Gilgamesh, A King, At Uruk.
Вставка
- Опубліковано 17 лис 2021
- Star Trek · The Next Generation · s05e02 · Darmok
Thanks for clicking, thanks for watching, hope you got what you came for.
BuyMeSomeBeans: ko-fi.com/tjwparso / paypal.me/tjwParsoTV
Intro Audio: Star Trek TNG: s03e06 'Booby Trap' & s03e12 'The High Ground'
Outro Music: • STAR TREK - THE NEXT G... , • Magical Trevor : Episo...
& • I Love Beans by Brak
Discord: / discord
Twitter: / tjwparso
Reddit: / tjwparsotv - Розваги
Star Trek · The Next Generation · s05e02 · Darmok
Thanks for clicking, thanks for watching, hope you got what you came for.
BuyMeSomeBeans: ko-fi.com/tjwparso / paypal.me/tjwParsoTV
Intro Audio: Star Trek TNG: s03e06 'Booby Trap' & s03e12 'The High Ground'
Outro Music: ua-cam.com/video/ghtc3bUuANA/v-deo.html , ua-cam.com/video/au3-hk-pXsM/v-deo.html
& ua-cam.com/video/7ZWQMvHNOnI/v-deo.html
Discord: discord.gg/2PAjZf8TeV
Twitter: twitter.com/tjwparso
Reddit: www.reddit.com/r/tjwParsoTV
'Darmok' Clips:
Ubaya Of Crossed Roads At Lungha
ua-cam.com/video/yhMFRpiK6RI/v-deo.html
Kiteo. His Eyes Closed.
ua-cam.com/video/NXPqhtsvE3A/v-deo.html
Picard Of The Federation
ua-cam.com/video/wAncVh9Q03Y/v-deo.html
Concentrated In The Upper D Region
ua-cam.com/video/ZdqnOKmIfGs/v-deo.html
Temba!
ua-cam.com/video/QM26iLXlUAU/v-deo.html
His Arms Wide
ua-cam.com/video/pwzz2cdBmlQ/v-deo.html
Sokath. His Eyes Uncovered!
ua-cam.com/video/ki6U_RwCSJI/v-deo.html
Juliet On Her Balcony
ua-cam.com/video/UXpB3bJK51Q/v-deo.html
The Beast At Tanagra
ua-cam.com/video/LTye5SHVQl0/v-deo.html
Gilgamesh, A King, At Uruk.
ua-cam.com/video/iLDzhH1hRhU/v-deo.html
Picard & Dathon At El-Adrel
ua-cam.com/video/MtgcChWDSF8/v-deo.html
Just For The Hope Of Communication
ua-cam.com/video/7rmnaqCIius/v-deo.html
I came for the beans
Thank you.
It is still an excellent story after so many years...
Picard: "I'm not much of a storyteller"
Proceeds to tell a beautifully narrated story
Maybe Picard was not; but Sir Patrick Stewart is.
"This must be a terrible show then."
Picard: Anyway I'm not much of an actor
Picard is the thinking being's captain. Picard is really the best captain, he's cultured, diplomatic, and wise...but he will still kick your ass if he has to, and when he's finished, he'll give you a speech about where you've gone wrong as a person, and what a better place the universe would be if you got your shit together.
He has a C-3P0 complex.
Picard's short narration here of one of humanity's oldest stories, the Epic of Gilgamesh is pure perfection.
Did you notice the parallels between The Epic Of Gilgamesh and what was going on between Picard and Dathon??
IIRC the Epic of Gilgamesh is also likely the basis for the Old and New Testament stories. ... Those big stories had many earlier iterations. Which is not untypical. Even today, such old story concepts are being 'cloned' again and again. (One example would be China's national struggle story against the Japanese empire. There are some basic story constructs based on that that can be found in so many ways in popculture.)
@@Dowlphin Especially the great flood. Given how much it occurs in mythology, from Gilgamesh to the Old Testament, it's widely believed there was some kind of large climatic event that wiped out a civilization.
@@gregoryborton6598 Yep, also in the Aztec culture IIRC. Either described in mythology or determined by scientists, or both.
Not the oldest at all, far from it
the man gave his life so the federation and his people could have a chance at communication and understanding
He was a great man, a true leader of his people. I weep for him every time I see this with Picard gently concluding the parallel story of a great man’s death.
Darmok and Jahlad, at Tenagra....
....Temba, his arms open
Shaka, when the walls fell.
Then why not just send them a detailed explanation instead of this convoluted method.
I think I finally understand this episode now after so many years.
Sokath, his eyes uncovered.
With sails unfurled!
This scene still draws a tear to my eye.... what I do, for communication.
Martin and Picard at UA-cam
Hahaha the perfect comment exists
Alexander, his library unearthed!
The First Hero of Mankind, now stands as permanent vocabulary of an alien race, the King of Uruk, Son of the Gods, the First King of Man, will live on in history, until the last sun dies, and the last Ascendant leaves the void, and beyond
Rob, his tears flowing.
Khan, his mission deflated, his eyes watered, his urpose, redefined.
The Epic of Gilgamesh was an inspired choice, and very fitting for not only this scene, but the episode as a whole.
or you know the episode was based on the epic :D
Every once in a while, the writers hit it out of the park.
Sir Stewart had THE voice for ancient literature.
While not ancient, I'd like to place a reminder here that he was a Shakespearean actor who took up Star Trek while waiting to get back on the stage.
I wonder if I can make this story more Tarmerian-like:
Gilgamesh, a king, at Uruk
Gilgamesh, in madness, his subjects, at Uruk, angry! Suffering!
Enkidu, a Wildman, from the the forest, Enkidu, at Gilgamesh.
Gilgamesh, and Enkidu, at the Temple, the Temple at Uruk.
Gilgamesh and Enkidu, Fight, Gilgamesh Falls,
Gilgamesh, his hand in friendship, Enkidu, his hand, in Friendship
Gilgamesh, and Enkidu, in the desert, the great heavenly bull, in the desert, Men, in the desert fall.
Gilgamesh, and Enkidu, at the bull.
Enkidu, at the bull, the bull, his tail caught!
Gilgamesh, his sword struck!
Gilgamesh, and Enkidu, their victory!
Gods of the Sky, at the desert!
Enkidu, struck down.
Gilgamesh, his eyes wept!
Gilgamesh, on the desert.
...Probably not the best, but..ehe, it's what I came up with
Well done, quite poetic.
I respect the effort man. It looks good. Emerald Marine, in the comments, in victory.
good job, that's not an easy thing to do.
@@TheZetaKai Awww thanks! I don't actually write poetry (Hell, I think I barely qualify as a fanfic writer), but, eh, my life choice allows for it if I want to hehe ♥
@@3Rayfire Heh, thanks, I bet if Picard had more time he'd come up with something better, but thanks!
Somewhere, there’s a Mesopotamian bard with a huge smile. For a story to cross such vast gulfs of time and space, but still be understood, it’s a beautiful thing.
I always thought about how much Dathon would have understood or interpreted that retelling of the Enuma Elish, given the Tamarian concept of communication. I can think of a few phrases that would convey concepts that a Tamarian might pick up on
_Gilgamesh at Uruk_ - a unrestrained tyrant
_Enkidu from the Forest_ - a challenger and an equal
_Gilgamesh and Enkidu at Uruk_ - enemies turned friends
_Gilgamesh and Enkidu in the desert_ - grave danger, but also adventure
_the Bull, his tail caught_ - a cooperative strategy
_Enkidu, when the Bull fell_ - victory at great cost
_Gilgamesh, his eyes red_ - unimaginable loss
The wood flute (or whatever it is, unsure) that plays when he starts narrating is just perfect.
Paul Winfield played Captain Dathon very well in this episode. One of the finest Trek guest actor. RIP.
Winfield, and Dathon, at Heaven. 🙏
That was Paul Winfield????! DAMN!
Paul Winfield, and Lance Henriksen, at the Terminator. The Terminator, his fist raised.
Sarah Connor, her face black, her eyes red. Kyle Reese, his fist raised, his back turned.
Kyle Reese and Sarah Connor, at the steel mill. The Terminator, when the walls fell. Sarah Connor, her fist raised.
I’ve only seen 5 episodes of TNG, Darmok being the first,but that intro sure as hell got me to subscribe.
I get chills every time when picard says "the great bull of heaven" and the music stings
This particular retelling of Gilgamesh always leaves me in tears somehow. The idea of sacrificing everything to be understood, and in the waning moments, a remembered story of friendship that has miraculously survived the births and deaths of billions of people.
This comment was deeply touching, thank you.
Picard told our oldest story in a simplified way, and yet with his delivery, the imagery lived regardless of the lack of description. It's message is still valid today.
I think I just learned a lesson in writing.
Dathan says “Gilgamesh” the way the Iron Giant says “Superman.”
This has got to be the smartest episode of TNG. I especially like the scenes with Picard as the center piece. He's such a good actor!
The way the writers tried to portray an alien way of thinking was excellent.
Picard, his mind clear, his words true.
It is very difficult for me to decide, but Darmok was definitely one of my favorite episodes of Star Trek TNG.
I watched most of Star Trek TNG with my dad, this episode is one of his favorites too. He loved how I understood that this race was speaking in stories after the first couple of minutes. I'll never forget this episode and experiencing it.
One of my favorite Star Trek scenes... the great Sir Patrick Stewart telling a campfire story.
2:15
I love Capt. Danthon's laugh here,
you can tell he doesn't understand exactly whats being said but .... *HE GETS IT.*
its a wonderful laughter of recognition,
we maybe different,
separated by lightyears and many other things,
but there is some element of commonality between us,
Masterful Episode! ^______^
He's like: "Ah, this is a story, with emotion and drama! I like it! GILGAMESH! YES!"
well there is something to ponder about here, two things, actually. One - this alien species talks to picard in english. not klingon, vulcan, or gibberish, but in english, with odd forms. he was trying to tell picard something. he was trying to communicate in their way - truly alien. however, still, in english. finally, picard does what Danthon was trying him to do: communicate. And Picard did. And when he responds with a laugh - it may not at all be that he doesn't understand him. Matter of fact, it seems, that he DOES understand him there.
in other words, somehow, that language barrier is broken. and Danthon did not just learn an alien language, but also teached an alien their language, establishing communications, which might mean eternal 'blessings', and as such, could die peacefully, knowing he did one of the most honorable things.
Something interesting also to take secondly into account is this: this alien somehow knew human language - English. HOW? IIRC, picard never told him "Shaka when the walls fell" or "Temba, his arms open". So where did this knowledge come from? One might say, that this Alien species knew about humanity, and their language. Perhaps they were hoping to establish something for a long time.
And here the interesting little 'easter egg' comes in :
When Danthon hears the story, he said 'Gilgamesh, Yes'. Almost as if he KNOWS the story. Well, knowing Gilgamesh is a really old story, this might not be far from the truth. The Epic of Gilgamesh is very old, and is said to be 'from the gods'. These 'gods' might have been aliens, and the species of Danthon, might have known about that human history. To his species, these legends mean a whole lot. So Earth's 'oldest known' and timeless, mighty legend of Gilgamesh, might have more behind it than this episode actually showed.
That is, in Trek lore. there could have been a follow up, but there never was.
@@manoahvanderwolf3259I don’t remember if the universal translator was working through their exchange, but as I recall the difficulty Starfleet was having with the Tamarians wasn’t that they couldn’t translate the language; it was that Tamarians insisted on speaking almost exclusively in references they knew through generations of storytelling. Outsiders don’t know the cultural references, and merely translating the language only gets one so far in communicating. Like trying to talk to someone who speaks almost entirely in Internet memes or commercial slogans; most of the words are familiar, but the context and meaning might not be.
He may be missing the context but Picard is conveying the meaning and weight all the same.
“My turn?” Makes me so happy. And when the Tamarian goes (knowingly) “…..Gilgamesh”
Gilgamesh King!
I love that all the titles are in Tarmerian metaphor.
Picard: Have i ever told you the story of Ea Nasir
"He who was my companion, through adventure and hardship, is gone forever." - Picard at El-Adrel.
This is the line that always gets me.
I was in graduate school studying cuneiform texts, including some bits from the Gilgamesh Epic when this aired,. Watching Picard tell this story on STNG was absolutely thrilling.
I love this episode. The idea that, by sharing stories, it is possible to build levels of understanding that transcend the barriers of culture, language, or even species. That the gulf between worlds may be bridged by two people sitting around a fire, telling each other the myths and legends of their peoples. It is deeply inspiring...
I was about 10 when I first saw this episode. Hadn't heard of Gilgamesh before but I immediately looked him up after this. I blame the education system.
That is a deep shame for the system, but a credit to you for having the intellectual curiosity to look up the story. And it is a tale worthy of telling, a great story of a man learning through hardship to become better than he once was. Gilgamesh may not be well-known, but he is as relevant to us today as Heracles, and just as useful as a metaphor for strength, arrogance, and redemption.
I did not learn about the epic of Gilgamesh until high school. It is not necessarily a failure of the education system if you did not learn about this while in elementary school.
I didn't learn about him until college, so don't feel bad. Plus there's material in Gilgamesh, like Enkidu being humanized by sleeping with a temple prostitute, that isn't really appropriate for children. There's a lot to cover in the Western canon, and lately there has been some emphasis on understanding that other cultures also exist, so there are things that will take a while to get to.
The Epic of Gilgamesh is literally the oldest story that still exists.
And we're lucky to still have it. For many years, it was lost and forgotten, but scholars found the fragments of the tale and reconstructed it. It gives us a fascinating and unique perspective on the people of that time and place.
Just like Picard to start at the beginning.
@@TheZetaKai AFAIU Old and New Testament core elements - the story of Josef/Jesus(? - or was it Jakob) - are like a reboot of Epic of Gilgamesh content.
@@Dowlphin I don't think New Testament, that was written too much later, but Old Testament, yes; not all the core elements, but certainly the story of Noah's Ark, and possibly others. The Biblical creation story, meanwhile, seems to be inspired by the Enuma Elish, an ancient Babylonian text. From what I understand, a lot of the core books of the Old Testament were codified during the period that the Jewish people were captives in Babylon, both in an effort to preserve their traditions and to share them with interested parties, so it makes sense that they would have picked up Mesopotamian and Babylonian elements. Interestingly, there's also quite a bit of speculation that they picked up monotheism from the Babylonian Zoroastrians while they were at it, which is wild considering what a core tenant it is of modern Judaism.
At leste in writing. Other oral traditions may go as far back as the Stone Age, but we can't know it
Col. Mustard, in the ballroom, with a lead pipe
I really enjoyed the way the writers worked hard to convey the idea of an alien way of thinking and using language instead of just making them funny looking humans as per usual.
Tjwparso, on UA-cam, with beans
Meaning of course. "contented, happy, and with good reason"
The whole set up of this scene and hearing an actor like Patrick Stewart give this great story is so moving
The wind from Uruk after eating bake beans.
A most ill wind indeed.
It’s criminal how little exposure this episode gets. Discovery and Picard could learn a thing or two from this one scene.
But what does a quiet moment of understanding between two alien minds matter, when we could have sanctimonious propaganda of approved doctrine in between colorful explosions??
@@TheZetaKai Ofcourse! So foolish of me!
Discovery and Picard should just go away.
@@TheZetaKai True. Star Trek was always about space communists, but we loved them back then.
Now the propaganda and brainwashing are so blatant that the writing became to fill in the silence between people acting like children on stage.
Picard is literally the most a show has EVER let me down
At its very best, Star Trek reached pinnacles of inaginative storytelling. This NextGen episode stands alongside the most memorable Original Series episodes.
If our modern leaders took more inspiration from this scene, what a would this could be
I wonder how much of that story this guy understood.
I think he got the basics, like "mad king, the wild man came and returned him to sanity after conflict, they became friends, went on adventure, wild man dead, king very sad"
Considering his race communicates only through metaphor, they're probably quite good at picking up new ones quickly.
Considering that he was dying from grievous wounds, perhaps not much. But the important thing to him was that Picard understood the premise of their means of communication, and was successful in bridging the gap between them. Picard could understand at least one of their stories, he could convey his own experience to them, and he would be able to overcome their difficulties for both peoples. That was enough for Dathon, now he could die knowing that his mission was accomplished.
He got it.
Sokath, his eyes uncovered!
"Heh heh... Gilgamesh..." This was the point in my life where I realized how much our stories can bring us together. Two very different and distant species and they both have the same sort of tales, and through them mutual understanding is gained.
I didn't know what uruk was until recently.
Its the oldest city in human history. Sumerian civilization. 7000 years ago.
As a writer and ancient history buff, this is my favorite TNG episode.
I know this is a beautiful episode, and an excellent scene and everything, but I still love that Picard now understands the context and syntax of their language, but fails completely to utilize it, meaning the other dude's just sitting there like, "I don't understand a word this mf sayin but he spittin"
Shakah, when the walls fell.
At least he communicates properly when it matters most and defuses the conflict.
"I'm not much of a storyteller."
The lie detector test determined that was a lie.
Picard, his modesty great.
What I really like about this scene is that we see in Lower Decks that the Tamrians and Federation have established solid communication eventually. Being a story based language and culture, it is a fascinating idea to think of the federation relaying the full story of "Picard and Dathon, at El-Adrel" and the story of Gilgamesh in a way the Tamarians would fully understand.
Brad Boimler tried to study it, but didn't grasp it well it seems. His only attempt to use it ended with him insulting Kayshon, the Tamrian in question, who said they'd been trying to loose weight.
"ha ha *cough groan* that is so Gilgamesh!"
This was the best scene of this episode
Sure helps to have a Shakespearean actor as part of the cast.
It's a shame that it is also the saddest, but that is often the case, isn't it?
This whole episode was a retelling of that tale, it took e a while to realize it what with the differences.
After all these years, it is still heart wrenching...
Gilgamesh :)
Enkidu. ;p
Tenagra.
My face. When Wesley speaks.
Still gets me in the feels
As it does for me as well.
And yet Star Wars is somehow the most popular Sci-Fi franchise.
because its for simpletons
What did the reply you got say? UA-cam, for reasons known only to itself, chose to hide it from us.
Picard, at Paramount
His legacy tainted
'Patrick Stewart with his Pit Bulls' can mean 'disappointment in someone you once admired'
Dathon immediately perks up when Picard starts telling the Epic of Gilgamesh. Even if he doesn't necessarily know the context of the story, it still means everything to him.
"Gilgamesh was called a god and a man. Enkidu was called an animal and a man. It is the story of their becoming human together."
One of my favourite TNG episodes of all time, just barely behind "Best Of Both Worlds".
I would have been 10 or 11 when i first saw this episode, even then I knew I was watching something special, and to this day, this stands out as one of the finest examples of sci fi storytelling
ANY story-telling. Sci-Fi notwithstanding.
I remember reading The Epic of Gilgamesh to help me with a D&D campaign. I wanted to understand more about the Sumers because of Tia matte. Then to see this Cliff Notes version of the Cliff Notes story being told on TNG.
Send us beans for our king! Spare us from his madness!
Thought this was a Lord of the Rings reference at first. Played myself
What's important is that you know now. We're not born pre-programmed with all of these cultural touchstones, they need to experienced. You have learned, and now you can teach others, which is ultimately the point of this episode.
Picard's story of Gilgamesh is pretty much Darmok and Jilad.
Does this human know that I’m dying and he’s rambling on about a story that I can’t understand?!
Please transport me off this planet!!
Captain Dathan wanted to listen. He requested it!
@@Kazuo1G He is in shock. I think he meant to say “Get me off this planet!!”
-Book of Eli part two
Dathon, having understood Picard's tale, sits up alertly and declares: "Sheer. Fucking. Hubris."
0:04 *"KIRA AND BASHIR"? I wonder...*
Picard and Dathon seem like they’d be BFFs.
So beautiful yet so sad
From the MLK mini series to the Wrath of Khan to The Terminator to now... has Paul Winfield ever played a role where his character DOESN'T get killed?
I forget the name but the landlord on "227".
Well, he's killing it here.
@@Grahf0 LOL, agreed. It's not easy to go up against Sir Patrick Fucking Stewart in a scene together, but he nails it in this episode.
"Sounder". His character is wrongly imprisoned but eventually gains his release.
Winfield and his co-star Cicely Tyson received Oscar nominations, and the film was also nominated for Best Picture.
Sean Bean, his inevitable fate
Picard, his mouth full.
This is some fucking ACTING holy shit
Gilgamesh... my friend.
Unkido was fallen.
"He who was my companion and friend... through adventure and hardship is gone forever."
How far to go for communication... for the chance to be understood.?
This scene: tj, his beans gone.
In Star Trek Online, when I got my _Sovereign_ class starship, I knew exactly what to name her:
The U.S.S. _Picard and Dathon at El-Adrel_
There's a story, a very ancient one, from Earth... I'll try and remember it... Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise...
Still one of the best episodes in all of Star Trek
Now, this was too good!
Gilgamesh!
Came for the Star Treks.
Didn't know it until the very end but _stayed for the Brak._ XD
I'm proud, guys. Not a single Fate reference in the comments.
This is such a wonderful scene
I wonder how many people knew who Gilgamesh was before this episode.
Very cool of Star Trek to shine a light on this unknown gem
The Voyager episode where the holographic Doctor struggled with the dilemma of choosing which of two dying patients to save, did something similar.
At the end, Janeway was reading to him Dante's La Vita Nuova, another work by the author of the Divine Comedy.
The first time I watched this when he brought up Gilgamesh I got so excited cause this episode really made me think of it, i felt really clever at the time for “figuring it out”. I don’t know if it was supposed to be more or less obvious to the audience or if I had the exact experience they hoped viewers would but i love this episode.
I love this episode so much
It would be cool if they christened a Federation ship called the Dathon
Hm, it seems even more strongly there that their universal translators also can convey a part of the message. Either he has to know what happened in that old tale or he doesn't, and then there wouldn't be an understanding. ... It gives an impression that the Tamarians just live for history reverence and really can communicate without it but have abandoned the habit to a large degree. It could be called a quite selfless way of thinking, so strongly that it is reflected in the language like this. ... Maybe he perceives Picard's language as a less evolved form but understands that things start there. (Would be quite Trek-style to try and see it flipped like that. Because their language seems to be harnessing emotion and experience in a potentially powerful way.)
Picard is a strong word diplomat, you could say, but he, too, has a component of acting, arranging, scheming, and now imagine just taking the words away.
Love this episode
Beautiful scene.
If you speak loudly and wave your arms, aliens will understand your language.
2:14 F-ing Gilgamesh at it again lol
Would be good to have heard in Picard season 3 as an off beat throw away comment that Picard mentioned he went back to el adrel to finish what was started (eg avenge the death of the captain by killing the beast of el adrel)
i watch this many times.
He bored the guy to death.
Maybe he should’ve shouted louder.
EDP, his left leg numb
I wonder, given just how deeply the Children of Tamar hold stories, if Picard had told a story where the wounded man lived, would Dathon, just maybe have pulled through?
I'd tell the story of the Thunderbird and the Sapling Bow
Gilgamesh and Enkidu at Uruk
my fave stngn
WHAT. I remember this episode, but I definitely forgot about the parallel between these two and Gilgamesh with Enkidu. Wow.
.. and when Picard told him how Gilgamesh denied Enkidus death untill the maggots dropped from the corpses nose, the shocked aliens sent all of their battleships straight to Earth, to destroy this godless planet and its inhabitants.
This scene is so metal, they made music videos about it.
"Dude wtf, I'm establishing cultural bridges here, don't fall asleep as I talk to you..."
The balls on this guy, fading out while I waxing diplomatic.Should be called the Children of Temerity. Holy shit.