40 yards and a 30'' circle will get you your percentage difference between the 3 choke settings. FC 70% Mod 60% and Imp 50%. These are approximate but that's what they were originally looking for with the 3 standard chokes. Larger or smaller shot will affect pattern density as will lower or higher velocity. + every gun will pattern a little different.
Great video. The first shotgun I shot was a model 12 with a polychoke, plastic recoil pad and I was 8 years old. Hit my first clay pigeon with the first shot I ever made. Used that model 12 all my childhood days. Using #5 shot could hit 3 real pigeons coming out of the opening for the hay mow. Had it set one notch tighter than modified. Open it up to one notch open from improved cylinder and used it for deer. Shot squirrel once with a slug on that choke setting. Didn't have to gut it!!. Great to reminisce about old guns. Shot one of those Mossberg bolts too.
The old mossberg bolt shotguns have alot of character. I reaaly like the 20 gauge version. The jc jiggins bolt shotguns however had a more useful tube mag that held 5 rounds and are smoother feeding. Usually cost the same or less than break action single shots. Mostly made in 12 gauge however.
I have a 195k-A 12 gauge, im almost finished with my 10 round and have 2 regular 2 round mags. Im useing it for hunting turkey and deer this year. Im also missing the black plug gor safe. The poly choke on this gun is called a C-lect a choke and it works on mine with bitd loads. I haven't tryed any buck yet but you can shoot slugs if its opened up to cylinder. And you can keep a pump shouldered, a bolt not so much.
These bolt actions by Mossberg were made until the late ‘80’s early ‘90’s…resurrected in the 2000’s (12ga) 695 bolt slug gun. The advent of steel shot finally ended the poly choke/C-lect choke’s run. But these guns were also available with external, constriction specific, chokes with external threading.
Neat old gun. I was in a gun shop looking for a cheap gun just for fun in the early 1990s and I found one of these identical to yours. It was a fun gun for a while. But it was not a reliable repeater. It did not cycle from the mag. But I still had some fun shoots with family and friends for a few years. Thank you for sharing the gun & poly choke with us. Back in the day many offerings had poly choke.
Man mine was shit reliable from the time I got it too but I messed with that mag and got it where it’s as reliable as they get now. The mag and the mag catch if I remember correctly. The catch would act like it grabbed the mag but it wouldn’t be fully seated.
These are from the early 1950’s, came in .410,16,20,12 gauges. Three shot bolt action shotguns were made for service men returning from military service, they had been using bolt action rifles and these shotguns were more comfortable to use. Also these were used for trap/ clay pigeon type shooting. The run around $65.00 to $125.00 depending on condition. Still fun to shoot !
I have an early 80's New Haven 600 (same as Mossberg 500) 12gauge with C-lect choke. Great reliable field gun. As far as the poly chokes go, my opinion has been they probably don't achieve the same results as a barrel that is choked to the same as the settings on the poly choke, but they do work and offer a range of choices.
You keep coming up with the coolest stuff! I don't think you can enter a pawn shop or used gun department that doesn't have a shotgun with a poly choke. Like you mine was passed down to me, but it is on a Browning which destroyed the value of it. Now I'm off to make a batch of my Hot salsa! Stay safe everyone.
Had this one in 16 Ga. with the same adjustable choke. Before 1968 serial #'s weren't required on firearms, I have a couple old ones that don't have one. I bet that good old Mossburg will still be shooting many years from now. How about the next time you do a pattern test, turn the target paper backwards to show the exit side? It makes things more visible for your viewers
There was a point in time that the Government didn't require shotguns to have serial numbers. My best estimation is that shotguns made prior to 1968 did not have serial numbers.
They weren't required. Some manufacturers did put them on before 68. If it came with one, it must stay. (Can't remove) If it did not, it doesn't require one.
Just seeing this video but wanted to add a little information for you. I have a 185K-B which was made between 1955-1958. I've seen a 185K-D which was made sometime in the 60's. There are no records for exact production and there were no serial #'s on these prior to 01OCT1968 when the law requiring them was enacted. Great shot gun. I've shot doubles on skeet with it and it is really accurate! Enjoy!
There is no serial number because they were made from 1950 to 1955 when serial numbers were not required. I have the 12, 20 and 410 versions. And today I just picked up a Model 200 K which is a 12 ga, magazine feed pump action.
I think you’d see better examples between the settings at 30 to 40 yards. I have a Marlin 55 which is a beast of a bolt action shotgun, and just silly fun to shoot.
I've owned this exact model.for 45 yrs. I bought it used I have never had any issue with it. A 12 gauge version would be more preferable to reach out further.
I bought a couple of old shotguns at auction and got them cheap because they have Polychokes. For the price, I wouldn't care if they had turds on them. A Browning Auto 5 and a Winchester Model 12 in good shape for less than 900 bucks for the pair, you decide.
The old Noble brand vari-choke that I have, you can't tell a difference in how the gun patterns regardless of how tight or loose you make it. Patterns the same to my eye.
Didn’t have target big enough to capture the spread at 40 yards. Was just a simple demonstration really, never expected this video to get much attention lol 😂. Just being honest
I have my grandfather's gun exactly the same as yours but someone has lost the choke off of it. Can't seem to find another one. Does anyone know were I can get one? It was handed down and disappeared during that time. I would greatly appreciate it if one is locked..
I have three of these guns in 12, 16, and 20. The 20 gauge does what you said. It’s patten is off center. I know little history on this gun because it was bought at a sale. Any idea how this gun could be repaired? The gun is in nice shape after looking it over I assume it’s problem is the poly choke.
@@farmerdude3578 Best advice would be find a gunsmith with experience in dealing with them...may be hard to find with the younger guy's that haven't really messed with them much if at all...
@@josephdipko2547 Gunsmiths seem to have gone with the doe doe bird. Big lawyers killed that trade. Anymore people don’t even want to give out advice because of the fear of law suits. I payed 150 bucks for the gun. If I cant fix it myself I’ll just have to live with it. Thanks for the get back.
The reason you can't find a serial number on these guns is because prior to 1968, they weren't required. These Mossberg guns go back to around 1950 or so! I have two, and neither has serial numbers. Even my JC Higgins Model 20 pump gun doesn't have a serial number. Nice video and review! ua-cam.com/video/wscsl4TB1wo/v-deo.html
They were mainly expensive, ugly and if aftermarket a lot got a bit wonky on the install,and no slugs and I don't recall if they played nice with buckshot or not
40 yards and a 30'' circle will get you your percentage difference between the 3 choke settings. FC 70% Mod 60% and Imp 50%. These are approximate but that's what they were originally looking for with the 3 standard chokes. Larger or smaller shot will affect pattern density as will lower or higher velocity. + every gun will pattern a little different.
30 to 40 yards will show a better results.
You are correct. I’d just never fooled with the choke and wanted to try it out with what I had available. Thanks for watching!
I bought the same shot gun. Went right out and tried the adjustable choke the same morning. Worked great... Cool little shotgun.
I still have an old Mossberg 500 with one of these chokes and I’ve got to say it’s a great gun
me too. I havent shot mine in 30 yrs, but I still have it with a redone stock I did like 40 yrs ago.............
Great video. The first shotgun I shot was a model 12 with a polychoke, plastic recoil pad and I was 8 years
old. Hit my first clay pigeon with the first shot I ever made. Used
that model 12 all my childhood days. Using #5 shot could hit 3 real pigeons coming out of the opening for the hay mow. Had it set one notch tighter than modified. Open it up to one notch open from improved cylinder and used it for deer. Shot squirrel once with a slug on that choke setting. Didn't have to gut it!!. Great to reminisce about old guns. Shot one of those Mossberg bolts too.
The old mossberg bolt shotguns have alot of character. I reaaly like the 20 gauge version. The jc jiggins bolt shotguns however had a more useful tube mag that held 5 rounds and are smoother feeding. Usually cost the same or less than break action single shots. Mostly made in 12 gauge however.
I have a 195k-A 12 gauge, im almost finished with my 10 round and have 2 regular 2 round mags. Im useing it for hunting turkey and deer this year. Im also missing the black plug gor safe. The poly choke on this gun is called a C-lect a choke and it works on mine with bitd loads. I haven't tryed any buck yet but you can shoot slugs if its opened up to cylinder. And you can keep a pump shouldered, a bolt not so much.
I have this exact gun. My dad bought it new in 1947. same choked, seems to be effective for me. Dad put several pheasants on the table using this gun.
just bought one of these in 12, looking forward to running it. might just take er duck hunting. Thanks for the great video
I'm curious if you could run a slug through if set on improved cylinder...would make a nice deer gun.
These bolt actions by Mossberg were made until the late ‘80’s early ‘90’s…resurrected in the 2000’s (12ga) 695 bolt slug gun. The advent of steel shot finally ended the poly choke/C-lect choke’s run. But these guns were also available with external, constriction specific, chokes with external threading.
my dads reloading buddy gave me one of these like 50 yrs ago........great gun...........good video............
Pre 1968 Shotguns did not require a serial number, I have that same gun, and it works great.
Pre 1968 any gun was not required to have a serial number
Neat old gun. I was in a gun shop looking for a cheap gun just for fun in the early 1990s and I found one of these identical to yours. It was a fun gun for a while. But it was not a reliable repeater. It did not cycle from the mag. But I still had some fun shoots with family and friends for a few years. Thank you for sharing the gun & poly choke with us. Back in the day many offerings had poly choke.
Man mine was shit reliable from the time I got it too but I messed with that mag and got it where it’s as reliable as they get now. The mag and the mag catch if I remember correctly. The catch would act like it grabbed the mag but it wouldn’t be fully seated.
Excelente escopeta tengo una igual y es muy precisa
I had never seen one , until i got that shotgun and I needed too know how the choking system worked ! Good job ...
These are from the early 1950’s, came in .410,16,20,12 gauges. Three shot bolt action shotguns were made for service men returning from military service, they had been using bolt action rifles and these shotguns were more comfortable to use. Also these were used for trap/ clay pigeon type shooting. The run around $65.00 to $125.00 depending on condition. Still fun to shoot !
I have a 395 kb and love it . It has the C-select and its fun for Trap
I have an early 80's New Haven 600 (same as Mossberg 500) 12gauge with C-lect choke. Great reliable field gun. As far as the poly chokes go, my opinion has been they probably don't achieve the same results as a barrel that is choked to the same as the settings on the poly choke, but they do work and offer a range of choices.
Thanks for doing this test. Always wondered.
You keep coming up with the coolest stuff! I don't think you can enter a pawn shop or used gun department that doesn't have a shotgun with a poly choke. Like you mine was passed down to me, but it is on a Browning which destroyed the value of it. Now I'm off to make a batch of my Hot salsa! Stay safe everyone.
Thank ya bud. Hot salsa sounds good, I just made a big pot of hot chili yesterday! Lol
Had this one in 16 Ga. with the same adjustable choke. Before 1968 serial #'s weren't required on firearms, I have a couple old ones that don't have one. I bet that good old Mossburg will still be shooting many years from now. How about the next time you do a pattern test, turn the target paper backwards to show the exit side? It makes things more visible for your viewers
Just got one handed down from my Dad. It is in perfect condition. I can't wait to go out and shoot!
I have the same exact gun as I picked it up about a year ago. I finally shot is today. Not too bad .
There was a point in time that the Government didn't require shotguns to have serial numbers. My best estimation is that shotguns made prior to 1968 did not have serial numbers.
They weren't required. Some manufacturers did put them on before 68.
If it came with one, it must stay. (Can't remove) If it did not, it doesn't require one.
Just seeing this video but wanted to add a little information for you. I have a 185K-B which was made between 1955-1958. I've seen a 185K-D which was made sometime in the 60's. There are no records for exact production and there were no serial #'s on these prior to 01OCT1968 when the law requiring them was enacted. Great shot gun. I've shot doubles on skeet with it and it is really accurate! Enjoy!
Cut my teath on one of these. Put a many of rabbit in the pot and more than a few squirrel. Traded it off but sure wish I had it back.
There is no serial number because they were made from 1950 to 1955 when serial numbers were not required. I have the 12, 20 and 410 versions. And today I just picked up a Model 200 K which is a 12 ga, magazine feed pump action.
I think you’d see better examples between the settings at 30 to 40 yards. I have a Marlin 55 which is a beast of a bolt action shotgun, and just silly fun to shoot.
Yeah you are correct. I wish I had some targets big enough to do that distance with but I was too impatient to wait lol
Thanks🎯👍
I've owned this exact model.for 45 yrs. I bought it used I have never had any issue with it. A 12 gauge version would be more preferable to reach out further.
Two in the mag and one in the chamber is how it was intended to be used. 3 rounds for waterfowl hunting.
I bought a couple of old shotguns at auction and got them cheap because they have Polychokes. For the price, I wouldn't care if they had turds on them. A Browning Auto 5 and a Winchester Model 12 in good shape for less than 900 bucks for the pair, you decide.
The old Noble brand vari-choke that I have, you can't tell a difference in how the gun patterns regardless of how tight or loose you make it. Patterns the same to my eye.
Good job
I ordered one tonight for fun. $200
Mossberg bolt action shotguns
.410 bore series
83, 183, 283
20ga series
85, 185, 285, 385, 485, 585
16ga series
90, 190, 290, 390
12ga series
95, 195, 295, 395, 495, 595,
& 695 (rifled slug gun only)
Can you fire slugs from that
Looks like fun to me.
Pretty sure I have the exact same gun. I've harvested hundreds of small game animals with mine.
They will definitely get the job done
The same gun sold by Montgomery Ward was called a Western Field
Maybe I missed it but why didn't you test distance like 40 yards with full vs mod etc?
Didn’t have target big enough to capture the spread at 40 yards. Was just a simple demonstration really, never expected this video to get much attention lol 😂. Just being honest
Thanks man!
I have the exact gun. I'm missing the choak ring. Help please
These old shotguns made before 1968 did not have a serial number.
Serial numbers were only required after 1968.
Yeah that’s one indicator of the age of this ol girl
@@thegundungeon I have a few bolt action shotguns but they are all modern slug guns.
@@KD0LRG those moder slug guns are crazy accurate. Been looking at getting one
@@jamespugh The savage 20 gauge are the most accurate but the 12 is also a good choice.
I got a 12 gauge and 20 gauge, now I need a 410.
I have the same gun with the chip
I have my grandfather's gun exactly the same as yours but someone has lost the choke off of it. Can't seem to find another one. Does anyone know were I can get one? It was handed down and disappeared during that time. I would greatly appreciate it if one is locked..
eBay has everything buddy
Wish you would’ve showed installment
It was already installed
It’s part of the gun lol. If your gun doesn’t have one it’s not going to
Will a 12 ga. stock work on a 20 ga.?
I honestly couldn’t tell you. That would be a good question to ask over at thehighroad.org forum
No
They work but people didn't like a club at the end of the barrel
I think the introduction of interchangeable chokes killed those types off.
Plus the look lol
Those chokes seemed to fall out of favor between the "ugly" factor and many were installed aftermarket and patterns were off center
I have three of these guns in 12, 16, and 20. The 20 gauge does what you said. It’s patten is off center. I know little history on this gun because it was bought at a sale. Any idea how this gun could be repaired? The gun is in nice shape after looking it over I assume it’s problem is the poly choke.
@@farmerdude3578 Best advice would be find a gunsmith with experience in dealing with them...may be hard to find with the younger guy's that haven't really messed with them much if at all...
@@josephdipko2547 Gunsmiths seem to have gone with the doe doe bird. Big lawyers killed that trade. Anymore people don’t even want to give out advice because of the fear of law suits. I payed 150 bucks for the gun. If I cant fix it myself I’ll just have to live with it. Thanks for the get back.
The reason you can't find a serial number on these guns is because prior to 1968, they weren't required. These Mossberg guns go back to around 1950 or so! I have two, and neither has serial numbers. Even my JC Higgins Model 20 pump gun doesn't have a serial number. Nice video and review! ua-cam.com/video/wscsl4TB1wo/v-deo.html
Same here dude my papa gave me his
my experience I feel you was to close,back up 25 yards
Should have tested at 25yds or 30. Hunting ranges for most game shots,
Some call the choke a "dial a duck"
The government did not require serial numbers before 1950
I have always enjoyed you videos until you wore that T-shirt, lol.
Hahahaha oh no lol 😂
500
They were mainly expensive, ugly and if aftermarket a lot got a bit wonky on the install,and no slugs and I don't recall if they played nice with buckshot or not
I HAVE A SHOTGUN WITH A FIXED FULL CHOKE I CAN INSTALL A POLY-CHOKE. THE SHOTGUN IS NEW ENGLAND SINGLE SHOT 12 GA