Choosing a Family-Friendly Bluewater Sailboat | S05E10
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
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What makes a Bluewater Sailboat? Why haven’t we looked at catamarans or modern production boats? Are we limiting our options too much by only looking at fin keel boats with fully skegged rudders? Why aren’t we looking at BIGGER boats? We’ll dive into all of these questions and more in this week’s episode. We’ll also go over the pros and cons of our top two boat choices for Atticus II, a Valiant 42 or a Pacific Seacraft 40. After watching this episode, be sure to participate in our poll to let us know which boat you prefer here: / projectatticus
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Hi guys, I am not a sailor but a husband and father. So my only advice is when it comes to livinig with you wife and kids in a confined space. The most important thing is... tada ... a happy wife. So go with Valiant 42. I am enjoying your channel. Kind regads from Germany
I absolutely 100% agree on that one XD.
Happy wife, happy life
Terrible advice...women are never happy long term with simps. Lead your woman bro, you decide what’s best for your family. IMHO
Do what you can to make your wife happy. If it's not for the best be prepared to say why it's not and give alternatives. It's worked for me for over 32 years.
Honestly if we try to see things in real, they do need to talk that usualy solves all problems or most fo them at least :)
YALL KILLIN IT!!!!! THE WEALTH OF INFO IN THESE NEW VIDS IS EXPONENTIAL!!!! THE INTERVIEWS/ADVICE YOU PUT TOGETHER FROM THE EXPERTS IS UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! GOOD LUCK.... LUVYALL!!!
It almost saddened me that this series is over, I've learned so much and have taken so many notes. Stay safe Project Atticus!
Your boat is your home. It is your house. Houses have spirits. Think back to when you were aboard the boats and remember what the boat said to you. Remember your feelings and go with the one that spoke directly to your heart. This is how I've purchased the different houses I have lived in and have had wonderful happy experiences in all of them. Be well stay safe.
Jordan...I've never been more serious: KEEP MOM COMFORTABLE. What She is willing to go through to provide you a family is a much bigger thing than we can even comprehend.
Then buy an apartment on land ;)
"Boker, I hardly know her" :) Killing it Dez :) Miss y'all and we've enjoyed following the boat hunt! So fun! And we love Mr. Jackets :)
Simone’s husband Paul here . Wow , what a great problem you have . There is a 30,000 dollar difference, but over twenty years and ten’s of thousands of miles sailing that will mater little by then !
Jordan , you can sail any boat , but I can’t help but feel you will be happier sailing the boat your wife love the most .
I am frugal by nature , but if you are to keep this boat as long as you think , then the Valiant and it’s build will repay you in the end .
On an emotional level , buy the boat your wife loves , you will never regret it . She has been there through it all and , making her happy will truly make you feel the best in the end !
Awesome video and enjoyed is so much !
it matters little.
"A boat you believe in is your ticket to freedom" -John Kretschmer... truer words were never spoken!
@Gus Erland I have never seen so much planning for possible/probable future events and they are making so many assumptions about how their kids will want to share space. I hope that their children are perfect, because so much has been thought out for them already.
Sorry... disagree.
The size of the WALLET determines your freedom ticket!🤔
I'd pick the PS40 for the protected prop and the big salon.
Saloon. Salon is where you get your hair styled.
And its 30 grand less... always a factor.. and in super good shape.
You guys have evolved into one of the best UA-cam sailing channels on the planet...your pieces to camera are so well done and informative and are a testimony to your intellect, your ability to articulate in an effective, meaningful and pleasant manner and bring your viewers into your inner circle. Bravo and congratulations...can't wait for the exciting boat choice and upcoming sailing episodes. Woohoo👍
@@philandlyndachristieson8808 Envious?
Hi guys. I’ve been really impressed with your series on buying your next boat. You are thoughtful and well organized (something I appreciate in these kinds of activities) but the most impressive bit is how gracious you have been. A lot of participants made this series work. Good production. Thanks for sharing your adventure.
worth the wait...congrats on coming to the end of this process. As much as I/we cant wait to see what you chose, I cant imagine the anticipation yall feel to finally live, and sail on the boat you chose. Looking forward to the live stream....God Bless yall!
I love this adventure. Congratulations to both of you for chasing your dreams and building a life that others can live through vicariously.
Pacific seacraft guys!!!!!! It's perfect for you both.. Ps without realising I've sat and watched this in one of your t's, made me chuckle :)
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I must say, this boat hunting series has been very interesting. I am sad it is nearly over.
Hi Buds, based on your own critera I'd go for the PS40: 1) Computer/nav stn much better suited to your needs, and videos produced here are important sources of income; 2) deck layout is handier and has safety features that will protect you in the inevitable big blows you encounter at sea; 3) a roomy main salon that provides a safe place for little kids to play; 4) an extra $30k in the bank is a nice buffer against unexpected expenses. Good luck, whatever your choice.
Cool to see you draw in SV Delos and Rand sailing channels. I follow them as well as your channel.
I can't wait to see what you guys pick, any of those choices will work!
These videos are so interesting and entertaining.
I keep nudging my wife to see what she thinks about cruising. She keeps reminding me that everything I know about sailing is just what I've seen on this channel. lol
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Great episode of comparing PS40 vs V42, and of bringing in wonderful mentors! So many helpful tips and insights in this one.
I love that lighting in this video! Anyway, good luck choosing your next boat.. I know you'll be happy with your decision.
Another week? Y’all are killing me! I am OLD! I could pass before the “reveal”. I guess I now have some incentive to hang on until Wednesday. Sign me .... waiting. ☺️
I have a hard time believing you would want to do anything differently vis a vis deciding to buy Atticus. You became top-notch semi-pro refitters, sewers, and filmographers, detailing an arduous but ultimately successful refit of a first cruising boat. By choosing the hard way you earned the respect and following you have today. I can't help but think that if you had somehow taken the shortcut of borrowing more money for a larger and newer boat your channel might not be the success it is today, and you might still be on that "better" boat, but with a much smaller channel/fanbase.
Wow, what a great episode! I am so excited for you and I look forward to following your adventures on the new boat. I have to say though, I will shed a tear when you have to let Atticus go. I feel I have grown alongside of you and learned so much about life aboard a boat. Watching you both learn to do repairs, grow in your relationship, and the fantastic people you have met along the way. Thank you for bringing my along for the ride. Much love Buds!
I can’t wait for y’all to sail again!!
I'd rather score points with "she who must be obeyed" than the old man...lol... It is really a very hard decision both have awesome qualities, but one major factor and as one who likes to cook the Valiant 42 has a large galley with a good amount of working space and sink(s) for cleaning as you cook. I'm more concerned about the engines lack of power, personally I'd pull it in favour of a Yanmar xx that can easily move you along, is serviceable anywhere in the world and more power in this case might mean less fuel consumption and wear and tear on the engine and components. But the rigging and deck of the Pacific 40 is perfect and the wood very sexy.... and it has the Yanmar engine.... if only the two could be amalgamated.... The curse of the choosing and the blessing is that you cannot go wrong either way and either way it's a blessing.
So well done guys.... So thoughtful and clearly presented. Thanks......
The people that you get advice from to find your perfect boat is top quality. I'm glad you're sharing this in detail. Thanks so much.
Pacific Seacraft 40: Attractive deck, safe at sea, comfortable nav station, decent galley, very spacious salon, good tank access, well-protected propellor, 54hp YanMar engine, what more can you ask for?!
Damn that was a good episode!
Great video with all the legends. Loved it and can't wait to see what happens.
You guys are awesome! I love the content you put out there. A great mix of work, fun, and information for realistic boat purchases. Can’t wait to see you on your new boat!
Atticus and Delos crossover?!?! I am satisfied.
Having access to things Easily in rough seas for the Motor, and the things you need to get to for personal use is going to make a WORLD of difference!! When your struggling with a toddler and need to get to something you don't want to be digging to get to things. Maybe a little smaller in the common area, but you've been saying in the videos, how much room do you need. And hopefully most of your time will be out and about when at anchor. Ether boat will take care of you guys for the logistics of sailing. But when you have kids, you don't need the added frustration of getting into things. I mean really, what if your at sea and need to get into the engine while the boat is tossing and turning. Valiant is what you'll be happier with in the long run... just my opinion. Don't discredit a woman's intuition. She knows... :)
Cant wait to see which one you get & look forward to seeing u back out on the water. Good luck with everything,, love from Australia
This vid answered many of the questions I’ve wondered about for a while, thanks for your fantastic work guys!
go for security : propeller & engine. At the end of the day this is ZI criteria
42 - remember, its the answer to Life, the Universe, and everything!
Excellent point!!
LOL
Zen and the Art of Yacht Maintenance
Great series, and so glad you received real life living with a toddler aboard advice. (1) the PS40 is a beauty, yet you’re not looking for a dock queen for you and your slip mates to admire, you’re looking for a low maintenance ocean going cruiser, you’re wanting to spend less time working on the boat, but maintaining all of that wood will be a chore = V42. (2) I’ve watched how much engine maintenance you do yourself, impressive! = V42. (3) you need comfortable sleeping options for you, your guests, and your kid(s). As someone who is 6’6”, I understand the challenge of finding a boat that fits. Both berths in the PS40 seem really small = V42. Conclusion: the V42 seems like the smart choice. Then there is the moment where thinking and passion collide, my wife and I looked at a lot of boats, the one we bought checked all of my boxes, but what made us pull the trigger on to purchase was that in addition to checking all of the boxes, it was the one she fell in love with. Looks to me like you’re getting the V42! Hope this helps. Looking forward to watching your adventures continue, on land and at sea.
I've said it every week in this series; well done and very informative. This series will "stand the test of time" for sure!
I really like how you analyzed the process, beginning to end, and brought in various experts into the discussion. Well done! Your needs may change over time, but you are not likely to regret your purchase. Good on ya!
Valiant 42 pullman version - the pullman berth area can always be converted to bunk beds to accomodate a growing family.
ooohhh good idea!!
unfortunately no longer on the market :(
@@davidc6510 I'm guessing the boat they bought happened weeks if not a month ago so don't rule out anything that shows it sold in the last month. Sometimes for sale listings are slow to come down so boats that are listed now for sale may have sold in the 30 days and the listing has not been updated. It's a real nail biter as to which one they got. Both are winners so it's great to know they will be in a safe true blue water boat.
Agreed.. and don't forget the engine access.
Valiant 42 all the way!
Love you guys! Thank you for bringing us along!
I’m missing seeing you two sailing and exploring. I know your stepping up your long term game plans and I wish you both the best going forward. It’s time to go sailing. Thank you for all the info as you make your next choice!! Sail on 😎✌️⛵️⛵️⛵️
Pacific Seacraft. That main salon is where the children are going to be while at sail.
Saloon, not salon.
Really nice job at the writing and editing in this vid...excited to find out Weds how you landed.
Bravo, excellent episode, well done. Wish you lots of luck in the future.
Enjoyed your boat buying episodes, extremely interesting and entertaining. Whichever one you choose I know you will be happy. Can't wait to follow you both in the new boat. Wishing you all the best for your exciting future.
Rudder: pick the more rugged one. Mom will feel safe with rugged rudder near shore.
PS40 Engine Access on PS 40: Easy Solution: Just cut panels out around side or back of engine on PS40: those aren't load-bearing walls, are they? Cut access holes. That's super easy fix for engine access. But IF you can't cut away walls, then PS inaccessible engine is very serious.
No way to cure an insecure rudder or propeller at risk of rope wrapping. Deal Breaker?
Near shore constant worry. Lin & Larry had a giant oar.
Other stuff, galley shape, bunk shapes, where kids play, all irrelevant compared to breaking rudder. One expert addressed rudder safety.
But what do I know? I'm just caught up in vicarious adventure. Cheers
You are a cool couple. Kudos to you
Great enjoyable episode, loving the journey and the education, keep me coming
A great fun series on your boat selection. On the one hand, wish it could continue but on the other, happy that you have made your selection. Anxious now to see where you wind up. Thanks for sharing your epic boat selection process.
When I saw your presentation of the Pacific Seacraft 40, I immediately felt it was the boat for you. All the best for you!
The Pacific Seacraft 40 is the wiser choice!
SC 40 is what I think you guys want...
Haha. Ya! I do love the Santa Cruz 40. One of Bill’s best designs especially for Transpac
@@davida1679 I meant the Seacraft, I believe that's the abbreviation they used. The PS 40... SC 40... PSC 40... Whatever. "What do you think about the P31? It's a piece of sh*t! I'd like to work with the P40. How many people think we should scrap the P-31? There it is. Scrapped. Why? Because you want it scrapped. It's out of there. P-31, out of there. No more. Gone. You want 31 flavors? Baskin-Robbins is where you wanna be." NAME THAT MOVIE...
Another great episode as usual. There is no way to go wrong with either boat. You choose the boat that works the best for two of you and we will follow your journey!
I think you guys have said it very well, "Because sailing offshore can be miserable", that's why I never dreamed nor wanted to sail for days on end from Buffalo, NY to New Zealand. Our passages were from one place on Lake Ontario to or another. Generally most sailing was for 6 - 10 hours or 10 - 14 hours. I didn't like motoring and Challenger sailed herself with a Drifter, Main, Mizzen Staysail and Mizzen. Keep in mind that in 1975 when we first started sailing my 2 boys were 7 & 11 years old and I wanted them to be with me and my wife. I always let them helm and sail the boat. They developed friends in every port on the lake and sailed with us until they were 15 and could sail Challenger with their friends.
BTW: if it was my sole decision, I’d pick the PS 40. Excellent condition, right sized engine, awesome rudder design, and the owner had it professionally maintained.
Sailing is about - what you don't need - that is the magic - you discover how little you do need - Bam JK at his best..
apply that philosophy to life and you'll have the most freedom you possibly can
Both Valiants and Pacific Seacrafts are in American Sailboat Hall of Fame which speaks volumes! I once owned a Valiant 32 just so forgiving and comfortable in a seaway. Look forward to your choice for family life that’s what matters!
This may be the most informative video for aspiring cruisers on UA-cam. Great job guys!
I think both are great. At this point I would choose with my heart, no with my head. Love you guys!
Great ep! So many stars of SV UA-cam! The PSC40 because they're still in business and a partnership with them would be a very good move =) The amazing V42 sadly has the wrong saloon. StarGazer, the visibly superb V42 CE in Seattle needs a $5-8k bimini / solar system PLUS a $5k windvane to go offshore / tropics / long passages so too much $
This was a great idea you guys. Thanks fir bringing us along on your voyage.
Great info. Thanks for sharing your research.
PS40- sturdier motor and more protected rudder. Sacrifice a little on D’s love on the interior for these safety items like john and Lyn advised.
Hard choice! The purported build quality, performance and interior comfort makes me favor the Valiant 42.
Have loved following your boat search and boat tours guys, thanks for taking us along. Your family will make wonderful memories you can cherish in either boat. 💗 I can see the PS40 winning from a practical standpoint but I can see the V42 pulling at the heartstrings! Can't wait to see which one you choose! 😁⛵🌬☀️
What an excellent series this has been. All of the sailors you received advice from definitely know what they are talking about! True legends! Only family missing was S.V. Totum. Good luck on your upcoming purchase.
Really enjoying this series, Fantastic to see your thoughts on the buying process
Sv Day-los haha. I’d go with the pacific seacraft 40
Whatever boat you go with you will make it work and I’d bet amazingly so. You certainly made Atticus work, and for a decent amount of time! Thanks for sharing, have fun, and best of luck!
I love how you, as a couple, do such a thorough job of reviewing these boats. Having two prospectives is so valuable. You ought to do this professionally.
I'm not a sailor, and never will be, but I have truly enjoyed your quest for a Bluewater Sailboat.Thank you for taking me along.
What a fantastic series you have put together on your boat search. The inclusion of these truly heavy wait authorities and their thoughtful comments is impressive!
Well done guys. Very professional series.
Great job with this series of videos. You guys pulled together a lot of amazing subject matter experts most of us don't have access to.
My guess is a lot of us will be looking back to these videos for a long time to purchase boats.
I’m glad y’all mentioned Matt’s non-profit!
Two things I have learned that may help Jordan... 1. Happy Wife happy life 2. The best advice I received when I first got married was I could be right or I could be happy... I chose happiness most of the time. I guess it has worked because we just celebrated our 40th wedding anniversary. V42 and get sailing!!!
Great and very informative series. Not a sailor, but a parent of three. They start out small but get bigger and often need their own space so seems to me the bigger living area will be more practical in the long run
I've really enjoyed your sailboat hunting series. Although we're after a Cat, your series has really educated me on a lot of different aspects of a sailboat. Your search will be different from mine, and different from everyone else's, but you highlight a lot of great topics for consideration. Looking forward to hearing about your final pick! We're with you guys all the way!
When drawer latches fail, all the contents spread far n wide. Picking up and tidying breakages.
When my wife saw the "sail locker" on the Valiant, her first comment was "that is not a sail locker, just add a cushion and it is a nursery" It is big enough for a kids cabin until they are about 6-8 years old.
Exactly what I thought too, but they would not be buying the Pullman berth Valiant 42, unfortunately.
Hi Guys! I really enjoy this boat search series. Love the way you go about it and how determined you are ti find the right one! I really hope you get the perfect one!
I can't tell you how much I have enjoyed the video series on looking for your boat! Excellently done, filmed, edited... Cheers From Eastern Pa.
I think the Valiant 42. There are some things more important than the "perfect boat." Happy wife, happy life.
SC40 for the engine and rudder/prop advantages.
PS 40
Enjoying the series for your next boat. It has been very informative and entertaining.
Best Wishes
Love the Q & A with the experts and your experts actually answered the questions directly. Thats what a person needs when making a 10 year commitment to a boat. No mulligans allowed, well without being a serious financial boo boo. I can't remember actually which one was superior but the head room in the cockpit and shower for "stretch McGee" aka Jordan would be the decision maker for me.
The guy talking about cats doesn't know what he's talking about. 50' to sail around the world? Somehow we managed on a 40' :)
Ps40. Save the $ for the college fund. Good luck and happy sailing.
Another great vid! Thanks for bringing us along on your boat buying journey ... 42 skidoo, buds!
It’s been really interesting to see your approach to boat selection and I think you’ve done a great job picking the two boats. Either is a great choice. It is easy to want to get a bigger boat, especially after seeing all the living space on Delos and La Vagabonde, but you seem to understand the trade offs and know what you need. I’m looking forward to hearing about your new boat and seeing how you outfit it for your needs.
Valiant 42 gets my vote!
Lived the video. Your sharing of real life choices and why you choose what you are looking for was a great learning curve about different style of boats. Really helped me to start my list of options and priorities for sailing. Thank you both! OH! If you haven’t heard yet, happy wife happy life. So Valiant it is.
This was the most well produced and informed video on the boat selection process I have ever seen...seriously. Outside perspectives and important considerations, trade-offs for different objectives...I'm somewhat selfish as this whole series has "validated" my purchase, not that I needed that, I'm still head-over-heels in love with my V42 which I took delivery of finally last summer. Bernie hooked me up with a less than 20 year old, lightly cruised, essentially fully outfitted, well maintained and freshly yanmar 57 re-powered boat. Arch, enclosure, dinghy, solar, genset, watermaker, etc. at a "pre-covid buyer's market" price. I was hoping you could find the same. I wish I could sell you mine. I look forward to watching you enjoy yours.
🤤 sounds like a great boat!!
A little marriage counseling, valiant 42
My thoughts exactly!!!
Pacific 40 gives me peace, but it's your choice...
Hi guys, go with your intuition and your good vibe about the boat. It will make you happy. Best of luck.
Awesome that you got so much input and advice!
She's in love with one, he's into the other but both would give up their favorite for the other bud. Nice conundrum to be in !!! I'd have to go for the one that is most comfortable at sail and rest, over the long term. Sailing is one thing, but when you can't rest and recover, stretch out and be comfortable, you run into chronic physical problems that wreck you unnecessarily. This will in turn affect your mental space too. After a couple of bad car accidents and working in heavy industry, I appreciate the notion that you only have 1 body and it's gotta make it to the finish line.