THE NEW BIG TEN - Divisions, Schedules, Championship
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Here's an idea: how about the last week of the regular season is a flex-game, which will act as the B1G semi final where #2 plays #3 and #1 plays #4. The rivalry week can be the week preceding this. The rest of the teams can be matched up based on seeding: #5 vs #18, #6 vs #17, etc... Or #5 vs #6, #7 vs #8, etc ... OR the remaining matchups can be customized based on who each team hasn't yet played. Just a thought, I'm sure this will have a ton of flaws and criticisms which are welcome, but I'm interested to hear your thoughts on this Mark.
I like this idea, it includes the mini-playoff idea but also gives everyone else a game to play. I prefer it matching it 5v6 so the bottom of the conference can play a game to not be last.
I am sure they will figure out something,B1G did a pretty good job last time overall.
While I like the internal playoff, now you have a playoff before a playoff. That's not going to fly. Big 10 teams are going to be beat up before they even start the NCAA playoff. THIS is why the 12 team playoff is doomed and the NCAA involvement in football is also doomed. Good riddance.
Except 1 or 2 losses doesn't disqualify you for the playoffs, it works in DII and DIII flawlessly. Stop it.
They could just eliminate 1 conference regular season game then on the day of the semifinal pair off teams 5-18 and have them play. That way nobody actually loses a game. I know that’s harder for fans to attend the games, but it’s all based on TV money now and it would be very appealing to the networks.
A. Does anyone remember The Western Athletic Conference (WAC) of The 1990s?
B. The BIG10 is now a ticking time bomb.
C. The BIG10 is committing the same 3 sins that destroyed The Western Athletic Conference (WAC) as a FBS Football Conference.
1. Spread across too many timezones.
A. Central Standard Time.
B. Mountain Standard Time.
C. Pacific Standard Time.
D. Hawaiian Standard Time.
2. High travel cost.
3. Key rivalries not being played every year.
D. The South Eastern Conference (SEC) is a rock.
E. The South Eastern Conference (SEC) got expansion right.
1. They're in only 2 timezones.
A. Central Standard Time.
B. Eastern Standard Time.
2. Low travel cost.
3. Key ravelries can be played every year.
F. To anyone reading my comments. What do you think of my observations?
The biggest drawback for Western schools was the matter of Time Zones. The PAC 12 could have survived had they added Central Time Zone schools like Texas, OU, TCU and OK State... and dropped WSU and Oreg St.
I think the Big 10 is holding out for ND. Then pick up another west coast team and break the conference into 4 divisions of 5 teams.
That would require a collapse of the ACC because ND is contractually obligated to join the ACC if they opt to join a conference.
2 Nine team divisions. You play the division opponents, 2 non conference, then conference bowl seeding. 1vs 1, 2 vs 2,etc. to determine bowl plucking order.
As long as the divisions are composed by seeding teams according to the previous season's results (ie. fluid divisions every season)
This is roughly the same format I proposed before Oregon and Washington joined. The only difference was I was basing this off of the conference going to 20. 4 divisions of 5, with a 4 team playoff for the conference championship.
The B1G has said no Divsions or pods, they're also looking at expanding to 10 conference games. This means the schedule will likely be 3 permanent opponents and a rotation of 7 to get through the other 14. In order to remove anything that resembles a pod or division and provide enough content for their media partners schools will likely only get 1 protected rival so that way the West Coast schools do not just face each other and it will force some of the Eastern and Central schools to play Prime Time games on the West Coast. So it would look something like USC gets UCLA, Nebraska, and Ohio State while UCLA gets USC, Iowa, and Michigan and so on.
10 conference games makes the most sense, with a reshuffle every two years. If the conference stays at 9 games, then each team would need 3 years to rotate through the entire conference. I believe the B10 will try to get as many teams in the playoff as possible so it will follow an SEC mentality and try to avoid the top teams seeing each other to prop up its ranking.
Going to ten games would be fucking stupid espically when the SEC is still only doing 8 conference games going to 10 would make it more difficult for the Big Ten to get several teams in the expanded playoffs@@GBU61
Everybody plays each other....17 games per season....think of all the TV content....TV Corporations will be loving it! Last man standing or even crawling wins the Trophy...death be elimination. The system is either going to get big enough to go back to regional divisions that make sense or do away with some schools and send them to the MAC.
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They should do an East and a west to reduce traveling and they play all their division opponents and cycle the final 1 or two games
Interesting. The thing I think is important is that there may be more teams added. I expect that to happen but we do need to plan for what we know today. Four pods make the most sense.
Like the central division with the Michigan schools vs the Indiana schools. However get rid of the divisions and let all of the teams play each other every other year. Rivalry games happen when they happen making a bigger impact when on the schedule.
Rivalry games are just way too important to college football.
I had commented on another video on realignment and the setup I proposed was the 3 divisions. I had 1 difference though with Minnesota and Iowa being swapped. Iowa is generally a better program than Minnesota, so that would make it more balanced.
I like the 4 pod and mini playoff format, it will do a better job ensuring the best teams end up in the CCG. As for the obvious pushback…. people will say it’s adding another game, so here is how you fix that. They could just eliminate 1 conference regular season game then on the day of the semifinal pair off teams 5-18 and have them play. That way nobody actually loses a game or plays an extra one. I know that’s harder for fans to attend the games on short notice, but it’s all based on TV money now and it would be very appealing to the networks.
I had the same idea. Great minds think alike. Go bucks!
OREGON Duck Fan. Mark, I like your proposal #1. I Hope the Scheduling Committee for the BIG 10 Takes your Ideas.
Appreciate that.
This is the worst decision since Hitler decided to invade the Soviet Union. It ruins the Mid-West, rust belt feel of the conference, while letting in teams that are so far away, travel will be a bitch.
Fwiw I don’t think the b1g will go with divisions/pods. Elite teams will want to go to the west coast for recruiting purposes, travel be damned. Also the networks pay for premium content so they want to broadcast USC vs Michigan Ohio St Penn St more often than divisions will allow.
With the conference currently at 18 teams in any future expansion l can see 20 teams in four divisions of 5 teams. Possible new teams could include NDSU or Notre Dame (1). USC, UCLA, Oregon and UW on the West Coast plus Nebraska or maybe NDSU. NDSU should be move up. A northern Division with Minnesota, NDSU, Wisconsin, NW and MSU. A Central with Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue and Note Dame. Plus an Eastern with Michigan, OSU, Maryland, Rutgers and Penn State.
Teams play 4 games inside their own division. 6 games against 2 teams in each of the other divisions plus 2 open games. The open games could include long standing FSB opponents. ND vs Michigan or USC for example or games against a FSB team in another conference. The opening game could be against a FSC as long as it is a quality program.
Any future expansion should be capped at 24 teams total.
The big problem is of course money.
1) Norte Dame could have been in the Big 10 decades ago but for prejudice on one side and stubbornness on the other.
I don't care about divisions being fair or equitable in reference to the .500 rule you mentioned. The best teams should play for the BIG Championship period. I don't see (or agree with) a BIG playoff at the end of the season either, too many games with the 12 team playoff. I assume there will be at least 2 more additional teams coming, so 2 divisions, but take the 2 best teams based on rank & strength of schedule regardless if they're in the same division or not. Think about it, every team will want a playoff spot and the top 3-4 possibly in the BIG will be one of the 12 teams.
Single division. Only 1 protected rival. By definition a team really only has 1 rival. To be a rival 2 teams have to agree and its a self-evident thing that they say each other is the most important rivalry game they have. Sorry Mich State, Mich does not consider you their most important rival. If a team does not end up with a rival then do what they were going to do (when it looked like a 16 team league) with Penn State except that instead of playing the same 3 teams 2 years in a row you play 1 other team 2 years in a row. That changes every 2 years for teams without a true rival as I described above. Then play 8 other teams in year 1 and the remaining 8 in year 2. You get to play everyone over 2 years and get a home and home with all teams over 4 seasons. Balancing the schedule will be a 2 year ahead process so historical success needs to be considered with the actual records of the past 2 years. Play top 2 records in conf champ game with whatever tie-breakers you may come up with. I think an interesting tie-breaker is the best conference record of 3-4 teams you played.
Terrible ! Why is Wisconsin always in the weakest division. Put Wisconsin with Ohio State, Michigan or some of the better teams.
I understand how these are broken down, but I don’t like the first version. Basically three teams in the west are actually good and one who is okay. The rest of divisions have at least two teams in them that are not great or good it doesn’t seem entirely fair to have divisions have three good teams and one okay team whereas the rest have 1 maybe 2 good teams. The east with Penn State and Ohio State okay. But the Central and the NW are weak… Michigan would run roughshot over that option and the other maybe Wisconsin? There seems to be a lack of competitive balance (Football terms).
Merge the West and NW together and the Central and East together. 2-9 team divisions which better distributes the weaker teams. Yes it is not ideal to have 7 conference games within a division but that is really the only fair way to do it.
I also thought that the west was a tough division, compared to the others.
USC division would be too tough. Michigan's division too easy .
balance of power/geography: (3) divisions: western plains (ucla, usc, washington, oregon, nebraska, iowa: north (michigan msu, wisconsin, minnesota, northwestern, purdue): south (osu, psu, rutgers, illinois, indiana, maryland)
you might want to get a map as Indiana is exactly south of us here in Michigan.
Indiana is directly south of West Michigan. Ohio is directly south of East Michigan
@@terrillistreality2191 I go directly south on 31 to Indianapolis which is in the Middle of Indiana and then SW to Bloomington. You are correct that Detroit is directly north of Columbus. His statement was that they are east of us.
@@erikjohnson9931 his hand gestured that. But I'm from Battle Creek (Calhoun County area code 269)10 minutes west of I-69. Albion(Calhoun County area code 517)3 minutes east of 69. Lansing is the center point in 〽️ichigan which I-69 goes through
Hopefully they get rid of divisions completely. That was the plan before Oregon and Washington.
Get Stanford and ND. 4 5 team pods. Rename Pacific, West, Central, East. 4 division games, then rotate so year 1 Pacific plays West, year 2 Pacific plays Central, year 3 pacific plays East. Then for week 13 conference champs play (Pacific vs Central in year 1, pacific vs East yr2). Everyone else plays corresponding rank in the other division. Week 14 is Championship game. Week 1 and 2 is non conference. Week 8 is bye week for everyone.
Hardest part- getting ND. The carrot is they would be in Central so they could beat michigan and win division.
This way while there are 4 division games and 5 non division games, everyone in each division plays the same teams so that the final ranking is among the same competition- no more Wisconsin not playing OS and Michigan so they have better chance to win their division. Also guarantees new opponent in week 13.
I'm a Michigan fan and alumnus. If ND does not wish to join the BIG, I will not lose sleep over it. They are like the Prom Queen in High School who will find that she cannot snag a date to the Senior Prom because everyone knows that she can introduce a "social disease" into the conference and does not want to catch it.
Combine the west and NW, then combine the central and East.. 2 9 team divisions, 1 champions game. Easy peasy. Go Blue!
just throw 'em all in one big division w/ rotating schedule and keep key rivalries. keep it simple.
That's what I think
3 pods of 6 teams each makes more sense competitive balance also matter so no protected rivalries. With the 3 pod system you separate UCLA and USC, Washington and Oregon.
I like this Mark. Great video.
Appreciate that.
Options 1 and 2 are probably the best. This is something I hope these conferences take into account when they look to add teams?
You Seem very fair in your assessments. When they get things right, they can be a real powerhouse, like their national championship team and their win against Oklahoma in the Orange bowl. but, with Willingham, they were detestable.
I would like Rutgers and Maryland to have an honest assessment and admit they are not rivals.
I would like Rutgers and Maryland to leave the big ten. Tv market or not. They literally added two bottom feeders.
No to divisions
No title game to add a tenth conference game while allowing three non conference games
Just have co champs and use highest CFP team as tiebreaker for bye
Yes pods
Yes protected rivalries
Yes .500 schedules
add fsu and Clemson got to 20. 4 divisions of 5...play your 4 division opponents plus one other division (5games) which alternate yearly and if you want one traditional rivalry-- 10 total games. You wound ensure having played entire conference every 3 yr cycle
I like the 1-8-8 format then top 4 seeds for conference champ.
I wonder how the big10 will stand up against the SEC with these new teams and what kind of impact they will make in the big10 will these new teams just get destroyed by Ohio state and Michigan like the rest of them
60% of the top 10 is currently either Big10 teams or teams that are soon to be big ten.
No more playing Rutgers, Maryland every year for the Buckeyes!!!!
3 Divisions BUT I’d put IL NW in the West to travel from OHare -
AND ROTATE ONE pair of IN/PU WI/MN IA/NE - into the East every 2 years.
Or include IL/NW IA/NE into a WC rotation and IN/PU WI/MN into an EC rotation -
1st TIE BREAK - team that beat the highest seed of top 3!! Then eliminate losses to #1 seed #2 until settled.
This is a really great idea. I like the divisions. #1.
Option 1 is the best and generates more money!
Right now i wouldnt do divisions i would just play a rotating schedule to keep as many rivalries alive and well untill we know whats going on in the acc.
I think the big ten will eventually expand to 22 teams. Hopefully ckemson, fsu, miami, notre dame. At that point i would go back to east west divisions (west) Oregon, Washington, USC, UCLA, Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin purdue, north western, Iowa,notre dame, (east) Michigan, Michigan st, ohio state, Indiana, Illinois, penn state, rutgers, Maryland, clemson, fsu, miami. Thats 11 confrence games one out of confrence and a big ten championship. Washington could still play the apple bowl clemson could still play south Carolina and everyone else's rivalry is in the confrence
There will not be pods or divisions. The only question in a divisionless format with so many teams is will there still be 9 games or do they expand to 10 conference games. Either way in football, the goal is to at least play every other team home and away in a four year span.
Only travel consideration is not going a long distance on the road 2 weeks in a row.
they need to make sure USC and UCLA have to play in the north during the winter as well. From the looks of the schedule they have made it a cakewalk for the 2 newly joining teams.
what are you talking about, a cakewalk? theyve got to travel across country weekend after weekend after weekend, and every other year theyll be up in southbend Indiana. If you honestly think people from SoCal are afriad of snow just a little FYI, most SoCal kids know how snowboard and not surf because we get snow every year; might be worse from northeastern kid having to play in 100 degree weather then SoCal kids who play in rain everytime they went to one of the 4 teams up north, and also Colorado and Utah regularly get snow just as much as in PA (plus tornados in Colorado) so wont be as big of a shock as you think itll be
@@CameronKirkendoll-jv6vk so going snowboarding is the same as playing football in 5 degree weather? Wtf are you talking about! I’m a northerner and a Canadian, we dress completely different when snowboarding or skiing instead of running on turf with gear on! Check their upcoming schedules and they didn’t book any late season games in the north. The PAC12 might as well been the pac4 all along as most of their teams were never contenders on the big stage…hence no big TV contracts. Stop being a homer and realize that there was a reason your league folded.
@@CameronKirkendoll-jv6vk I would also like to add, my father lived in corona Ca for 30 years…during the fall it rarely hit 100 when the Big10 teams would tend to play each other in October/November.
Cold in East ain't the same as cold in the West
@CameronKirkendoll-jv6vk bro, there are levels to this West coast. Winters aren't shit compared to the North and East coast
Slide Purdue and Northwestern over to the B1G East and add the four new PAC 12 teams to the B1G West. This is the simplest solution. Keeping it this way will make future expansion easier. This is the best logistical solution in the short and long term.
How do you schedule? Nine teams in a division means only one game vs the other division.
@@MarkRogersVOCFBthat’s not a problem. That extra game is just that an extra conference game. It doesn’t have to count against your inter-division record.
@@chucknola484 I don't think you're following. Teams would only play teams in the other division once every nine years. Not feasible.
@@MarkRogersVOCFB ok I see what you mean. Yeah my idea wouldn’t work because you’d basically have two separate conferences.
But Northwestern wouldn’t be in the Northwest, and Michigan are the champions of the West.
LOL! Yeah, Michigan was the West when the Victors was written in 1898. Funny isn't it?
As a Pac 8/10/12 fan in Los Angeles County, please don't isolate Pac 12 teams alone in their own division. To build new rivalries and interest in other teams we need to have other teams in our division to watch throughout the season.
I actually look forward to learning more about the Illinois, Wisconsin, Purdue, etc. I gotta say, any middle aged Pac 8/10 fan already knows quite a bit about the Big10 due to the historic rivalry between the two conferences. We kept track of the Big10 to see who would slug it out at the end of the year at the Rose Bowl.
I'm sorry to see the Pac-12 go, but, if it had to go to any particular conference, I'm greatful it is the Big 10. Now let's go save Wash St. and Oregon St.. They are small schools that punch way above their weight and on any given saturday can shock the heck out of a conference. Oh well, it's just a dream at this point.
It’s only three games out of nine.
@MarkRogersVOCFB Sorry, I'm not sure what to make of your response. What part of my post are you referring to?
@@fcon2002 Only three divisions games vs nine total in conference.
It's only 3 games as Mark noted... But could you imagine traveling across country every other week 5 times every year? Brutal
@MarkRogersVOCFB Yup, I understand that. But, what I mean is that it would be more interesting to follow them vying for a divisional champion position if it included more teams than WA, OR, UCLA.
Yawn. Worst take on the new Big Ten yet.
They really need to add Stanford and cal to make the west something short of a murderer's row.
Under the current format of the “Big 10”, I agree that the first scenario of 4 divisions would work best. However, we both know that the format will change in terms of the amount of teams that are in the league. I’m all for subtracting Northwestern and Rutgers and adding ND and Miami and then get FSU and Clemson.
NW and Rutgers are Chicago and NY. Never happen.
@@sumdude4281 do you really think that the people of NYC are really interested in watching Rutgers football?? 😂😂😂 Do you really believe that people in Chicago are more interested in NW football than ND football??😂😂😂 I guarantee that more people are interested in watching ND football and football in general in the state of Florida than people watching the two abysmal programs of NW and Rutgers. If Miami and ND gets enough money and the right coach it will be way more profitable for the “Big 10” than anything that Rutgers or NW can!! Guaranteed!!
2 divisions West and East
Travel should never be a consideration for football in the B1G
A BIG10 playoff? Are you kidding? It took decades to get a playoff in NCAA, now you think the BIG10 should have a playoff, before the playoffs? Insane, will never happen. You also neglected to factor in travel. You r way could have some teams travelling a few hundred miled each year, while other teams travel thousands of miles, again, not going to happen.
Would you predict maybe 11 regular season games to make up for the added B1G playoff game?
I prefer your second option but limit every team to a maximum of one protected rivalry game. Iowa doesn't deserve special treatment - when you have as many "rivalries" as they claim to have, you really don't have any.
Please don't put Nebraska and Iowa in a division with the west
In the three division idea your geography is bad. Iowa city is well east of Minneapolis by over 100 miles. Don't use the Mississippi River as the boundary it runs diagonally eastward from Minnesota.
That's not what I was doing. I wanted to keep certain teams together.
Indiana and Purdue get the central. They both are not geographically west than Michigan and Michigan st. Put Wolverine and Sparty East
Go to 10 conference games and Play a 3-7-7 format. Top two go to the B1G championship
There are rumors of a 10 game Conference, which will change everything. As for divisions here is the problem. Last year Purdue won the West with an 8-4 record. Penn State was 3rd in the East ( losing to Ohio State and Michigan but beating Purdue in West Lafayette). What do you do?
I'd tell PSU to win their division.
Hate to say this because it Drew’s my team but east west is still the best modal
I'm just calling it the Big X!!! X is often used as variable in Math and is also the Roman numeral for ten... so since it's always changeing this honors Big 10 heritage but also accounts for more than ten teams ( kinda stupid, makes it look like college people can't count) " Big X" and "Big X Conference" and "The Big X Conference" as well as any variables of punctuation, spaceing , capitalization and variables on spellings are owned and copywrited By Resolute farms industries. You gotta pay to play, .10¢ a t-shirt... ah greed.
You would have to get rid of OOC games.
Cmon, tell us how wonderful osu is
Best winning percentage of all-time and the last 20 years. Good place to start.
Eventually will be big 10 and sec with a playoff between the two champions everyone else is out
On It's Way to 20 Teams and Then 24 Teams! 🤗
B1G National Conference.
I can’t stand to hear the word divisions or pods
Until the are more than 20 members, there should only be 2 divisions.
Why the f*** is bigten still called bigten. It hasnt had 10 teams since penn state joined in 1990. It needs a new name. Like heartland conference or something like that.
The BIG now expands from Coast to Coast so how about the Continental Conference?. We can really get on people's nerves and call the three divisions to Pacific /Western Division, Midwest Division, and Eastern or Atlantic Division. :)
Sounds O.K. but Never Ever use Equity to describe .500 record!!! Otherwise Go Woke Go Broke!!! 👎💩🤡 🙏 Revival
ELIMINATE RIVALRY GAMES ALTOGETHER!!!!!!
THE GAME drew in 17 million tv households last year. That is a huge number. No other College Regular season game came close. Michigan Ohio State needs to be the anchor game played at 12:00 noon on Thanksgiving Saturday,. It makes the conference too much money.
Penn State.....UNRIVALED!!
NOBODY even comes close!
For what? Seriously. For what?
Pittsburgh
What about two divisions ???
You’d never play anyone in the other division.
@@MarkRogersVOCFB Very good point… For what it is worth, your idea of a mini-playoff 1-4, 2-3 however that is accomplished is fantastic. The SEC model looks like they will be eliminating divisions all together in 2024, but without at least four teams making some sort of SEC tournament like you have suggested, the Big10 would dominate with much more excitement and much more additional TV revenue.
Option #2 ...at least Penn State gets to upset the Poison Chestnuts every year......and get some practice games
*gets a chance to. Because they lose pretty much every year unless they block a punt or something.
Geographic over record.
No divisions.
2 divisions
Go to 10 conference games...or better yet why not 11
play everybody twice...think of all the extra games...more than the nfl....every week for 52 weeks
The more conference games, the better
No divisions
Yes pods
Yes protected rivalries
Yes .500 schedule
New CFP format incentives leagues to have as many 10-2 teams as possible
9-3 is close to at large elimination if you look at historic rankings