We need laws that require us to opt in not opt out. And force social media to pay the individual person for any data they created for the social media companies before the companies can resell the data.
No different than royalty payments. We create the data we deserve to be compensated when it is used for profit of any kind, even when it improves algorithms.
Not enough opt-in is insufficient it needs to be opt in without consequences otherwise they'll simply refuse the service for sale unless you opt in it needs to be important that there are no negative consequences to electing not to op in
@@truracer20in the early days at least this is how Google operated they would gain a lot of profitability from data collection from you but you would gain access to valuable free services that you are essentially paying for with your data Sadly they've gotten more and more evil over time
to hell with opting out. the companies should have to persuade you into opting in of your own free will, in a manner that makes you aware of what your opting into.
i wouldnt be surprised that they dont put it in such a way that its obvious to the layman off the street. terms of service, vehicle paperwork, etc... but the fun part is, why arent repair shops offering this service to registered title owners with a finance status check on the vehicle????
@Ben.A.R disagree. If I want to sell my data I should be allowed to. I don't want to, and I protect my data to the best of my ability. But I'd someone is foolish enough to sell their data, that is and must remain, their right.
The problem with that is GPS don't work in tunnels and my Garmin does not work well in Down town Pittsburgh because of the tall buildings. Im sure NYC also has that problem. I can see cars stopped in the middle of a tunnel or in rush hour traffic. 73@@MadScientist267
@@noseboop4354nonsense. If it is your property you have every right to modify, disable, destroy or repair it. The problem is only if you do not fully own it, as in a lease or rental agreement
The much superior solution would block the data from getting out anywhere. Interfering with the signal has too many unintended consequences. Plus the jammer itself could so easily be tracked by any receiver in the area. The snoops know this too. It would record data in the same way, but it absolutely would be like waving a red flag.
Data is now the most valuable commodity in our society. I think people are starting to get tired of being tracked everywhere they go for anything they do. It's not enough for these companies to gather all this data on you, they always end up selling it to the highest bidder.
Bio data is especially valuable. The CCP are paying millions to Ancestry, 23 and Me, etc. The US armed forces have requested their members not use these genealogy DNA test kits.
Not the highest bidder but all bidders that are above a certain amount. All of them do it and even with trying to stop it from getting to certain countries which will still get to everyone that pays.
What the hell are you going on about? It's not sold to the highest bidder. It's sold to ANYONE and EVERYONE who is willing to pay whatever price the seller is asking. That's a huge difference. Your information isn't sold once.. It's sold thousands of times...
Tracking should be prosecuted under wiretapping laws unless properly disclosed and opted into. It should also be rolled into identity theft if sold as apart of data harvesting, and blanketed under unauthorized access to a computer system.
Maybe add it to anti-stalking laws. If a private citizen did this to another person it would be considered illegal and that stalker probably thrown in jail.
lol you’re the person that doesn’t know about NSA illegal mass surveillance, commercially available license plate readers, and Amazon+ others deploying facial recognition cameras and building a database of faces.
Many years ago, when I was moving from North Dakota to Oregon, I got stopped at a DUI checkpoint in Idaho. Although I wasn't drinking, the county cop saw my Bearcat scanner and my radar detector, and said "Those are illegal here." I think he was pretty surprised when I pulled up my FCC "Professional Radiotelephone License" (having anticipated such a possibility), and responded: "Not for me; this Federal license says that I can operate any radio transmitter or receiver, anywhere in the U.S!"
@@PMMcIntyre Nah. The myth of the good cop goes completely out the window once they join any police force. They're all complicit in crimes against the population in one form or another.
"Isn't it interesting that the only road to social Utopia, requires absolute surveillance of every aspect of your life." ~Jim Lakely VP, The Heartland Institute
Exactly. I always opt out of tracking. Back in 2016 I had a person comment on a photo on my Facebook profile and I hadn't friended that person, I had my profile set to private but some update undid all of my preferences. That was very unnerving.
In a country that has a legal system that states that an individual is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers its odd how many laws we have declaring that the possession of certain items is illegal due to the possibility of illicit use (police scanner, switch blade knife, high capacity magazine, suppressor, ect.) That in itself is stating that the person having said items has criminal intent. Making them guilty before a crime is committed based on a hypothetical reason. Guilty until proven innocent. Unless you have an eleven digit bank account. Then you can pretty much do whatever you want. Justice by the dollar. The more money you have,the more justice you get.
It also includes power and influence combined with money you were given by the government as well to have. The government can always freeze money and assets while you charge you with crimes and eventually take you down. Need the power and influence along with enough money.
"police scanner, switch blade knife, high capacity magazine, suppressor, " Literally none of these are illegal in my state. Don't try to say things like these items are illegal throughout the whole country when it's only a handful of states that make these things illegal.
In the EU cars are now required to have a SIM with a GPS system that can send your position "if you crash" or find yourself in an "emergency". Everything closed source of course, and that data has to reach the governments emergency coodination center. States want to control everything, and that's one of the reasons they don't want old cars on the road. The EU created that mandate, and some countries outside the EU did the same afterwards
As a cab driver about 10 years ago, i found that i could improve my cab computer response time in getting "first come first served" offered trips if my cars gps was not working. I watched the mechanic replace the module under a small plastic bubble on the cars roof. 2 screws held the cover on. Knowing there was a huge advantage to a non working gps, i went home unscrewed the cover and proceded to fill the void in the gps bubble with aluminum foil. The foil blocked the signal and i was back to super computer speed. Ran that way for 8 months. Boss found out, suspended me for 12 hours and told me not to tamper with the car. Lol that suspension was so worth the 8 months of being able to snag trips faster than anyone else...
@@dreamleaf6784 Firstly, as was said in the video, they can jam other vehicles around you would you want an ambulance on a call to your home delayed because someone driving nearby had jammed its navigation system at an important intersection and it had gone the wrong way?. Secondly they can jam other services that rely on GPS, i.e. timing for large computer systems, timing for cellular phone sites etc. And finally, you don't have a license to transmit on the frequencies that they use. So illegal and very antisocial and selfish in the extreme!
@@qwerty-cg7hv At the same time though, the fact that some people do something irresponsibly isn't a good reason for a blanket ban. There's no technical reason for the jammer to have a range of more than a couple feet if all you're jamming is a receiver in your own vehicle. I wonder how many more jammers are in use that just don't throw a big enough bubble to be noticed by anyone other than the user.
In reference to Steve's quote from The Finnish governmental official, anyone who describes actions taken by private citizens seeking greater privacy as "problematic", is part of the problem.
Even cheaper and easier. I found out by mail from dealer I was being tracked. I grabbed my 18V DeWalt recip saw and removed the little black antennae off the top front left corner of my van. Fixed.
Hate to break it to you but that didn’t do anything. They weren’t tracking you through the XM/Sirius antenna. You’re going to need to dig a bit deeper or pull a specific fuse
I work at a car dealership as a technician. If ever i bought a new car from my manufacturer I would unplug certain modules and antennas. Or pull out specific fuses....
@@franksaldana891 I would unplug the GPS antenna, and I would remove the fuse for the emergency call system. I would unplug the microphones for the voice control system. I would put tape over the cameras in the instrument cluster (these cameras are supposedly installed to monitor the movement of your eyes to discern your attention level).
The Finns would not be using so many jammers if the corporations weren't tracking people and using that data in ways the victims don't want or even know about.
@@MonkeyJedi99 Then you don't get text messages and other notifications. Your cell phone knows where you are whenever it's on, and it knows how fast you've been traveling by noting where you were and where you are now.
@@VideoArchiveGuy I'm not emotionally attached to an electronic overlord as I travel about. Heck, I've forgotten my phone at a friend's house for a whole week and barely missed it.
The thing about opting out of something is that the company can secretly ignore your wishes and still sell your info. As someone who worked for a company that did so I can confirm that it does happen.
@@nospamallowed4890not exactly. It protects personal and sensible data. The data broker can respect the GDPR (ex: do not include your ID within the same dataset just like any data base that fulfill GDPR requirements). There are many occasions where you may link your vehicle to other personal data, ex: when you enter your registration to get spare parts. Worse, in some parts EU, you are even asked to link your credit card to your vehicle for digital highway fees, which is one of the most dumb concept.
@@cronobactersakazakii5133 It is still a lot better than what we have in the US. Here car companies vacuum all of the data from your mobile phone when you connect it to the infotainmnet, collect GPS and external/internal camera data, microphone conversations, etc. Then they send it from car to the manufacturer, process it and collate it with other data available, and then sell the profile to anyone who wants to pay. Worse, since the laws do not protect the personal data, in a recent lawsuit against (was it Mazda or Nissan, I can't remember) the judge ruled that the manufacturer could do anything they wanted with that data. Similarly, we had a case where manufacturer employees were caught sharing videos taken by the car's internal cameras of their customers having s*x in the car. The abuse is rampant and widespread, and in the US we don't even have the most basic protections. Our politicians are more interested in appearances and campaign-driven "for show" legislation like the one about banning TikTok due to its Chinese ownership and their spyware legislation. Yes, it should be banned for that reason, but the legislation should not be single-company or single-country, it should be oriented to any company or nation engaged in such actions... so that this kind of thing can be prevented no matter who decides to replicate the model. So... rather than jammers I'd rather see features or mechanisms to: 1) Block all outgoing signals of the car, maybe by killing the car's mobile connection and using a strong firewall when you park it at home and connect it to an isolated VLAN to allow updates in but no transmission out via a plug-in to a privacy-respecting home automation platform like Home Assistant. 2) Some way to wipe the car's GPS, infotainment, etc history data before taking it to a mechanic... so that there is no data to take and misuse (like giving it to his home robber buddy).
After I retired from engineering, I scratched a long term itch and opened a pair of BBQ and steak houses. This ran from 1995 til 2015. From the time of my opening, I operated a cell phone jammer in each restaurant. Being an engineer, I carefully measured the field strength to make sure it didn't penetrate the concrete block walls. Its existence gradually became known to my regulars. You would be surprised at how many patrons thanked me for providing a peaceful place to enjoy their meals. That I played Big Band and Swing music in the background also helped. Unfortunately society has digressed to the point that I don't know where to go to have a nice quiet meal with friends. Sad.
We need the kind of protections that you mentioned for cars, for computer operating systems and internet browsers. I recently installed Portmaster on my PC and was stunned by the number of previously unknown communications (literally hundreds) that Windows, Chrome, and many other programs made out to other servers on the internet. And this is after I had already opted out of everything that I knew to.
So I can opt out of NSA illegal mass surveillance, public facial recognition cameras building a database of Americans faces, and automated license plate readers that have been deployed since the 1990s.
In the UK, the London Stock Exchange had issues when a Truck Driver used is jammer to hide from his company while he napped around the corner from the LSE
A long time ago in a state far far away, when the personnel jammers first came out, my buddy bought one. We would drive around and when we saw someone on the phone driving we would activate it. So what is more illegal, a distracted driver or stopping the distracted driver? He also used to brin it to the movie theaters and prevent the other menace of society the phone jabbering movie goer. Someone we knew once got mad at him for doing this and said "what if there was an emergency and someone really needed to contact me." He responded, "people have been going to movies for 30 years before cell phones without that problem."
A wonderful idea. Or one that punishes them. I use an ad blocker that clicks every ad before hiding it and shows me how many tens of thousand dollars I have cost advertizers. Maybe they can modify it instead of replace it. 😆
At least on General Motors cars there's something called a vehicle Communications module it controls Bluetooth and like the satellite Communications for their OnStar systems. I don't know how many things it would affect if you disable that module which could be done as simply as unplugging it or removing the power to it
@@thebrowns5337 Actually many do not actually turn off. They go into a low power state and act as if they are turned off visually. But dang it some how they are still trackable. Supposedly find my device still works on Apple phones even if the phone is off. They must do some sort of Bluetooth activity in that state or perhaps more but less often to conserve the battery. I never tried finding one turned off but many articles say they can. Probably the real reason batteries are no longer removable.
@@thebrowns5337 Your turned off cell phone can be turned back on by other people without you knowing it. The only way to prevent that is to remove the battery.
I now confirmed as to why am around certain cars my signals are ended or stopped when close to them on the road. When I spied up or slow down leaving a larger distance the signal automatically returns. I have advised other people of this and they don’t believe it until I show them how cheap they are to obtain and this video. Conspiracy…..NO…..probability yes. Some vehicles use to come equipped to keep their teenagers off their phones by interrupting the signal so they could not use their devices and get in an accident. Not sure if they still have them as an option?
For real. I started wondering if I have Finnish ancestry when Steve explained that part. Just the other day I was waiting to get a blood test, and while I am sitting in this big and mostly empty waiting room, this couple sat down in the chairs RIGHT NEXT TO ME. This, in a waiting room of like 30 chairs where there maybe 5 other people there. I was like, these people are psychopaths. When I got up to check the waiting list tv, I did not return to the same seat. Which made things even more awkward. One of the couple gave me a glance. They noticed.
I remember when cell phones became more ubiquitous, movie theaters wanted to electronically block them to avoid interrupting a movie. The FCC shot that down really fast
They took action against a hotel chain that was jamming personal Wi-Fi hotspots. Even though it wasn't actually blocking the RF signals the action of sending deauth attacks to non-sanctioned APs was still ruled to be jamming.
Just found your channel and I liked what I saw and heard, so I Liked and Subscribed. Lehto sounds familiar. T C ,Michigan? I’m also the grandson of Finnish grandparents who spoke very little English. My mother could speak it and write some Finnish. Their last names ended in “nen”. Have a great day and let’s be safe out there!
When we lived in LA, i got a ticket and had to go to "traffic school" taught by an off-duty LAPD officer. When I went to leave, I found I had locked my keys in my car. I ended up borrowing lock picks from the officer to pick my locks. I found it interesting that he had picks on him. I expect he found it interesting that I knew what to do with them-it was something I learned at the MIT AI lab.
@@Haywa11 This was long before server racks. The CPU ws 3-4 cabinets, memory took up 4, later expanded to 5 of much denser core (not semiconductor) memory that doubled the memory. An IO Controller, and a Massbus DMA controller, and then a 2-rack PDP-11 to handle terminal IO. 3 disk drives, each the size of a small washing machine. I was not involved in the project that wired the elevator call buttons to the computer so we could call it from our terminals. But I learned from the people who did.
I once locked my keys in my car at the DMV and asked if they could call the cops so they could pop the lock. A couple standing in line asked me if they could speak to me outside. The husband was a "retired" car thief and offered to use his wife's Chevy key to pop the lock on my Saturn (I no longer have it). And sure enough, he put her key in, wiggled it a bit, and it opened right up. Before that, I had an old Dodge Omni and found out that there were only a couple hundred door key combinations, because I went to what I thought was my car in a dark and crowded parking lot at an amusement park, and the door opened right up. But when I got in I noticed my CB radio and stuff weren't there. Very strange to be able to open someone else's car with my key.
I remember reading some kind of lock picking manual by MIT many years ago if memory serves. Been interested in it for years, I also enjoy watching the lockpicking lawyer but never bought a lock picking set. I'd be worried people think I'm a burglar.
I Love the license plates man. My dude was a judge in MI (probate at first then workers comp for about 23 years before an early retirement for health.) His license plate said "BSK LAW," forever haha. Oh and with Jammers, I was once at a customers house (when I was running flooring crews) and the homeowner was an awesome dude, who instals/works with huge safes. He owns a safe company. So for the purpose of detection and scanning houses, he had a legit military grade radio jammer. it jammed EVERYTHING. It's the type of thing they turn on when they think someone may be trying to activate a bomb through a cell signal. We turned it on while we were working listening to music, and every persons cell phone in the house lost service and even the bluetooth speaker lost connection, instant shut down. He also had to have it registered and jump through a ton of whoops to get it in the first place.
when I bought my 2018 Mustang back in 2020, I specifically looked for one with the lowest base-spec infotainment that does not have onboard navigation or remote app connectivity/monitoring. Ford engineers, to their credit, even gave the telematics system (for cars with a GSM modem for data collection/uploading) its own separate fused circuit. Remove a 5 amp fuse from the fusebox and the car can no longer track you, though it does disable some features in the higher spec infotainment systems.
@@jpnewman1688 If he drives over the speed limit to pass another vehicle, his phone won't track that but his car will. If his car's data is sold to an insurance company, those most likely to buy the information, his rates could be affected.
@@jpnewman1688 No, but an insurance company isn't likely to buy information from someone's phone when they get what they need from your car that is tracked.
@@troy.peters A phone can and does track your speed. They want to know when you're walking, driving, taking a bus, etc. It does affect what they should be advertising to you.
Finn here. I had wondered for a long time about your surname, the channel picture and all the finnish referencing license plates in your background and you just happened to answer it at the beginning of the video. I had thought "this guy must have lived a long time in the states, as I can't detect any finnish accent in him!". Anyways, cheers from Finland been enjoying the common sense takes on a variety of legal cases and will continue to do so!
The upper peninsula of Michigan where Steve is from, is full of Finnish people, and they take pride in being Finns. Northern lower Michigan, has more German and Dutch roots, but, at this point, a lot of us are a little of everything.
The problem with any law that allows opt-out is that the company will simply not offer the service when you do. So, you didn't want to be tracked? No navigation. Or no updates. Or no infotainment system at all. Etc. That already happens. Look at many consumer protection laws which all have clauses in the contract you sign that waive them. And if you don't sign? Then no car, no computer, no widget, no service.
All new cars sold in the EU are fitted with an eCall device. It's basically an embedded mobile phone. Technically, it's supposed to be only used to contact emergency services in case of an accident. It can be used to locate you but also communicate with you. While it is mandatory for manufacturers to install it, some allow for it to be disabled. That's an "opt-out" situation and not all manufacturers provide this service.
Shielding is actually a trickier prospect than you might think. A surprising amount makes it through when it's not a perfectly closed conductive shell due to wire holes and such. Much more reliable just to burn out the antenna.
I must be Finnish at heart. MYOB is my life's theme. Recently we were driving through Milwaukee and then Chicago. Our GPS's both of our phones went whack-a-doodle for about 5-10 miles in each instance. My first thought was "jammer?", but I was picturing a satellite in space, not someone on the road next to me. Jam away jammers, I can use a map, and it is no one else's business where and when I am. Good video!
Funny thing about illegal jamming devices, they tend to be pretty bad at picking their ranges and levels. The simplest kind is basically a microwave oven with all the protective and focusing shielding removed. You want that where, exactly?
I'm content with just keeping the car manufacturer from tracking me. Since 2002, I have removed or disconnected the factory GPS antenna or related modules inside the cars. The most difficult one was a Mercedes 3 years ago. To get to it, I had to completely unbolt the entire dashboard(without removing it from the car) to reach behind it to move a module that connected to the GPS antenna, as well as the cellular connection. When I returned it at lease end, I had to do it again to reconnect everything. :) On the BMW that I just bought, it was much easier, as the related modules are actually visible once the center console and infotainment screen are taken out. ( also prevents logging of driving data such as acceleration, braking, yaw rate, fuel consumption and engine runtime)
I appreciate them using the bright orange connector on the airbag module so it is easy to see and disconnect. I don't see how you will disable anti lock brakes on these electric cars, so won't be getting one.
From what I understand up here in Canada particularly in the Toronto Ontario area. It is not illegal to own or listen to or put it in your vehicle. It’s not illegal to do that but it is illegal if you use the scanner during the commission of a crime that’s an added charge or something to that effect. As always, I enjoy your videos. Thank you for posting.
Law abiding citizens are so up to a point. If they are harmed by a crime against them, they may defend themselves by committing a crime of their own. The breach of trust between them and society, the breaking of the social contract from their point of view, opens the possibility of acting outside of the law. In these jammer cases, some people feel undignified, humiliated, controlled, and abused because they are being tracked, being treated like a criminal in house arrest even though they did not break a law. Society has failed to protect them from this breach of human rights. Seeing no legal remedy, they take matters into their own hands.
You are looking at it all wrong. You can't break the law, when there are no laws ! The law needs to apply to everyone equally or it applies to no one !!! When those who's job is to make laws and those who sit in judgment of those laws and those who prosecute those laws and those who enforce those laws are all immune from the law, then THERE ARE NO LAWS !!!!
I remember several years ago, a couple of companies (in the U.S.) installed cell jammers to keep employees off their phones during work. They were each fined more than $120,000.
@@Spencer-wc6ew Or just hire whatever planners designed government buildings before cell signals were considered. Desks near exterior windows become extremely popular.
@@brentlloyd7908 You're right. I didn't read that because it didn't happen. From the FCC: Signal jammers may not be lawfully used in the United States. The law says no one shall “willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communications of any station licensed or authorized by or under this chapter or operated by the United States Government.” Moreover, jammers cannot be certified or authorized for use in the United States as their primary purpose is to block or interfere with authorized radio communications. This prohibition applies to the manufacture, import, sale, offer for sale, or shipping of jammers. The only exception is for certain limited, direct use by the United States government itself.
Hi from Finland! Been watching these since 4k subscribers so for a long while! Don't remember why UA-cam recommended me this channel but never regretted it! :) Hopefully you get to million soon! Edit. Notes: YLE is the Finnish equivelant of BBC. GPS-tracking is one option for the proposed way to collect tax on drivers by tracking their road useage (how many kilometers and in which areas, city or rural) and tax them based on that. This is seen by many as a HUGE threat to privacy, obviously! If this passes in the future, GPS-blocking will absolutely skyrocket.
And since I am a history nerd, congratulations to your recent ancestors for giving the Soviets quite the reception when they tried to overrun your territory in WW2! They were bad-asses.
Would it be illegal in Finland to send Spoofed GPS Data to your car? That action doesn't meet the definition of a "Jammer" as it doesn't disrupt the functionality of it. Assuming you could make the footprint small enough IE. (no antenna) the effects on other drivers or businesses would be minimal as well. it's an interesting theory. The only legal issues i can think of at least in the USA would be that it could interfere with the e-911 thing from On-star used in locating vehicle crashes.
lol, I was about to send you an article on some Florida guy from 10 years ago where he used a cell phone jammer on his way to and from work to prevent drivers around him from using their phones. He got fined $48k.
IIRC, his jammer disrupted aviation navigation at an airport he passed twice a day. That will raise some hackles! But it also calls into question relying on a GPS system so fragile that a "box o' hack" bought on E-Bay can shut it down.
If you leave it active too long, the cell companies suddenly work together to triangulate the zone and suddenly, an unmarked white van begins circling the target area while local law enforcement units are nearby awaiting the signal to swarm.
In the US there was this contractor that did the same with very powerful GPS jammer. He was driving past an airport like clockwork with a tracker on causing all kinds of trouble Took quite a long time to catch him. He was charged with disrupting air traffic.
Iirc he wasn't doing that on purpose, it was just his daily commute and the charge was bull crap as he had no idea that was even happening. Overreach is overreach.
@@James_BeeThat is an illegal device if it can interfere with other devices... Dude was risking the lives of thousands of people every time he commuted. I guess the seller of the device is most to blame?
Fair enough. But wouldn't it have been simpler just to make it possible to have a car without a GPS? Come to think of it, if you're willing to wait, I think you can ACTUALLY order a (new) car without certain features in it.
Interesting. In my line of work, being tracked can lead to negative consequences. The car I run doesn't have a CAN bus, no GPS/infotainment center. I use a modified stand alone GPS, infrequently; not going to discuss the phone. If plate readers are used for tolls, I take a parallel public road, for a lack of a better descriptor. None of this guarantees any kind of anonymity, but I like to think that it helps. Yes, I also believe that one should be able to opt out. Even then, not sure I'd fully trust it. Always enjoy your videos, Steve.
There was a guy in Florida that was using a jammer to jam cell signals so other drivers could not talk on their cell phones on Interstate 4, the cell service providers called the police and after several months they noticed a pattern and caught the guy. I do not think he got jail time, but the FCC fine was almost 50k.
@@deilapakserrion9927 that is probably a different guy. One - jammed GNSS signals (that interfered with airport equipment), outher one - jammed cellular connection signal.
I was invited to Marquette for the 4th of July and it snowed. The worst was my friends told me we were just eat local food. Patsy, burnt everything inside of burnt bread. But I do like to feel a leaving Wisconsin and being in a state freedom loving as Michigan❤
I take care of my vehicles. Every 6 months they go in for oil changes and a check up for any other issues. I am still driving my Jeep Grand Cherokee from 2003, so no tracking! The old farm Chevy truck is also off grid. I carry a burner phone for emergencies. Yeah, I am cheap but this video makes me feel good about being frugal.
Comissioned with your money. But isnt just to track. Is military science ect, tracking is a residual ability somewhat of a exploit, like radio triangulation of cellphones. Nuclear power leading to weapons type deal, technology and science is always a pandoras box thing, hope for best, plan for worst. Gunpowder apparently was them looking for a life elixer lool some ppl can say it did bad, but fireworks, rocketry ect, so part of the arms race that is life. Jammers r a byproduct, ppl complaining is a byproduct, tbh most stuff here is isnt it? Plan ahead.
Allowing it, as the social media companies pay the government. Donations, etc. 2025 starts the requirement for cars to more consistently track you, and if their AI thinks you are driving erratically, then it will shut down your car, and I assume summon police. Guilty until proven innocent, and even if you’re sober, will likely arrest you for dui and/or reckless driving. After all, government AI computers would never lie, and their programmers would ALWAYS be on the up and up.
I know several people who put their cell phones into a faraday bag as soon as they are in their car, and it's not removed until they are either at a destination they aren't concerned about, or are back home. If they go into a store, about half of them won't take their phone out of the bag until they are away from the store.
@@arribaficationwineho32 No. Lead and faraday cages (bags) are two entirely different beasts. Lead is for blocking ionizing radiation. It's not gonna do shit to a cell signal.
In most cases, the tracking begins before you accept the terms of service and continues even if you never do. It's basically a button to show the next screen not a request for permission.
A locksmith who had decades in the USAF flew into Turkey. At customs the Turkish customs officers pen quit working. The customs officer then reached up and grabbed the pen from the locksmiths pocket. Instantly the locksmith said you can keep this one and managed to get his other pen back. That pen was full of custom lock picks.
@@Moon_Presence It does if you live long enough. I was shocked they had a law in florida against having pot in a cigar tube. You would think just having pot would be enough law.
I like my car knowing where I am, and have no problem with Tesla knowing it, too. A couple of decades ago a lady was on her way home from a pub or work or something near where I live, and she was a no-show. About a week later (may have been two) they found her car off in the woods having gotten there by leaving the road on a curve and disappeared like the old Bat Mobile used to do in the '60's TV show. She was injured and worse from the exposure but alive. I don't ever want to be that lady, i mean I like the alive part, but not the rest.
Im finnish too! Hey cool. Sauna and stonework/masonry/blacksmith background . My ancestors were known for their excellent stonework. Original came from Gebo, WY. A ghosttown now.
We just bought a used car and one of the contract stipulations in the contract is that we are not allowed to remove or disable the gps until the car is paid off. Presumably it's so they can repossess it for non payment. It's the first time I've seen it in a car buying contract.
I always appreciate people who go against injustices or annoyances by looking at things a little laterally. Often, it's not enough to try and stop people tracking or using your data. You can simply make sure the data they get is useless, or wreck it for them somehow. I'm all for it. Granted I'm British so we have stronger data protection over here, than say the US, but even so, I find it annoying to get bombarded with ads or mail that I have no interest in.
Well sadly you'd get more personalized ads if those protections weren't there, however I'd rather have the protections. Just another reason to buy a flipper zero as it can do everything you said. I need to buy a group of them before they are banned.
@@TalkingGIJoe Way to miss the point. We DO have better protections, demonstrably so. That does not mean the proliticians are good does it? Learn to do basic logic,
@@kurtvanluven9351 Sure, we have a shitty TV licence but that's a non sequitur isn't it? That doesn't change the fact we DO have better data protection and consumer rights laws here versus the US. Please learn to make a cogent argument.
Hey Steve! I could listen to you speak all day! Great content, stories and your delivery is above the best of speakers in my opinion. On the scanner issue. In our state, now don't quote me...... It is illegal for the average citizen to have a scanner actively receiving signals in a motor vehicle. Now if you are police or fire there are exceptions for them. Also... If you are a licensed Amateur Radio Operator it is legal to operate a scanner in s motor vehicle. The only exception would be in Livonia where the city outlaws Ham radios in vehicles. That would include scanners. However and here is where we need a lawyer for this....... Oh gee...... You are one! In my understanding I've been told that federal law... Giving a person a license to operate a Ham radio would actually trump any city or county laws that would prohibit such use. So the fight begins. You will lose your radios in Livonia and go to court to try to get them back. I don't know how well that would work but I believe Livonia is in violation of amateur radio operators Federal rights under their federal radio license to operate a ham radio in their city. Wheew. That was a mouthful. Could you please chime in on this if you feel like! Thanks again and I'm glad to see your back on you tube. You have been missed my Ethernet Internet friend! Later. Best wishes and take care for now. Oh, I Loved your last live..... You gotta do more! See ya. J Poll. 😊
These vehicles have an antenna connection that is easily unhooked. Just like all devices, this stops transmissions. Most are above the headliner or the pillar trim near the antenna itself. Just look up your vehicle, find the location and unhook it. Its worth a try at least.
In the late 1980s. Los angeles Dwp sent people out to hand out circular florescent lamps to reduce load. When you turned them on. Channel 5 vanished from the Tv. This is before HDTV.
Selling it to insurance companies on your driving habits. Then the Insurance company raises your rates by 25%. Insurance companies are paying General Motors for this information. GM got caught doing this and it is in 100 millions close to a billion dollars a year. So this means all car makers are doing this.
If your company car has a tracker never disable/remove it, only obscure the signal. Its a big red flag when it completely drops off. That being said be aware most vehicles now have 2 different spots they send and receive from. One is usually the "shark fin/puck" on top. The other is usually a backup 3g/4g located inside the dash.
On one's own phone, it's always possible to unlock developer mode, and use an app to hook the NMEA GPS stack and insert modified data to show a location of your choosing, or randomized. In advanced forms, that can set nonsensical elevation and coordinates, or insert a high or low DOP in 2D or vertical and overall forms (dilution of precision data; or quality of GPS signal). That kills any map apps, and depending on phone code may also false feed E-911 locations (but not the cell tower mapping), as well as insert fake locations into JPEG EXIF data. Most cel phones internally hook a GPS chipset to the phone's app's via a standard old protocol designed for marine navigation devices to talk to each other. After a couple of cases of bad assumptions in "expert" testimony and horrible court decisions, I demonstrated some years back to some lawyer friends who acted like courts and "experts" act honestly or competently, how I was talking to them from a location near a war memorial statue in a government park in North Korea. The data in the picture proved it, right? GPS is really easy to block (so long as it's not advanced military on other bands), as it's a single frequency with very weak signals. Cell service is a bit harder, given all the different bands, and variable power levels and proximity to towers. In some cases it's easier to make a shield to cover an antenna, than to jam. Another issue exists with Boeing Dirtboxes and Harris Stingrays, or other IMSI catchers not so often found in the USA. At some post-Ferguson and other large scal protests, and in other cases around SWAT and drug task force activities, Communications Act of 1934 felonies were being perpetrated by various state and city police agencies, that had come up with $200k-$500k for war toys and accessories and training, and used them to willfully and malciiously tamper with licensed cel signals. Idid a sit down with my US Senator and staff over that, among many activists who raised various legal and political pressures, and called for (knowing unlikely) prosecution of police felons under telecom law, and an end to sales of those devices to cop shops for predictably criminal uses. Of course the law wasn't honestly enforced, but we did create Federal policy to restrict those illegal domestic non-military crimes by cops and certain 3 letter agencies. In theory anyone can buy IMSI catchers, and illegally import and use them, just as cops have done with tacit approvals from the FBI and DoJ prior to pressure to change those policies and practices. Other than slightly higher costs and tech skill needs, that could be "interesting" compared to crude low cost jammers.
Just because your mobile provider wants you to switch to 5G doesn't mean that 3G and 4G have been disabled, particularly when it comes to throttling your data. Freeing up those old "sidebands" is what makes surveillance possible
I'm beggining to think I need one of these. I also am beginning to consider a sort of "burner" phone for occasional use that can be fully offline or just not associated to myself on the records. This sort of privacy mindset will grow over time
If your car is equipped with a GPS reciever, then it get the lat/long signals from the satellite. The jammer you are using is producing similar formatted signal, but it contains garbage. So you are disrupting others nearby using the gps signal. That location information that you get normally (valid location) has to be stored, or retransmitted to somewhere else to be usable.
Thank you. I would like to opt out of gps devices and all the sensors that shut down my car and cost $1200 or more in labor to replace a $50 part. I have worked on laboratory equipment with all the bells and whistles that was down 93 % of the time. Without that technology it would have been operational 93% of the time. This is crazy!
I don't know how anyone else feels, but in my opinion we are seeing the beginning of an Orwellian nightmare now. At my age I can only pray I'm gone before it's full on Orwell scared the hell out of me when I first read it back in the 70s. In particular the reworking of words to mean things they never were intended to mean. Tell me this hasn't been happening for decades. When we started calling the garbage man a "waste disposal" expert I thought it was just plain silly. What's wrong with being a garbage man? Now I wonder - maybe it was more than silly. We really need to speak plainly these days and call a spade a spade. Far too many have gotten in the habit of manipulating the language to dehumanize, confuse, or make things sound as if they were somehow much nicer than what they really are. Calling people "units" should be illegal. Businesses that refer to human beings as "units" are apt to mistreat the human beings in their care. I can only see this getting worse
This is a profoundly dumb fear. The government has been tapping phones for what, a hundred years now? Snitches looking to get out of trouble and lying on your name are infinitely more likely to get you wrongly imprisoned than any device selling your data.
@@machintelligence I was diagnosed with carpal tunnel quite some number of years ago (let's just say more than 10 and leave it there)... I was given some treatment options but the doctor mentioned that if I took up weight lifting as a hobby the carpal tunnel might just go away on its own. So I did, and I've not had to worry about carpal tunnel since. I also have been known to pick locks that I own in my spare time.
Funny thing about scanners. I know a cop who knocked on a suspected loud music player's door. When the dude opened his door, the cop cued his radio. The cop heard the scanner chirp in the guy's house. He wrote him a summons to court for the illegal use of the scanner to avoid the cops. The dude, turns out, used the scanner at his parties to hear when the police were called to his residence. The cops got eise to this and swapped over to a tactical encrypted channel to put the call out to his house. When the cop got there he did the radio chirp to bust the guy using the scanner.
My little portable HAM radio picks up all the State Police and dispatch comms. They're too cheap to go encrypted - sending full names, DOB, address, vehicle make, model & plate number in the clear.
Several years ago on the Coast to Coast AM radio talk show , Jesse Ventura told the radio host he had the OnStar system disconnected from his vehicle(s) .
The GPS antenna plugs into the back of the entertainment center. The windscreen-mounted antenna contains some electronics, as well as the antenna; unplugging it will prevent the GPS receiver from getting any data, and will disable any tracking, but the rest of the radio will still work normally.
how many peoplr can do that without damaging something else or having to open some seal that the dealer will declare the warranty void ecause you tampered with their ability to spy on you
Most people don't realize that the vehicles on the road can be identified and tracked by any of the Road Service companies like On Star, ... STARS... etc., for Emergency Services. If you don't care for your own, personal privacy, the 'authorities' (cough), can track you through any of those companies. It requires a warrant. But, many people have been tracked or found with over-zealous law enforcement. It can be disconnected and shut off at a dealership that sells your car brand. Another tracker is your personal phone. If you are one of those who think it's a bad idea to be tracked back and forth in your daily life... turn off your phone and put it in a Faraday bag, then turn it on at your destination if you need to make a phone call. or find a landline. There are whole websites that discuss these problems. Enjoy...
At one time in my work life I drove for SNCa trucking firm they had SAT COM it was common for the company to to wait for your signal to show up when you started work. Well I parked daily with my SAT com antenna under a roof edge so until I moved the truck they couldn’t see me. Also they got confused if you called the scheduler from Arizona but your truck was in New Mexico. Last they would sometime tell us to drop a trailer a site under construction. I was careful of leaving a high value load in a dirt field that wasn’t controlled.
Sounds like a "them problem." If these are the lengths we are driven to to preserve our privacy, then I guess rhey had better stop doing it. Sounds like their criminality is getting dangerous.
I recently watched a Toyota dealer here on YT explaining the new info-tainment system and you are absolutely correct about having to sign up for at least a trial subscription to their Toyota Connect service for all the GPS functions to work. It doesn't sound like Toyota is selling the information. It is more that Toyota wants to track the usage of the vehicle so they can see how it is used and remind the owner when the vehicle needs service so that they can sell the owner that service. To my way of thinking about it the cars computer can remind me to get the oil changed or to install a new air filter without my car having to phone home to the manufacturer.
Actually, you can look into the owners' manual and follow the maintenance schedule yourself. Most maintenance items are fairly simple. I wouldn't go over 5,000 miles on an oil and filter change, regardless of what the manual says, if you want your engine to last. The problem is, you might have to get a scan tool to turn off the idiot light, if the computer reminds you, but can't detect when it has been done.
@@dr.a.w Usually there is a way to turn off the light without a special tool, but it tends to be very counterintuitive and a PITA. For my car I have to turn the ignition on, but not start the car, then tap a button twice and depress the gas pedal 5 times within 10 seconds.
@@dr.a.w The point is that in order to get the full functionality of hardware that you paid for you have to sacrifice your privacy and allow Toyota to not only remind you but market their services to you. We value our privacy. That is the reason my wife won't have Alexa, Siri, or Google Assistant in our home.
@@dr.a.w Honestly, if you don't beat your car regularly around a race track, the 5000mls oil change schedule is bs. I drive since 1997 and change my oil yearly or every 10000 to 15000 miles with zero issues. In general I keep my cars for around 5 to 6 years, with my Lexus I have now will becoming my exception as I plan to run it till they ban petrol.
Rob Braxman has done some videos on GPS tracking by our cars. As I recall, he said nobody knows for sure what information is being transmitted to the car companies. Consumers definitely need to know what is being transmitted, to whom, and for what purpose. And if we don't like it we need the legal ability to do something about it.
Very interesting, and unsurprising! I totally agree that the seeming total loss of privacy is a huge social issue, and is something which needs to be focused upon in greater detail. This brings to mind my (late) friend Jody who drove truck during the early days of proprietary GPS and routing systems such as the Qualcomm terminals. These were in some ways the great grandfather of the current ELD devices. These had a dome on the top of the truck, approximately the size of a half basketball. It also connected to the truck engine ECM. Jody figured out that if he placed a small metal pail over the dome, and disconnected the ECM signal, the truck was able to be driven without the knowledge of the trucking company. He would visit friends around the country who were "off route" out of bounds from where he was allowed to drive the truck. This was easy since all he had to do was stop at a plausible overnight rest point, cover up the dome and unhook the ECM signal; then go on a side-trip. He would then return to the place where he covered up the dome, and uncover it and reconnect the ECM signal. According to the company, the truck was stopped there with the engine off, the whole time. Not saying I agree with cheating, just telling the story as I remember it. This game has been ongoing for a long time and will continue as long as people feel that their privacy is being curtailed in an unfair manner.
CAPITALISTS at All Costs believe they are entitled to our info. My simple free VPN takes care of that. All my advertisements are geared to if I live in the VPN's location while I live 3 time zones over. 😂😂
Steve, retired attorney here. A legal solution for phones is simply to wrap it in tin foil. It acts as a faraday cage and blocks the signal. I have a large tin can in my car that I put my phone in. Does the same thing. As for the cars, the solution is buy a older car that doesn't have the technology. Just a FYI. Love your show.
Yep, this and subscription services are why I'll drive my '92 and '00 for as long as possible even though I could easily afford a new car. I'm hoping they'll last until I give up driving altogether.
its not a finish thing to want your own space, its a scandinavian thing. Also i just wanted to add that we keep our distance like that even when it rains.
Love Finland. Visited there twice in one year for summer and winter. Amazing the stillness and silence in the winter night up north. Good to hear Finns standing up for their privacy. I wish more people knew about this. I remember when it started and the initial controversy of it which was quickly subdued through simply ending the discussion. Otherwise why isn’t this utilized for locating missing vehicles?? For some good instead of just data and profit.
it was never for good or benefit of vehicle owners it is 100% for good and profit of carmakers and other forms.of corporate greed you will own nothing and like it the motto of the republican party
Wow, thanks for the kind words!! 👍
The hands have spoken.
Whoa, the man himself! Love your content!
please comment again to prove that it's not a fluke
He's not wrong
Haven't seen you in a while...you've been missed.
We need laws that require us to opt in not opt out. And force social media to pay the individual person for any data they created for the social media companies before the companies can resell the data.
No different than royalty payments. We create the data we deserve to be compensated when it is used for profit of any kind, even when it improves algorithms.
Even if there were laws, they would still track us
@@truracer20 especially when it improves algorithms. Because that's another profitable business use that we contributed to.
Not enough opt-in is insufficient it needs to be opt in without consequences otherwise they'll simply refuse the service for sale unless you opt in it needs to be important that there are no negative consequences to electing not to op in
@@truracer20in the early days at least this is how Google operated they would gain a lot of profitability from data collection from you but you would gain access to valuable free services that you are essentially paying for with your data
Sadly they've gotten more and more evil over time
to hell with opting out. the companies should have to persuade you into opting in of your own free will, in a manner that makes you aware of what your opting into.
You spelled wrong: they should PAY you for your data.
@@DarkKnightBruce With YOU getting the bigger cut from their profits. You get 95% and they only get 5% at the go between.
Nooooooo. It needs to be illegal period.
i wouldnt be surprised that they dont put it in such a way that its obvious to the layman off the street. terms of service, vehicle paperwork, etc... but the fun part is, why arent repair shops offering this service to registered title owners with a finance status check on the vehicle????
@Ben.A.R disagree. If I want to sell my data I should be allowed to. I don't want to, and I protect my data to the best of my ability. But I'd someone is foolish enough to sell their data, that is and must remain, their right.
When the government says you have no right to privacy, you then have a _duty_ to disobey.
They'll just put things like software in that won't let the cars go anywhere if the GPS can't pick up satellites.
The problem with that is GPS don't work in tunnels and my Garmin does not work well in Down town Pittsburgh because of the tall buildings. Im sure NYC also has that problem.
I can see cars stopped in the middle of a tunnel or in rush hour traffic. 73@@MadScientist267
I'm sure there is a hack to fix GPS permanently without jamming them. 73
@@ronb6182 In the US it is illegal to disable the telemetry of your car. So if you hack it, you can potentially be arrested.
@@noseboop4354nonsense. If it is your property you have every right to modify, disable, destroy or repair it.
The problem is only if you do not fully own it, as in a lease or rental agreement
GPS Jammers are not a growing problem, they are a growing awesome-ness
The much superior solution would block the data from getting out anywhere. Interfering with the signal has too many unintended consequences. Plus the jammer itself could so easily be tracked by any receiver in the area. The snoops know this too. It would record data in the same way, but it absolutely would be like waving a red flag.
Except when thieves jam your wifi that connects to your camera
Data is now the most valuable commodity in our society. I think people are starting to get tired of being tracked everywhere they go for anything they do. It's not enough for these companies to gather all this data on you, they always end up selling it to the highest bidder.
I want a monthly check for all of my personal info that gets sold.
Bio data is especially valuable. The CCP are paying millions to Ancestry, 23 and Me, etc. The US armed forces have requested their members not use these genealogy DNA test kits.
@@B_Bodziak Yeah, my sis got one done, and I say, "Gee, there goes my aspiring criminal career...THANKS!"
Not the highest bidder but all bidders that are above a certain amount. All of them do it and even with trying to stop it from getting to certain countries which will still get to everyone that pays.
What the hell are you going on about? It's not sold to the highest bidder. It's sold to ANYONE and EVERYONE who is willing to pay whatever price the seller is asking.
That's a huge difference. Your information isn't sold once.. It's sold thousands of times...
Tracking should be prosecuted under wiretapping laws unless properly disclosed and opted into. It should also be rolled into identity theft if sold as apart of data harvesting, and blanketed under unauthorized access to a computer system.
Maybe add it to anti-stalking laws. If a private citizen did this to another person it would be considered illegal and that stalker probably thrown in jail.
Exactly what you said. It's a form of wiretapping and stalking.
Stalking, wiretapping, unconstitutional search and seizure
lol you’re the person that doesn’t know about NSA illegal mass surveillance, commercially available license plate readers, and Amazon+ others deploying facial recognition cameras and building a database of faces.
Well let's go against them with one nice lawsuit? Shall we ?
Many years ago, when I was moving from North Dakota to Oregon, I got stopped at a DUI checkpoint in Idaho. Although I wasn't drinking, the county cop saw my Bearcat scanner and my radar detector, and said "Those are illegal here." I think he was pretty surprised when I pulled up my FCC "Professional Radiotelephone License" (having anticipated such a possibility), and responded: "Not for me; this Federal license says that I can operate any radio transmitter or receiver, anywhere in the U.S!"
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@@nikosantos1172 Said the criminal...
@@PMMcIntyre Everyone is a criminal when government makes laws broad enough to fit anyone.
@@ObIitus acab came from a certain demographic that commits most of the crimes...
@@PMMcIntyre Nah. The myth of the good cop goes completely out the window once they join any police force. They're all complicit in crimes against the population in one form or another.
"Isn't it interesting that the only road to social Utopia, requires absolute surveillance of every aspect of your life." ~Jim Lakely VP, The Heartland Institute
You misspelled dystopia.
I agree with all your points on the law that needs to be written with the exception of IT NEEDS TO BE OPT-IN! Not opt-out.
Need to disconnect it from function as well. No more "if you don't, it won't"...
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Exactly. I always opt out of tracking. Back in 2016 I had a person comment on a photo on my Facebook profile and I hadn't friended that person, I had my profile set to private but some update undid all of my preferences. That was very unnerving.
Do’t forget penalties for violating this. Laws without teeth are just suggestions.
Nooooooo. It needs to be illegal period.
Good point!
In a country that has a legal system that states that an individual is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of their peers its odd how many laws we have declaring that the possession of certain items is illegal due to the possibility of illicit use (police scanner, switch blade knife, high capacity magazine, suppressor, ect.) That in itself is stating that the person having said items has criminal intent. Making them guilty before a crime is committed based on a hypothetical reason. Guilty until proven innocent. Unless you have an eleven digit bank account. Then you can pretty much do whatever you want. Justice by the dollar. The more money you have,the more justice you get.
This comment needs a pin (to the top) or something.
It also includes power and influence combined with money you were given by the government as well to have. The government can always freeze money and assets while you charge you with crimes and eventually take you down. Need the power and influence along with enough money.
"police scanner, switch blade knife, high capacity magazine, suppressor, "
Literally none of these are illegal in my state. Don't try to say things like these items are illegal throughout the whole country when it's only a handful of states that make these things illegal.
More freedom you get
Right except for anything Trump.
In the EU cars are now required to have a SIM with a GPS system that can send your position "if you crash" or find yourself in an "emergency". Everything closed source of course, and that data has to reach the governments emergency coodination center. States want to control everything, and that's one of the reasons they don't want old cars on the road.
The EU created that mandate, and some countries outside the EU did the same afterwards
Yeah, the old "It's for your own good" rude.😄
Only cars produced after the law was written is effected, so has NO bearing on older cars.
@@BPo75 For now.
As a cab driver about 10 years ago, i found that i could improve my cab computer response time in getting "first come first served" offered trips if my cars gps was not working. I watched the mechanic replace the module under a small plastic bubble on the cars roof. 2 screws held the cover on. Knowing there was a huge advantage to a non working gps, i went home unscrewed the cover and proceded to fill the void in the gps bubble with aluminum foil. The foil blocked the signal and i was back to super computer speed. Ran that way for 8 months. Boss found out, suspended me for 12 hours and told me not to tamper with the car. Lol that suspension was so worth the 8 months of being able to snag trips faster than anyone else...
That's awesome. I totally would have done the same thing and felt the same way about it.
I used to run a bread route and would use a jammer to scramble the handheld so I could go home and take naps
@@dreamleaf6784 Firstly, as was said in the video, they can jam other vehicles around you would you want an ambulance on a call to your home delayed because someone driving nearby had jammed its navigation system at an important intersection and it had gone the wrong way?. Secondly they can jam other services that rely on GPS, i.e. timing for large computer systems, timing for cellular phone sites etc. And finally, you don't have a license to transmit on the frequencies that they use. So illegal and very antisocial and selfish in the extreme!
@@qwerty-cg7hv At the same time though, the fact that some people do something irresponsibly isn't a good reason for a blanket ban. There's no technical reason for the jammer to have a range of more than a couple feet if all you're jamming is a receiver in your own vehicle. I wonder how many more jammers are in use that just don't throw a big enough bubble to be noticed by anyone other than the user.
@@qwerty-cg7hvwe have a right NOT TO NE TRACKED ! Violation of the fourth amendment.
In reference to Steve's quote from The Finnish governmental official, anyone who describes actions taken by private citizens seeking greater privacy as "problematic", is part of the problem.
You'd think people would eventually learn that their governments see them with contempt...
Anyone who says the word problematic in positions of authority probably have pics of kids on their harddrives
@@DocHellfish well it is kinda problematic people driving around with jammers, since it jams everything around them, not just their car
@@VamoosoGuess the companies should stop tracking then
The Insurance companies and law enforcement are going to swoop in and scream …… Public Safety. And politicians will eat it up
Even cheaper and easier. I found out by mail from dealer I was being tracked. I grabbed my 18V DeWalt recip saw and removed the little black antennae off the top front left corner of my van. Fixed.
Why not Milwaukee?? :/
@@NEO_Trojanmuldrop4 Makita!
Hate to break it to you but that didn’t do anything. They weren’t tracking you through the XM/Sirius antenna. You’re going to need to dig a bit deeper or pull a specific fuse
I work at a car dealership as a technician. If ever i bought a new car from my manufacturer I would unplug certain modules and antennas. Or pull out specific fuses....
Which ones?
@@franksaldana891 I would unplug the GPS antenna, and I would remove the fuse for the emergency call system. I would unplug the microphones for the voice control system. I would put tape over the cameras in the instrument cluster (these cameras are supposedly installed to monitor the movement of your eyes to discern your attention level).
It's almost as if people don't like being tracked.
Who would ever have thought.
The Finns would not be using so many jammers if the corporations weren't tracking people and using that data in ways the victims don't want or even know about.
Humorously, most people don't realize that by necessity your cell phone tracks its precise location all day, every day.
@@VideoArchiveGuy Not if you turn it off and/or take out the battery.
*Removing the battery not easy on "premium" anti-repair brands.
@@MonkeyJedi99 Then you don't get text messages and other notifications.
Your cell phone knows where you are whenever it's on, and it knows how fast you've been traveling by noting where you were and where you are now.
@@VideoArchiveGuy I'm not emotionally attached to an electronic overlord as I travel about.
Heck, I've forgotten my phone at a friend's house for a whole week and barely missed it.
The thing about opting out of something is that the company can secretly ignore your wishes and still sell your info. As someone who worked for a company that did so I can confirm that it does happen.
try getting out of junk emails doesnt happen
I don't know what you mean. I have never gotten span calls since I opted out.
The EU handles that scenario in their GDPR law, with a fine of 3% of global sales per incident.
@@nospamallowed4890not exactly. It protects personal and sensible data. The data broker can respect the GDPR (ex: do not include your ID within the same dataset just like any data base that fulfill GDPR requirements). There are many occasions where you may link your vehicle to other personal data, ex: when you enter your registration to get spare parts. Worse, in some parts EU, you are even asked to link your credit card to your vehicle for digital highway fees, which is one of the most dumb concept.
@@cronobactersakazakii5133 It is still a lot better than what we have in the US. Here car companies vacuum all of the data from your mobile phone when you connect it to the infotainmnet, collect GPS and external/internal camera data, microphone conversations, etc. Then they send it from car to the manufacturer, process it and collate it with other data available, and then sell the profile to anyone who wants to pay.
Worse, since the laws do not protect the personal data, in a recent lawsuit against (was it Mazda or Nissan, I can't remember) the judge ruled that the manufacturer could do anything they wanted with that data.
Similarly, we had a case where manufacturer employees were caught sharing videos taken by the car's internal cameras of their customers having s*x in the car.
The abuse is rampant and widespread, and in the US we don't even have the most basic protections. Our politicians are more interested in appearances and campaign-driven "for show" legislation like the one about banning TikTok due to its Chinese ownership and their spyware legislation. Yes, it should be banned for that reason, but the legislation should not be single-company or single-country, it should be oriented to any company or nation engaged in such actions... so that this kind of thing can be prevented no matter who decides to replicate the model.
So... rather than jammers I'd rather see features or mechanisms to:
1) Block all outgoing signals of the car, maybe by killing the car's mobile connection and using a strong firewall when you park it at home and connect it to an isolated VLAN to allow updates in but no transmission out via a plug-in to a privacy-respecting home automation platform like Home Assistant.
2) Some way to wipe the car's GPS, infotainment, etc history data before taking it to a mechanic... so that there is no data to take and misuse (like giving it to his home robber buddy).
After I retired from engineering, I scratched a long term itch and opened a pair of BBQ and steak houses. This ran from 1995 til 2015. From the time of my opening, I operated a cell phone jammer in each restaurant. Being an engineer, I carefully measured the field strength to make sure it didn't penetrate the concrete block walls. Its existence gradually became known to my regulars. You would be surprised at how many patrons thanked me for providing a peaceful place to enjoy their meals. That I played Big Band and Swing music in the background also helped.
Unfortunately society has digressed to the point that I don't know where to go to have a nice quiet meal with friends. Sad.
We need the kind of protections that you mentioned for cars, for computer operating systems and internet browsers. I recently installed Portmaster on my PC and was stunned by the number of previously unknown communications (literally hundreds) that Windows, Chrome, and many other programs made out to other servers on the internet. And this is after I had already opted out of everything that I knew to.
Thanks for your description...👍🙏
Nothing to worry about really. Mostly just competitive financial metrics on websites used for search engine optimization
I agree with opt-in. If I opt-in, you pay me a percentage of what is earned through direct, or indirect, sales.
Nooooooo. It needs to be illegal period.
So I can opt out of NSA illegal mass surveillance, public facial recognition cameras building a database of Americans faces, and automated license plate readers that have been deployed since the 1990s.
@@zeitgeistx5239 the government needs not surveil anyone. They just buy the information from the likes of Google...
That'd be like a new version of Nielsen ratings.
When you VOTED, you opted in to the gangsters to be your masters and you can't cry about them.. 😂😂
This wouldn't be a problem if companies weren't stalking people harder than an ACTUAL STALKER ever could.
but the people who want to stalk you, simply direct a conspirator to gain employment at a company where they can access the info
In the UK, the London Stock Exchange had issues when a Truck Driver used is jammer to hide from his company while he napped around the corner from the LSE
A long time ago in a state far far away, when the personnel jammers first came out, my buddy bought one. We would drive around and when we saw someone on the phone driving we would activate it. So what is more illegal, a distracted driver or stopping the distracted driver?
He also used to brin it to the movie theaters and prevent the other menace of society the phone jabbering movie goer.
Someone we knew once got mad at him for doing this and said "what if there was an emergency and someone really needed to contact me."
He responded, "people have been going to movies for 30 years before cell phones without that problem."
One could create a profession by completely removing and or disabling GPS or wifi in all models of new and used cars that have unwanted devices. ❤ 🤔
A wonderful idea. Or one that punishes them. I use an ad blocker that clicks every ad before hiding it and shows me how many tens of thousand dollars I have cost advertizers. Maybe they can modify it instead of replace it. 😆
@@CapnSnackbeardI like the sound of that ad-blocker. I need to find it lol
I'm sure that a market for chips or hacking services to disable all that stuff is already available.
Just disconnect the antenna and put foil several layers around the transmitter.
At least on General Motors cars there's something called a vehicle Communications module it controls Bluetooth and like the satellite Communications for their OnStar systems. I don't know how many things it would affect if you disable that module which could be done as simply as unplugging it or removing the power to it
A modern cell phone is a high end tracking device that happens to make phone calls occasionally.
and can be turned off by the user (but nobody ever does)
@@thebrowns5337 Actually many do not actually turn off. They go into a low power state and act as if they are turned off visually. But dang it some how they are still trackable. Supposedly find my device still works on Apple phones even if the phone is off. They must do some sort of Bluetooth activity in that state or perhaps more but less often to conserve the battery. I never tried finding one turned off but many articles say they can. Probably the real reason batteries are no longer removable.
@@thebrowns5337 Your turned off cell phone can be turned back on by other people without you knowing it. The only way to prevent that is to remove the battery.
@@thebrowns5337 when turned off they still can be tracked
I now confirmed as to why am around certain cars my signals are ended or stopped when close to them on the road. When I spied up or slow down leaving a larger distance the signal automatically returns. I have advised other people of this and they don’t believe it until I show them how cheap they are to obtain and this video. Conspiracy…..NO…..probability yes. Some vehicles use to come equipped to keep their teenagers off their phones by interrupting the signal so they could not use their devices and get in an accident. Not sure if they still have them as an option?
4:40 Mika Häkkinen and Kimi Räikkönen's press conferences demonstrated the typical Finn's enthusiasm for privacy.
Ham operators can legally have police scanners in a vehicle
Finland sounds like an introvert's paradise.
It does...I loved it when we had social distancing here.
My daughter spent a year in Finland. She said it's the best place to be if you don't like socialising with people.
I have a friend who lives there near the Arctic circle. I asked how he does it and he said “be prepared to stay inside for a long while and vodka.
@@happydogg312😂😂😂 That's clever. I like that joke.
For real. I started wondering if I have Finnish ancestry when Steve explained that part.
Just the other day I was waiting to get a blood test, and while I am sitting in this big and mostly empty waiting room, this couple sat down in the chairs RIGHT NEXT TO ME. This, in a waiting room of like 30 chairs where there maybe 5 other people there.
I was like, these people are psychopaths.
When I got up to check the waiting list tv, I did not return to the same seat. Which made things even more awkward. One of the couple gave me a glance. They noticed.
I remember when cell phones became more ubiquitous, movie theaters wanted to electronically block them to avoid interrupting a movie. The FCC shot that down really fast
Too bad
They took action against a hotel chain that was jamming personal Wi-Fi hotspots. Even though it wasn't actually blocking the RF signals the action of sending deauth attacks to non-sanctioned APs was still ruled to be jamming.
Anyone here freq bugs?
@@thehimself4056 What does that mean?
@@soundsparkfrequency junkies. We build dot stuff like this.
Just found your channel and I liked what I saw and heard, so I Liked and Subscribed. Lehto sounds familiar. T C
,Michigan? I’m also the grandson of Finnish grandparents who spoke very little English. My mother could speak it and write some Finnish. Their last names ended in “nen”. Have a great day and let’s be safe out there!
You are much appreciated Steve, 🙏🏻❤️🔥🖖🏻!!!
Should NEVER be opt out - it should always be opt in, also if it is opt in there should be some recompense.
Nooooooo. It needs to be illegal period.
There is already an Opt-In, the EULA.
If it doesn't work without accepting the EULA, that is not an option in system, that's a slave contract.
When we lived in LA, i got a ticket and had to go to "traffic school" taught by an off-duty LAPD officer. When I went to leave, I found I had locked my keys in my car. I ended up borrowing lock picks from the officer to pick my locks. I found it interesting that he had picks on him. I expect he found it interesting that I knew what to do with them-it was something I learned at the MIT AI lab.
It all starts with a locked server rack or desk that no one has the keys for anymore...
@@Haywa11 This was long before server racks. The CPU ws 3-4 cabinets, memory took up 4, later expanded to 5 of much denser core (not semiconductor) memory that doubled the memory. An IO Controller, and a Massbus DMA controller, and then a 2-rack PDP-11 to handle terminal IO. 3 disk drives, each the size of a small washing machine.
I was not involved in the project that wired the elevator call buttons to the computer so we could call it from our terminals. But I learned from the people who did.
I once locked my keys in my car at the DMV and asked if they could call the cops so they could pop the lock. A couple standing in line asked me if they could speak to me outside. The husband was a "retired" car thief and offered to use his wife's Chevy key to pop the lock on my Saturn (I no longer have it). And sure enough, he put her key in, wiggled it a bit, and it opened right up.
Before that, I had an old Dodge Omni and found out that there were only a couple hundred door key combinations, because I went to what I thought was my car in a dark and crowded parking lot at an amusement park, and the door opened right up. But when I got in I noticed my CB radio and stuff weren't there. Very strange to be able to open someone else's car with my key.
I remember reading some kind of lock picking manual by MIT many years ago if memory serves. Been interested in it for years, I also enjoy watching the lockpicking lawyer but never bought a lock picking set. I'd be worried people think I'm a burglar.
AI is NOT your friend.
Come with me if you want to live.
Absolutely love your show bud! Keep up the great work! 😇😎👊❤️
I Love the license plates man. My dude was a judge in MI (probate at first then workers comp for about 23 years before an early retirement for health.) His license plate said "BSK LAW," forever haha. Oh and with Jammers, I was once at a customers house (when I was running flooring crews) and the homeowner was an awesome dude, who instals/works with huge safes. He owns a safe company. So for the purpose of detection and scanning houses, he had a legit military grade radio jammer. it jammed EVERYTHING. It's the type of thing they turn on when they think someone may be trying to activate a bomb through a cell signal. We turned it on while we were working listening to music, and every persons cell phone in the house lost service and even the bluetooth speaker lost connection, instant shut down. He also had to have it registered and jump through a ton of whoops to get it in the first place.
when I bought my 2018 Mustang back in 2020, I specifically looked for one with the lowest base-spec infotainment that does not have onboard navigation or remote app connectivity/monitoring. Ford engineers, to their credit, even gave the telematics system (for cars with a GSM modem for data collection/uploading) its own separate fused circuit. Remove a 5 amp fuse from the fusebox and the car can no longer track you, though it does disable some features in the higher spec infotainment systems.
Really.. Do you carry a cell phone?? 😂😂😂
@@jpnewman1688 If he drives over the speed limit to pass another vehicle, his phone won't track that but his car will. If his car's data is sold to an insurance company, those most likely to buy the information, his rates could be affected.
@@troy.peters so you think the smart phones that people carry everywhere know less than the cars?? 😂😂
@@jpnewman1688 No, but an insurance company isn't likely to buy information from someone's phone when they get what they need from your car that is tracked.
@@troy.peters A phone can and does track your speed. They want to know when you're walking, driving, taking a bus, etc. It does affect what they should be advertising to you.
Finn here. I had wondered for a long time about your surname, the channel picture and all the finnish referencing license plates in your background and you just happened to answer it at the beginning of the video. I had thought "this guy must have lived a long time in the states, as I can't detect any finnish accent in him!". Anyways, cheers from Finland been enjoying the common sense takes on a variety of legal cases and will continue to do so!
The upper peninsula of Michigan where Steve is from, is full of Finnish people, and they take pride in being Finns. Northern lower Michigan, has more German and Dutch roots, but, at this point, a lot of us are a little of everything.
There is a very noticable percentage of scandinavians in most of the northern border US states, including, of course, Finnish Americans in Michigan.
Knew some Lehtos in the U.P., figured you were Finnish.
Well the video is Finnished now anyway! 🤔😈
@@theoztreecrasher2647😂
The problem with any law that allows opt-out is that the company will simply not offer the service when you do. So, you didn't want to be tracked? No navigation. Or no updates. Or no infotainment system at all. Etc. That already happens. Look at many consumer protection laws which all have clauses in the contract you sign that waive them. And if you don't sign? Then no car, no computer, no widget, no service.
Didn’t stop Garmin. That’s a case where you buy into a service.
Buy a very old car, There are tools you can buy online to also see if someone put one on your car, maybe an ex-partner,etc. ex boyfriend.
All new cars sold in the EU are fitted with an eCall device. It's basically an embedded mobile phone. Technically, it's supposed to be only used to contact emergency services in case of an accident. It can be used to locate you but also communicate with you. While it is mandatory for manufacturers to install it, some allow for it to be disabled. That's an "opt-out" situation and not all manufacturers provide this service.
I just wrapped my car with aluminum foil
If I can’t see them they can’t see me
Wrong
I just close my eyes while driving......
i hope you bubblewrapped it first, 2 birds 1 stone.
Shielding is actually a trickier prospect than you might think. A surprising amount makes it through when it's not a perfectly closed conductive shell due to wire holes and such. Much more reliable just to burn out the antenna.
James bond has an invisible car.
I saw it.
The force is strong with this Jetta
I sensed a disturbance in the GPS.
Thanks for all the ideas.
The only thing that should be illegal is not informing the customer that their vehicle is tracking them and not being given the option to turn it off.
I must be Finnish at heart. MYOB is my life's theme. Recently we were driving through Milwaukee and then Chicago. Our GPS's both of our phones went whack-a-doodle for about 5-10 miles in each instance. My first thought was "jammer?", but I was picturing a satellite in space, not someone on the road next to me. Jam away jammers, I can use a map, and it is no one else's business where and when I am. Good video!
Funny thing about illegal jamming devices, they tend to be pretty bad at picking their ranges and levels. The simplest kind is basically a microwave oven with all the protective and focusing shielding removed. You want that where, exactly?
I'm content with just keeping the car manufacturer from tracking me. Since 2002, I have removed or disconnected the factory GPS antenna or related modules inside the cars. The most difficult one was a Mercedes 3 years ago. To get to it, I had to completely unbolt the entire dashboard(without removing it from the car) to reach behind it to move a module that connected to the GPS antenna, as well as the cellular connection. When I returned it at lease end, I had to do it again to reconnect everything. :) On the BMW that I just bought, it was much easier, as the related modules are actually visible once the center console and infotainment screen are taken out. ( also prevents logging of driving data such as acceleration, braking, yaw rate, fuel consumption and engine runtime)
do a vid on how to do it, or link to instructions
I appreciate them using the bright orange connector on the airbag module so it is easy to see and disconnect.
I don't see how you will disable anti lock brakes on these electric cars, so won't be getting one.
How can there be a GPS antenna in a 2002 car?
@@mikesolns1364 the Command system inside my old 2002 Mercedes AMG C32 (selling it was one of the biggest mistakes of my life, when it comes to cars )
Just pull the fuse if you can live without your entertainment center. Make sure you get the right one.
From what I understand up here in Canada particularly in the Toronto Ontario area. It is not illegal to own or listen to or put it in your vehicle. It’s not illegal to do that but it is illegal if you use the scanner during the commission of a crime that’s an added charge or something to that effect. As always, I enjoy your videos. Thank you for posting.
Law abiding citizens are so up to a point. If they are harmed by a crime against them, they may defend themselves by committing a crime of their own. The breach of trust between them and society, the breaking of the social contract from their point of view, opens the possibility of acting outside of the law. In these jammer cases, some people feel undignified, humiliated, controlled, and abused because they are being tracked, being treated like a criminal in house arrest even though they did not break a law. Society has failed to protect them from this breach of human rights. Seeing no legal remedy, they take matters into their own hands.
You are looking at it all wrong. You can't break the law, when there are no laws ! The law needs to apply to everyone equally or it applies to no one !!! When those who's job is to make laws and those who sit in judgment of those laws and those who prosecute those laws and those who enforce those laws are all immune from the law, then THERE ARE NO LAWS !!!!
I remember several years ago, a couple of companies (in the U.S.) installed cell jammers to keep employees off their phones during work. They were each fined more than $120,000.
They should have just built a lead cube around the whole building
@@Spencer-wc6ew copper screen works better. home-made faraday cage! lol
@@Spencer-wc6ew Or just hire whatever planners designed government buildings before cell signals were considered. Desks near exterior windows become extremely popular.
True, but I guess you didn't read that all the companies but 1, appealed and won in court. The reason being that they handled credit card info.
@@brentlloyd7908 You're right. I didn't read that because it didn't happen.
From the FCC:
Signal jammers may not be lawfully used in the United States. The law says no one shall “willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communications of any station licensed or authorized by or under this chapter or operated by the United States Government.” Moreover, jammers cannot be certified or authorized for use in the United States as their primary purpose is to block or interfere with authorized radio communications. This prohibition applies to the manufacture, import, sale, offer for sale, or shipping of jammers. The only exception is for certain limited, direct use by the United States government itself.
Hi from Finland! Been watching these since 4k subscribers so for a long while! Don't remember why UA-cam recommended me this channel but never regretted it! :)
Hopefully you get to million soon!
Edit. Notes: YLE is the Finnish equivelant of BBC.
GPS-tracking is one option for the proposed way to collect tax on drivers by tracking their road useage (how many kilometers and in which areas, city or rural) and tax them based on that. This is seen by many as a HUGE threat to privacy, obviously! If this passes in the future, GPS-blocking will absolutely skyrocket.
And wire clippers...
And since I am a history nerd, congratulations to your recent ancestors for giving the Soviets quite the reception when they tried to overrun your territory in WW2! They were bad-asses.
@@kurtvanluven9351 The Finns are building more rifle ranges because they see that they might need to do it again in the near future.
Would it be illegal in Finland to send Spoofed GPS Data to your car? That action doesn't meet the definition of a "Jammer" as it doesn't disrupt the functionality of it. Assuming you could make the footprint small enough IE. (no antenna) the effects on other drivers or businesses would be minimal as well. it's an interesting theory. The only legal issues i can think of at least in the USA would be that it could interfere with the e-911 thing from On-star used in locating vehicle crashes.
@@bwofficial1776 Although I prefer a straight-pull Swiss, good for them!
As a citizen of the city Groningen, I'll love your T-shirt.
An exceprion should be made for jamming devices with lets say an effective area with a 30-inch radius.
lol, I was about to send you an article on some Florida guy from 10 years ago where he used a cell phone jammer on his way to and from work to prevent drivers around him from using their phones. He got fined $48k.
Yeah if he got in an accident, lotta peeps gonna be kinda fucked.
Feds had an entire task force set up for him 😂
I read abt people buying those overseas and using them in public places to block people braying into their cell phones.
IIRC, his jammer disrupted aviation navigation at an airport he passed twice a day. That will raise some hackles!
But it also calls into question relying on a GPS system so fragile that a "box o' hack" bought on E-Bay can shut it down.
If you leave it active too long, the cell companies suddenly work together to triangulate the zone and suddenly, an unmarked white van begins circling the target area while local law enforcement units are nearby awaiting the signal to swarm.
In the US there was this contractor that did the same with very powerful GPS jammer. He was driving past an airport like clockwork with a tracker on causing all kinds of trouble Took quite a long time to catch him. He was charged with disrupting air traffic.
True! There’s a UA-cam video about him!
Iirc he wasn't doing that on purpose, it was just his daily commute and the charge was bull crap as he had no idea that was even happening.
Overreach is overreach.
@@James_BeeThat is an illegal device if it can interfere with other devices... Dude was risking the lives of thousands of people every time he commuted. I guess the seller of the device is most to blame?
Fair enough. But wouldn't it have been simpler just to make it possible to have a car without a GPS?
Come to think of it, if you're willing to wait, I think you can ACTUALLY order a (new) car without certain features in it.
I read he had to pay ab a 10k fine
Interesting. In my line of work, being tracked can lead to negative consequences. The car I run doesn't have a CAN bus, no GPS/infotainment center. I use a modified stand alone GPS, infrequently; not going to discuss the phone. If plate readers are used for tolls, I take a parallel public road, for a lack of a better descriptor. None of this guarantees any kind of anonymity, but I like to think that it helps. Yes, I also believe that one should be able to opt out. Even then, not sure I'd fully trust it. Always enjoy your videos, Steve.
Thank you, for making this video.
I still believe that the onstar, even though not activated, can still track vehicles.
Doesn't matter ..all vehicles by all brands have tracking devices built in. Facts.
@@Davido50depends on the age of the car
There was a guy in Florida that was using a jammer to jam cell signals so other drivers could not talk on their cell phones on Interstate 4, the cell service providers called the police and after several months they noticed a pattern and caught the guy. I do not think he got jail time, but the FCC fine was almost 50k.
$48k
"Its only okay when the government does it"
the cell providers help track him down, but it was the interfering with the airport operations that he passed twice a day that got him the fine.
@@deilapakserrion9927 that is probably a different guy. One - jammed GNSS signals (that interfered with airport equipment), outher one - jammed cellular connection signal.
@@B_Bodziak2 thousand extra in interest…😂!
I was invited to Marquette for the 4th of July and it snowed. The worst was my friends told me we were just eat local food. Patsy, burnt everything inside of burnt bread. But I do like to feel a leaving Wisconsin and being in a state freedom loving as Michigan❤
I take care of my vehicles. Every 6 months they go in for oil changes and a check up for any other issues. I am still driving my Jeep Grand Cherokee from 2003, so no tracking! The old farm Chevy truck is also off grid. I carry a burner phone for emergencies. Yeah, I am cheap but this video makes me feel good about being frugal.
I drive an 02' Grand Cherokee. I plan to drive it until it disintegrates from around me.
The government will Never give you the option of not being tracked because they are the ones paying for it.
Thats not true
Comissioned with your money. But isnt just to track. Is military science ect, tracking is a residual ability somewhat of a exploit, like radio triangulation of cellphones. Nuclear power leading to weapons type deal, technology and science is always a pandoras box thing, hope for best, plan for worst. Gunpowder apparently was them looking for a life elixer lool some ppl can say it did bad, but fireworks, rocketry ect, so part of the arms race that is life. Jammers r a byproduct, ppl complaining is a byproduct, tbh most stuff here is isnt it? Plan ahead.
@@americanpirate2091 tax
Allowing it, as the social media companies pay the government. Donations, etc. 2025 starts the requirement for cars to more consistently track you, and if their AI thinks you are driving erratically, then it will shut down your car, and I assume summon police. Guilty until proven innocent, and even if you’re sober, will likely arrest you for dui and/or reckless driving. After all, government AI computers would never lie, and their programmers would ALWAYS be on the up and up.
Which government?
I know several people who put their cell phones into a faraday bag as soon as they are in their car, and it's not removed until they are either at a destination they aren't concerned about, or are back home. If they go into a store, about half of them won't take their phone out of the bag until they are away from the store.
Similar to lead lined bags we used to use for film years ago?
You know another one now. ✋️
@@twinkyd.9166 is your car “wired for surveillance?” I am sure you have dealt with that?
Or you know, turn it off, or put in airplane mode.
@@arribaficationwineho32 No. Lead and faraday cages (bags) are two entirely different beasts. Lead is for blocking ionizing radiation. It's not gonna do shit to a cell signal.
Different networks? I wonder if someone was testing a large-scale jammer on cellular frequencies recently, taking out several cellular providers.
Hearing Steve say "Bad Girl" is priceless! I luv Steve Lehto. I want him as my lawyer, my mayor, my neighbor and over for Thanksgiving!
In most cases, the tracking begins before you accept the terms of service and continues even if you never do. It's basically a button to show the next screen not a request for permission.
A locksmith who had decades in the USAF flew into Turkey. At customs the Turkish customs officers pen quit working. The customs officer then reached up and grabbed the pen from the locksmiths pocket. Instantly the locksmith said you can keep this one and managed to get his other pen back. That pen was full of custom lock picks.
Your story has tons of holes in it. It makes no sense
@@Moon_Presenceit does if you know Intel agencies
Hide his lock picking tools in a pen that a cop “ borrowed “
He quickly gave the cop a working pen before he found out that he was smuggling
@@Moon_Presence Made sense to me. 🤷♂
@@Moon_Presence It does if you live long enough. I was shocked they had a law in florida against having pot in a cigar tube. You would think just having pot would be enough law.
I like my car knowing where I am, and have no problem with Tesla knowing it, too. A couple of decades ago a lady was on her way home from a pub or work or something near where I live, and she was a no-show. About a week later (may have been two) they found her car off in the woods having gotten there by leaving the road on a curve and disappeared like the old Bat Mobile used to do in the '60's TV show. She was injured and worse from the exposure but alive. I don't ever want to be that lady, i mean I like the alive part, but not the rest.
Im finnish too! Hey cool. Sauna and stonework/masonry/blacksmith background .
My ancestors were known for their excellent stonework.
Original came from Gebo, WY. A ghosttown now.
We just bought a used car and one of the contract stipulations in the contract is that we are not allowed to remove or disable the gps until the car is paid off. Presumably it's so they can repossess it for non payment. It's the first time I've seen it in a car buying contract.
No worries.. The BANKERS will OWN EVERYTHING and you will OWN NOTHING but be happy in the near future.. 😂😂😂
Buy somewhere else
Stuff like this only happens in the "land of the free"
Common practice. Now illegal to do in many states.
So.. you agreed to this condition?
I always appreciate people who go against injustices or annoyances by looking at things a little laterally. Often, it's not enough to try and stop people tracking or using your data. You can simply make sure the data they get is useless, or wreck it for them somehow.
I'm all for it. Granted I'm British so we have stronger data protection over here, than say the US, but even so, I find it annoying to get bombarded with ads or mail that I have no interest in.
Well sadly you'd get more personalized ads if those protections weren't there, however I'd rather have the protections. Just another reason to buy a flipper zero as it can do everything you said. I need to buy a group of them before they are banned.
no... you just have better liars... they all do the same thing.
Do you have a "loicence" for that tele?
@@TalkingGIJoe Way to miss the point. We DO have better protections, demonstrably so. That does not mean the proliticians are good does it? Learn to do basic logic,
@@kurtvanluven9351 Sure, we have a shitty TV licence but that's a non sequitur isn't it? That doesn't change the fact we DO have better data protection and consumer rights laws here versus the US. Please learn to make a cogent argument.
Hey Steve! I could listen to you speak all day! Great content, stories and your delivery is above the best of speakers in my opinion. On the scanner issue. In our state, now don't quote me...... It is illegal for the average citizen to have a scanner actively receiving signals in a motor vehicle. Now if you are police or fire there are exceptions for them. Also... If you are a licensed Amateur Radio Operator it is legal to operate a scanner in s motor vehicle. The only exception would be in Livonia where the city outlaws Ham radios in vehicles. That would include scanners. However and here is where we need a lawyer for this....... Oh gee...... You are one! In my understanding I've been told that federal law... Giving a person a license to operate a Ham radio would actually trump any city or county laws that would prohibit such use. So the fight begins. You will lose your radios in Livonia and go to court to try to get them back. I don't know how well that would work but I believe Livonia is in violation of amateur radio operators Federal rights under their federal radio license to operate a ham radio in their city. Wheew. That was a mouthful. Could you please chime in on this if you feel like! Thanks again and I'm glad to see your back on you tube. You have been missed my Ethernet Internet friend! Later. Best wishes and take care for now. Oh, I Loved your last live..... You gotta do more! See ya. J Poll. 😊
These vehicles have an antenna connection that is easily unhooked. Just like all devices, this stops transmissions. Most are above the headliner or the pillar trim near the antenna itself. Just look up your vehicle, find the location and unhook it. Its worth a try at least.
"Cheese it, the fuzz" ... Jimmy Cagney? " Youuu dirty rats"
It's curtains for you, Muggsy, curtains!
Don't know about cheese it but the term fuzz was coined in the 60's.
Come and get me "SCREWS"
@@robertprelewitz4511 "screws" were prison guards.....
@@ghz24 The term fuzz was around in the 1930s. It became popular again in the 60s.
In the late 1980s. Los angeles Dwp sent people out to hand out circular florescent lamps to reduce load. When you turned them on. Channel 5 vanished from the Tv. This is before HDTV.
I remember those days, neighbors with super CB radios would mess our three channels up, and we could sometimes hear the conversation.
Selling it to insurance companies on your driving habits. Then the Insurance company raises your rates by 25%. Insurance companies are paying General Motors for this information. GM got caught doing this and it is in 100 millions close to a billion dollars a year. So this means all car makers are doing this.
Steve love how you pointed to the police scanner example as tho criminals obay laws
If your company car has a tracker never disable/remove it, only obscure the signal. Its a big red flag when it completely drops off. That being said be aware most vehicles now have 2 different spots they send and receive from. One is usually the "shark fin/puck" on top. The other is usually a backup 3g/4g located inside the dash.
Why wouldn't you use the WiFi when they give you a free hot spot with such a strong signal?
On one's own phone, it's always possible to unlock developer mode, and use an app to hook the NMEA GPS stack and insert modified data to show a location of your choosing, or randomized. In advanced forms, that can set nonsensical elevation and coordinates, or insert a high or low DOP in 2D or vertical and overall forms (dilution of precision data; or quality of GPS signal).
That kills any map apps, and depending on phone code may also false feed E-911 locations (but not the cell tower mapping), as well as insert fake locations into JPEG EXIF data.
Most cel phones internally hook a GPS chipset to the phone's app's via a standard old protocol designed for marine navigation devices to talk to each other.
After a couple of cases of bad assumptions in "expert" testimony and horrible court decisions, I demonstrated some years back to some lawyer friends who acted like courts and "experts" act honestly or competently, how I was talking to them from a location near a war memorial statue in a government park in North Korea. The data in the picture proved it, right?
GPS is really easy to block (so long as it's not advanced military on other bands), as it's a single frequency with very weak signals. Cell service is a bit harder, given all the different bands, and variable power levels and proximity to towers. In some cases it's easier to make a shield to cover an antenna, than to jam.
Another issue exists with Boeing Dirtboxes and Harris Stingrays, or other IMSI catchers not so often found in the USA. At some post-Ferguson and other large scal protests, and in other cases around SWAT and drug task force activities, Communications Act of 1934 felonies were being perpetrated by various state and city police agencies, that had come up with $200k-$500k for war toys and accessories and training, and used them to willfully and malciiously tamper with licensed cel signals. Idid a sit down with my US Senator and staff over that, among many activists who raised various legal and political pressures, and called for (knowing unlikely) prosecution of police felons under telecom law, and an end to sales of those devices to cop shops for predictably criminal uses. Of course the law wasn't honestly enforced, but we did create Federal policy to restrict those illegal domestic non-military crimes by cops and certain 3 letter agencies.
In theory anyone can buy IMSI catchers, and illegally import and use them, just as cops have done with tacit approvals from the FBI and DoJ prior to pressure to change those policies and practices. Other than slightly higher costs and tech skill needs, that could be "interesting" compared to crude low cost jammers.
Just because your mobile provider wants you to switch to 5G doesn't mean that 3G and 4G have been disabled, particularly when it comes to throttling your data. Freeing up those old "sidebands" is what makes surveillance possible
I'm beggining to think I need one of these. I also am beginning to consider a sort of "burner" phone for occasional use that can be fully offline or just not associated to myself on the records. This sort of privacy mindset will grow over time
If your car is equipped with a GPS reciever, then it get the lat/long signals from the satellite. The jammer you are using is producing similar formatted signal, but it contains garbage. So you are disrupting others nearby using the gps signal. That location information that you get normally (valid location) has to be stored, or retransmitted to somewhere else to be usable.
Thank you.
I would like to opt out of gps devices and all the sensors that shut down my car and cost $1200 or more in labor to replace a $50 part.
I have worked on laboratory equipment with all the bells and whistles that was down 93 % of the time. Without that technology it would have been operational 93%
of the time. This is crazy!
George Orwell 1984 predicted this
so did ted kaczynski
@@TurdFergusenAfter Ted read Orwell!
I don't know how anyone else feels, but in my opinion we are seeing the beginning of an Orwellian nightmare now.
At my age I can only pray I'm gone before it's full on
Orwell scared the hell out of me when I first read it back in the 70s. In particular the reworking of words to mean things they never were intended to mean. Tell me this hasn't been happening for decades. When we started calling the garbage man a "waste disposal" expert I thought it was just plain silly. What's wrong with being a garbage man?
Now I wonder - maybe it was more than silly.
We really need to speak plainly these days and call a spade a spade. Far too many have gotten in the habit of manipulating the language to dehumanize, confuse, or make things sound as if they were somehow much nicer than what they really are. Calling people "units" should be illegal. Businesses that refer to human beings as "units" are apt to mistreat the human beings in their care. I can only see this getting worse
that is thought crime!!!
This is a profoundly dumb fear. The government has been tapping phones for what, a hundred years now?
Snitches looking to get out of trouble and lying on your name are infinitely more likely to get you wrongly imprisoned than any device selling your data.
Company trucks are heavily monitored for speed/distance/breaks(not brakes)...
Make the petition I will sign it!
I am a huge fan of the lockpickin Lawyer. And have been a avid picker for 5 years, because of him and Bosanin Bill. Great video.
He (and Bosnian Bill) inspired me to try lock picking. I got fairly good at it but carpal tunnel syndrome ended my hobby.
@@machintelligence I was diagnosed with carpal tunnel quite some number of years ago (let's just say more than 10 and leave it there)... I was given some treatment options but the doctor mentioned that if I took up weight lifting as a hobby the carpal tunnel might just go away on its own. So I did, and I've not had to worry about carpal tunnel since. I also have been known to pick locks that I own in my spare time.
@@TysonJensen Thanks. That might be worth a try. Exercises seem to have some effect in moderating the problem, but have not eliminated it.
good luck!@@machintelligence
Funny thing about scanners. I know a cop who knocked on a suspected loud music player's door. When the dude opened his door, the cop cued his radio. The cop heard the scanner chirp in the guy's house. He wrote him a summons to court for the illegal use of the scanner to avoid the cops. The dude, turns out, used the scanner at his parties to hear when the police were called to his residence. The cops got eise to this and swapped over to a tactical encrypted channel to put the call out to his house. When the cop got there he did the radio chirp to bust the guy using the scanner.
My little portable HAM radio picks up all the State Police and dispatch comms. They're too cheap to go encrypted - sending full names, DOB, address, vehicle make, model & plate number in the clear.
Several years ago on the Coast to Coast AM radio talk show , Jesse Ventura told the radio host he had the OnStar system disconnected from his vehicle(s) .
Love your shout out to lock picking lawyer, one of my first subscribed channels
The GPS antenna plugs into the back of the entertainment center. The windscreen-mounted antenna contains some electronics, as well as the antenna; unplugging it will prevent the GPS receiver from getting any data, and will disable any tracking, but the rest of the radio will still work normally.
how many peoplr can do that without damaging something else or having to open some seal that the dealer will declare the warranty void ecause you tampered with their ability to spy on you
Nice Three Dog Night nod.
Hoyt Axton. He was to 3 dog night what JJ Cale was to Clapton.
Most people don't realize that the vehicles on the road can be identified and tracked by any of the Road Service companies like On Star, ... STARS... etc., for Emergency Services. If you don't care for your own, personal privacy, the 'authorities' (cough), can track you through any of those companies. It requires a warrant. But, many people have been tracked or found with over-zealous law enforcement. It can be disconnected and shut off at a dealership that sells your car brand. Another tracker is your personal phone. If you are one of those who think it's a bad idea to be tracked back and forth in your daily life... turn off your phone and put it in a Faraday bag, then turn it on at your destination if you need to make a phone call. or find a landline. There are whole websites that discuss these problems. Enjoy...
At one time in my work life I drove for SNCa trucking firm they had SAT COM it was common for the company to to wait for your signal to show up when you started work. Well I parked daily with my SAT com antenna under a roof edge so until I moved the truck they couldn’t see me. Also they got confused if you called the scheduler from Arizona but your truck was in New Mexico. Last they would sometime tell us to drop a trailer a site under construction. I was careful of leaving a high value load in a dirt field that wasn’t controlled.
Just don’t be that guy who parked it near an airport and ended up jamming air traffic control
Sounds like a "them problem." If these are the lengths we are driven to to preserve our privacy, then I guess rhey had better stop doing it. Sounds like their criminality is getting dangerous.
@@CapnSnackbeardguy ended up having to pay a fine because he wanted silence during his lunch break. It was $30k if I remember correctly.
Considering their average range is barely 200ft I dont think that will be an issue
I bet you this is a short-lived issue I would suspect in a few years maybe even now you could get a GPS jammer that would only affect your vehicle
He went back to his car and found FBI.
I recently watched a Toyota dealer here on YT explaining the new info-tainment system and you are absolutely correct about having to sign up for at least a trial subscription to their Toyota Connect service for all the GPS functions to work. It doesn't sound like Toyota is selling the information. It is more that Toyota wants to track the usage of the vehicle so they can see how it is used and remind the owner when the vehicle needs service so that they can sell the owner that service.
To my way of thinking about it the cars computer can remind me to get the oil changed or to install a new air filter without my car having to phone home to the manufacturer.
Actually, you can look into the owners' manual and follow the maintenance schedule yourself. Most maintenance items are fairly simple. I wouldn't go over 5,000 miles on an oil and filter change, regardless of what the manual says, if you want your engine to last. The problem is, you might have to get a scan tool to turn off the idiot light, if the computer reminds you, but can't detect when it has been done.
@@dr.a.w Usually there is a way to turn off the light without a special tool, but it tends to be very counterintuitive and a PITA.
For my car I have to turn the ignition on, but not start the car, then tap a button twice and depress the gas pedal 5 times within 10 seconds.
@@dr.a.w The point is that in order to get the full functionality of hardware that you paid for you have to sacrifice your privacy and allow Toyota to not only remind you but market their services to you. We value our privacy. That is the reason my wife won't have Alexa, Siri, or Google Assistant in our home.
@@dr.a.w
Honestly, if you don't beat your car regularly around a race track, the 5000mls oil change schedule is bs.
I drive since 1997 and change my oil yearly or every 10000 to 15000 miles with zero issues. In general I keep my cars for around 5 to 6 years, with my Lexus I have now will becoming my exception as I plan to run it till they ban petrol.
Rob Braxman has done some videos on GPS tracking by our cars. As I recall, he said nobody knows for sure what information is being transmitted to the car companies. Consumers definitely need to know what is being transmitted, to whom, and for what purpose. And if we don't like it we need the legal ability to do something about it.
Very interesting, and unsurprising! I totally agree that the seeming total loss of privacy is a huge social issue, and is something which needs to be focused upon in greater detail.
This brings to mind my (late) friend Jody who drove truck during the early days of proprietary GPS and routing systems such as the Qualcomm terminals. These were in some ways the great grandfather of the current ELD devices. These had a dome on the top of the truck, approximately the size of a half basketball. It also connected to the truck engine ECM. Jody figured out that if he placed a small metal pail over the dome, and disconnected the ECM signal, the truck was able to be driven without the knowledge of the trucking company. He would visit friends around the country who were "off route" out of bounds from where he was allowed to drive the truck. This was easy since all he had to do was stop at a plausible overnight rest point, cover up the dome and unhook the ECM signal; then go on a side-trip. He would then return to the place where he covered up the dome, and uncover it and reconnect the ECM signal. According to the company, the truck was stopped there with the engine off, the whole time. Not saying I agree with cheating, just telling the story as I remember it. This game has been ongoing for a long time and will continue as long as people feel that their privacy is being curtailed in an unfair manner.
CAPITALISTS at All Costs believe they are entitled to our info. My simple free VPN takes care of that. All my advertisements are geared to if I live in the VPN's location while I live 3 time zones over. 😂😂
Unfortunately it's likely the free VPN is also selling your browsing data
Steve, retired attorney here. A legal solution for phones is simply to wrap it in tin foil. It acts as a faraday cage and blocks the signal. I have a large tin can in my car that I put my phone in. Does the same thing. As for the cars, the solution is buy a older car that doesn't have the technology. Just a FYI. Love your show.
Now I see why the Government had the buy back Junker cars program. They could not track those cars..😮
I wish i kept my old car.
That will stop your navigation system from working. Pull the antenna cables off the communications module.
Yep, this and subscription services are why I'll drive my '92 and '00 for as long as possible even though I could easily afford a new car. I'm hoping they'll last until I give up driving altogether.
Thank you !
its not a finish thing to want your own space, its a scandinavian thing. Also i just wanted to add that we keep our distance like that even when it rains.
Love Finland. Visited there twice in one year for summer and winter. Amazing the stillness and silence in the winter night up north.
Good to hear Finns standing up for their privacy. I wish more people knew about this. I remember when it started and the initial controversy of it which was quickly subdued through simply ending the discussion. Otherwise why isn’t this utilized for locating missing vehicles?? For some good instead of just data and profit.
it was never for good or benefit of vehicle owners it is 100% for good and profit of carmakers and other forms.of corporate greed
you will own nothing and like it the motto of the republican party