Much credit is given to Worf for “taking it like a man,” but Data really shines here. Today, too often those in authority usurp and abuse their superior positions to bully those below them under the charade of justified discipline. But here, Data is able to counter every single one of Worf’s rejoinders with a rational justification that is both relevant and sound. He offers a chance for Worf to save face by offering a transfer sans a reprimand; and then he tops it off with a suggestion to make peace. It’s beautifully done and frankly, it’s stunning. Too many bosses today are juvenile morons who have no inkling of their responsibilities and who through dint of luck or just plain favoritism attempt to wrangle respect from their underlings. In here, the respect is not only earned, it’s freely and willingly offered by the one being reprimanded. It’s perfect.
The thing that really gets me with this scene is putting it beside the scene where data was commanding another ship as they were trying to hunt down some stealth romulans and his first officer was being insubordinate because he felt like data didn't respect human life. And that case data absolutely 100% completely strong armed the dude but it was 100% exactly what the dude needed and data had the dudes absolute respect by the end. I like the two scenes because it shows that data is able to recognize how the individual people will best respond and doesn't just have a carbon copy response for everyone.
@@RetroMaticGamer its really funny how those 'snowflakes' are often angry older men getting mad because some young girl asked if she could go to the washroom, too. really makes you think.
Geez dude… that just blind sided me. I just unlocked a core memory I had repressed. Yeah, who would’ve thought the most unrealistic part about Star Trek TNG wouldn’t be it’s technology, or sci-fi setting, but the way adults interact in a professional setting?
To reconcile the reality you face with the contrast of the level of professional respect you see on this show, all one must do is to emulate that behavior. Not everyone is as lucky as us Star Trek fans to be given exemplary forms of leadership. Be the change you want to see.
Of course because they my love you but they really love you if they check you and make sure you don't make their mistakes. That's why they're so hard on us
Adahop! How much youtube have you watched that I stumble across this reply? Granted its a year later, but damn, it's good to see you here! Star Trek, amirite?
Wasn't the Picard Maneuver the super short warp speed burst to the front of the enemy and then unload on them? Or am I missng the joke and its just about the uniform adjustment?
If only the world worked this way we would all be better off. Worf took the correction like a man instead of blaming others like we see way too often in society today.
If the world worked like this you would have a world of just North Korea. Pass. It might be fine, even necessary, in the military, but outside of that one should question blind authority and not just automatically believe what is told
+Dead Noobie - It's not about taking orders blindly- it's about respecting and following the proper chain of command. Worf wasn't reprimanded for questioning data or complaining to him, he got called out for doing it in public rather than in private which is seen by others as an attack on his authority. This is not North Korea- it is all free countries like the US, where a general can be relieved of duty/fired if he speaks out against his commander in public. If it was North Korea- Worf wouldn't have been reprimanded - he would have been executed and his family put in a prison camp- that's the difference.
@@Xerxes2005 An interview with the cast said that Data built his command methods with Picard as his example/role model. Definitely learned from the best!
Jesus! That people could only behave so civil and responsible today. The robot man and the space orc are more men than most. But just look at the entertainment we are consuming. Nothing of this class.
...I completely agree, but I think we can cut Brent some slack here... I feel like this is one of those situations where playing a character that aspires to be more human yet cannot feel emotions is nearly impossible to do without letting an inkling of feeling in here and there... if he's always 100% deadpan we can't really get a feel for Data's evolution as a character...
Like most of Data's attempts to be more human, he usually bases it on examples, so I would assume he's witnessed a senior officer giving a dressing down to a subordinate officer before and copied the same tone, hence the slight hint of bluntness in Data's speech and then when he apologises about the friendship, he turns back into caring Data.
Exactly, feels very much like the character Data has accessed his memory banks for suitable ways to deal with this situation and is acting on what he has found.
Data doesn't experience emotions, but he can emulate them. He's been shown before to appear intimidating/angry to impart orders, sometimes a captain needs to show he means business; Data understands this and can do so when necessary.
This scene has always been one of my favorites. I have Asperger's and don't always understand how people interact around me. I wanted to withdraw from people when I was younger, but Data taught me that I need to interact in the best way I know how to accomplish something in the world. Good people, like Worf, will understand if I have social goofs IF I have interacted with them enough for them to know what I am really like. It is still hard, but this has worked well for me over the years.
It also works out when you have good people who know your quirks, when you say something "autistic" and everyone assumes it was a clever joke or something, you're like "Haha... yeah..." and wondering WTF you said that was funny. And I can guarantee some of Data's innocent burns are not the "oh he doesn't know any better" kind, he is using his "disability" to his advantage lol
I had a similar experience. I only found out recently that I am high functioning autistic. Only then did I realize why I always related to Data so much.
Both Worf & Data, total professionals! In this case, both may not mutually agree on which how to proceed, but just the total mutual respect on their temporary roles. This was nicely done!
I also like how LaForge gives Data a look confirming to Data how improper that was. Also that Laforge cannot say so either, that would be more improper. Only Data had to handle that.
What a great point Star Trek made in that situation. Does everytime you are harsh with one of your friends mean you end the friendship? I'm not even talking if you are their superior, simple friends in private life. Or do you solve it the way Worf and Data solved it. Which i would call a perfect, grown-up and honest solution. It means really great sincerity from both of them to solve the situation in that way!
+rockys201 It's proper procedure to discipline/reprimand someone in private when lines are crossed. Anyone who does it in public for humiliation is failing in their leadership role.
But surprisingly similar in their differences, both outside the Federation norms, both unique and on their own. Both characters struggle with emotions, one understanding those of others and the other struggling with the immense drive of his own. Both characters are intelligent, incredibly strong and fiercely loyal but ultimately learning their way in a human driven world. Compare that to the characters we got in Voyager... Most of the bridge crew were walking planks of wood.
@@godalmighty83 Voyager's strongest characters were The Doctor, Seven of Nine and Janeway and obviously it's due to their characters having the most depth, interesting quirks and incredibly strong convictions.
THIS is what we need more of on TV today. Not more explosions and crazy plot twists, but actual meaningful interactions between believable characters, performed by talented actors.
What I like most is not just how professional and civil they are but also how they both are willing to move past this isolated incident and continue to be friends, I mean data has no ego or pride to keep him from that but atleast worf shows he values their friendship more than being right.
Data: -takes Worf into a private setting without making the reason overtly obvious to everyone else (even if they can probably infer it) -explains the problem immediately, making sure that Worf understands it by taking questions -offers the chance to be non-punitively reassigned -establishes Worf's firm commitment to solving the problem and agreement to the solution. There's a real leadership lesson here.
Actually, I think it is something Data would do. Watch some episodes and you'll see him emulate certain quirks or even general mannerisms of those around him. It's his way of trying to be more human, by doing things he observes humans doing. The "Picard Maneuver" would be right up his alley; especially given the high regard he has for Picard.
I'm using this clip from several angles to illustrate leadership and followership principles to my Scouts BSA troop. There's easily three hours of curriculum in this two minute video. So rich and well done.
@@Charles_Bro-son In Discovery this would turn into tensions and dramatic close ups across the entire episode, possible spilled over into the next, with a climax of a emotional speech that takes 10 minutes, a group hug and all characters stopping by the therapist to work on their feelings and trauma they just had to go through. And the Worf equivalent would of course be a man. A very "toxic" man, a man "stuck in the old ways".
Discovery and Picard made me return to TNG, and then I realized why I dislike new Trek so much. Even Voyager and Enterprise are good shows by comparison.
I think the way Brent conveys not so much anger, cos he’s not capable of that at this point in the time line, but disappointment, and THEN almost apologies.... perfect way to reprimand without ruination. Absolute gold.
+Thor Klauson lol It was nicknamed, then officially dubbed the Picard Maneuver by the cast and crew because of how often he does it. Everyone does it because the uniform is weirdly designed, but Picard is the clear leader.
I had a manager speak to me this way one time! At first it felt strange...and I wasn't accustomed to the detachness, but later on I realised that it was necessary! Now I know how to handle my situations with my 'crew' at work, and it works like a dream...most of the time. I learned a lot from Star Trek about life situation and how to handle day to day situations. Thanks for sharing! AND WHICH EPISODE IS THIS ONE?
Data's right the first officer in this case Worf should never show irritation with the Captain in this case Data in the presence of crew in his/her private quarter OK in a private meeting with the Captain maybe.
Yeah, the only flaw was bringing up Riker, because his attitude and actions towards Captain Jellico were far worse than and happened before what Worf did here
Worf was used to acting aggressively decisive, just like a security officer. 👏But, he needed to learn to be a bit more diplomatic while appointed as boatswain. 😉
To be fair to Worf, on board a Klingon ship, what the Captain says goes, any suggestions are considered a challenge to their authority eg Kurn and Riker "No Commander, it is not. If it were a Klingon ship, I would have killed you for offering your suggestion." So bluntly stating your commands and guidelines is likely more respected by a Klingon than a soft "Could you please not do that?" Human standpoint.
This is what I love about UA-cam! I was just thinking about this scene and with a few key strokes BAM. Back in the olden days I'd had to go to the video store or hope it popped up on cable.
When I was a teenager in the sixties, we didnt even have video stores...you had to wait untill it was on TV or the cinema. the only way you could listen to a song 'on demand' was to buy the record. I used to dream of a device that could play me almost any song ever recorded or TV show etc etc on command..I never imagined at the time I'd live long enough to see it actually happen.
There are two things about commander subordinate protocol that are really appreciate here. One is the nuance that often gets ignored that certain roles, like security, have an innate permission and even expectation and requirement to keep pushing if appropriate for the situation. It is the securities officer's jobs specifically to tell the captain that he's being a dumbass if he didn't listen the first time he was told he was being a dumbass and putting the ship in jeopardy. But I also love how in all these scenes they always dismiss and then re-engage, showing how the interaction is changing from a professional interaction to a personal interaction and you can tell the difference and how they speak to each other. Both refreshing nuances of command that aren't properly expressed on screen in most cases but TNG seems to often do very well.
This scene is just perfect. Word and Data are phenomenal, and I really like that the mere mention of Picard and Riker makes Worf realize his error. The crew, especially the bridge, hold those two in such high regard, even the hint that either would be disappointed is enough to give even a proud Klingon warrior pause.
Lots of comments about the actors' performances, but very few comments about the necessity for all of us to comport ourselves thusly in life. It takes real character to know one's place and to adapt oneself in accordance with wisdom's current requirements.
I'm serving in the USAF and we do this. But this is uncharacteristic of most of society right now. Keep in mind the Federation is still a military branch. It is nice to know at the end of the day, I set a higher standard in uniform. Can't say I didn't do my part.
Data was impeccable on how to approach the situation, to the point, but allowing Worf's argumentation. It ended on a friendly note, as in, I had to perform my duty, and I understand you may have emotional implications from it. But Worf took it as a champ, offered his point of view politely and understood his misbehavior galantly. If only people would watch this scene to learn how to be in either position.
"I do not recall Commander Riker ever publicly showing Irritation with his captain as you did a moment ago." I can recall two occasions: First When Sarek was suffering from Bendii Syndrome, he got into an argument with Picard over whether to confront Sarek about his condition. Second when he got into a huge argument with Captain Jellico that got him relieved of duty.
Yes but weren't the emotions from Sarek flooding the Enterprise with anger and hostility? Yes they did argue but I'm not sure it should be used as an example considering something like 50 crew members went royal rumble style in 10 forward and I doubt everyone if even anyone was held responsible for that fight.
+Jack Martinez He wasn't demoted, he was relieved of duty, they're two different things. Demotion is the reduction in rank as seen in "Star Trek IV the Voyage Home" and Star Trek Voyager's "Thirty Days" while being relieved of duty is merely being taken off of active duty by a superior officer (or chief medical officer who can do this regardless of rank) until they are deemed fit to resume their duties.
Love how Data does the little "Picard Maneuver" at the end... lol This scene also gave thousands of children vastly inflated expectations of professionalism in the workplace.
i just realized that data does not blink in this whole scene. All his “mind” is set to deal with the situation at hand so he has any RAM left for trivial subrutines such as looking human
It isn't just the Picard Manuever, it's great that Data even imitates how *Captain* Picard will take care of business, conclude with a "dismissed," then *Jean-Luc* Picard will stop them from leaving to address issues of a personal manner.
That's one of the things thats so good, he mimics what he sees others doing then puts his own spin on. There's so much depth to this scene. Top notch writing
i love that data's a master at impersonating everyone he comes into contact with but always chooses to go his own way whenever he ISN'T required to impersonate. he wants to be human, or at least pass as a human, so badly, but he won't cut corners and sacrifice his own unique voice by falsifying himself. he was the role model i needed at 5 years old, but better late than never hey
This one scene alone blows Discover and Picard out of the water. This show was made like it was written for adults, instead of sophomoric kids like the more recent star trek shows.
This relates to those who have been in Data's position by suddenly becoming the grand poohbah over those they literally a day ago were rank and file with, and further know their assignment is likely temporary only so they'd have to go back to the floor. It does create the tension that Data was trying to express of a lost friendship because of this issue - happens quite a bit.
When Data first calls to Worf, look at Worf's face as he turns. Looks like he lowly sighs 'What does he want now?' until locking eyes with Data, and his attitude is cordial.
The only reason why Data and Worf is able dicuss issue this way is that they both have mutual respect with each other. Its easy why this kind issue esp between Boss and employee goes south is one following - Employee feel that their opinion or suggestion are ignored and Boss order are expected to be carried out in absolute. - Boss acting tyrannical /power trip which make employee feel abuse - Arrogant employee who trying undermined Boss authority . That being said, Worf just admitting his mistake is rare trait even to everday people. As most people rarely like admit fault due to following. - Showing weakness can lead to bullying - Loss of personal ego - Admit fault which people take advantage of it for personal vendetta.
Much credit is given to Worf for “taking it like a man,” but Data really shines here. Today, too often those in authority usurp and abuse their superior positions to bully those below them under the charade of justified discipline. But here, Data is able to counter every single one of Worf’s rejoinders with a rational justification that is both relevant and sound. He offers a chance for Worf to save face by offering a transfer sans a reprimand; and then he tops it off with a suggestion to make peace. It’s beautifully done and frankly, it’s stunning. Too many bosses today are juvenile morons who have no inkling of their responsibilities and who through dint of luck or just plain favoritism attempt to wrangle respect from their underlings. In here, the respect is not only earned, it’s freely and willingly offered by the one being reprimanded. It’s perfect.
I couldn’t agree more
Speaking as someone who's worked 20 odd years in same place. The work place could stand to be a little more tng and less whatever it is now a days.
I enjoyed reading this comment, thanks for sharing your thoughts
The thing that really gets me with this scene is putting it beside the scene where data was commanding another ship as they were trying to hunt down some stealth romulans and his first officer was being insubordinate because he felt like data didn't respect human life. And that case data absolutely 100% completely strong armed the dude but it was 100% exactly what the dude needed and data had the dudes absolute respect by the end. I like the two scenes because it shows that data is able to recognize how the individual people will best respond and doesn't just have a carbon copy response for everyone.
@@JoeDCollins that’s a great comment.
This scene set unrealistic expectations of how I thought professionals would deal with each other in real life.
The expectations are indeed realistic. It's the snowflakes we're surrounded by that are the problem.
@@RetroMaticGamer its really funny how those 'snowflakes' are often angry older men getting mad because some young girl asked if she could go to the washroom, too. really makes you think.
Geez dude… that just blind sided me. I just unlocked a core memory I had repressed.
Yeah, who would’ve thought the most unrealistic part about Star Trek TNG wouldn’t be it’s technology, or sci-fi setting, but the way adults interact in a professional setting?
To reconcile the reality you face with the contrast of the level of professional respect you see on this show, all one must do is to emulate that behavior. Not everyone is as lucky as us Star Trek fans to be given exemplary forms of leadership. Be the change you want to see.
This is exactly how the real military operates.
Brent Spiner's role here is to act like an Android which acts like a stern captain and make it believable. Bravo to both actors
I know who I am! I'm the dude playing the dude, disguised as another dude.
The feeling when your favourite teacher goes full serious on you.
Of course because they my love you but they really love you if they check you and make sure you don't make their mistakes. That's why they're so hard on us
I always crack up at the end when he does the Picard Maneuver.
I hadn't noticed that. Now I can't unsee it. Data is emulating his role model.
Adahop! How much youtube have you watched that I stumble across this reply? Granted its a year later, but damn, it's good to see you here! Star Trek, amirite?
I was going to say the same thing.
Wow I never noticed that. It was more subtle, nice catch!
Wasn't the Picard Maneuver the super short warp speed burst to the front of the enemy and then unload on them? Or am I missng the joke and its just about the uniform adjustment?
Data doesn't always put his foot down, but when he does HOT DAMN
If only the world worked this way we would all be better off. Worf took the correction like a man instead of blaming others like we see way too often in society today.
If the world worked like this you would have a world of just North Korea. Pass. It might be fine, even necessary, in the military, but outside of that one should question blind authority and not just automatically believe what is told
Dead Noobie everyone needs to take criticism like men and stop whining when someone gives them a correction.
+Dead Noobie - It's not about taking orders blindly- it's about respecting and following the proper chain of command. Worf wasn't reprimanded for questioning data or complaining to him, he got called out for doing it in public rather than in private which is seen by others as an attack on his authority.
This is not North Korea- it is all free countries like the US, where a general can be relieved of duty/fired if he speaks out against his commander in public.
If it was North Korea- Worf wouldn't have been reprimanded - he would have been executed and his family put in a prison camp- that's the difference.
+CB981 Unfortunately we as a civilization are far from this ideal level of behavior.
Mlogan11 Word
Damn, Data makes a fine Captain.
It is above all an excellent imitation of Captain Picard.
@@Xerxes2005 An interview with the cast said that Data built his command methods with Picard as his example/role model. Definitely learned from the best!
*TNG Data*, modern Data on the other hand...
0:03 Amazing how a man who's eyes are obscured can convey "You really takin' that shit, Data?" with just a look.
I heard His Eyes loud and clear and they said "You better check this fool Data"
He's an experienced officer. The moment Worf made the remark, La Forge knew that Worf was way out of line.
That's why the man's a pro.
LMFAO I actually chuckled at that comment cause it's spot on
@@SayYes2Scorpions Yeah, that part isn't surprising. What's surprising is how expressive Geordi is even with his eyes hidden from view.
Jesus! That people could only behave so civil and responsible today. The robot man and the space orc are more men than most. But just look at the entertainment we are consuming. Nothing of this class.
Robot Man, and Space Orc... upvoted just for that :D
(agreed with the rest of the sentiment as well)
hahaha space orc??
Data would take offense to being called a robot :P
Space viking* Fixed that for you.
But Worf would be totally cool with space orc..."A proud and noble warrior society. I shall drink a barrel of blood wine in their honor."
For someone without emotions, Data sounds surprisingly terse here.
...I completely agree, but I think we can cut Brent some slack here... I feel like this is one of those situations where playing a character that aspires to be more human yet cannot feel emotions is nearly impossible to do without letting an inkling of feeling in here and there... if he's always 100% deadpan we can't really get a feel for Data's evolution as a character...
Like most of Data's attempts to be more human, he usually bases it on examples, so I would assume he's witnessed a senior officer giving a dressing down to a subordinate officer before and copied the same tone, hence the slight hint of bluntness in Data's speech and then when he apologises about the friendship, he turns back into caring Data.
+Joey Lock I agree. I think the fact that he pulls down on his uniform like Picard does furthers your point.
Exactly, feels very much like the character Data has accessed his memory banks for suitable ways to deal with this situation and is acting on what he has found.
Data doesn't experience emotions, but he can emulate them. He's been shown before to appear intimidating/angry to impart orders, sometimes a captain needs to show he means business; Data understands this and can do so when necessary.
This scene has always been one of my favorites. I have Asperger's and don't always understand how people interact around me. I wanted to withdraw from people when I was younger, but Data taught me that I need to interact in the best way I know how to accomplish something in the world. Good people, like Worf, will understand if I have social goofs IF I have interacted with them enough for them to know what I am really like. It is still hard, but this has worked well for me over the years.
It also works out when you have good people who know your quirks, when you say something "autistic" and everyone assumes it was a clever joke or something, you're like "Haha... yeah..." and wondering WTF you said that was funny. And I can guarantee some of Data's innocent burns are not the "oh he doesn't know any better" kind, he is using his "disability" to his advantage lol
I had a similar experience. I only found out recently that I am high functioning autistic. Only then did I realize why I always related to Data so much.
I have autism and don't really get how my friends are feeling this nailed it.
Love this story
You're gonna be ok it just comes down to give respect get respect
Both Worf & Data, total professionals! In this case, both may not mutually agree on which how to proceed, but just the total mutual respect on their temporary roles. This was nicely done!
Even Laforge realizes that Worf stepped across the line.
Even a blind man could see this.
He's an experienced officer. He knows what proper professional behavior is and isn't.
I just realized it was Geordy who signalled to Data.... you gonna do something about that???
"...but you're right, Data. She erred."
yeah you can tell by the look of his visor.
Data is the best character in star trek. period
One of the very best
He's up there for sure but she's no Spock.
I also like how LaForge gives Data a look confirming to Data how improper that was. Also that Laforge cannot say so either, that would be more improper. Only Data had to handle that.
This was very good dialogue.
What a great point Star Trek made in that situation.
Does everytime you are harsh with one of your friends mean you end the friendship?
I'm not even talking if you are their superior, simple friends in private life.
Or do you solve it the way Worf and Data solved it.
Which i would call a perfect, grown-up and honest solution.
It means really great sincerity from both of them to solve the situation in that way!
And he didn't even try to embarrass Worf by doing it in front of the crew, it was just the two of them. Some badassery there!
+rockys201 It's proper procedure to discipline/reprimand someone in private when lines are crossed. Anyone who does it in public for humiliation is failing in their leadership role.
The difference between someone who knows they have an actual leadership position, and a bullying twat who's too cowardly to say it one on one.
You want to know harsh?
A woman making last minute decisions and then expects me to just turn up. I politely say I can't, *boom* blocked on tinder.
Now that's an interesting dynamic of characters
But surprisingly similar in their differences, both outside the Federation norms, both unique and on their own. Both characters struggle with emotions, one understanding those of others and the other struggling with the immense drive of his own. Both characters are intelligent, incredibly strong and fiercely loyal but ultimately learning their way in a human driven world. Compare that to the characters we got in Voyager... Most of the bridge crew were walking planks of wood.
@@godalmighty83 Voyager's strongest characters were The Doctor, Seven of Nine and Janeway and obviously it's due to their characters having the most depth, interesting quirks and incredibly strong convictions.
@@godalmighty83 - True. He even said he considered Worf a "kindred spirit" due to them both being outsiders in his log for Data's Day
THIS is what we need more of on TV today. Not more explosions and crazy plot twists, but actual meaningful interactions between believable characters, performed by talented actors.
I love that Mr. Data did "The Picard Maneuver" at the end.
What I like most is not just how professional and civil they are but also how they both are willing to move past this isolated incident and continue to be friends, I mean data has no ego or pride to keep him from that but atleast worf shows he values their friendship more than being right.
Data:
-takes Worf into a private setting without making the reason overtly obvious to everyone else (even if they can probably infer it)
-explains the problem immediately, making sure that Worf understands it by taking questions
-offers the chance to be non-punitively reassigned
-establishes Worf's firm commitment to solving the problem and agreement to the solution.
There's a real leadership lesson here.
Data tuggin' at the bottom of his shirt like a Picard.
LIKE A BOSS!
The Picard maneuver. I gotta wonder if that was scripted or, if Spiner ad libbed it. :)
Most probably the latter. But it's not likely something Data would do either. Funny though.
Actually, I think it is something Data would do. Watch some episodes and you'll see him emulate certain quirks or even general mannerisms of those around him. It's his way of trying to be more human, by doing things he observes humans doing. The "Picard Maneuver" would be right up his alley; especially given the high regard he has for Picard.
He programmed himself to act Captainly
I'm using this clip from several angles to illustrate leadership and followership principles to my Scouts BSA troop. There's easily three hours of curriculum in this two minute video. So rich and well done.
Such an incredible scene, perfectly captures the magic of TNG.
In the so-called "Star Trek" we have today, this scene would have been a fist fight.
And yelling, so much yelling, whilst the camera rotated several times around them.
@@Charles_Bro-sonDon’t forget the lens flare!
@@Charles_Bro-son In Discovery this would turn into tensions and dramatic close ups across the entire episode, possible spilled over into the next, with a climax of a emotional speech that takes 10 minutes, a group hug and all characters stopping by the therapist to work on their feelings and trauma they just had to go through. And the Worf equivalent would of course be a man. A very "toxic" man, a man "stuck in the old ways".
No??
What show did that?
You guys need to stop listening to whatever Ben ‘my wife says a wet vagina is a disease’ Shapiro says about trek
his shirt pull at the end. YAS!
The Picard Maneuver.
I forgot how good this show was
How the hell could you forget? TNG was a masterpiece.
Discovery and Picard made me return to TNG, and then I realized why I dislike new Trek so much. Even Voyager and Enterprise are good shows by comparison.
@@Kelorel??? Voyager is amazing. Way better than TNG…
@@Woopaloops I don't disagree Voyager is a really good show, but we'll have to agree to disagree on it being better than TNG lol
@Kelorel my favorite is DS9. Although I haven't watched voyager or enterprise yet, im just now watching this episode so in nearing the end of TNG
*This* is writing. *This* is Star Trek.
*This* is the power of math
Yeah. I’d like to show this scene to the writers of Discovery…
I think the way Brent conveys not so much anger, cos he’s not capable of that at this point in the time line, but disappointment, and THEN almost apologies.... perfect way to reprimand without ruination. Absolute gold.
This is how I want all my arguments with my friends to end...
.... with a Picard tug at the shirt?
Data: Badass Subroutine activated.
With Picard and Riker not there, lots of yellow shirts on the bridge.
Not a lot of career advancement for those clowns.
Like The 23rd Century Starfleet Command when The Command Track was Gold Uniforms instead of The 24th Century Command Track Red.
The Picard shirt tug at the end...
+Adam Girod Don't you mean riker shirt tug?
+Thor Pedersen Picard does it too when he's handled a command issue.
+Thor Pedersen Riker's just too tall for Starfleet-issue shirts.
+Adam Girod lmao
+Thor Klauson lol It was nicknamed, then officially dubbed the Picard Maneuver by the cast and crew because of how often he does it. Everyone does it because the uniform is weirdly designed, but Picard is the clear leader.
I had a manager speak to me this way one time!
At first it felt strange...and I wasn't accustomed to the
detachness, but later on I realised that it was necessary!
Now I know how to handle my situations with my 'crew'
at work, and it works like a dream...most of the time.
I learned a lot from Star Trek about life situation and how
to handle day to day situations. Thanks for sharing!
AND WHICH EPISODE IS THIS ONE?
It's from part two of the two-part episode "Gambit". The full info on the episode can be found here: www.imdb.com/title/tt0708722/?ref_=fn_al_tt_2
The stares that data and Gordi set the mood of tension perfectly
Data's right the first officer in this case Worf should never show irritation with the Captain in this case Data in the presence of crew in his/her private quarter OK in a private meeting with the Captain maybe.
What an awesome moment.
+Jason Wilson YOU'RE an awesome moment
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Yeah, the only flaw was bringing up Riker, because his attitude and actions towards Captain Jellico were far worse than and happened before what Worf did here
Worf was used to acting aggressively decisive, just like a security officer. 👏But, he needed to learn to be a bit more diplomatic while appointed as boatswain. 😉
This video should be re-titled, "Data tells Worf to stop being a bitch."
And Worf takes it like a MAN! Respect for both!!!
To be fair to Worf, on board a Klingon ship, what the Captain says goes, any suggestions are considered a challenge to their authority eg Kurn and Riker "No Commander, it is not. If it were a Klingon ship, I would have killed you for offering your suggestion."
So bluntly stating your commands and guidelines is likely more respected by a Klingon than a soft "Could you please not do that?" Human standpoint.
Neehh
This scene is great... but it's the acting that really brings it home. Well done.
This is what I love about UA-cam! I was just thinking about this scene and with a few key strokes BAM. Back in the olden days I'd had to go to the video store or hope it popped up on cable.
Ah yes... The 1900's... I too lived through the dark ages
When I was a teenager in the sixties, we didnt even have video stores...you had to wait untill it was on TV or the cinema. the only way you could listen to a song 'on demand' was to buy the record.
I used to dream of a device that could play me almost any song ever recorded or TV show etc etc on command..I never imagined at the time I'd live long enough to see it actually happen.
What is this 'video' you talk about?
Cable? you mean from the X men?
@@shino8854 yes, Hyper Viper Beam
Just a second too soon, didn't get the full suit pull..
I have watched this scene so many times I have never noticed data straighten his shirt like picard at the end lol love it
There are two things about commander subordinate protocol that are really appreciate here. One is the nuance that often gets ignored that certain roles, like security, have an innate permission and even expectation and requirement to keep pushing if appropriate for the situation. It is the securities officer's jobs specifically to tell the captain that he's being a dumbass if he didn't listen the first time he was told he was being a dumbass and putting the ship in jeopardy.
But I also love how in all these scenes they always dismiss and then re-engage, showing how the interaction is changing from a professional interaction to a personal interaction and you can tell the difference and how they speak to each other.
Both refreshing nuances of command that aren't properly expressed on screen in most cases but TNG seems to often do very well.
This scene is just perfect. Word and Data are phenomenal, and I really like that the mere mention of Picard and Riker makes Worf realize his error. The crew, especially the bridge, hold those two in such high regard, even the hint that either would be disappointed is enough to give even a proud Klingon warrior pause.
Awesome Word.
Lots of comments about the actors' performances, but very few comments about the necessity for all of us to comport ourselves thusly in life. It takes real character to know one's place and to adapt oneself in accordance with wisdom's current requirements.
Why can't this be the way people handle things
Actually they do, in military. As an alternative they can just punch each other's faces and the result is the same. Problem solved in a minute.
For starters, there are too many people that want to see certain things happen, and they'll encourage that, instead of being actually supportive.
It's called bad parenting.
I'm serving in the USAF and we do this. But this is uncharacteristic of most of society right now. Keep in mind the Federation is still a military branch. It is nice to know at the end of the day, I set a higher standard in uniform. Can't say I didn't do my part.
Data dropped that hammer!!
Data was impeccable on how to approach the situation, to the point, but allowing Worf's argumentation. It ended on a friendly note, as in, I had to perform my duty, and I understand you may have emotional implications from it. But Worf took it as a champ, offered his point of view politely and understood his misbehavior galantly. If only people would watch this scene to learn how to be in either position.
Such a powerful and lasting star trek moment.
Worf's reaponse ❤
So many lessons in a mere 2 minutes. This is why Star Trek was ground breaking, especially the episodes based around Data.
Agreed. Even little things, like noticing how neither character interrupts the other.
Data should have had his own command, best TNG character ever besides Q
I remember the episode Data got command of a ship other than Enterprise and he did excellent
Nice touch! Spiner does a great Patrick Stewart even as Data doing Picard!
excellent example of an authoritative management style - lucky though that warf was not offended
Data is my all time favorite Star Trek character of any of the Trek spinoffs
Never noticed the shirt pull at the end until now. Nice, subtle.
Data: Lieutenant, may I see you in the Ready Room?
Worf: No.
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Lol
I love this scene so much. Definitely one of the best scenes in all of TNG, hell all of Trek.
that's the most adult content I've ever seen on UA-cam. What a great written dialog. 👌
I really miss the pre-Kurtzman days of Star Trek, when outright mutiny wasn't a daily occurrence.
Just a perfect lesson from 'Master Data'
"I do not recall Commander Riker ever publicly showing Irritation with his captain as you did a moment ago." I can recall two occasions:
First When Sarek was suffering from Bendii Syndrome, he got into an argument with Picard over whether to confront Sarek about his condition.
Second when he got into a huge argument with Captain Jellico that got him relieved of duty.
+Dom Oranzi that second time did get him demoted though, and Picard did have a talk with him about the first
Yes but weren't the emotions from Sarek flooding the Enterprise with anger and hostility? Yes they did argue but I'm not sure it should be used as an example considering something like 50 crew members went royal rumble style in 10 forward and I doubt everyone if even anyone was held responsible for that fight.
+Jack Martinez He wasn't demoted, he was relieved of duty, they're two different things. Demotion is the reduction in rank as seen in "Star Trek IV the Voyage Home" and Star Trek Voyager's "Thirty Days" while being relieved of duty is merely being taken off of active duty by a superior officer (or chief medical officer who can do this regardless of rank) until they are deemed fit to resume their duties.
Jellico was a narcissist who deserved it.
Acting Captain, Acting First and Acting Second all in the gold/mustard uniform.
A unique moment.
Brilliant lesson on hierarchical decorum here.
This is really a great scene showing the dynamic between their friendship and respective ranks as well
Love how Data does the little "Picard Maneuver" at the end... lol
This scene also gave thousands of children vastly inflated expectations of professionalism in the workplace.
This is my all-time favorite moment in the series.
two best characters in one room
i just realized that data does not blink in this whole scene. All his “mind” is set to deal with the situation at hand so he has any RAM left for trivial subrutines such as looking human
Notice at the end, that Data did the "Picard maneuver" with his hand pulling down on his uniform shirt. :)
It's scyfy, but not only about the technology, it's more about their level of communication
Great writing. I miss this type of professional exchange in modern movies when conflict arises.
Data is made of 100% pure awesome.
"May I see you in ready room." Then imagine the fighting scene, Lore vs Worf in the turbo lift.
This was the epitome of Star Trek
It isn't just the Picard Manuever, it's great that Data even imitates how *Captain* Picard will take care of business, conclude with a "dismissed," then *Jean-Luc* Picard will stop them from leaving to address issues of a personal manner.
That's one of the things thats so good, he mimics what he sees others doing then puts his own spin on. There's so much depth to this scene. Top notch writing
i love that data's a master at impersonating everyone he comes into contact with but always chooses to go his own way whenever he ISN'T required to impersonate. he wants to be human, or at least pass as a human, so badly, but he won't cut corners and sacrifice his own unique voice by falsifying himself. he was the role model i needed at 5 years old, but better late than never hey
This one scene alone blows Discover and Picard out of the water. This show was made like it was written for adults, instead of sophomoric kids like the more recent star trek shows.
This relates to those who have been in Data's position by suddenly becoming the grand poohbah over those they literally a day ago were rank and file with, and further know their assignment is likely temporary only so they'd have to go back to the floor. It does create the tension that Data was trying to express of a lost friendship because of this issue - happens quite a bit.
One of the most human moment of Data
In modern Trek they all just scream at each other and act emotionally, I miss real Trek hopefully one day we will get it back.
One of my favorite scenes in the series
When Data first calls to Worf, look at Worf's face as he turns. Looks like he lowly sighs 'What does he want now?' until locking eyes with Data, and his attitude is cordial.
the shirt pull at the end, acting like captain Picard... priceless!
The speed of his mouth is astonishing. Great respect to Brent for pulling this off. It probably took about 30-40 takes lol.
It is a disservice to Gene Roddenberry and loyal Trek fans that the newer Star Trek TV series and movies lack this kind of thoughtful dialogue...
Indeed, it turned into a lame version of star wars. I'm convinced that 12 year olds were writing the scripts
Data does a good Picard impression! :D
Star Trek: Data
75 years after TNG Data finally gets his own command.
Make it so.
This clip reminds us of how well written and intelligent Star Trek used to be. TNG in particular is packed with lessons in good character.
“Such a masterclass in writing and dialogue between two adults who both respect and disagree with one another”.
Critical Drinker
Wow, they solved a problem through intelligent discourse. Too bad we're incapable of that now.
The only reason why Data and Worf is able dicuss issue this way is that they both have mutual respect with each other.
Its easy why this kind issue esp between Boss and employee goes south is one following
- Employee feel that their opinion or suggestion are ignored and Boss order are expected to be carried out in absolute.
- Boss acting tyrannical /power trip which make employee feel abuse
- Arrogant employee who trying undermined Boss authority .
That being said, Worf just admitting his mistake is rare trait even to everday people. As most people rarely like admit fault due to following.
- Showing weakness can lead to bullying
- Loss of personal ego
- Admit fault which people take advantage of it for personal vendetta.
Major props to Brent Spiner for “being mad” and not “being mad” at the same time. That’s got to be one of the hardest things to do as an actor
Somebody got a course correction without getting destroyed. Awesome.
That was some serious badassery
Data turned me on here.
He is fully functional...
lol, yep
Hahaha, sick ref
Fun fact: Brent Spiner received a disproportionately large amount of amorous fan mail than the rest of the cast, especially from women.
Man, despite the friction, I think they'd end up being a killer combo commanding a starship.
Holy shit, if only people were as direct with one another as Data and Worf here.