INTEL says DON'T buy their GPU if you have older CPUs...
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2022
- Intel ARC GPUs are gaining popularity among potential buyers, but this one feature might limit your ability to use one!
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so does this mean that any mobo/cpu combination that has had a resizable bar firmware update would work? You wouldn't need a 10th gen cpu or newer then?
As far as we can tell yes. ASUS has some mobos with resizable bar bios available for 9th gen CPUs. It just sounds like Intel can only vouch for 10th gen and higher as a launched feature on the chipset.
@@Jayztwocents Interesting. Thanks for the reply. I'm only wondering because I'm still on the 8700K with an Asus Prime Z370-A and there was a resizable bar update for my mobo.
@@poiisondn I'm on the i7 8700 as well with a Gigabyte Z370 HD3P motherboard that has resizable bar option. One of the bios updates put it in.
@Don't Read My Profile Photo or what?
@@Jayztwocents yeah I have a 9900k and I’m able to enable resizable bar.
Definitely not a day 1 purchase but I do really hope it can disrupt the market a bit. The design is really appealing to me though, I love the simplicity of it and could see it look awesome in a vertical mount!
There seems to be an increasingly larger number of caveats regarding the cards hardware and drivers. Fair enough about the hardware needs, they are being pretty transparent about it. The drivers hopefully will have been improved since the a3xx's tests.
the fact it doesnt take up 3 PCI slots is a nice touch
Someone posted a video of the A770 compared to the 3070 and even with RTX on the A770 was only about 5-10 FPS behind the 3070. I mean the A770 is going to be about half the price of a 3070. People just need to understand it's a 1st gen product that's going to have some growing pains. If it can perform in between a 3060 and 3070 for less money than a 3060, I think that's a win for Intel. I really hope they stick with it and release a 2nd gen card.
It will only disturb the market if it is a wanted day 1 purchase.
Agreed on the aesthetics. Really don't care for the hot wheels + RGB thing everyone is doing.
A lot of older boards got a bios update more then a year ago. So even if you have a 8th gen you can probably use it.
Same with Ryzen 2000 series
i have an 8700k with a tuff z370 plus gaming, had a gtx 1080ti, rebar not available with that card, got a 3070ti and rebar suddenly became usable. i do also have the latest bios update as well so there that is.
@@spectertwotwo 1080ti doesn’t support resizable bar so that makes sense. The option will only appear if the bios knows that the card supports it
@@MarshallSambell what is rebar?
This is some bro logic right here at work...
To those people who would try to enable the resize bar and is stuck on bios setting loop, you need to go to boot tab in advanced settings and enable CSM. this happens because our OS partition is on MBR and need to convert to GPT
this should be higher so more people know!
We need to see the performance on ARC with the 8th and 9th gen with bios updated to allow rebar. Run the numbers, Jay!
depends on the mobo, but yes, BAR can be found on Intel 8th & 9th gen platform
But you still need to have a cpu that supports resizable bar
@@AlluzHH All Coffee Lake CPUs support rebar.
I REALLY hope Intel ARC succeeds. It'd be good for consumers if there were more than two vendors out there.
From the sound of it, you seem impressed with the cards and I am now interested in seeing the reviews.
man you really have hope for intel tbh i never had any hope for them becasue of how terrible their built in gpus suck
@@CyberGamingStudiosOfficial I agree, intel must be really fooling themselves if they think they have any share of the pc enthusiast market. However, I can see them capturing a share of those that make budget builds. For clarification, I'm talking about the present, they could totally take over in the future, but I'm not the kind of person to go predicting that stuff when it comes to technology.
They are really only competing with AMD, you know, the brand they don't even compare themselves to. Nvidia has CUDA, which is pretty much mandatory for anyone to have who works in any sort of content creation, so while they can suffer a blow or two in total revenue, they will always have people who are slaves to their unique technology.
@@lunchbox1553 They’re integrated gpu’s that’s why they’re so bad. Argument is invalid. I can see Intel aiming at the high end market in a few years.
you expect intel to be good competition? Even if they make good GPU it will cost the same as others.
2:47 Technically you can get resizable bar on 8th and 9th gen CPUs however that requires you to update the bios on your 300 series motherboard. Lots of people don't like to update their bios on their motherboards, but rebar is available if you're on like say a 9700 or whatever if you don't mind updating bios. I used to have z390 motherboard and had resizable bar enabled on it after updating my bios, so I know it works on Coffee Lake, because I've done it.
I have it enabled on my 9700k on an Aorus z390 motherboard.
In case anyone who needs to know, I have updated bios on my Asus Z390-I on my 9900k and it has resizable bar with a 3080 FTW3
That's what I was going to say too :) I have i9 9900k on Z390 Aorus Master and Re-BAR works wothout any problems with my RTX 3080 :)
Don't think my 8th gen chilling in my modded z170 board is gonna get ReBar. lol
@@bhume7535 Definitely not, would need to upgrade to a 300 series board or a whole new processor and platform. Though for the price of a 300 series board these days, you could probably buy a low end B660 board and a 12100.
I have the 5600x with 3070 ti, and the Resizable Bar support really does increase the performance in some of my games up to 15%. It’s a nice little feature
Kinda sucks that this is the case though, considering a large portion of the target market for these cards would likely have older CPUs. It defeats the purpose a bit for going for the mid-lower end market.
Same, was going to try one of these for my parents system with a crappy GTX970, but the Skylake platform would be too old for this
Yeah, I’ll have to raincheck this I think. The computers I would put this in are too old.
@@johnbuscher This sounds like a good choice if your trying to build a new budget system, but if you are just trying to upgrade a GPU most likely on an older platform. This does not seem like an option, and would be worth more trying to find maybe a nVidia 2060 or 3060 that don't require BAR which are starting to be found cheep due to 4000 coming out soon. Might try to find a 3060 for there PC eventually
yeah this is beyond stupid. "let's market this as the budget build GPU savior but let's not make it run properly for the vast majority of budget builds out there". 5head move right there.
I think Intel was originally aiming for the high end market, but took too long. Both Nvidia and AMD blew them out of the water.
9th gen does have re-bar support, they released motherboard bios updates for it. and is recognized in the nvidia driver as "enabled"
Agreed, my 9900K runs with resizable bar enabled on a gigabyte z390 auros ultra
@@kamelionify what is resizable bar enabled?!???!
Vary excited to see where these end up maturing to. They look great. they say they have mid range performances. I’m excited to see actual performance from you and other UA-camrs. I hope these are another option in the market because more Competition between companies usually means better for consumers.
I really like their card's low-key "non gamer" styling. Hoping they stick it out into a 2-3nd generation of gpu's. Did the suits think it would be easy to develop hardware/software and get into this mature market? It reasonable to expect a five year effort, then reevaluate your results. You're gonna have to risk a big pile of cash to establish a presence.
Modern GPU design is the aesthetic equivalent to AXE body spray.
Funny that once there's no leds it's a "non gamer" design 😆
@@thisColdDecember haha I like the lack of "edgy" sharp plastic lines and shapes.
@@thisColdDecember not just leds, the 30 series founders edition cards are a good example.
@@aaronriggs4430 lmao most accurate description I've ever seen 😂😂
My only concerns with the Arc GPUs are DX11 support and driver stability. Waiting for the reviews and hoping these are discussed!
Oh this will be discussed, driver problems are being speculated upon for a year now
Just use dx12
@@lukeX2m And what about games/titles that don't offer D3D12 support? I wonder if DXVK would help there.
it will be eventually fixed
It's a driver issue, so it can be fixed with software updates.
I think there's an idea for one whole video here Jay! Test how big the performance gap is with and without rebar enabled. And test it with both supported and unsupported platforms. I have two 9th gen Intel Asus motherboards in the house and they both had the official rebar BIOS update. Even though they are not officially supported, it could work just fine. Needs testing.
x299 actually has resizable bar (I have it enabled on my two systems with a 7920x and 7960x), so there are older platforms than even 9th gen which support it
Hey Jay I have a 9900k and have resizable bar enabled. Asus offered an updated BIOS for the Maximus Hero XI that enabled it!! Mention this to Phil lol
Thank you for updating us with this news and it’s good to know what to expect with this GPU which I’m very excited to buy and support intel in GPU hardware. Only time will tell how it goes in the long run. Keep up the good work 👍
Resizeable BAR is not officially supported on 9th gen, but some motherboards do have the possibility with the right bios version to enable it
So, resizable bar actually can be enabled on some z370/390 motherboards, but it is required to have a bios update and is very similar to the beta bios for B450 boards/5000 series. I have rebar on my z390 Aorus Master and 9900k with the 3070ti and it DOES WORK. If you have a z370/z390 board, double check the support page of your motherboard and see if rebar is any of the change logs. I do know that gigabyte has quite a few motherboards they updated the bios for rebar.
so do I
Works also with my Asus ROG Strix Z390-F Gaming / 9900k.
Even my ancient ASRock Fatal1ty Gaming K6 Z370 Board received a BIOS update which enabled ReBAR (ASRock calls it CAM). Works flawless in combination with a 9900K and a RX5700XT
Does it work on Asus z390p
@@maanmahmoud4537 There is a BIOS update available also for Asus Z390-P that adds the support for Resizable BAR.
The Intel Driver & Support Assistant used to have an ARC GPU compatibility check that looked if resizable bar was enabled, but they removed it.
Well considering how important resizable bar is going to be to their upcoming gpus you would think they would bring back that option?
@@kurtisrinker1202 No, and here is why. The problem is, even if your older motherboard gets a BIOS update to support resizable bar it will only work if you put in the newer CPU that supports it. People will assume that if their motherboard supports resizable bar; any CPU you put in it will work. They would be wrong and Intel does not want to have to deal with telling them why.
Edit: It would also show a fail test if you had an updated motherboard and CPU but an older GPU that didn't support resizable bar.
@@BansheeBunny Intel has supported resizable BAR on the CPU side since broadwell lol
@@dreamhackian4864 Resizable Bar is only supported on Intel Comet Lake and AMD Zen 3 and newer CPUs.
my brand new ASUS x670e TUF motherboard had resizeable bar enabled by default. AMD and ASUS are already treating it like an expected default tool. As for the arc A380, Linus was teasing an upcoming video where the a380 is used as a dedicated encode/transcode card alongside a main gpu because of it av1 support.
Will you test the difference between perfomance with ReBar on and off? Would be interesting!
I have enabled resize bar support on my Asus rs b550f\ with Ryzen 5600x after this video, and really got a little performance improvement, with a 2070 super (At least in 3d mark, still not tested in game). Thank you Jay!
To enable it in Asus bios, go to Advanced pci subsystem settings, then enable "above 4g decoding" and then put "Resize bar support" on AUTO
The use case I am hoping for is virtualization (IF they let us share a GPU between multiple VMs) and perhaps video encode on my media server/NAS. In both cases I will not have resizable BAR support and I'll be on Linux. If I get one for use with virtualization it will also be on PCIe 2.0. Really, my goal wouldn't be so much performance as it would be other features. I'm hoping Arc will turn out well. I'd like to have a reason to buy it. But at this point I will be waiting.
Did you manage to get the card working on pcie 2.0? I just got my A770 and my current pc doesnt wanna boot with the card in its pcie 2.0 x16
Some 8/9th Gen boards got a bios update that added Rebar support. Have seen at least my MSI and an ASUS board get an update for it.
Thank your for the very usefull advice Jay. Keep the good work m8!
Resizable BAR Is a feature the motherboard must support. Select Z390 MSI motherboards (running 9th gen Intel processors) do in fact support rebar. I have a Z390-A PRO with this feature after a BIOS update.
Same I had a z390i motherboard that did support resisable bar but now I gave that build to my brother
Hope we get to see some tests once the embargo lifts so we can see just how crippled these cards will get on say a 2600X no REBAR vs a 5600X with and without REBAR.
Would this create an issue if its being used for its AV1 in a 2 PC stream setup?
8Th gen Coffielake (8000 series) has often bioses that enable Re-bar. At least mine had, so i find it odd with the 10th gen earliest support, (and 400 series/10th gen was still only on PCI-E gen 3.0 as well), so it seems a bit odd.
Yep same with my 9th gen. I think the reason they are saying 10th gen is that most people don't like to update their motherboard's bios and that's the earliest gen that had that feature by default.
Was hoping I might be able to pick up an Intel GPU but seems like my 4th gen Intel will be an issue for it sadly.
Jay, looks like perfect solution for next video, to show people what kind of divergence is when it's enabled and when it's disabled.
Jay should do a test on the systems literally from 4th gen. I have a feeling Arc will work with older systems but will be slower
I'm literally about to try it
@@savlosavage and now?
@Jelly lol it just shows up as as pcie 16 card 🤣... no real support but it did work... kinda .... couldn't even update the drivers properly 😒.... all in all I ended up just switching to a 7th gen
Don't know if other brands have it but the Aorus z390 Master did have a bios updated back in January 2021 that did allow you to enable rebar - went and checked mine and do see the option, but don't have a rebar-supported GPU to test it out with
yeah this would work with that.
Basically all brands did this
I have rebar in z390 godlike
Glad you posted this cause I have a 1600 and was thinking about getting one
Can you potentially test what this effect will have on performance? Like having it and not having it enabled?
LTT already tested that, but it is on the previous arc GPU release. Sometimes it makes little to no difference, and other times a large one.
I'll definitely consider it when I build a new system in the next 2-3 years.
I tried an A380 on an X79 Chipset , and it was a no go, wouldn't even recognize there was a video card in the system. The same card did boot on a Ryzen 2600x system(ReBAR on!).
reBAR is supported at least on some 9th gen Intel systems.
AsRock released beta BIOS versions with reBAR support for some boards, including my Z370 Extreme4.
Saw the spec requirements in their announcement, yep... currently a big nope on my i7-6700 then. 🤣 I've been thinking of building a new PC for a year or two now but this one still works decently well for what I do. The ARC encoding and decoding features sounded interesting for video editing, but I don't want a gimped experience even at the price of the A750 (thought it would be $200 anyways). Intel seems to have cut corners in design and drivers to get it out even at this point. Odd because I don't see how it's that big of a stretch compared to integrated graphics.
Jay,
My 8th gen Intel board (Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 7) got a BIOS update that enabled Resizeable BAR support, I was able to enable it and it works on my 8700k
Cool, I have a MSI Z390 that has a BIOS update that supposedly supports it, it would be interesting to see if our systems work with the Intel GPUs
i’m genuinely excited for Arc, i do plan on buying one just for curiosity sake. and if i get 3060 equivalent power out of it awesome. if i don’t, it’s cool to have as a part of history. (if intel does decide this is the new spot for them from here on out)
Thanks for the comment about the G series 6:02 for the amd I was thinking I could go that route for a separate build but now I'll just be trying this with my 5800x
Just want to point out that 9th gen can support rebar. It depends on the motherboard manufacturer to release a firmware to unlock it. I know this because I have a Gigabyte Z390 aorus master and a 3080 FTW3 and the EVGA software shows the feature as available after I updated the BIOS. Does it actually do anything is perhaps a different question.
Yes I was about to come and say this. 9700k with Rebar available and on
2700X does have SAM. It's in the bios as an option.
For those with MSI: Although it's AMD, my MSI B550 mobo still calls it "Re-Bar". It's under PCI settings, also enable "Above 4G Encoding".
Hey @drivenkeys I'm a fairly newby PC dude, so how do I go about accessing these settings?
Do I have to go into the BIOS?
@@jamestowers7176 Keep pressing Delete at startup until you get to UEFI Bios. It's in the manual, and also a lot of videos on UA-cam.
@@DrivenKeys Thank you, I appreciate it.
Jay. You maybe mistaken. My 9th gen Intel main board had a bios update to enable resizeable bar.
Thanks Jay for clearing up some confusion for me. Last week I was messing around with an intel update. With intel updater software and it had a link wanting to to turn on rebar in my bios and checking my system for qualification for the new intel gpu’s! I do have a 10gen 10900kf
I want to see what happens if someone tries to run these cards on a system that doesn't match their requirements. I would love to see what would happen if you tried to run them on an 8th gen core I5 or and amd fx.
It'd probably work. Just perform like crap
Just look at the gamers nexus a380 review and see the difference between rebar on and off. It will probably be a bigger difference on the a770 and a750.
it can be troublesome to get work on some mobos, but generally works.
But expect issues and bad performance if so
CHUG-CHUG-CHUG.
30% slower, and they're already slow. A770 is a BIG DIE GPU that was meant to be a fairly high end chip..no matter what the marketing is saying now.
Resizable BAR works just fine on intel 9th gen on the Z390 platform. There are some hoops to jump through to get it going, but reports are not too bad.
i was thinking my 9900k has a resizable bar option, was thinking would it work....
Some Z370 motherboards have resizeable bar on latest bios revisions. Some ASUS motherboards include re-size bar on latest bios despite not showing it in changelogs. Lots of AMD 300 series motherboards have resize bar, but some motherboards may misbehave with new bioses if people still have 1xxx series Ryzen.
Exactly, running rebar on in bios level on a z390 board
Glad I saw this, was thinking of one of these for my aging Ryzen 5 2600.
9th Gen does support rebar, depending on the motherboard and proper BIOs. I have it enabled on my nephews pc running an I9 9900k with a GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI motherboard and a 6800xt gpu.
me too
@Jayztwocents Resizeable BAR works just fine on my 9th gen 9900k, z390 Asus Strix Mobo, 3090 Ti system just fine.
Just needed a bios update and enabled it in bios settings.
I'm not sure if the same is available or possible for the rest of the 9th generation systems but mine definitely has support and I'm actively using it.
me too!
We need further testing yeah
It'll be interesting to see how rebar gets used.
I was shocked to see the performance gains some games would get with my 6700XT and 3700x using SAM.
I am just excited for 2nd and 3rd gen intel GPUs. They are probably the ones that will truly compete.
I may not buy it in October, but the Arc a770 LE is on my list for purchase in a few months. I want to see how driver support plays out first.
buy a 1080ti
that may not be an option, depending on how Intel plays this 'release'. no one knows how many of these Intel is making
@@knightsljx A slow release plays into my plan, as users systems are utilized as test benches forcing Intel to update drivers.
This video made me check my motherboard bios to see if resizable bar was on. It wasn’t so it’s now enabled. Never heard of it until this video.
Thanks for information
some 9th gen boards had it as a beta feature (the msi godlike z390 as an example) but yeah.. makes sense. i used rebar on a 9900k and nvidia driver inspector to see what helped with benchmarks and what didntt.
it's more than just a beta feature on some ~ it's full support
Intel Arc: For when you blew your budget on everything else but still need a GPU.
luckily rx 6600 is cheaper and it works.
@@FLCLimaxxx I do have a 6600 XT, but slightly gimped because I have a PCIe 3.0 board and it's a x8 card. It's 4.0 compatible and I've heard it can benefit from the added bandwidth at x8. I also have an i5-8400, so no rebar or SAM for me.
I hope they keep working on this and refining it, would LOVE to see a 4080/90/7900xt(is that a thing?) competitor come out, if they do and the performance is even close (and compatibility...) then I'll pick one up. Very much like the low key aesthetics of what they're doing.
Also, EVGA should get on board and become an AIB for them! Holy cow, talk about opportunity!!!!!
Intel has said they want to start at the low end and work up, so it'll likely be in the 6080/90 and 9900 series that they're up to that level... but fingers crossed they get there!
Thank you for this. I was looking to update and would have gotten one day 1. You saved me. I never would have thought there would be much of a difference in the generations.
"I never would have thought there would be much of a difference in the generations" That makes no sense, you literally should expect things to change generation to generation...
@@bigbay1159 Not everyone is tech savvy or follows all the tech upgrades every year to track. I've fallen behind in the 10 years. Before that, I kept my stuff mid-range because I did not really game surf. When I had to update my cards for the same MMO, I noticed only slight increases.
6:49 At the moment, NO Jayz, it depends on the games you play (with both nVidia and AMD).
Many games will benefit from ReBar, but some games will perform worse.
Check HW Unboxed videos about it.
Best thing to do would be to do a quick test on the games you play the most, to see if it's worth it.
I really like the backplate on these GPUs. It's simple yet stylish at the same time imo.
It would be interesting to see the difference between no rebar and rebar on.
re-size bar can be found in 8th gen intel cpus which i used on my z370-i and i7-8700k
Worth mentioning that you can't turn on re:bar if you're on MBR (legacy BIOS), as opposed to the GPT (UEFI) that it requires, even if physically your hardware supports it.
What a "fun" surprise it was when I realized my dumbass transferred Windows to my SSD as MBR and converting was going to be complicated due to limited amount of space/too many partitions.
That sucks :/
I just gave up on the re:bar, since it's not that much performance left on the table and I'm not gaming that much.
The OS reinstall (in case the conversion goes wrong) was just not worth it.
@@glebv Yeah I managed to convert it in the end mostly for Win 11 if it ever becomes usable and to try modded drivers on my RX 580 to enable rebar. Sadly the VRAM chips mine has are not working with rebar.
Im pretty much buying arc for the encoders, A380-A770, because it will often get me 60 to 400 more fps in handbrake with my A380 in the h265 QSV mode. I also want a piece of history if this become server and laptop only
There is something cool about being able to claim that you own the first piece of intel discrete GPUs ever made.
Museums will pay a lot of money for that thing in 50 years.
@@michaelzomsuv3631 Technically its 3rd if you count DG1 and Larabee :)
I'm not sure yet if I want then to collect dust on the shelves or use them at least once...... for the value of course
3:35 9th gen works with resizable bar if you update the bios on your 300 series motherboard, and then enable it. It works, I had a 9700F on a z390 motherboard and had resizable bar enabled.
Perhaps it can work on the h370 boards? My 7 year old has an i7 with a 1050ti. I was thinking of upgrading it to the arc750
Was literally looking up my Ryzen 2700x’s compatibility when you mentioned it specifically. Thanks.
Can enable rebar on a Asus ROG Strix X470-f and a Ryzen 2700X. It is not as good as if enabled on a Ryzen 3000 but still works. Pretty curious to know how it performs on it.
It's activated on my 2700x on a prime x470-pro too. But i got a cheap 6700xt, so no need for an Intel arc gpu with still questionable drivers.
@@Psi-Storm This is my next GPU as taking better is useless on a 2700x
Well it won't even fit
That’s what she said
F
well it aint intel faults
@@masonjamieson4533 damn beat me to it 😂
My old b350 motherboard supports it when paired with a newer Ryzen CPU. It's kinda confusing though, it's labeled as "above 4G decoding" in the BIOS, after you enable that then you get a box to enable resizable bar.
I'm learning the hard way, I have an Intel Broadwell (2015) + Intel Arc A770. It works, but with periodic video playback glitches.
Well, seems interesting. My 9900k runs with my Asus Maximus XI GENE with RBar ( Bios Update, GPU-Z says Rbar is activated) absolutely flawless. Also no problem with my Strix 3090 so far.
9700k same here no probs
mine too
If you're looking to build a budget rig, and can get one of these cards at MSRP, the 10400F, or even 10100F, would pair well with this GPU. If it is 3060-tier, then both CPUs should pair just fine with them.
I have a 10400F, how can I enable it? I don't think I heard about it before
Check Firm Ware in BIOS, like others mentioned your system may have SAM/REBAR from a BIOS update. My Gigabyte Z370 mobo has had REBAR for a long while now and it had a 8600k in the system for a while and now a 9900k. It was turned off by default though..
i have same AORUS Gaming 7 z370, and rebar on....Jay needs to do more than fanboy AMD, and maybe check his facts :)
3:28 Even my TR1920X system got a BIOS update which enabled SAM, so it's highly likely that it's also available on other old Ryzen platforms
I'm not going to be buying one of these myself as I have a 6800 XT but what I'd really like to be able to do is be able to build a system for someone with one of these in. However, I'm not going to feel comfortable doing so unless they prove themselves at least half way competent. Very much looking forward to performance reviews in the future. An SFF system with a 12400 and an A770 sounds like it has the potential to be a potent value for money gaming system.
I think an i5 10th gen and an A770 feels like a better match to me.
For a 12400 matched with an A770, I feel like at least a 3070ti would be a better match. Unless maybe it's specific to what someone needs. They need a lot of CPU, but they're a lighter gamer?
I gave 12400 as an example because it was current and I felt a 12100 might be undershooting a bit. Upon looking up the two properly now, after reading these replies, the 12100 may well be the better choice. You lose two cores, certainly, but the clock speeds don't suffer.
@@pepperthekobold well, another positive to your build idea is that the GPU and CPU can both be upgraded if it's ever wanted.
A lower 12th gen to a higher 13th gen could be a great boost years down the road unless you upgrade more often.
If you or your friend ever get into bigger and badder games, the GPU can be upgraded too. If such a system makes someone happy, who am I to argue?
Though to be sure, I'd check if that CPU is so good that the GPU may not even be needed if the person isn't deep into modern titles anyway.
If you're into video rendering, the Intel series has this really cool tech where the CPU's APU and the GPU double down for much quicker performance! Double actually.
At least that's what Intel said, while graphic renders and video editing may be niche, the chart didn't put them double ahead of a comparable Nvidia GPU but it did surge ahead for this specific task.
@@pepperthekobold oh, and if this consumer you build for is into holding on to gear for years, surely the Intel drivers will improve and maybe the hardware that's more like a 3070 can act like it. Mostly the 3060 is predicted to beat it with inferior hardware.
what we need are benchmarks with turn it on and off. I'm still on i7 7700k@4.8, 2x8gb 3333 and 1060 6gb and my i7 is still fast enough for any kind of game so i will just upgrade my graphics card this year. if it's just 3-5% less fps if rbar turned off then it's acceptable i think.
Look at Gamers Nexus' or hardware unboxed's review of the A380 with ReBar on and off. It's night and day. These cards NEED ReBar to even be competitive.
I think it also depends if you can frame cap at say 70-90fps. I would think with 16gb that the memory controller won’t be massively bogged down but who knows at this point.
Like some have already said you can enable resizable bar on 9th gen. I have it enabled on my i9 9900k after a mobo update.
me too!
so my AsRock Mobo with 9900K has C.A.M (clever access memory/resizable bar) natively supported, do you think this would allow arc to run? or we'll probably just have to wait for testing possibly?
I'm seeing a lot of parallels between ARC and Intel's first standalone GPU, the i740. The i740 was notable for fully exploiting the AGP interface for accessing textures in RAM (AGP Aperture), something that other mainstream GPU makers didn't do (ex: 3dfx didn't use it at all). This caused problems with many early AGP chipsets because quite a few of them cut corners in implementing the standard. It also prevented PCI versions of the card from being created. Yeah, its forward thinking to design a card to take advantage of these cutting edge features, but reality rarely makes it possible. Intel is targeting the ARC towards the mid-range/budget end of the market (like they did the i740), whose users don't always have the latest and greatest CPUs and motherboards.
The i740 was also notorious for........ garbage drivers. It took Intel awhile to get those right. Early versions would outright prevent Windows 95/98 from booting or left the user with no video at all! We won't get into the gaming "experience".
@@unknownknowable I still have the cheapo Jaton card sitting in a machine here. The problem was that the budget system it went in was generally a Super Socket 7 AMD K6-2 with a chipset that had a buggy/incomplete AGP implementation.
Back to the modern stuff, I'm sure ARC purchasers are going to find UEFI bugs related to resizable BAR and/or "quirks" with AMD chipsets.
I do in fact plan to purchase the 770 LE as soon as I can. I have a 10th gen that would be ideal for it. My other builds not so much, but that's what my two remaining nvidia cards are for. I do wonder however, how linux distros will handle it in the open vs closed-source firmware and drivers situation. Knowing intel's behavior since oh, the early 2010's in this... it could be a bumpy ride.
That's the best argument I've heard against 770 so far. Linux drivers. The GPU is dead in the water if it doesn't have at least usable linux drivers.
My x370 with a Ryzen 7 1700 has reBAR and it is currently enabled on the most recent bios.
My strix Z390-I with 9900K has resizable bar options, it was up to the motherboard vendor to provide this with a bios update.
mine works
They've been super clear about needing resizable bar but I'm so glad that you made this video because it took until right now for me to realize that my 8700k does not have resizable bar. It seems obvious but I did not put those two ideas together. 8700k for life.
Not really, I got resizable bar on my i7 8700k.
Check your bios for updates, I updated mine after I got an RTX 3080 and got Re-Bar enabled.
@@IvexRodriguez Oooh I did not know this I'm going to have to try this, thank you so much!
TBH if I was building something fresh I'd consider it. I really do like what they've done by way of price point and hope they keep going. The aesthetic is also absolutely glorious, simple and understated works for me :) However, I'm still going with the RX 6750 XT as it seems a better investment for my purposes.
A rx 6600 non xt is gonna be 70 bucks cheaper and will age better
Why 6750xt, the price hike for the 6750 vs the 6700XT, is kinda dumb, its litterly few % preformance for 10-20% higher price, esp with the New 6700XT price around the globe, its kinda the best price:pref midrange card atm(the 6700XT).
@@AdaaDK In a lot of places over here the 6700 XT is still more expensive than the 6750 XT, £500 and £460 respectively checking one of my usual suspects. Where they aren't it's about a £20 difference in price so I'll grab the higher spec one, it just makes more sense for me.
Yea it seems that 13100f + A750 might be a nice combo for gaming soon
can you do a video about containers vs virtualization please? How does GPUs comes into play.
Select 8th and 9th gen select motherboards do also supports ReBAR if the vendor has provided a BIOS for it. I have a 9700K and have ReBAR enabled thanks to a BIOS update from Gigabyte.
Already jokingly remarked that "Limited" in the name refers to its capability to work in a limited way. Imagine my complete lack of a surprise that I wasn't wrong...
"Here's a budget GPU folks! Except it doesn't work IF you don't have a current gen computer!" Great selling point, bravo!
Jay, I have a 9900k, Z370 with a 3090, and RSB (re-sizeable bar) enabled, just fine.
Had to enable in BIOS and GPU, but it worked just fine.
In fact in MSFS2020 flightsim, I would say I got an avg of 4+ FPS or more, when running at 4K resolution. So I know for a fact RSB on an Intel 9th gen works !
mine works on 9th gen too
This is fine. I was planning on outright buying a new PC entirely and was planning on getting a 3080 as the prices in singapore have become afforadable again. But now these Arc's are looking pretty damn good
Re-bar is supported on z370 motherboards as well, which is 8th gen Intel processors. Hopefully, Arc should work with that configuration as well
I'm glad youentioned rebar. Didn't even know that was a thing. I turned it on now 👍🏻
Could you do a video demonstrating this feature?
I have a I9 9900k and it also can enable resizable bar on the msi carbon gaming motherboard
All the info I've read on resizable bar on Windows 11 is that it's not supported. So an important function is not available on the latest Win OS?