The Pac-12 Is All but Dead | Conference Realignment | Pac-12 | Big Ten
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
- David Smoak and Paul Catalina discuss a timeline from a wild 24 hours in college football realignment, what went down with the Pac-12, Oregon and Washington are headed to the big Ten, and Arizona is headed to the Big 12.
With David Smoak & Paul Catalina
PAC-12 is in its last year of existence! Due to the Commissioner and Administration!
Exactly. Don’t blame any of the schools. This is all on the commissioner and his bad management.
@@ChristisKing117I’m sorry but USC and UCLA still deserve blame for chasing the bag and forcing all the other schools into a prisoner’s dilemma. Larry Scott and his enablers were the root of all of this but don’t forget that the LA schools were the ones that left first.
@@bobbobson8087 UCLA and USC saw the writing on the wall and made the jump. There is a reason why San Diego State went back to the MWC. They know the PAC-12 is on life support. Washington State, Cal, Oregon State and Stanford have to join another conference or go Independent.
@@therealdarrell282 my bet is 2 if not all of the 4 teams left go to the ACC but I could be wrong.
@@bobbill950 that could absolutely happen, but that's going to be so impractical, travel-wise. Not that Big Ten - Los Angeles is ideal, but at least you have some Mid West schools in play there... Whereas, the ACCs are all East Coast, sans Notre Dame and Louisville. Would be a logistical challenge to pull that off.
OMG, I can't stay away from watching after getting off work. Thanks, guys!
Mind blowing. Grew up in the Bay Area watching great Rose Bowls with Cal, UCLA, Stanford USC and the like. There is absolutely nothing the Pac-12 can do about this. They have been aggressively poached and left for dead. Stanford and Cal have been my favorite schools (grew up in San Jose) and there will be no football in 2025. They are too proud to go to the MW (much less money and deprecated recruiting), and nobody else wants them. Stanford will certainly try to do a Notre Dame and go independent, but they just don't have the same mystique, especially when ND's OZ curtain is being pulled back. Yes, we can blame it on the financial woes of some schools, but that can be repaired to keep things going. They left for the carrots being dangled before them plain and simple.
there is still a solid chance Stanford and Cal will be invited to the Big 10
boo hoo! the pac 10 did its best to kill the big XII. now the script has been flipped. meanwhile, my boys are doing their best to tip the ACC applecart.
I grew up watching the PAC as well. The conference blowing up has more to do with population densities and demographics (culture and TV viewership tendencies) than anything else. The PAC cannot make anywhere near what the Big 10 makes, so USC and UCLA bounced.
This is exciting. But some of you understand that in 10 to 20 years, there will be another shift with these 2 conferences. The system is not meant to keep these many Schools in a conference happy nowadays.
@@BSPotter not a chance. Neither of the schools truly care about football. Stadiums are nearly empty and community support is weak. Even with a large population surrounding each school, not many watch on TV. This is about media money, and neither brings much to the table. Their options or a merger with MW or independent.
It's NOT just about money. It's also about exposure and recruiting. How are the Pac-12 schools supposed to compete with virtually none of their games on national or regional broadcast television? Even if Apple were willing to pay $30 million per school, Pac-12 games would receive virtually no exposure on ABC/ESPN, CBS, NBC, or Fox. It's not just that the games won't be on those networks, its that Pac-12 games would rate barely a mention on SportsCenter (and the NCAAF recap shows on the other networks). You cannot recruit athletes (or students) when your games are played in outer-darkness.
School presidents care more about how their sports programs help the school recruit top-notch non-athlete students than they care about how much money their sports programs make. Michigan and Ohio get a lot of students from out-of-state. These students pay out-of-state tuition. Right or wrong, universities believe their sports programs are great advertising for their academic brand. The Apple deal does very little to help in this regard.
I'm NOT saying money isn't important. I'm saying it's NOT the only thing the schools care about.
It's ALL about MONEY! We're in the internet age.....of course the PAC-!2 schools can compete in exposure and recruiting. usc and UCLA left because of MONEY. That's what started this this not to mention a WEAK and PATHETIC former PAC-12 commissioner who did nothing but PAD his pockets with 50 million. HE did NOTHING for the PAC-12.
Larry Scott is to blame for the demise of the PAC 12
I say we blame University of Texas for killing two conferences now. The SW Conference and the PAC 12 when they chose the longhorn network over the PAC. 😂
😂 Longhorns to the SEC all part of the Plan... Third Time Will Be The Charm!😂
The PAC 12 killed the PAC 12 because of their arrogance
UT is an interesting presence. They have a huge athletic budget but their football program is arguably the most underachieving program in the country.
When you fail as a conference for 2 decades blame Texas 🤨🤔🤦
I wouldn’t blame Texas for the fall of the SWC but like the butterfly effect they definitely contributed a bit to the fall of the pac-12 along with Oklahoma.
Enter Big 10 and SEC fans obsessed with trying to turn college football into a shitty version of the NFL.
Well those two conferences has pretty much been carrying college football for years so what's the big deal?
@@jdwilmothAnd pay for play has been part of CFB for half a century. We're now finally coming to reality and calling it what it is and removing all the misconceptions.
@@reverend_wintondupree the times have changed dramatically I'm an Oklahoma Sooner fan and I remember back in the Switzer Days there was a player I can't remember his name that was from New York or somewhere up there in the Northeast but the kid's father passed away and the kid didn't have any way of getting back to his hometown for his father's funeral so in a roundabout way Barry Switzer pay for his plane ticket and his trip to go to his dad's funeral that got Oklahoma slapped with sanctions they wasn't allowed to be on TV for two years or play in the post conference bowl games but now they're allowed to pay these kids hundreds of thousands of dollars if or more then we have the transfer portal. ifa kid doesn't like how a coach talks to them or having to sit on the bench they can just become a free agent
What's next college teams trading players? Because if they are receiving nil money they should be under contract instead of taking an nil money from one school then leaving them high and dry if the NCAA is going to continue to allow these players to do that maybe the school should be allowed to trade players that should go both ways
I flip back and forth with this. I like a CFB world where a Washington state has a chance to hire the right guy and recruit well, to make a run at trying for a ship. Yet unless I bet on a team they are playing there is zero chance I’m watching a team like that play when you can gurantee there’s at least 3 other games on more worth watching (unless it’s the last game on of the night). Sucks for the students and alumni but seems tv and what gets viewership is dictating the sport. I’m a Miami fan who loves CFB. I care little about usc vs cal. Cal almost always sucks. Yet usc vs Wisconsin Penn state OSU Michigan, even a Michigan state matchup is more appealing. So while it sort of sucks, selfishly consolidating conferences will give slot more quality football/entertainment than its current format held on mostly by tradition at this point.
The PAC 12 will rebuild.
Still regarded as one of the most prestigious conferences
Rip Pac 12... George Kliavkoff's plan had to have been to destroy rhis conference... Not a single positive thing has happened since he took over...
I agree, he made horrible decisions.
Can’t save the conference when the tv companies decide they’re gonna let it die.
George Kliavkoff following in the (mis)footsteps of Larry Scott. Pac12 has sucked for decades
You do mean Larry Scott.....correct? He pocketed 50 million. What did he do? George Kliavkoff
...?....was supposed do a miracle.....then usc and ucla take off?
The administration killed the conference.
Nah fox realized it’s better business to have Oregon and Washington in the big ten and they were never gonna offer the pac 12 a deal especially after espn didn’t try to make one. Fox and espn will end up paying more than the $200 mill a year Apple offered for all those pac 12 teams in new conferences.
Larry Scott set the wheels for destruction. He must have been a planted agent by the Big-10 because he whiffed at opportunities to expand, did not secure good television deals, and gave the impression the conference was too big to fail. He should have known there were unhappy schools in this arrangement. And he should have seen the chaos Texas and Oklahoma caused with their complaints and actions towards the Big-12. UCLA and USC had complained about the media deal for years.
It all started with OU and Texas leaving to the SEC. USC and UCLA saw what was happening to leave to the Big 10
It kind of all started when Arkansas left the SWC to help the SEC get the very first huge TV contract... but I know what you're saying.
I hope the dilution of regional focus in Power 4 conferences go forward has a negative effect on the bottom line.
What a mess and what a disaster this has turned into. You could say in the last 3 days. But it's really been building up for the past year or longer.
I mean, what a lack of any leadership and any vision at all. They came up with nothing and Should be embarrassed, by the way, this was handled and presented to the schools I mean embarrassed !!
From Texas wanting to join and bring schools with him probably 10 years ago but because of the Longhorn Network it didn't work out the Pac-12 could never get out of its own way.
Now look at the chaos this has turned into Lord knows how it's all going to turn out but I sure am happy to see Colorado jump ship
There are more people in the Midwest and Eastern half of USA. Other than big cities out west, population is far less with more wide open spaces. Looks like SEC is going to add UNLV, Hawaii, SDSU, Boise State to keep up then play some games in Germany, France, UK to compete and break even.
I definitely agree with more people in the east and the Midwest. We are legit on this side of the country. 😂😂😂😂
I am so tried of hearing about the poor pac12 and how other conferences are stealing their teams. I remember when they(pac12) took Colorado and then wanted texas and oklahoma but in pac12 eyes that was ok. Now it has come around to bite them and all i hear is how unfair it is.
Unfortunately this is the end for the Pac-12 because they refuse to sign media deals and TV contracts.
I hate these conference realignments
I'd rather have transfer portals than conference realignments
Yes. It is about greed. The fans and student-athletes at USC, UCLA, UO and UW all lose, and badly. The four corner schools to the BIG12 makes some sense.
I gave the NCAA 10 more years but now it’s looking like 3-4 years when they completely get shut out.. The tv deal’s basically was the nail in the coffin for struggling conferences and the NCAA
If Stanford would leave, Cal would have a chance to win the conference!!! Go Bears!!!
Why even have conferences? Transfer portal, NIL and teams changing conferences all the time will ruin college football as we know it
They HAVE TO be intentionally dissolving the conference. Adding schools like SMU, SDSU, and even UNLV add tv markets that could drive up the tv deal money.
Lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No they wouldn’t. Nobody cares about those schools. Market size doesn’t matter. It only matters for the big 10 and sec networks and only top tier markets like nyc and la
Uhm no they don't.🤣🤣🤣🤣
If that was true they would’ve added them when the LA schools left
I say go for Oregon St. and Utah and let AZ St. Boil in their juices.
It’s Utah and ASU
AMEN
Only schools I leave is Stanford and California. Big 12 get the rest, get Washington State and Oregon State but chances are won't happen
Told you so last summer. Oregon and UW to B1G. Don’t @ me nerds.
it's true! i fact-checked the log of @flushjackson9545's predictions and he nailed this one! he's a genius.
@flushjackson9545 I just wanted to @ you for the giggles of it. 😂 Good call.
Is this the Death nail for the Pac 8 and ACC
Why would it be the deat knell for the ACC?
@@coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13 You will see, be patient, you will see.
No, its the Death Nell for the Pac-4.
what's a "death nail"?
Utah is the only relevant football program added. This is a basketball conference
There was supposed to be an alliance to stop this crud
And NATO had a verbal agreement with Russia not to add members after the Cold War ended too.
The pact you described was only proposed and never agreed to. And it did not involve the Big-12.
Another sound bite that makes GK look like a complete idiot.
Thank you George, you really f'd up.
Man o man did the Pac12 screw up hiring you.
R.I.P. PAC12😢
2011-2023
More than that
Don't take ASU or Utah they dragged their feet make em' pay. Take Memphis and Pitt
I agree. Get eastern schools for UCF.
Asu is the largest school in the nation. It makes sense to take them over Memphis and Pitt. Ridiculous take.
Phoenix is a huge market and ASU has a large student body to go with excellent academics. Geographically it also makes sense to grab Utah which has a good football program. UW and UO were never in the cards, Cal and Stanford will gamble on getting to Big 10. Washington St. is in rural area and Oregon St. has always been the orphan child in the state.
Why would they take Memphis over ASU? ASU can bring in money to the conference
The TV deal they have says equal share for Power 5 teams added. So ASU & Utah get an equal share and cost the BIGXII nothing. If they added Memphis that would divide up the pie for all the other schools. Not likely. As for Pitt, no one has figured out that ridiculous GOR yet...
Only two conferences in the futur
Who even cares? The Pac-12 has been irrelevant for decades.
A lot of people do care, and I feel for them.
College football has two conferences.
Big time cfb has 2 conferences.
@@chirocket4791yeah but inless the ACC pulls a shocker in court we have 3 for awille
In this world, we celebrate 1st 2nd and 3rd. As long as big 12 is on that award potium, those teams are safe. There will be the big two, but the big 12 is positioned to get a bronze metal and be recognized with the other two finishers.
@@john-mc4zonobody cares about the ACC right now so they definitely won’t care in 2024 when the new B1G and sec start
Pac and acc should consolidate