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  • Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
  • David Smoak and Paul Catalina discuss a timeline from a wild 24 hours in college football realignment, what went down with the Pac-12, Oregon and Washington are headed to the big Ten, and Arizona is headed to the Big 12.
    With David Smoak & Paul Catalina

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  • @johndotter351
    @johndotter351 Рік тому +26

    PAC-12 is in its last year of existence! Due to the Commissioner and Administration!

    • @ChristisKing117
      @ChristisKing117 Рік тому +3

      Exactly. Don’t blame any of the schools. This is all on the commissioner and his bad management.

    • @bobbobson8087
      @bobbobson8087 Рік тому +2

      @@ChristisKing117I’m sorry but USC and UCLA still deserve blame for chasing the bag and forcing all the other schools into a prisoner’s dilemma. Larry Scott and his enablers were the root of all of this but don’t forget that the LA schools were the ones that left first.

    • @therealdarrell282
      @therealdarrell282 Рік тому +1

      @@bobbobson8087 UCLA and USC saw the writing on the wall and made the jump. There is a reason why San Diego State went back to the MWC. They know the PAC-12 is on life support. Washington State, Cal, Oregon State and Stanford have to join another conference or go Independent.

    • @bobbill950
      @bobbill950 Рік тому

      @@therealdarrell282 my bet is 2 if not all of the 4 teams left go to the ACC but I could be wrong.

    • @RogerBates7
      @RogerBates7 Рік тому

      ​@@bobbill950 that could absolutely happen, but that's going to be so impractical, travel-wise. Not that Big Ten - Los Angeles is ideal, but at least you have some Mid West schools in play there... Whereas, the ACCs are all East Coast, sans Notre Dame and Louisville. Would be a logistical challenge to pull that off.

  • @StanfordImages
    @StanfordImages Рік тому +4

    OMG, I can't stay away from watching after getting off work. Thanks, guys!

  • @edharris6452
    @edharris6452 Рік тому +16

    Mind blowing. Grew up in the Bay Area watching great Rose Bowls with Cal, UCLA, Stanford USC and the like. There is absolutely nothing the Pac-12 can do about this. They have been aggressively poached and left for dead. Stanford and Cal have been my favorite schools (grew up in San Jose) and there will be no football in 2025. They are too proud to go to the MW (much less money and deprecated recruiting), and nobody else wants them. Stanford will certainly try to do a Notre Dame and go independent, but they just don't have the same mystique, especially when ND's OZ curtain is being pulled back. Yes, we can blame it on the financial woes of some schools, but that can be repaired to keep things going. They left for the carrots being dangled before them plain and simple.

    • @BSPotter
      @BSPotter Рік тому +1

      there is still a solid chance Stanford and Cal will be invited to the Big 10

    • @m4ttyp4nts
      @m4ttyp4nts Рік тому

      boo hoo! the pac 10 did its best to kill the big XII. now the script has been flipped. meanwhile, my boys are doing their best to tip the ACC applecart.

    • @morecowbell235
      @morecowbell235 Рік тому

      I grew up watching the PAC as well. The conference blowing up has more to do with population densities and demographics (culture and TV viewership tendencies) than anything else. The PAC cannot make anywhere near what the Big 10 makes, so USC and UCLA bounced.

    • @benitomazzaro6375
      @benitomazzaro6375 Рік тому

      This is exciting. But some of you understand that in 10 to 20 years, there will be another shift with these 2 conferences. The system is not meant to keep these many Schools in a conference happy nowadays.

    • @andrewzonneveld1129
      @andrewzonneveld1129 Рік тому

      @@BSPotter not a chance. Neither of the schools truly care about football. Stadiums are nearly empty and community support is weak. Even with a large population surrounding each school, not many watch on TV. This is about media money, and neither brings much to the table. Their options or a merger with MW or independent.

  • @DKWalser
    @DKWalser Рік тому +15

    It's NOT just about money. It's also about exposure and recruiting. How are the Pac-12 schools supposed to compete with virtually none of their games on national or regional broadcast television? Even if Apple were willing to pay $30 million per school, Pac-12 games would receive virtually no exposure on ABC/ESPN, CBS, NBC, or Fox. It's not just that the games won't be on those networks, its that Pac-12 games would rate barely a mention on SportsCenter (and the NCAAF recap shows on the other networks). You cannot recruit athletes (or students) when your games are played in outer-darkness.
    School presidents care more about how their sports programs help the school recruit top-notch non-athlete students than they care about how much money their sports programs make. Michigan and Ohio get a lot of students from out-of-state. These students pay out-of-state tuition. Right or wrong, universities believe their sports programs are great advertising for their academic brand. The Apple deal does very little to help in this regard.
    I'm NOT saying money isn't important. I'm saying it's NOT the only thing the schools care about.

    • @RNRBeliever
      @RNRBeliever Рік тому

      It's ALL about MONEY! We're in the internet age.....of course the PAC-!2 schools can compete in exposure and recruiting. usc and UCLA left because of MONEY. That's what started this this not to mention a WEAK and PATHETIC former PAC-12 commissioner who did nothing but PAD his pockets with 50 million. HE did NOTHING for the PAC-12.

  • @michaelstephenson3817
    @michaelstephenson3817 Рік тому +11

    Larry Scott is to blame for the demise of the PAC 12

  • @jerrycreecy7855
    @jerrycreecy7855 Рік тому +20

    I say we blame University of Texas for killing two conferences now. The SW Conference and the PAC 12 when they chose the longhorn network over the PAC. 😂

    • @OldSgtsMaj52
      @OldSgtsMaj52 Рік тому +3

      😂 Longhorns to the SEC all part of the Plan... Third Time Will Be The Charm!😂

    • @night_wolf6621
      @night_wolf6621 Рік тому

      The PAC 12 killed the PAC 12 because of their arrogance

    • @morecowbell235
      @morecowbell235 Рік тому +5

      UT is an interesting presence. They have a huge athletic budget but their football program is arguably the most underachieving program in the country.

    • @RJ-fe9pu
      @RJ-fe9pu Рік тому +2

      When you fail as a conference for 2 decades blame Texas 🤨🤔🤦

    • @bobbill950
      @bobbill950 Рік тому +1

      I wouldn’t blame Texas for the fall of the SWC but like the butterfly effect they definitely contributed a bit to the fall of the pac-12 along with Oklahoma.

  • @CB-so8xd
    @CB-so8xd Рік тому +17

    Enter Big 10 and SEC fans obsessed with trying to turn college football into a shitty version of the NFL.

    • @jdwilmoth
      @jdwilmoth Рік тому +5

      Well those two conferences has pretty much been carrying college football for years so what's the big deal?

    • @reverend_wintondupree
      @reverend_wintondupree Рік тому +7

      ​@@jdwilmothAnd pay for play has been part of CFB for half a century. We're now finally coming to reality and calling it what it is and removing all the misconceptions.

    • @jdwilmoth
      @jdwilmoth Рік тому

      @@reverend_wintondupree the times have changed dramatically I'm an Oklahoma Sooner fan and I remember back in the Switzer Days there was a player I can't remember his name that was from New York or somewhere up there in the Northeast but the kid's father passed away and the kid didn't have any way of getting back to his hometown for his father's funeral so in a roundabout way Barry Switzer pay for his plane ticket and his trip to go to his dad's funeral that got Oklahoma slapped with sanctions they wasn't allowed to be on TV for two years or play in the post conference bowl games but now they're allowed to pay these kids hundreds of thousands of dollars if or more then we have the transfer portal. ifa kid doesn't like how a coach talks to them or having to sit on the bench they can just become a free agent
      What's next college teams trading players? Because if they are receiving nil money they should be under contract instead of taking an nil money from one school then leaving them high and dry if the NCAA is going to continue to allow these players to do that maybe the school should be allowed to trade players that should go both ways

    • @tlobrill1
      @tlobrill1 Рік тому +1

      I flip back and forth with this. I like a CFB world where a Washington state has a chance to hire the right guy and recruit well, to make a run at trying for a ship. Yet unless I bet on a team they are playing there is zero chance I’m watching a team like that play when you can gurantee there’s at least 3 other games on more worth watching (unless it’s the last game on of the night). Sucks for the students and alumni but seems tv and what gets viewership is dictating the sport. I’m a Miami fan who loves CFB. I care little about usc vs cal. Cal almost always sucks. Yet usc vs Wisconsin Penn state OSU Michigan, even a Michigan state matchup is more appealing. So while it sort of sucks, selfishly consolidating conferences will give slot more quality football/entertainment than its current format held on mostly by tradition at this point.

    • @averagejoe9249
      @averagejoe9249 Рік тому

      The PAC 12 will rebuild.
      Still regarded as one of the most prestigious conferences

  • @CuddyTG
    @CuddyTG Рік тому +9

    Rip Pac 12... George Kliavkoff's plan had to have been to destroy rhis conference... Not a single positive thing has happened since he took over...

    • @OffGridBackcountryAdventures
      @OffGridBackcountryAdventures Рік тому +1

      I agree, he made horrible decisions.

    • @2299mikey
      @2299mikey Рік тому +2

      Can’t save the conference when the tv companies decide they’re gonna let it die.

    • @Adam-pu6jg
      @Adam-pu6jg Рік тому +1

      George Kliavkoff following in the (mis)footsteps of Larry Scott. Pac12 has sucked for decades

    • @RNRBeliever
      @RNRBeliever Рік тому

      You do mean Larry Scott.....correct? He pocketed 50 million. What did he do? George Kliavkoff
      ...?....was supposed do a miracle.....then usc and ucla take off?

  • @calebclark6696
    @calebclark6696 Рік тому +6

    The administration killed the conference.

    • @2299mikey
      @2299mikey Рік тому +2

      Nah fox realized it’s better business to have Oregon and Washington in the big ten and they were never gonna offer the pac 12 a deal especially after espn didn’t try to make one. Fox and espn will end up paying more than the $200 mill a year Apple offered for all those pac 12 teams in new conferences.

    • @hajime2k
      @hajime2k Рік тому

      Larry Scott set the wheels for destruction. He must have been a planted agent by the Big-10 because he whiffed at opportunities to expand, did not secure good television deals, and gave the impression the conference was too big to fail. He should have known there were unhappy schools in this arrangement. And he should have seen the chaos Texas and Oklahoma caused with their complaints and actions towards the Big-12. UCLA and USC had complained about the media deal for years.

  • @dfivash
    @dfivash Рік тому +2

    It all started with OU and Texas leaving to the SEC. USC and UCLA saw what was happening to leave to the Big 10

    • @W.TX806
      @W.TX806 Рік тому

      It kind of all started when Arkansas left the SWC to help the SEC get the very first huge TV contract... but I know what you're saying.

  • @JackF99
    @JackF99 Рік тому +1

    I hope the dilution of regional focus in Power 4 conferences go forward has a negative effect on the bottom line.

  • @thenestcpd
    @thenestcpd Рік тому +3

    What a mess and what a disaster this has turned into. You could say in the last 3 days. But it's really been building up for the past year or longer.
    I mean, what a lack of any leadership and any vision at all. They came up with nothing and Should be embarrassed, by the way, this was handled and presented to the schools I mean embarrassed !!
    From Texas wanting to join and bring schools with him probably 10 years ago but because of the Longhorn Network it didn't work out the Pac-12 could never get out of its own way.
    Now look at the chaos this has turned into Lord knows how it's all going to turn out but I sure am happy to see Colorado jump ship

  • @KittyPurrfect100
    @KittyPurrfect100 Рік тому +1

    There are more people in the Midwest and Eastern half of USA. Other than big cities out west, population is far less with more wide open spaces. Looks like SEC is going to add UNLV, Hawaii, SDSU, Boise State to keep up then play some games in Germany, France, UK to compete and break even.

    • @alexlevingston
      @alexlevingston 9 місяців тому

      I definitely agree with more people in the east and the Midwest. We are legit on this side of the country. 😂😂😂😂

  • @MichaelLong-o7d
    @MichaelLong-o7d Рік тому +1

    I am so tried of hearing about the poor pac12 and how other conferences are stealing their teams. I remember when they(pac12) took Colorado and then wanted texas and oklahoma but in pac12 eyes that was ok. Now it has come around to bite them and all i hear is how unfair it is.

    • @alexlevingston
      @alexlevingston 9 місяців тому

      Unfortunately this is the end for the Pac-12 because they refuse to sign media deals and TV contracts.

  • @alfonsogreen2722
    @alfonsogreen2722 Рік тому +1

    I hate these conference realignments

    • @alfonsogreen2722
      @alfonsogreen2722 Рік тому

      I'd rather have transfer portals than conference realignments

  • @matthewlab3834
    @matthewlab3834 Рік тому +1

    Yes. It is about greed. The fans and student-athletes at USC, UCLA, UO and UW all lose, and badly. The four corner schools to the BIG12 makes some sense.

  • @Willworld.
    @Willworld. Рік тому

    I gave the NCAA 10 more years but now it’s looking like 3-4 years when they completely get shut out.. The tv deal’s basically was the nail in the coffin for struggling conferences and the NCAA

  • @JMARTIN1947
    @JMARTIN1947 Рік тому

    If Stanford would leave, Cal would have a chance to win the conference!!! Go Bears!!!

  • @JC-gt3xv
    @JC-gt3xv Рік тому

    Why even have conferences? Transfer portal, NIL and teams changing conferences all the time will ruin college football as we know it

  • @coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13
    @coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13 Рік тому +4

    They HAVE TO be intentionally dissolving the conference. Adding schools like SMU, SDSU, and even UNLV add tv markets that could drive up the tv deal money.

    • @tlobrill1
      @tlobrill1 Рік тому +4

      Lol

    • @DB-rw9ld
      @DB-rw9ld Рік тому +5

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @2299mikey
      @2299mikey Рік тому

      No they wouldn’t. Nobody cares about those schools. Market size doesn’t matter. It only matters for the big 10 and sec networks and only top tier markets like nyc and la

    • @VorlonAngel
      @VorlonAngel Рік тому +3

      Uhm no they don't.🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @night_wolf6621
      @night_wolf6621 Рік тому +2

      If that was true they would’ve added them when the LA schools left

  • @glenthomason1428
    @glenthomason1428 Рік тому +5

    I say go for Oregon St. and Utah and let AZ St. Boil in their juices.

    • @Mr.KyleRichey
      @Mr.KyleRichey Рік тому

      It’s Utah and ASU

    • @eliyale99
      @eliyale99 Рік тому

      AMEN

    • @sorney98
      @sorney98 Рік тому +2

      Only schools I leave is Stanford and California. Big 12 get the rest, get Washington State and Oregon State but chances are won't happen

  • @the_flushjackson
    @the_flushjackson Рік тому +3

    Told you so last summer. Oregon and UW to B1G. Don’t @ me nerds.

    • @m4ttyp4nts
      @m4ttyp4nts Рік тому

      it's true! i fact-checked the log of @flushjackson9545's predictions and he nailed this one! he's a genius.

    • @mattriley2532
      @mattriley2532 Рік тому

      @flushjackson9545 I just wanted to @ you for the giggles of it. 😂 Good call.

  • @MikeyIce74
    @MikeyIce74 Рік тому +2

    Is this the Death nail for the Pac 8 and ACC

  • @user-do4ue7di7h
    @user-do4ue7di7h Рік тому

    Utah is the only relevant football program added. This is a basketball conference

  • @averagejoe9249
    @averagejoe9249 Рік тому +1

    There was supposed to be an alliance to stop this crud

    • @hajime2k
      @hajime2k Рік тому +2

      And NATO had a verbal agreement with Russia not to add members after the Cold War ended too.
      The pact you described was only proposed and never agreed to. And it did not involve the Big-12.

    • @W.TX806
      @W.TX806 Рік тому

      Another sound bite that makes GK look like a complete idiot.

  • @gumball466
    @gumball466 Рік тому +2

    Thank you George, you really f'd up.
    Man o man did the Pac12 screw up hiring you.
    R.I.P. PAC12😢

  • @marcgorecki6455
    @marcgorecki6455 Рік тому

    More than that

  • @varrick1226
    @varrick1226 Рік тому +1

    Don't take ASU or Utah they dragged their feet make em' pay. Take Memphis and Pitt

    • @paulmcquerry6815
      @paulmcquerry6815 Рік тому

      I agree. Get eastern schools for UCF.

    • @user-vi5vd3ty9d
      @user-vi5vd3ty9d Рік тому +1

      Asu is the largest school in the nation. It makes sense to take them over Memphis and Pitt. Ridiculous take.

    • @hajime2k
      @hajime2k Рік тому +2

      Phoenix is a huge market and ASU has a large student body to go with excellent academics. Geographically it also makes sense to grab Utah which has a good football program. UW and UO were never in the cards, Cal and Stanford will gamble on getting to Big 10. Washington St. is in rural area and Oregon St. has always been the orphan child in the state.

    • @night_wolf6621
      @night_wolf6621 Рік тому +1

      Why would they take Memphis over ASU? ASU can bring in money to the conference

    • @storybookcabin
      @storybookcabin Рік тому +1

      The TV deal they have says equal share for Power 5 teams added. So ASU & Utah get an equal share and cost the BIGXII nothing. If they added Memphis that would divide up the pie for all the other schools. Not likely. As for Pitt, no one has figured out that ridiculous GOR yet...

  • @ryant2412
    @ryant2412 Рік тому

    Only two conferences in the futur

  • @crimsonpride9975
    @crimsonpride9975 Рік тому

    Who even cares? The Pac-12 has been irrelevant for decades.

    • @W.TX806
      @W.TX806 Рік тому +1

      A lot of people do care, and I feel for them.

  • @debbieelder5140
    @debbieelder5140 Рік тому +2

    College football has two conferences.

    • @chirocket4791
      @chirocket4791 Рік тому

      Big time cfb has 2 conferences.

    • @john-mc4zo
      @john-mc4zo Рік тому +1

      ​@@chirocket4791yeah but inless the ACC pulls a shocker in court we have 3 for awille

    • @erock2494
      @erock2494 Рік тому +6

      In this world, we celebrate 1st 2nd and 3rd. As long as big 12 is on that award potium, those teams are safe. There will be the big two, but the big 12 is positioned to get a bronze metal and be recognized with the other two finishers.

    • @2299mikey
      @2299mikey Рік тому

      @@john-mc4zonobody cares about the ACC right now so they definitely won’t care in 2024 when the new B1G and sec start

    • @RJ-fe9pu
      @RJ-fe9pu Рік тому

      Pac and acc should consolidate