Great podcast so far. I come from a family of loggers, generations deep. My grandfather, logged with his father in the early 1900's. My uncle Bill Woodruff, lost his life driving down a logging road after a day of work, when the crummy lost its brakes. I always will have a soft spot for the smell of premixed gas, diesel and wood chips. As a teen, I remember the fights over logging and watched the slow decline of the industry. I can even remember getting into physical fights to defend what i felt was right. I saw the carnage the environmentalist would cause destroying equipment and even saw a few loggers hurt from the traps they would set. As an adult now, with an open mind, I understand the views of both sides. I also can say that clear cuts really do disgust me but I fully understand why we need those trees as not only a resource to build houses, make paper etc... but as an source of employment that sustained whole towns. It seems now day's the big timber company's have found a way around the laws by just buying up huge plots of forest and clear cutting them anyway with no accountability. These modern clear cuts don't produce new trees. I know, I walk through them every hunting season. Most don't even bother to replant anymore and just sell the land off once it's been logged. Seems I'm just rambling now but... there has to be a happy medium somewhere. We really do need to use this resource responsibly, to maintain the forests from wildfire, have a resource we are not buying as an import and keep local jobs going just to name a few. But selective logging makes much more sense than clear cutting. Responsible harvesting, with replanting and long term sustainability in mind should be a goal both environmentalist groups and loggers can work together on.
Thanks for the interesting life story . 'Couldn't agree more' with the sustainable selective cut thoughts. Imagine a small lumber town with ; ◆ Co-op/ employee-owned lumber mills, cutting to Standard and Metric custom - cut orders. Buy local campaign. ◆ Selective cut timber , 'No - More - Clear-Cutting' . ◆ End use manufacturing for creative local businesses , with locally cut lumber. ◆ Appeal to retirees / boomers with safe, strong , fun towns. ◆ Appeal to young creative types with outdoor amenities , for bike shops, coffee, brewery, & wineries , restaurants , and fishing. ◆ Recognizing the town @ the state level 'as an economic zone' , with tax relief & tax incentives. Final thoughts ; ◆ Educate the city folk why we are a sustainable community , and should be supported & visited. A couple of more thoughts . ◆◆ The railroad /bankers were given every other section of land to connect the Western USA . Residual hangover of this policy are the Warehouses/ Plum Creeks of the world. Start a grass roots campaign to point out the destructive policies of these greedy 'Wallstreet /banker owned, dividend ( taxed @ reduced rate ) sucking , clear cutting parasites . Oh , ◆◆ Ban clear cutting @ the State level , or tax them into bankruptcy. Last one , ◆◆" Tariff tax outside of the United States cut lumber. Federal level.
@@powderbeast5598 @KatStoneRN ran for state Senate on these exact issues in southern Oregon. Unfortunately the timber industries money downed out her message.
Redwood, the fastest growing most substantial trees we can harvest. We still can't make a better building product. Use good forestry and don't destroy our forest.
This reminds me deeply of a game from Asia I have played. The game is child-like in its delivery but very meaningful in what it tries to teach. You are a villager in Brazil. This game is all built on choices. You need to make money to live and have children who need to eat. One day, you hear of someone hiring palm oil workers ‘under the table.’ You know its destroying your area, but the money they promise is 6 months of wages. You end up doing the job, and in the end they pay you less than they promised, leaving you broken and in an area that now has no palm tree due to illegal harvesting. This game shows the consequences of our actions and attempts to show the importance of our influence, even if something is cheaper. The impact that I remember the most from that story was the villager, trying to feed his family, that had few other options. For people in those situations, the system really exploits them. I think it is similar with people in these situations, they want to make an income and it is not possible in a lot of other ways. This can definitely seem like attacking their livelihood in these situations Honestly, listening to this podcast is very reminiscent of what is happening today with talk of the workers' livelihood against the environment. If other livelihood was offered, there wouldn't be an issue. I feel like I’ve heard this fight before when it comes to oil pipelines, ect. But it shouldn't be that way! It should be that more environmentally friendly jobs are offered for the person's livelihood!
*Episodes 2 and 3 have all the Science and Statistics about Old Growth Forests if anyone wants to hear that before the history of demonstrations, battles etc. that are in episode 1.
It's absolutely not necessary. The only context it's necessary is for the economy of the communities that rely on logging. Those communities need to grow new economies that don't parasitize their land. Otherwise Oregon is going to burn to the ground just like California.
I thought you did pretty good on this. Not biased to either side and said how it was. I'm a retired logger who logged Detroit Lakes area as well as most everywhere else, and personality I prefer leaving the old growth. I sure don't have any use for these la la land "environmentalists " trying to run things according to their imagination with no clue to reality though. Stopping burn logging is the height of stupidity as I see it.
@@jakebennett4395 unfortunately the lack of logging and forest management has lead to unhealthy forests and ultimately catastrophic fires. So now we are left with moon scape wilderness, unhealthy forests, and very little timber industry.
Hippies let the underbrush and dead trees go and chased the loggers out and even tried to kill them !and now we have these horrible fires. People fought this who never even lived here! They destroyed these trees. They were stinky pigs!
We have these horrible fires because a whole bunch of stubborn fools chose to live in country that burns down every few years. May as well blame the hippies for tornados.
Switching to Tree Farms with fast growing hybrids vs. destroying 600+ year old, slow growing Old-Growth ecosystems that keep fires down, hold back ground water and don't just come back. Not a hard choice to make for future wood product needs.
@Hugh Jaynuss well, statistically oregon's population has exploded twice in the past ten years. 80% population increase in lane county when weed went legal, and another 45% when the feds came to portland. I am sure some of those people were coming here for the beautiful people and land, but most were greedy the first time, and wrathful the second.
Great podcast so far. I come from a family of loggers, generations deep. My grandfather, logged with his father in the early 1900's. My uncle Bill Woodruff, lost his life driving down a logging road after a day of work, when the crummy lost its brakes. I always will have a soft spot for the smell of premixed gas, diesel and wood chips. As a teen, I remember the fights over logging and watched the slow decline of the industry. I can even remember getting into physical fights to defend what i felt was right. I saw the carnage the environmentalist would cause destroying equipment and even saw a few loggers hurt from the traps they would set.
As an adult now, with an open mind, I understand the views of both sides. I also can say that clear cuts really do disgust me but I fully understand why we need those trees as not only a resource to build houses, make paper etc... but as an source of employment that sustained whole towns. It seems now day's the big timber company's have found a way around the laws by just buying up huge plots of forest and clear cutting them anyway with no accountability. These modern clear cuts don't produce new trees. I know, I walk through them every hunting season. Most don't even bother to replant anymore and just sell the land off once it's been logged.
Seems I'm just rambling now but... there has to be a happy medium somewhere. We really do need to use this resource responsibly, to maintain the forests from wildfire, have a resource we are not buying as an import and keep local jobs going just to name a few. But selective logging makes much more sense than clear cutting. Responsible harvesting, with replanting and long term sustainability in mind should be a goal both environmentalist groups and loggers can work together on.
Thanks for the interesting life story .
'Couldn't agree more' with the sustainable selective cut thoughts.
Imagine a small lumber town with ;
◆ Co-op/ employee-owned lumber mills, cutting to Standard and Metric custom - cut orders.
Buy local campaign.
◆ Selective cut timber , 'No - More - Clear-Cutting' .
◆ End use manufacturing for creative local businesses , with locally cut lumber.
◆ Appeal to retirees / boomers with safe, strong , fun towns.
◆ Appeal to young creative types with outdoor amenities , for bike shops, coffee, brewery, & wineries , restaurants , and fishing.
◆ Recognizing the town @ the state level 'as an economic zone' , with tax relief & tax incentives.
Final thoughts ;
◆ Educate the city folk why we are a sustainable community , and should be supported & visited.
A couple of more thoughts .
◆◆ The railroad /bankers were given every other section of land to connect the Western USA . Residual hangover of this policy are the Warehouses/ Plum Creeks of the world.
Start a grass roots campaign to point out the destructive policies of these greedy 'Wallstreet /banker owned, dividend ( taxed @ reduced rate ) sucking , clear cutting parasites .
Oh ,
◆◆ Ban clear cutting @ the State level , or tax them into bankruptcy.
Last one ,
◆◆" Tariff tax outside of the United States cut lumber. Federal level.
@@powderbeast5598 @KatStoneRN ran for state Senate on these exact issues in southern Oregon. Unfortunately the timber industries money downed out her message.
Redwood, the fastest growing most substantial trees we can harvest. We still can't make a better building product. Use good forestry and don't destroy our forest.
This reminds me deeply of a game from Asia I have played. The game is child-like in its delivery but very meaningful in what it tries to teach.
You are a villager in Brazil. This game is all built on choices. You need to make money to live and have children who need to eat. One day, you hear of someone hiring palm oil workers ‘under the table.’ You know its destroying your area, but the money they promise is 6 months of wages. You end up doing the job, and in the end they pay you less than they promised, leaving you broken and in an area that now has no palm tree due to illegal harvesting.
This game shows the consequences of our actions and attempts to show the importance of our influence, even if something is cheaper. The impact that I remember the most from that story was the villager, trying to feed his family, that had few other options. For people in those situations, the system really exploits them. I think it is similar with people in these situations, they want to make an income and it is not possible in a lot of other ways. This can definitely seem like attacking their livelihood in these situations
Honestly, listening to this podcast is very reminiscent of what is happening today with talk of the workers' livelihood against the environment. If other livelihood was offered, there wouldn't be an issue. I feel like I’ve heard this fight before when it comes to oil pipelines, ect. But it shouldn't be that way! It should be that more environmentally friendly jobs are offered for the person's livelihood!
*Episodes 2 and 3 have all the Science and Statistics about Old Growth Forests if anyone wants to hear that before the history of demonstrations, battles etc. that are in episode 1.
Logging is necessary when done right
It's absolutely not necessary. The only context it's necessary is for the economy of the communities that rely on logging. Those communities need to grow new economies that don't parasitize their land. Otherwise Oregon is going to burn to the ground just like California.
Sure wish I could watch this, is there a film available?
It's a podcast
@@bradleywheeler3970 A lot of podcasts have a video option, so what's your point?
Well done 👍
I thought you did pretty good on this. Not biased to either side and said how it was. I'm a retired logger who logged Detroit Lakes area as well as most everywhere else, and personality I prefer leaving the old growth. I sure don't have any use for these la la land "environmentalists " trying to run things according to their imagination with no clue to reality though. Stopping burn logging is the height of stupidity as I see it.
There needs to be a total moratorium on logging until global desertification is reversed.
@@jakebennett4395 unfortunately the lack of logging and forest management has lead to unhealthy forests and ultimately catastrophic fires. So now we are left with moon scape wilderness, unhealthy forests, and very little timber industry.
When I think of Loggers I can't get Monty Python's I'm a lumberjack song out of my head 😂
Hippies let the underbrush and dead trees go and chased the loggers out and even tried to kill them !and now we have these horrible fires. People fought this who never even lived here! They destroyed these trees. They were stinky pigs!
We have these horrible fires because a whole bunch of stubborn fools chose to live in country that burns down every few years. May as well blame the hippies for tornados.
Switching to Tree Farms with fast growing hybrids vs. destroying 600+ year old, slow growing Old-Growth ecosystems that keep fires down, hold back ground water and don't just come back. Not a hard choice to make for future wood product needs.
No one cuts down 100 year old trees. That is a blatant lie!
"If a tree falls" is a good documentary about the ELF.
Roseburg Oregon is scary and prejudice.
It has kind of become the norm everywhere these days.
Huh? You must be from a big city. Best you stay there. I live by Roseburg.
@Hugh Jaynuss well, statistically oregon's population has exploded twice in the past ten years. 80% population increase in lane county when weed went legal, and another 45% when the feds came to portland. I am sure some of those people were coming here for the beautiful people and land, but most were greedy the first time, and wrathful the second.
Roseburg prejudice?