at least. I doubt the average pc gamer drops several hundred dollars on a new cpu every year. So just get something in your budget that’s either current or a year old and upgrade once the step is substantial or when the old build dies
I still haven't found a personal use case that has made me feel compelled to upgrade my i7-6700 from late 2015. The fact that it isn't "ready for Windows 11" just means it doesn't bug me to "upgrade" to the advertising platform and data harvesting tool masquerading as an operating system that is Win11. I'm migrating to some flavor of Linux when Windows 10 reaches EOL.
I have been running Pop-OS on my old 6700k, I like it a lot more than windows. There is a learning curve with Linux, but I am not going back to Windows. My cooling fans alone run near silent unless I load the system, couldn't ever say that with Windows. Going to see how it all works with my new machine once my last parts arrive and I can build it.
I’d have been on Linux a very long time ago if gaming on it was worth a damn but I’ve been largely disappointed with how much work it takes just even get it “barely playable” in my opinion. And lack of graphics card controls, without a ton of work? I’m good. I’ll just remove everything I don’t need from windows 11 as I’ve done since the start
I might end up dual-booting Windows 11 if any of the games I want to play are grossly incompatible with Linux, but I don't foresee myself daily-driving it. I hear the work that Valve has done on the Proton compatibility layer since the success of the Steam Deck has made Linux gaming much more seamless these days, @stevenmartin4889 .
@@davide4725 The fact that you can opt out of the advertising platform and data harvesting tools baked into Windows 11 by jumping through some annoying and unintuitive hoops in order to bypass the M$ account login IN NO WAY excuses the fact that it is, by default, an advertising platform and data harvesting tool. That isn't a conspiracy theory, it's the Microsoft business model.
1:50 8700k and 9700k are very different CPUs, 9700k doesn't have hyperthreading, 8700k does. In some games 8700k performs much better than 9700k because of that
Nice one Jay, it sickens me too a bit when such massive corporations resort to such sleazy marketing to basically scam people into an overpriced 13th gen in this case. Intel and nVidia both need an intervention for their creative marketing practices.
Went 13th gen a few months ago after seeing reports that 14th would essentially just be a refresh, was still on 2nd gen so had to build something anyway. Probably won't be doing another build for 5-10 years again.
but thats why they called it a refresh, its not really marketed as a next gen cpu, next year they are even changing the naming scheme. I feel like in the past Intel did this because they had no competition and no reason to innovate, but this time I feel like they just didnt have next gen ready in time. Also some gens with a yearly release schedule have to be small uplifts in performance, you cant go from 12th gen to 13th gen type improvements every year, I just dont think thats possible, I think they have to go back to the tick tock approach, they did away with it to get to a certain level to make sure they keep up with amd , but I think to keep price and power usage down they have to go back to a tick tock sort of approach. Where every 2 years is the big upgrade and in between just process refinement.
AMD has had significant performance increase every generation of Ryzen. It can be done. Ryzen 8000 is currently expected to have 10%+ increase in IPC over Ryzen 7000. If AMD can do it then Intel has the $ to do it too.
@@yomiiiu Can't wait for Intel to give us a socket that changes mid-generation. So we'll have less than a whole generation for the single type of socket (and motherboard). At that point I'd be tempted to file suit against Intel for actively anti-consumer business practices, and violation of truth in advertisement laws (after obtaining legal counsel).
i just bought a laptop from Origin. It has the i9 13gen with the 4090. I was nervous to see the 14th gen come out, but now im happy 😊. I hate the “obsolete before you open the box” with computers.
So far, what I've found is that the prices are practically the same for the 13900k vs 14900k. I guess it's safe to assume I should go with the newer model when building my PC since I'm not saving anything by choosing 13th vs 14th gen.
Lots of people moving to mini pcs now, the latest Ryzen 7xxx series like 7735HS and 7840HS really kick ass considering their small size and price. I'd recommend doing some shows on those.
Yeah, it will be nice to see build videos. Different price points would be nice too to get an idea of how much performance you can squeeze into a budget. I’m in desperate need to build an updated PC (currently on 4th gen Intel and DDR3 RAM), but I can’t afford cutting edge tech now that babies will be on the way.
All consumer hardware improvements from one gen to another are so minimalistic I have no need nor enough performance boost upgrade to justify buying new hardware more often than every 4 years. This was my CPU journey with intel - Core 2 quad 8300 -> i7-4790 -> i7-10700k. My next CPU will be no sooner than 16000 gen. The main improvement in performance I have ever experienced was switch from HDD to SSD. Then there are GPU upgrades when u move up a gen and a tier at the same time but thats it.
I think you nailed it… in the criticism, the conclusion, but also in pointing out the one tangible benefit - the only compelling reason to grab this over the cheaper 13th gen will be to keep power/heat in check while getting slightly better performance. Anyone wanting to buy a dead socket for a “bargain” will take 13th gen. Personally being able to run a 14700k on a 280 loop will be absolutely worth it, but I’m in an ITX niche that applies to nearly no-one…
nobody mentions that the memory controller on the 14900k is improved as well and with the new mother boards like the asrock phantom nova, you can run 8000mhz ddr5 ram no problem, and real world performance with a setup like this will have better results than a benchmark score, i just built it and its amazing!
It's been done, it's like going from AMD Ryzen 2700X to 3700X. The improvement to the process that is actually noticeable has been getting a new number in the front before. Nothing wrong with that.
Thank you I'm looking on up grading my build from a 4790, but I've been looking at motherboards and I think a 13th gen should be good, don't waste the money on 14th.
Reminds me of a cartoon I saw with the caption "Inside the Intel Pentium III factory" (or very close to that) The picture was a conveyor belt loaded with Pentium IIs being "processed" by painting another stroke on them to make them IIIs.
3:40 It's funny you mention this, I let Asus auto tune my 9600k back in the day, and while it ran and hit 5Ghz, it ran absolutely awful, way too much power, and the heatload was abysmal. I just used it as a quick reference, but my god, they're pretty bad. I hope EVGA continues it's mobos for many years.
I guess you could say the new chip is GENder fluid. This makes it so much easier to forget about the 13th and 14th gen altogether and see what 15th gen brings. 9700k @ 5ghz still chugging along.
Der Bauer just showed how his Asus Z790 Heros PL1 and PL2 settings are pretty much set to unlimited unless you go into bios and set them yourselves . His 14900k had a max power usage of 343 watts! Insane especially when compared to the 7800x3d amd its power usage...
I have a 4080 with an intel 12700. Full system powerdraw, playing at 60fps (limited and underclocked my GPU) is 280w total. That is including my 65" TV. With the TV off, I am on about 180w total draw. Ark Ascended, average about 68w GPU draw, super smooth. Will not be upgrading anytime soon
Well... they're about the same retail price now but since there are always people who upgrade for the extra bump ...2nd hand prices for the 13th gen have gone down!
I'm looking to replace my 7th gen i5, I think this will be a good uplift for me, and I'm happy I didn't make the jump a month ago. But I agree there doesn't seem to be much of a point for anyone with newer gens. I just hope my CX650M PSU and Hydro H100i v2 AIO cooler will be able to handle it.
I upgraded my i7-7700K to a i9-14900K and I was very pleased with the performance boost in some of my games and video work. Being able to scrub through 8K footage like its low res proxies is crazy.
Regarding electricity. I just learned IDLE usage is 100% lower on Intel. As someone who uses PC alot, general purpose like browsing, rarely gaming, and rarely turn off PC, that would surely translate to lower electric bill?
Last few years I've gone from (in the house) a 7700 and a 8700kf to a 12700/13700 and the wife was seeing the 14th gen stuff 'did we just buy you outdated stuff already'. My response was "nope, 14th gens just slightly better 13th, what I have works and works well." That in the ends the big thing, if it works for you than it works for you and that's all that matters. I'd love to see some more mid tier builds etc from you Jay, maybe showing some interesting things that you can do with AIO's etc to make the case look better, I know that for me personally I'd love to be able to do a custom loop and have everything look exactly how I want, but the price difference between say a Lian Li Galahad 360 and a 'custom' loop is just way to much especially in this day and age of inflation.
Been considering a cpu upgrade for a while, regardless of my choice, from a 7700k either is going to be a huge upgrade. That being said, on 'scan' in the UK the 13900k and 14900k are identically priced... Makes that a somewhat easy decision!
Don't get why people are so mad about this, I saw this as a mostly possitive thing. To me this feels like a socket's getting a mature upgrade (allthough small on the perf. side). Allthough whoever upgrades from 13 to 14th gen is probably not the smartest person. I have a 11700K so an upgrade would be nice but not neccesary, though the 14700K had a few E-cores more and I always tend to go for the seond option so to speak. For example i decided on a 4080 instead of a 4090 and 2y-3y before that i went with a 11700K instead of the 11900K. For me It's not worth it going with the most expensive option.
It still makes no sense to get 14th gen from 12th gen, because 13th and 14th gen are functionally the same. But, the 13th gen are way cheaper due to being old.
Jay, I see you talking about upgrading from 12gen to 14gen and how it wouldn't make a difference, what about us who are still running on 11900k's 3 years later
Well, I agree with your assessment. What I'm finding is that there isn't that much compelling tech out there today. CPU refreshes and GPUs that are only marginally better (personally not that impressed by framegen tech) aren't going to keep buyers buying. I have to ask, has PC gaming hardware plateaued?
I’m on a Intel i7 6700 and it runs games just fine. I run most of my games on high graphic settings at about 80 fps with about 15-20 Fps fluctuation. It’s paired with a evga3090.
Honestly for me I bought a 12700k bundle when the 13th came out for a good price, and it was a massive upgrade from my old 6700k. If i have a path in a year or so to just get the 14700K at a decent price and not have to upgrade my z690 board and ddr4 ram I will take it. I wan them to get better and more efficient, this at least tries
I was on a 9700k and a 13700k was a massive performance increase for me I have a rtx 3080 and I am waiting for black Friday deals so I can grab a 4090 also will be selling my evga ftw3 3080 to recoup the cost of a 4090
My 12900K should easily keep me happy for another year or two. I plan to eventually just grab the latest/best CPU compatible with my system once the next socket hits the shelves and prices drop. Which to be honest, this news makes me a little less enthusiastic about that plan...
The only problem is the misleading labeling. It should be 13950, 13750, 13650. If it helps push 13 prices down then those become very compelling again, at least for the 7 and the 6 levels.
Running a 13600K. Not so much going from 13th to 14th but more wanting to go from 13600K to a 14900K, seeing that right now the 14900k is cheaper than the 13900K depending on the site.
Ok, I'd like to see a 14th gen vs 12th gen comparison. I just built a new PC with a 12th gen i7 12700K, and would love to know if it would be worth the upgrade in a couple of years or so to upgrade to a 14700 or even a 14900 (to avoid also upgrading the motherboard, RAM, etc.) For me, a 10% increase in performance wouldn't be worth it unless in a few years 14th gen would be $150/175 or less. Maybe not even worth a 20% increase...
id bet in a few years there will be cpus for $200 that will be better than the 14th gen upgrade. i wouldnt worry about upgrading til then. sent from a fellow 12700k user.
Intel has used the "50" designation before with a desktop processor that fell in between the 10700 and 10900. Remember the 10850K? It was actually a very good value when it was released.
I still have my 10850k and yes it was a great value at the time. Basically just a low binned 10900k and set 100Mhz lower. My second core is a turd so I optimize around it and it's held up great. That being said from then to even 12th gen the performance has gone up quite a bit with the newer cpu's so I'm not surprised to see that slow down a bit between 13th and 14th gen
I’ve got a 4790k build powering my basement VR/ home entertainment setup. ten generations old now and still puts smiles on faces.
@@aarliann I still have two 4790K systems, first one is running for 9 years now. You can OC them to hell and back, but the only problem is, it's still just 4 cores.
Still, pretty good for 1080 gaming when paired with a 980ti or 1080ti.
But for PC companies.. they need a yearly "NEW MODEL" to sell to people. Real world difference between a top-end 4-year old CPU and new one is minimal. Less heat, usually.
I paid $350 for a used ThinkPad with a 6core intel CPU thats 4 years old. It's about 10~12% slower than the 2022 model which sold for $1800. With the bonus of not using USB-C as a charge port.
@@jsteezy80
With the 10850K, you still get your 4K/60 or 1440/120 at Ultra with Maxed sliders, right?
I know i did with my 10900K, and so you do not need to upgrade.
It's just a waste of your hard earned money.
I run a 5800X3D with a 3090, and i don't need to upgrade. I actually dismantled my 10900K system to go full time with the 5800X3D. No need to upgrade bro. Save your money.
Jay thanks so much for your content! I’ve watched 3 reviews on the 14th gen so far and you are the only one that bothered to mention the motherboard power limit stuff. Great video and great review!
I see no problem here, you pay more for your cpu so you can pay more for your electricity bill while gaining absolutely nothing. What a bargain indeed. haha
LMAO
Intel CPU spokespeople be like
>Buys amd
>Get's permabanned from gaming
People buy intel and nvidia for quality of life and tranquillity.
Interesting how the electricity bill doesn't come up when the reviews are about amd gpus.
@@Happiness-lp9fw driver got revoked and all people are being unbanned lol, plus that was valves issue not amds
@@Happiness-lp9fwoh yeah because no one has ever brought up power draw of GPU's 🙄
My theory is that 14th Gen is what Raptor Lake was supposed to be all along. Given that 13th Gen was put out ten months after 12th Gen, I think that was rushed out to compete with the 5800X3D. Then they tried to bargain on Meteor Lake for even more uplift, but since that isn't working out for desktop they put the refresh out as a placeholder until Arrow Lake.
This was all leaked by MLID months ago xd. Not really news.Glad people are still observant though, can't let intel pool the wool over people's eyes just by calling it 14th gen lol.
Sounds about right
This 14th refresh is because Meteor Lake flops on desktop and wasn't really ready in time. OEMs are rushing out Phoenix Zen4 laptops.
Anyway 12th gen had bugs, the Thread Director stuff wasn't working right and it needed Windows 11 so launched late after the 11th gen debacle.
Adding Atom E-cores was already a desperate play brute forcing MT benchmarks with power consumption.
Raptor Lake was a refinement on Alder, required to counter Zen4, fixing bugs and adding more Atom cores.
Intel are trying to hang on, but Zen5 is starting to leak out now, OEMs are unimpressed by 14th and this means AMD launch a new architecture unopposed until Q4/24.
Bit of a stretch/giving them too much credit even with bad decisions.
Its because intel still haven't figured out how to manufacture using euv machines at economic viable yield
This is actually good news. The "new gen" at the same msrp will make the "old" 13 gen go down in price, making the 13600 an even better price/performance deal.
13500 should be even better p/p after this. (I'm not bitter, i'm just sad i didn't wait).
Lols, this is such a fanboy response, 13th Gen is still a sucky generation no matter how you picture it, 40% more power for less performance than AMD and at a far higher cost, why would you except that you're a fanboy?
Yeah, so happy i waited. 8600k upgrade to 13 gen for me hahha
@@SpyderTrackshe's talking about Intel
Higher memory speed good make sure us Asus ROG MB best experience
13:36 it feels like you’re in better spirits doing builds, I like how you delivered this review, instructional in addition to review/benchmark. Good comparison to the 7950x too just built a pc with that, no 14th gen for me!
i would wait for 9000 series 7000 series is poor value and about to get its funeral and much needed price cuts
The end of the video was gold... "i like building computers" and "just put what you can afford in your PC"
Thats as real as it gets right there
exactly.
go pick whatever suit your need and pocket
since sometimes amd cheaper and sometimes is intel cheaper.
different places have different prices
I'm looking to build my first PC in a few months, and honestly i'm hyped for this launch because i'm hoping 13th gen will go down by like, 40 bucks. Appreciate the small things :)
i would have loved to see the 12900k on the comps just to see how much difference the 13 was compared the the 14th increase. do you guys have the i7 14th gen yet?
These guys likely sell their gifted samples (gifted meaning they get to keep those ones) on ebay after a while. Which is theirs to do as they please with, but i mention it just so everyone knows they do NOT need your 'donations' or for you to buy their grift merch to keep them going. Ad-rev is more than enough already.
@@clitmintWait, businesses exist to make money?
@@clitmintblud just learned what businesses do
And you can buy their merch only if you want to lol, I bought from them and from other youtubers merch and it was pretty good (specifically the kvm switch I bought I just can't remember from who)
@@ExecratedPlaysGaming
Businesses do exist to make money. I run 2, and take the occasional home-improvement jobs when they pop up, like fitting bathrooms/kitchens for example.
However, business men/women asking for donations, are con-artist grifters. That's my point.
They con you with their emotional pleading, then grift off the suckers who bought it.
@@twiistedpanda4781
Oh there's merch (stuff that's helpful and useful and is equal or less than other prices), and then there's grift merch which is overpriced stuff (good or bad) or junk, which is ALWAYS overpriced.
You can tell which is which by comparing prices with other like-items on different stores.
Like the Linus screwdriver BS, that's pure grift merch. Linus, and all these other big techtubers know, there's plenty of mindless lemming fanboys out there to soak money out of, and so the grift merh does well.
Other types of grift merch would be the usual t-shirts, mugs, flasks, waterbottles, posters, keychains.
As someone still rocking a 9th Gen Intel I just watch your videos for info for when I finally upgrade.
So glad that I do, thank you Jay. please keep it up.
13900KS = 14900K + a slight bump, close enough to being twins though. Think I'm staying with 12900KF.
What resolution are you running with that 12900KF btw?
overclock the 13900KS and you have matched the 14900K or very very close to
oc'ing is free (assuming you had a beefy cooler already, as you should for a 13900KS)
@@benjamind547 wouldn't CPU usage go down as the resolution goes up anyway?
@@MrVlodato Sure. But I mean if you're going to buy a 14900K / 13900K / 7950X or something like that, you're more than likely going to pair it with a 7900 XTX or a 4090. The reason I mention the resolution here is because it just seems like a waste of money to get those GPU's and play on anything less than 4K because there are more affordable/sensible purchases that work perfectly well with 1440p or even 1080p - 13600K, 14600K, 7600/7600X or even a 7800X3D for future proofing as it's not crazy expensive compared to a 13600K. The 7700/7700X doesn't really make any sense to me given that it's literally only £50 less than a 7800X3D atm.
My undervolted 13900ks has almost same multicore score as this 14900k.
Reckon if I unleash it, remove the negative offset and increase LLC a bit, would beat it without a doubt
When I was building a full-size PC last December, I went with the 13,900K and I am happy with it. I'll stick with it for the foreseeable future.
Just got a 5900x. Very happy with it. Don't really care about DDR5 stuff.
Jay I really appreciate the add in the middle of the video instead of the start. We usually have to watch 2 adds before the video even plays and getting slapped with a third is kinda frustrating.
I am excited for this release just because the pricing is so close between 13th and 14th gen and the performance isn't much of an improvement. I'm looking for a Micro Center bundle deal on the 13700k/13900k or 7900X around Black Friday. I sure hope those prices drop a fair bit by then.
same, hopefully they'll lower the 13900k bundle. Im looking at the 12900k rn but if the 13th gen becomes a better deal i might just do that.
13700k bundle just dropped $50
@@58longi just wish the 13700k bundle came with a better mobo...
Me too, I'll never buy Asus boards again after the RMA experience I had with them. Wish Microcenter would stop putting Asus in the bundles.
I have the 13700K and the 7900X. Bothare really good, but the 7900X is a beast
Just got a 7800X3D from Best Buy for $329. Gonna be a massive upgrade from my ancient Intel 2600K!
Are you gonna pair the 7800X3D with a GTX570 from the old system? 😅
Jokes aside, I still have a 3930K and a GTX580 in good running condition myself 😊
Hard to cool, and only for gaming.
@@Joeteck Patrick P. Gelsinger is that you?
@@yourfavoritelawnguy2722No. CEO and founder of JoeteckTips... But close..
Honestly used the 14700k to build my first ever PC, love it so far. When pricing I was seeing practically no price difference between the Generation. Your channel and Linus were the ones that inspired me to finally build a Computer, Thank You ^.^
14K in all bench marks is out performing the 13K by at least 20 FPS, this guy is a trendy pro AMD intel hater, he talked about AMD being a piece of shit basically because it can't handle memory but at the same time promotes AMD. Stick to your 14K it's a superior processor to AMD's trash lately and 13K, don't buy the crap real world talks.
@@figureitoutpunkIntel 13th or 14th gen is just objectively worse than AMD's current gen. If you look at temps and power draw to performance, that is.
Intel currently uses ridiculous amounts of power and overheats very fast
Don't know if you'll see this comment, but what are you using to cool your 14700k?
I'm using a H100i to cool mine. Still hits 100c during stress testing, but during gaming it runs fine.@@Stealthcastlandon
@@figureitoutpunkyou don't know how comparisons work, the 14th gen has single percent uplifts, just agree with rest of us that Intel is just giving us a hotter chip for no performance upgrade. The 7800x3d beats every consumer cpu in gaming and 7950x beats every consumer cpu for productivity and efficiency. 14k is superior alright, superior trash.
This blows my mind. This is a technology company at the quite literal forefront of INNOVATION, and this is the kind of tech we are presented with.
It is supposed to be refresh, and that is what it is. Jay makes a good point in regards the power profile, most MB manufacturers have automated settings that will make the cpu pull up to 200 watts more than intended, for minimal gains in performance and much higher temperatures. I have seen benchmarks of the 14700k pulling 500 watts for often 3% better performance than what it gets when consuming 250-300. Asus is normally the largest culprit , but msi is starting to do the same.
As frustrating as it might be for us, I can see one argument for calling these 14th gen: Making it obvious, which are their latest CPUs. Given the complexity of the CPU numbering, a simple "-R" for "refresh" or similar changes wouldn't really stand out - as fitting as that might be.
As an experiment: Take a look at the Haswell CPU numbers and try to tell at a glance which of those are from the Haswell Refresh.
90 is bigger than 70, people are going to buy that one at the same price.
Exactly. Best thing ever said by a content creator put whatever you can afford into your build.
The 14700k is what has my attention if it can hold the same or better clock speed while adding 4 more cores.
I am happy with my 7950X running @105w ECO mode, PBO -15, runs cool, My Geekbench6 scores different to yours Jayz - SC =2984, MC.=19,365 - not as quick as Intel but a darn sight lower power draw and heat output - ASUS B650E-E Corsair 64Gb 5600 CAS 40 !
This matters a lot for someone like me who uses a computer all day in a home office.
I traded in my color calibrated photo monitors and downgraded to LED panels just to save power and thus much much less heat in my room.
Working or gaming in a sauna is no fun.
Typical fanboy that is having buyers remorse response right here hahaha
@@iequalsnoobenjoy 300w power draw then lmao.
@@iequalsnoob - enjoy unlimited power draw from Gen 14 - 400w - rofl for that little bit of extra performance !
I can't decide whether to consider this video aging like fine wine or like milk, considering that both these generations (13th gen and 14th gen) are affected by serious silicon degradation.
As a 8th gen user that is seeing the last days of his I5 I think that the slight increase in performance at the same price sounds promising, obviously not what I expected. Maybe I can get a nice deal on 13th gen
I'm on 6th gen. GTX 1070. Getting 60fps on low and some medium for Warhanmer Dark Tide. Good optimized games like Forza Horizon 5 run at 60fps Extreme.
@@Overlord277 good on you, keep it going as long as possible!
I already buy it... and i think its worth it depends on your situation... i have the 4790k from 10 years ago and its time for an upgrade, initialy i wanted the 13900k but the 14900k is only 49€ or 52$ more in my country (spain) so i think its worth it for me. Cant wait to have my new PC
52 is just 4 beers haha
@@AqepbxVondx i dont drink alcohol so i rather buy cpus hahaha
Congrats to i9 13900K owners you already have i9 14900K a year ago.
I finally retired my 9700k to a 13900kf (thanks black Friday deals) and when talking to the sales guy at my local memory express he was like dont bother with 14th gen. It's 100 bucks more and only 5 percent improvement over the 13th gen cpus. Glad I listened.
I'm really happy to hear this because I'm about to build a new PC, upgrading from a 4th Gen i5, so knowing I can save a buck on the 13th gen is pretty awesome.
Why didn’t Jay include the 7800x3d. It trumps the 14900k in cost and performance per watt and only a couple percent slower.
If I'm doing a new I7 build I'm buying 14 gen, its the top I7. 14 Gen supports more features as well.
I've got nowhere near the budget or need for a chip like this, but it's always interesting to see how things are going on the cutting edge of consumer tech. Shame that it's bad advertising, but even small improvements to efficiency and thermals are welcomed.
I'll stick to my 7600x for the next few years and see where things are closer to the end of the decade, though XD
Not at a $300 difference in price. This is just Intel trying to respond to AMD who at least has a use case for more cores but only one has the VRAM makes for some problems practically.
14th gen does have one extra: APO. That is only 14th gen and only 14700 and 14900 series. How much that will affect how many games on Windows has to be seen because the hardware side seems to be a bit ahead of the software side. But if it works as advertised fine-tuned scheduling for a particular application can have quite an impact on the performance. But AFAIK the software side is still TBA.
Most compelling thing about 14th gen would be better DDR5 stability. Would be interesting to see some RAM overclocking tests
Oh you poor sweet summer child. I have some very bad news for you. There is ZERO improved DDR5 Stability. Its actually worse than 13th gen.
@@NinjAsylum Source? 14900k has 96 GB/s memory bandwidth 13900KS has 89.6 GB/s
it have problems like 2nd gen of amd cpu had with DDR4, system even wont boot so who cares about bandwidth@@shofla
I swear that's the reason why I stayed in DDR4 with my 13900K, but people still ask why I didn't went with DDR5 with today's price, STABILITY.
@@Dar1usz Again source? I haven't seen anything like that, and the CPU's have been available for only a few days.
Interesting side note Jay, in a recent ASUS bios update for AMD, they changed PBO to "AI Optimized". I flashed my bios 2 weeks ago, and reran Cinebench r23 just to see how it changed my scores. After it ran, saw a score increase of nearly 2k on my 7700x. I went from mid 18000's to low 20000's
Oh word? 7950x don’t fail me now
Woke up my 6700xt 😅 5900x is locked into all cores same speed stable. Guess I'm try and turn the cpu turbo back on and send it lol 😅
Which mobo? I just looked and see that my X670E-E got BIOS 1709 five days ago, so I'll have to try that.
When I built my 7900X rig in February, my initial R23 benchmark was over 29000 (can't recall what BIOS version and the old ones are gone now), but subsequently I'd sometimes be as low as 27000s or low 28000s range depending on which EXPO setting I used. (EXPO I seems fastest for me.)
Been on 1602 for two months but before that I had to use 1416 with SoC voltage manually locked at 1.25V cuz 1516 was so unstable that I would only successfully boot one in three or four times, Windows would get corrupted and require a Restore rollback, and it'd even freeze in BIOS. Just awful.
Same as you 670E-E
@@BrianTelleraineCarson Then you updated less than 5 days ago, not two weeks, but no biggie. Thanks for the tip.
Was waiting for this before upgrading. Think now I’ll just pick up a cheaper 13th gen
Get a 12th gen. It's more than enough if your building a gaming or editing PC. Mine is way more than I need paired with my 4070.
@@paddlesouth 12700k is my current processor
14900k is currently selling 30 dollars （canadian） more than the 13900k， maybe wait for a bit for the price to drop.
what a bad tip..
@@paddlesouth
Like Jay say if you don't have the 13th gen then it's okay for the upgrade. Not worth the upgrade from the 13th gen since it only gain a little performance. It's like buying a car. If the new model still using the same motor, it's not really an upgrade. It's just an update.
upgrading from a 9700k to a 14700k next week. I appreciate the honesty, definitely eye opening but the prices are so similar between 13 and 14 gen i may as well get the 'newest' CPU available
If they had named it the 13950x then they couldn't say "Hay look we supported the 12th, 13th, and 14th gen CPUs ON THE SAME PLATFORM!"
Exactly.
Meteor lake for desktop didnt happen... so they just did raptor lake 2... 😮
Wait for the arrow to fly in a year me thinks
So why did Intel not include the AV1 HW encoder and a quad channel Memory access (to already on the module dual channeled DDR5)? This would have given a significant advantage and benefit. I do love my i7-13700h in permanent 65W and nearly the same performance and a much much better iGPU for OpenCL calculations.
That's one of the things I love about Jay , he tells it like it is , gives you the facts so you can make your own mind up about a product . Pity we don't get the same kind of honesty from manufacturers .
I have just purchased a RYZEN 9 5900x to upgrade from my RYZEN 5 3600xt, I also purchased an NZXT Kraken Elite 280 to keep it cool. I am pretty confident that I made a good choice given the poor showing from Intel, and I am not really made of money.
I upgraded to the 5900x a year ago after running my 2600 into the ground😂 and I love it. I’ll upgrade to 8000 series in a couple years probably cause I’m not made of money either
well, if it was for gaming, you'd been way better off with a 5800x3d. like, a lot.
@@GraveUypo I know, but the 5900x was at the right price and will do what I require.
Why is your radiator upside down on that desk pc? Great content keep it up.
After shelling out the dough for a 13900k and a 4090 all on water. Kind of don't want to upgrade a thing until it's time to upgrade the whole damn thing, Haha
I'm with I7 4 gen (still!) and thinking of a huge upgrade. But keeping in mind Intel is working for the upcoming Meteor Lake for near future, I'll wait for it! It seems the Meteor will bring bigger changes.
I am still on a 4770. Hard to wait much longer lol
Agreed. It's an infinity spinning wheel. The way is define a target setup and stick with it for a couple years. I've decided to upgrade to what's available today. The 2tb ssd (firecuda 530) is on the way.
I very much appreciate Jay keeping us consumers informed. Thank you 🙏
I recently switched from an i5 4440 to a 12400 and the leap in performance was significant. for a 14th cpu if I upgraded I'd only be gaining a few more e-cores but the price, even more so in the third world, doesn't justify it.
recently swapped from an i7-4790 to a 12600k myself, this is a WORLD of difference. Wondering if i should upgrade to a 13900/14900k in the future
I built my first all new PC in over a decade recently as I got a heck of a deal on a Chinese Erying 12900H(14 core/20 thread laptop CPU on a desktop Micro ATX board that's a beast!!), 32GB of DDR4 RAM, and an AMD RX6650XT 8GB GPU on Manjaro Gnome Linux I can't see myself upgrading anytime soon with what Intel wants for 13th, or 14th gen, and same for AMD, and not much performance benefits, and this is coming from someone in the US making decent money, so it's not just 3rd world feeling the hurt when it comes to tech prices.
@@kocepetkov5730 yeah it's a world of difference. i even got more performance out of my 1050ti with this upgrade. i think its best to wait until next gen to see what intel comes up with.
I think anything like a 5 year or more gap between upgrades would give a significant jump in performance. Certainly for the last decade. Things might slow from now on but who knows.
For the average Joe watching UA-cam and buying stuff from Amazon nowadays, pretty much anything will work 😂.
AMD 7800X3D pulls about 80W and is a hard match for Intels 14th gen top that can pull 320W....
sure you know what your talking about?
Lol it won't pull that in gaming, most likely 40w more in those loads
Going from an 8700, the 13th to 14th gen similarity doesn’t bug me as much. Similar to people who get the latest iPhone every year, changes will be pretty inconsequential until you’re jumping at least a few years between upgrades. Been saving since my last build, so price really isn’t the issue here. I’m just picking the one with the most long term support, since it’ll likely be left un-upgraded until my next build in another 5-7 years at least.
I doubt the average pc gamer drops several hundred dollars on a new cpu every year. So just get something in your budget that’s either current or a year old and upgrade once the step is substantial or when the old build dies
I still haven't found a personal use case that has made me feel compelled to upgrade my i7-6700 from late 2015. The fact that it isn't "ready for Windows 11" just means it doesn't bug me to "upgrade" to the advertising platform and data harvesting tool masquerading as an operating system that is Win11. I'm migrating to some flavor of Linux when Windows 10 reaches EOL.
I have been running Pop-OS on my old 6700k, I like it a lot more than windows. There is a learning curve with Linux, but I am not going back to Windows. My cooling fans alone run near silent unless I load the system, couldn't ever say that with Windows. Going to see how it all works with my new machine once my last parts arrive and I can build it.
I’d have been on Linux a very long time ago if gaming on it was worth a damn but I’ve been largely disappointed with how much work it takes just even get it “barely playable” in my opinion. And lack of graphics card controls, without a ton of work? I’m good. I’ll just remove everything I don’t need from windows 11 as I’ve done since the start
I might end up dual-booting Windows 11 if any of the games I want to play are grossly incompatible with Linux, but I don't foresee myself daily-driving it. I hear the work that Valve has done on the Proton compatibility layer since the success of the Steam Deck has made Linux gaming much more seamless these days, @stevenmartin4889 .
Bro you can quit with the Windows 11 conspiracies. It's the same user experience and you can bypass the Microsoft account requirement.
@@davide4725 The fact that you can opt out of the advertising platform and data harvesting tools baked into Windows 11 by jumping through some annoying and unintuitive hoops in order to bypass the M$ account login IN NO WAY excuses the fact that it is, by default, an advertising platform and data harvesting tool. That isn't a conspiracy theory, it's the Microsoft business model.
1:50 8700k and 9700k are very different CPUs, 9700k doesn't have hyperthreading, 8700k does. In some games 8700k performs much better than 9700k because of that
Nice one Jay, it sickens me too a bit when such massive corporations resort to such sleazy marketing to basically scam people into an overpriced 13th gen in this case.
Intel and nVidia both need an intervention for their creative marketing practices.
Went 13th gen a few months ago after seeing reports that 14th would essentially just be a refresh, was still on 2nd gen so had to build something anyway. Probably won't be doing another build for 5-10 years again.
but thats why they called it a refresh, its not really marketed as a next gen cpu, next year they are even changing the naming scheme. I feel like in the past Intel did this because they had no competition and no reason to innovate, but this time I feel like they just didnt have next gen ready in time. Also some gens with a yearly release schedule have to be small uplifts in performance, you cant go from 12th gen to 13th gen type improvements every year, I just dont think thats possible,
I think they have to go back to the tick tock approach, they did away with it to get to a certain level to make sure they keep up with amd , but I think to keep price and power usage down they have to go back to a tick tock sort of approach. Where every 2 years is the big upgrade and in between just process refinement.
AMD has had significant performance increase every generation of Ryzen. It can be done. Ryzen 8000 is currently expected to have 10%+ increase in IPC over Ryzen 7000. If AMD can do it then Intel has the $ to do it too.
Building a new rig and runing a 790 mb and getting a 14th gen i9. Judt because im coming from an 11th gen i7 gaming laptop. Great video as always!
We were promised 3 gens for this Intel socket. Instead we got 2.1 gens.
Next socket intel will give 1.2 gens, classic
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Can't wait for Intel to give us a socket that changes mid-generation. So we'll have less than a whole generation for the single type of socket (and motherboard). At that point I'd be tempted to file suit against Intel for actively anti-consumer business practices, and violation of truth in advertisement laws (after obtaining legal counsel).
Thay never promised 3 gens, only 2. Meteor Lake was supposed to come out now on the new LGA1851 socket.
Currently running a 10900k and picked up a 14900k, so I’m not mad a the minor differences from 13th gen.
In Jay we trust!
i just bought a laptop from Origin. It has the i9 13gen with the 4090. I was nervous to see the 14th gen come out, but now im happy 😊. I hate the “obsolete before you open the box” with computers.
100% trust issue to every brand
So far, what I've found is that the prices are practically the same for the 13900k vs 14900k. I guess it's safe to assume I should go with the newer model when building my PC since I'm not saving anything by choosing 13th vs 14th gen.
that was my reasoning too. I just got a 14900k this week
Come on Jay, let 13th Gen identify as 14th Gen. It's 2023.
Lots of people moving to mini pcs now, the latest Ryzen 7xxx series like 7735HS and 7840HS really kick ass considering their small size and price. I'd recommend doing some shows on those.
giving my haswell cpu another year to complete the decade, before I upgrade
So what ur saying is advertising would be better if it was called 13th gen+ 🤔
My i7 12800HX still runs everything. If you have at least had i7 12th gen and you're the average gamer/creator then I honestly think you're good.
Yeah, it will be nice to see build videos. Different price points would be nice too to get an idea of how much performance you can squeeze into a budget. I’m in desperate need to build an updated PC (currently on 4th gen Intel and DDR3 RAM), but I can’t afford cutting edge tech now that babies will be on the way.
FYI, you can still find new 12th gen CPUs for sale which are $100 cheaper than the same tier of 13th/14th.
All consumer hardware improvements from one gen to another are so minimalistic I have no need nor enough performance boost upgrade to justify buying new hardware more often than every 4 years.
This was my CPU journey with intel - Core 2 quad 8300 -> i7-4790 -> i7-10700k. My next CPU will be no sooner than 16000 gen. The main improvement in performance I have ever experienced was switch from HDD to SSD. Then there are GPU upgrades when u move up a gen and a tier at the same time but thats it.
I think you nailed it… in the criticism, the conclusion, but also in pointing out the one tangible benefit - the only compelling reason to grab this over the cheaper 13th gen will be to keep power/heat in check while getting slightly better performance. Anyone wanting to buy a dead socket for a “bargain” will take 13th gen.
Personally being able to run a 14700k on a 280 loop will be absolutely worth it, but I’m in an ITX niche that applies to nearly no-one…
both the 13 and 14th gen are sub par and shouldn't be bought.
It's literally obsolete and wasteful.
nobody mentions that the memory controller on the 14900k is improved as well and with the new mother boards like the asrock phantom nova, you can run 8000mhz ddr5 ram no problem, and real world performance with a setup like this will have better results than a benchmark score, i just built it and its amazing!
It's been done, it's like going from AMD Ryzen 2700X to 3700X. The improvement to the process that is actually noticeable has been getting a new number in the front before. Nothing wrong with that.
can this even be called a refresh? higher price, higher thermals and power usage
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Thank you I'm looking on up grading my build from a 4790, but I've been looking at motherboards and I think a 13th gen should be good, don't waste the money on 14th.
Got a great deal on a 13700kf a week ago so good to hear im not missing out on much lol.
I'm bumping up from a i5-3570K to a i7-14700K. Also, from a GTX 1070, to a 4070 Super. And from a SATA SSD to a Gen 5 M.2.
are you gonna hack NASA system with that thing?
Reminds me of a cartoon I saw with the caption "Inside the Intel Pentium III factory" (or very close to that) The picture was a conveyor belt loaded with Pentium IIs being "processed" by painting another stroke on them to make them IIIs.
3:40 It's funny you mention this, I let Asus auto tune my 9600k back in the day, and while it ran and hit 5Ghz, it ran absolutely awful, way too much power, and the heatload was abysmal. I just used it as a quick reference, but my god, they're pretty bad. I hope EVGA continues it's mobos for many years.
I guess you could say the new chip is GENder fluid. This makes it so much easier to forget about the 13th and 14th gen altogether and see what 15th gen brings. 9700k @ 5ghz still chugging along.
Der Bauer just showed how his Asus Z790 Heros PL1 and PL2 settings are pretty much set to unlimited unless you go into bios and set them yourselves . His 14900k had a max power usage of 343 watts! Insane especially when compared to the 7800x3d amd its power usage...
I have a 4080 with an intel 12700. Full system powerdraw, playing at 60fps (limited and underclocked my GPU) is 280w total. That is including my 65" TV. With the TV off, I am on about 180w total draw. Ark Ascended, average about 68w GPU draw, super smooth. Will not be upgrading anytime soon
Well... they're about the same retail price now but since there are always people who upgrade for the extra bump ...2nd hand prices for the 13th gen have gone down!
Falcon Northwest!!! Holy crap I haven't heard that name in AGES. They've been in the game foreeeeever.
I'm looking to replace my 7th gen i5, I think this will be a good uplift for me, and I'm happy I didn't make the jump a month ago. But I agree there doesn't seem to be much of a point for anyone with newer gens.
I just hope my CX650M PSU and Hydro H100i v2 AIO cooler will be able to handle it.
You could also get AMD, or the cheaper 13th gen
I upgraded my i7-7700K to a i9-14900K and I was very pleased with the performance boost in some of my games and video work. Being able to scrub through 8K footage like its low res proxies is crazy.
Regarding electricity. I just learned IDLE usage is 100% lower on Intel. As someone who uses PC alot, general purpose like browsing, rarely gaming, and rarely turn off PC, that would surely translate to lower electric bill?
Last few years I've gone from (in the house) a 7700 and a 8700kf to a 12700/13700 and the wife was seeing the 14th gen stuff 'did we just buy you outdated stuff already'. My response was "nope, 14th gens just slightly better 13th, what I have works and works well."
That in the ends the big thing, if it works for you than it works for you and that's all that matters. I'd love to see some more mid tier builds etc from you Jay, maybe showing some interesting things that you can do with AIO's etc to make the case look better, I know that for me personally I'd love to be able to do a custom loop and have everything look exactly how I want, but the price difference between say a Lian Li Galahad 360 and a 'custom' loop is just way to much especially in this day and age of inflation.
Been considering a cpu upgrade for a while, regardless of my choice, from a 7700k either is going to be a huge upgrade. That being said, on 'scan' in the UK the 13900k and 14900k are identically priced... Makes that a somewhat easy decision!
Don't get why people are so mad about this, I saw this as a mostly possitive thing. To me this feels like a socket's getting a mature upgrade (allthough small on the perf. side).
Allthough whoever upgrades from 13 to 14th gen is probably not the smartest person.
I have a 11700K so an upgrade would be nice but not neccesary, though the 14700K had a few E-cores more and I always tend to go for the seond option so to speak.
For example i decided on a 4080 instead of a 4090 and 2y-3y before that i went with a 11700K instead of the 11900K.
For me It's not worth it going with the most expensive option.
It still makes no sense to get 14th gen from 12th gen, because 13th and 14th gen are functionally the same. But, the 13th gen are way cheaper due to being old.
older not old
Jay, I see you talking about upgrading from 12gen to 14gen and how it wouldn't make a difference, what about us who are still running on 11900k's 3 years later
Well, I agree with your assessment. What I'm finding is that there isn't that much compelling tech out there today. CPU refreshes and GPUs that are only marginally better (personally not that impressed by framegen tech) aren't going to keep buyers buying. I have to ask, has PC gaming hardware plateaued?
Until more ARM CPUs come out, I'd say yes
I’m on a Intel i7 6700 and it runs games just fine. I run most of my games on high graphic settings at about 80 fps with about 15-20 Fps fluctuation. It’s paired with a evga3090.
Honestly for me I bought a 12700k bundle when the 13th came out for a good price, and it was a massive upgrade from my old 6700k. If i have a path in a year or so to just get the 14700K at a decent price and not have to upgrade my z690 board and ddr4 ram I will take it. I wan them to get better and more efficient, this at least tries
I was on a 9700k and a 13700k was a massive performance increase for me I have a rtx 3080 and I am waiting for black Friday deals so I can grab a 4090 also will be selling my evga ftw3 3080 to recoup the cost of a 4090
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My 12900K should easily keep me happy for another year or two. I plan to eventually just grab the latest/best CPU compatible with my system once the next socket hits the shelves and prices drop. Which to be honest, this news makes me a little less enthusiastic about that plan...
As someone that has a 9 gen, this was a great jump, no need to go for 13 because the price is not going down any time soon.
people are buying it so ...yeah
intel knew what it was doing.
"It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning."
The only problem is the misleading labeling. It should be 13950, 13750, 13650. If it helps push 13 prices down then those become very compelling again, at least for the 7 and the 6 levels.
I am on 4790k still 10 years old and rockin almost 5ghz right now! Still brutes through games
Running a 13600K. Not so much going from 13th to 14th but more wanting to go from 13600K to a 14900K, seeing that right now the 14900k is cheaper than the 13900K depending on the site.
I'm guessing you do more than just gaming?
Thanks for this video ... I have 12e gen so .. 14e is a great upgrade then.. Awesome !
Ok, I'd like to see a 14th gen vs 12th gen comparison. I just built a new PC with a 12th gen i7 12700K, and would love to know if it would be worth the upgrade in a couple of years or so to upgrade to a 14700 or even a 14900 (to avoid also upgrading the motherboard, RAM, etc.) For me, a 10% increase in performance wouldn't be worth it unless in a few years 14th gen would be $150/175 or less. Maybe not even worth a 20% increase...
id bet in a few years there will be cpus for $200 that will be better than the 14th gen upgrade. i wouldnt worry about upgrading til then. sent from a fellow 12700k user.
was waiting for 14th gen, as upgrading from an 8th gen. So it's a no brainer with the lower watts