Basically, GPS sends out high-precision timestamps (so, the clock) alongside the position of the satellites. The gps receiver uses this to calculate your position on earth. So, when you have a gps receiver, you also get a very accurate clock “for free”, which is why the aircraft uses it. It is usually extremely accurate (sub millisecond precision), so it’s nice. Perfect for accurate timing, so accurate that it counts as atomic clock in the time sync protocol computers use. But if someone is spoofing the gps, well, unlucky, your clock is wrong, too.
yup it did happen to us! it shifted 12hours into the future lol . that was before spoofing was announced. so our procedure is to set time manually and switch TERRain mode off. then if jamming still persists, we reset AESUs after jamming/spoof area. usually the GPIRS gets synched again.
@@midknight1978 Hopefully as the industry is now fully up to speed on spoofing/jamming, checks and procedures with regard to ADIRS will continued to be taken very seriously _at every level_ to avoid another KAL disaster (inaccurate ADIRS, straying into unfriendly territory, getting shot down.) Why can't Russia just chill the fk out, eh?
The time information is sent in the digital packets from the 'gps' satellites unfortunately the packets here a being spoofed/mimicked by stronger faked digital packets and those stronger ones are preferentially used and the data provided and decoded is missing or nonsense.
That's one of the 'standard' ones in that area. There are a couple of places where you will routinely expect to be 'teleported' to....the other is a point off/just in Ukraine, then there's the 'overhead Alexandria' one as well...such a pain. Then, expect a GPWS 'Pull up!' terrain call out in the cruise, always nice to jolt you from your quiet reverie.
@@Shrike200interesting. I tracked a flight that was supposed to depart Larnaca the other day, but FR24 showed that it had departed from Beirut instead which didint make sense. Is this the reason why?
That’s why the old fashioned inertial reference system that acts independently is so valuable as a position reference, it cannot be jammed or manipulated in any way by external influences. GPS is normally very accurate but it can be jammed or manipulated to give false information. In the early day of GPS it was only used to give a secondary or backup position reference to check the IRS, but now it’s relied on more and more. This jamming highlights one of the downfalls of GPS. Even with signal encryption it’s still possible to be hacked and manipulated in the future the hackers just need time!
On the other hand INS itself, despite technology, is prone to err at a moment. The longer the flight, the larger the error. However, it is still useful.
@@crisp.3481 800 METER/HOUR ERROR- Lets see New York to Paris 6 hrs times 800m equal 4800 meters just a couple of miles. As a AME in avionics on both 76 and 757 These units run for years, (Prone to error at a moment)!!??, not from my experience of 30 years Some have mean time between failure mtbf of 50,000 hrs SOoo Also a modified laptop by terrorist set up to screw up GPS will have no effect on INS type systems
@@crisp.3481 Quite agree the old allowable error factor in the maintenance manual on a 747-400 was 3 x T + 3, so for an 8 hour flight the max error was 27 miles, but by then the ATC would pickup on the error. It was unlikely all three INU’s would have the same error and with the built in “voting” system would highlight an erroneous INS. But at least it doesn’t suffer from external tampering.
It can get A LOT worse in a full scale war. GPS jammed, vhf comms jammed, ILS jammed, DME jammed, VOR's jammed, secondary radar jammed, radar altimeter jammed.
What amazes me is how accurate the jamming can be. I flew a few times into russian airspace since the war started and often the GPS signal drops exactly at the waypoint that is at the entry of russian airspace.
They probably have a Jammer exactly at the Border, that overpowers the Signal. Airplanes could use better GPS Modules that filter out Ground Based Signals and even check if the Direction of the Satellites is correct. Kind a scary that they use the cheapest and most primitive available modules.
@@hyy3657 Looking from history since the time of USSR, they probably, more than likely, brute-force something. The words Russian and Delicate usually doesn't go together. But what do I know...
@@MajorLazer182 Sorry but I have to disagree. They demonstrated a few things, but didn't explain them. Explaining is answering the question why/how/based on what principle. Not showing an example. Letting go of a stone and seeing it fall down is not explaining gravity. It's just an illustration of its behavior. An explanation would require some minimal description of forces, mass, etc.
GPS jamming isn’t really an issue, merely a distraction. Spoofing, on the other hand, is rather serious because of the risk of acting upon a GPWS “pull up” warning whilst in the cruise. However, procedures are easily changed, and GOWS and even GPS can be inhibited during the cruise phase in order to prevent spoofing from having an impact on navigation.
They are far from actual war zone but still got affected, what will happen if the jamming is aimed at them? These is things need to be aware of when we closer to conflict.
@@hyy3657even today RuZZia are long busy interfering with national GPS signals! Northern Norway, east Sweden, Danish Bornholm are only some regions struggling with GPS reliability. Even offshore Rescue missions have been targeted by those morons ...
It would seem to make sense to turn off clock updates from GPS when in a known jamming area (or even right after takeoff). The plane's internal clock is easily accurate enough for the entire flight.
I could see this leading to a significant accident in the future as spoofing gets more advanced. Combine a tired crew with false GPS navigation that isn't cross-referencing with other navaids. Definitely a few layers in the swiss cheese model to get through but something to be aware of.
I wouldn’t worry about it. As the SAS crew said GPS is just another top layer of navigation. If that’s gone or spoofed the aircraft can navigate using IRS navigation. Which is what was around prior to GPS and pretty accurate. It drifts over time but updates itself using known beacons and distance measuring equipment. It can get lost if you tell the aircraft you started in a different place but thats highly unlikely nowadays. This GPS spoofing alone won’t cause an accident. It’s a nuisance but we have procedures to follow when flying in known airspace where GPS jamming/spoofing happens. There are many layers of redundancy which keeps the aircraft safe and we’re not reliant on GPS by any means. Its a nice extra but nothing more.
I really think it's not a concern for safety that could lead to accident. GPS precision is only required for some specific approaches and it's a supplementary tool to reduce pilots workload and give them comfort in their tasks. The accuracy without GPS is still very good and approaches requiring that can also be flown the old way with instruments. What these jammings etc do is that it is super annoying. Imagine all these satellites and technology to erase the need to manually make times record and calculation and do the estimations for time with an extreme precision without doing anything, just to have it failed and go back to work the old way with a watch and calculation tables... Frustrating. Adding to that many systems including the entertainment system providing live flight data and modern communications to passengers fail. And even if systems have back up, they trigger alerts. The terrain warning at cruise altitude is just not logical. 35 to 40 thousand feet of altitude, there is no terrain. Pilots as the ones seen are just annoyed and as long as the alerts do not require procedures or checklists do not do anything as it's not a real concern. Navigation in these aircrafts are based on an inertial refence system with multiple backups. GPS is a real extra but not vital. Even without any navaids nor radar control or even ADS-B in an area, the navigation is based on the inertial system which is safe and redundant. The terrain warning can be confusing in climb, descent and approaches but wether it's false or not, the escape terrain manoeuver is mandatory except if visual reference is established where it can be ensured visually that terrain is not a concern (in this case pilots disregard the warnings that's the procedure and it never causes issues, it's like VFR but with a jet) But the jammings happen in cruise and approaches and climbs in terminal areas rely on radar control, or ADS-B or even the way of position report to give position to control is sufficient to avoid terrain and navigate well. This is exactly as if you're loosing connection with your 4G or 5G in your car on the highway with alerts on your car. That's all. Technologies can be very comfortable but they are weak and when you're used to it, it's very frustrating. A former private pilot.
There may be reasons we’ll still want humans in the cockpit for a few more years but this isn’t one of them lol if the GPS signal is jammed or spoofed, all the aircraft needs to do is rely on other sensors (accelerometers, magnetometers, gyroscopes, barometric pressure, visual odometry, etc.) until a good GPS signal returns - exactly what the pilots here are doing with the Inertial Reference System. “How will it know it’s being spoofed though?” The same way the pilots do - in fact I’d imagining current tech is already superhuman when it comes to detecting more subtle and sophisticated spoofing attacks than the “you are now floating over Beirut” one.
@@skoto8219 I mean this is only one of many issues you are having in daily aviation business. I am not worried about cockpits without pilots. In 50-80 years maybe, but I dont think so.
Time could be checked with a wristwatch as well, though. 🙂 I read somewhere that some new GPS chip is immune to jamming, by simply checking the direction of the signal is the same as the direction of the satellite. GPS devices know the position of each satellite of the constellation and, even though each satellites says "I'm John", the GPS device can detect whether this signal comes from the position where John is supposed to be.
Many aircraft carry the spoofing with them They have been countless reports of aircraft receiving EGPWS or WX radar issues ,hours after leaving the Spoofing area. It is a matter of time before a serious incident takes place
Are the GPS jammers above or below the aircraft? Since GPS signals originate from satellites, you would think that those signals would be arriving at the aircraft from above and the receiving antennas could be shielded from ground-based jammers...... just thinking out loud.
Nice video GNSS jamming has been happening for many years. I remember studying it in my geomatics course 10 years ago. But I never thought that most airlines rely on satellite nowadays and INS (inertial Navigation System) became just a backup. VOR DME NDB points and ILS approach seems not iin use very much nowadays !!!
ILS are very much in use, but they require infrastructures on the airport. Small airports might just dont use ILS and rely on visual approaches or GPS based approaches
@@SodaWithoutSparkles Don't forget there are Jepson charts that have routes that are followed (in any usually jet aircraft on long routes not usually on Cessna pleasure a/c
Watched a blackhat presentation a few years ago on spoofing ADS-B, now there are lasers can take out sat coms. Also CMEs and EMPs. SEUs are also interesting.
It needs to be mentioned there are more GNSS besides GPS (US). There are Galileo (EU), Glonass (Rus), Beidou (China) and several others. So users should use more than one system for backup.
They will all be susceptible to the spoofing, except the military GPS frequencies which may only be susceptible to jamming because the algorithm behind the signal is classified. But it would be interesting to see if all the systems are actively spoofed in the same way right now. My Garmin watch supports GPS, Galileo & Glonass, so it's reasonable to think some jammers also support multiple systems.
hey great video! small input: RNP AR flag does not mean RNP is gone.. RNP AR is a special approach type where two independent GPS signals are needed (besides other equipment). They had only one of the GPSs gone initially which still achieves the RNP for the route, however RNP AR was not possible.
Such a dangerous thing actually and how easy it is to execute. No amount of alternate satellite signals (non-GPS, country specific systems) too can be 100% reliable.. as those too can be made susceptible to interference.
This happens quite often these days while flying to Europe from Asia due to conflicts, especially around India-Pakistan/China border, Southern Black Sea, and Iran. You can even see your iPad receiving fake GPS location while flying over high altitude.
Wouldn't the distorted information be produced by a specific formula so the jammer's own systems could easily (computationally) be corrected to the true values?
Does Receiver Autonomous Integrity Monitoring - the FAA required indication on Aviation GPS receivers that tells you that they've gone insane - does it specifically identify jamming/spoofing, or does it just say hey, your signal is bogus, don't believe the position? Does it tell the autopilot to stop believing the GPS? And, hopefully, are the autopilots smart enough to realize it's not possible for the airplane to suddenly jump 100 or 1,000 me in position, and disengage anyway, ignoring where they are being told the plane is? Please tell me I'm not the smartest guy in the room, cuz I just came up with that stuff off the top of my head...
Never knew GPS could be jammed, great video and explanation. Just wondering since GPS just sends its own relative position, the jamming/spoofing is done to the signal sent by the satellites right? Afaik GPS on like a phone doesn't broadcast any signal, just receives from satellites, i may be wrong tho
Yes, all calculations regarding position of a receiver are made inside that receiver. It's really easy to jam because signal sent by satellites is weak.
Maybe, but it couldn't be used to detect the actual location. It would be like trying to see a firefly while you're staring at a car with their headlights on or listening to a bird while a ship is sounding its fog horn.
Does this affect the ability to perform VOR DME approaches? I'm pretty sure most airliners now just draw GPS tracks that correspond to the existing approach procedure, so what do you do when you lose GPS capability and you need to fly something like a DME arc?
If you are flying a pure VOR-DME approach you shouldn't be affected by the jamming. Instead if you are flying an RNAV overlay approach then you are using GPS coordinates, and you will be affected. Nowadays the GPS based approaches are built ad hoc, not necessarily following the track of the old non precision approaches. To have an idea you could take a look at the RNP (AR) approach built for Katmandu and compare it with the VOR approach, you will clearly understand what they have done there.
I'm surprised that the time becomes incorrect. Is its NTP connection not encrypted? Intermittent inaccess to NTP is standard on any consumer computer system.
GPS is also a time source because atomic clocks are used on the GPS satellites. The precise time is required to figure out how long it took the signal to get from 3-4 satellites to the receiver and where the satellite was in its orbit when it sent the signal. My Garmin watch can also set its time by GPS as well as by connecting to a phone using bluetooth. How would the plane get internet? If it had starlink, maybe it wouldn't be jammed, but I think starlink and other satellite internet providers also use GPS to figure out which satellite or antenna (for geostationary satellites) it needs. Any watch set within the last day would have good-enough time for a flight & communicating with air traffic control. The super accurate times are only needed for navigation.
Wait, you think that GPS satellites are using Internet? They can encrypt radio signals but it's slightly different than internet encryption. but if they decided to start using encryption at this point, they would have to possibly replace existing satellites and receivers or have two different signals. Not only that but all receivers would have to use the same encryption key or rolling encryption which could still be hacked.
@@mediocreman2 You're right about GPS not being internet. Note that the 2nd military band of GPS is still encrypted. The civilian broadcasts are on 1575.42 MHz, while military also uses 1227.60 MHz. The different wavelengths refract differently in the upper atmosphere which can increase the accuracy. To my knowledge, no one has been able to decrypt the military signal, though WAAS was used to undo the inaccuracies intentionally added to the system in the '80's & '90's & now it still corrects for distortions from the upper atmosphere. This means advanced military hardware that uses both frequencies can't be spoofed, though the signal could still be blocked.
@@mediocreman2 -I never mentioned "internet". Adherence to a protocol like NTP doesn't necessitate that the underlying packet system use TCP/IP, if that's what you're referring to by "internet".- Ah, I didn't realize you were responding to another person's comment, since you didn't tag them. Apologies.
@@nathanbanks2354 Is its internal clock incapable of keeping time adequately? I imagine that if it's staying at a relatively stable altitude, any time dilation it experiences in comparison to the satellites' atomic clocks' would be in the milliseconds at best?
@@flo3467 There are some B737 in Air China been modified with Beidou AFAIK, probably other providers in small number here and there as well, but all very similar technology anyway, they can also easily been jammed if targeted
@@umi3017 Then the Chinese CAA certified it I suppose, not a huge surprise. Maybe GLONASS is being used in Russian planes as well, but GPS is the only system certified worldwide so far, probably won't change in the near future. Some enhancements are certified on top of GPS as well, for example EGNOS in Europe.
@@flo3467Airbus planes use Galileo as well as GPS - since Airbus is partly responsible for it. Boeing planes do not because it wasn’t approved by the FCC until 2018. Maybe newer ones do now idk.
I experienced GPS jamming in palestine when flying my toy RC plane. on ground there is connection but once I start flying and gain altitude GPS is lost
Our company developed the original Hemispheric Resonating Gyro (HRG), used in some of our Inertial Guidance System, and now Safran has bought the rights to it. It is the best unjammable, uninterruptible, radiation proof, and capable of holding heading accuracies well beyond anything needed to get to any airport, within the fuel range of any aircraft. It cannot land the plane, but it will get you to the airport, within one-mile or so. It is capable of going over the poles, through solar and magnetic storms, and between mountain passes. If I were flying regularly over contested territory, that's company I want guiding my aircraft.
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@@flat-earther Jeez, Cmon, for Gods sake, get some physics lessons, and take an orbital flight. It is people like you that turn reality in some kind of twisted thing in your own minds. As for the Gods, I pray to them all, just in case. Sometimes they answer back, with practical suggestions. PassItOn.
Within the Turkish airspace, GPS interference is quite concerning. Getting along with spoofing is on another level. You simply can't track aircraft passing over certain areas. But I'm really shocked by the clock that is inaccurate. If you have to divert to an aerodrome of which ILS is unserviceable during bad weather conditions, and your aircraft is badly affected due to loss of RNP you just cannot land visually (say there is mist fog or low visibility beyond your minima). That's quite a challenging thing to overcome.
Spoofing is a lot more complex than jamming. Anyone can jam with a powerful enough, and directed transmitter. Spoofing requires you to broadcast multiple time signals with slightly different values, based on the time it takes light to travel between the fake satellites you are emulating.
It's theoretically possible as long as the missile is close enough to distinguish between the signals. I'm not sure if current missiles are designed for this--most are designed to detect radar frequencies which need to be much stronger. If the missile were very far away, the signal from the satellites would be almost as strong as the signal from the jammers. I'm sure the altitude of the missile and curvature of the earth would come into play to decide how close you would have to be. All GPS satellites transmit on the same frequency; the jammer/spoofer would too.
It is not a major issue there are multiple ways to get around it gyro compass is one of the best inventions in the history of aviation and also they use towers with signals you dont need sattelite navigation
Does anyone know if the military signal is impacted by the jamming as well? I remember hearing that Reagan opened up the GPS for everyone to use but kept the most accurate signal protected for the military. If there is another signal that is still working reliably as designed, could it be opened up for aviation only as a next stage in navigation equipment? Obviously this would only be reliable for a limited time, but any technology change is only going to last until the next change.
Agricultural aircraft equipment in the USA use gps guidance down to sub meter accuracy. Agricultural ground equipment in the USA use gps guidance down to inches in accuracy.
military is definitely affected, that is the main reason why the jamming is happening. weapon systems like the Excalibur shell went from 70 % accuracy for Ukraine in 2023 to 6 % same with himmars are down to around 15 % now. there a lot more systems the Ukrainian use that are effected and its not only GPS jamming, probably one of the few competent Russian military formations is their EW
Whoever is managing that iPad needs to change the background to be a completely black image to help the pilot's low-light vision of the physical button labels.
The aviation industry are working on implementing encrypted GPS signals with authentication and handshaking protocols. It will not be able to spoof this new encrypted technology. It will make the airline industry more safe. 👌👌👌👌
I was driving north of Stockholm a few months ago, and suspect I was affected by GPS spoofing, my car's internal GPS map told me I was south of Stockholm
Yes, the autpilot keeps navigating thanks to inertial data and signals from ground based navigation aids (VOR and DME). In case of spoofing, if you start experiencing map shift (the airplane captures a fake GPS signal that makes it think is in a different position at a different time), you may need to ask ATC for headings to navigate. But the autopilot will never disconnect.
But if you get map shift then the autopilot will turn and try to get you back on track, which is the wrong track. I recall this happening to a business jet over Iraq a few months ago. It decided that it was over Iran and made a big turn to get back on track. Basic GPS jamming life you enjoy over Turkey doesn’t really affect navigation.
@EdOeuna indeed I mentioned that in that case you may need to ask headings to ATC, hence you will be choosing a more basic mode of the autopilot (called Heading select in Boeing airplanes)
Its not that dangerous as people think. As a pilot flying through known gps jamming/spoofing areas you should always have even more spatial awareness and always cross check position with conventional navaids. Its bad when you dont get any help from atc due to lack of radar coverage, but if they can provide vectors, the problem is simply just annoying. There are ways to counteract partially or totally the gps problems, but it depends on the type of logical architecture of the gps system installed. Btw, solutions exist. Im pretty sure the cool boys from the us air force have something that is immune to jamming or spoofing.
Military has encrypted Signals, so Spoofing shouldn't be possible with Military Crafts like in the Movie. Although they claimed that they cracked that in the Movie.
You show a commercial cockpit? GPS JAMMING, does not usually effect commercial aircraft as most are either using their 2 IRS (Boeing) or Airbus using their 3 ADIRS systems. Small aircraft that usually do not come from their manufacturer any sort of inertial nav will suffer because they use satellite GPS
Maybe they should take a leaf out of comercial shipping by law have to still carry real charts and old style analoge nav systems . We have gotten use to Sat Nav and digital system that can be hacked or minipulated to create all sorts of chaos.
At least these outages are over generally known areas and are persistent, so they can be managed in a sense. If there were cases that were 'pop up' outages at random points - like the idiots with laser pointers - things would be much more problematic. Or worse: if they could (as if spread spectrum hopping) tailor spoofed data to individual aircraft (which might turn the disappearance/destruction of some aircraft over the last years into possible cases of experiments with these spoofing systems - you would need highly powerful and precise directional antenna systems to do that reliably and powerful data processing resources - but a few bitcoin mining sites might suffice).
Flew London to Bangkok last week tracking along Russian borders and Black Sea. On arrival in Thailand, Apple Airtag told me that my bags were not in Bangkok, instead they were in Crimea 😮
In cyprus it’s horrible. We have gps showing Beirut airport on phones or on flyaway drones for months now and our civil aviation authority and police don’t give a f
Emergency landings alone prove that it is not uncommon at all for these planes to be in an entirely different location than is being publicly reported. For all we know, maybe someone was hired to spoof these routes as a routine part of their employment. I'll admit that does seem like an unlikely way to go about it. Still, it's difficult for an outsider to say how they are accomplishing the intentional falsification of these routes, but there is no doubt that is exactly what is happening for a host of routes on a regular basis. If you are interested to understand what it is that I'm going on about, please see the book, 16 Emergency Landings Proving FLAT EARTH by Eddie Alencar for additional information in this regard. If you locate his video on UA-cam, I believe you will a link to a free PDF download of his book.
Is it safe to say these are state-sponsored actors affecting the GPS systems so that opposing military has issues navigating? Seems like it doesn't work if even airlines know to deal with it. On the other hand, I'm afraid an aircraft will go into prohibited airspace by accident and will be shot down. I know International law can be weak (no teeth), but this is a major safety of flight issue.
@@bricktopperheadon5490 You don't think it's only Russia do you? Lot's of comments on here about Cyprus and Lebanon, who do you thinks behind that and which country is likely to have provided the technology?
I think the goal is to deny civilian GPS systems from being Weaponized. Whether it’s an off the shelf drone, a civilian aircraft or mobile phone these are all dual use products because of their ability to self locate. In the case of the Ukraine, Russian conflict, it is most likely the Russian army is jamming civilian GPS. This still leaves available the encrypted military GPS signals. But denies Ukraine the ability to buy cheap drones from China and tack on a civilian GPS. The same can be said in the Israeli, Hamas conflict. Israel is definitely jamming GPS and spoofing GPS in order to deny civilian GPS guided munitions from being used effectively. In essence, denying Hezballah’s hundred-thousand rockets from being used against Israel. This jamming doesn’t affect Israeli military GPS systems.
Then why is SAS dispatchers routing their flights to BKK through known GPS blocking? Ans. because the company only thinks about money (fuel burn) to BKK.
"It could tell us we're flying into a mountain, which we're not... not at this altitude." Unless the altimeter has been spoofed too and is reading the altitude as higher than it is and you are flying into a mountain.
This video is gold. Never tought that it could reverse a clock.
Basically, GPS sends out high-precision timestamps (so, the clock) alongside the position of the satellites. The gps receiver uses this to calculate your position on earth.
So, when you have a gps receiver, you also get a very accurate clock “for free”, which is why the aircraft uses it. It is usually extremely accurate (sub millisecond precision), so it’s nice. Perfect for accurate timing, so accurate that it counts as atomic clock in the time sync protocol computers use.
But if someone is spoofing the gps, well, unlucky, your clock is wrong, too.
yup it did happen to us! it shifted 12hours into the future lol . that was before spoofing was announced. so our procedure is to set time manually and switch TERRain mode off. then if jamming still persists, we reset AESUs after jamming/spoof area. usually the GPIRS gets synched again.
That’s how it works. Those gps satellites have atomic clocks in them.
@@midknight1978 Hopefully as the industry is now fully up to speed on spoofing/jamming, checks and procedures with regard to ADIRS will continued to be taken very seriously _at every level_ to avoid another KAL disaster (inaccurate ADIRS, straying into unfriendly territory, getting shot down.)
Why can't Russia just chill the fk out, eh?
The time information is sent in the digital packets from the 'gps' satellites unfortunately the packets here a being spoofed/mimicked by stronger faked digital packets and those stronger ones are preferentially used and the data provided and decoded is missing or nonsense.
When I went to Cyprus earlier this month, my Apple Maps,FR24 and the IFE in the airplane showed that I was at Beirut international airport 😂
Yikes!
That's one of the 'standard' ones in that area. There are a couple of places where you will routinely expect to be 'teleported' to....the other is a point off/just in Ukraine, then there's the 'overhead Alexandria' one as well...such a pain. Then, expect a GPWS 'Pull up!' terrain call out in the cruise, always nice to jolt you from your quiet reverie.
@@Shrike200interesting. I tracked a flight that was supposed to depart Larnaca the other day, but FR24 showed that it had departed from Beirut instead which didint make sense. Is this the reason why?
@@Shrike200That’s why you should deselect GPS, set GPWS to OFF (caution: TERR on ND) and set the clock of the aircraft to internal. Problem solved.
Sounds like somebody in Beirut is trying to steal some drones
That’s why the old fashioned inertial reference system that acts independently is so valuable as a position reference, it cannot be jammed or manipulated in any way by external influences. GPS is normally very accurate but it can be jammed or manipulated to give false information. In the early day of GPS it was only used to give a secondary or backup position reference to check the IRS, but now it’s relied on more and more. This jamming highlights one of the downfalls of GPS. Even with signal encryption it’s still possible to be hacked and manipulated in the future the hackers just need time!
On the other hand INS itself, despite technology, is prone to err at a moment. The longer the flight, the larger the error. However, it is still useful.
@@crisp.3481 800 METER/HOUR ERROR- Lets see New York to Paris 6 hrs times 800m equal 4800 meters just a couple of miles. As a AME in avionics on both 76 and 757 These units run for years, (Prone to error at a moment)!!??, not from my experience of 30 years Some have mean time between failure mtbf of 50,000 hrs SOoo Also a modified laptop by terrorist set up to screw up GPS will have no effect on INS type systems
@@crisp.3481 Quite agree the old allowable error factor in the maintenance manual on a 747-400 was 3 x T + 3, so for an 8 hour flight the max error was 27 miles, but by then the ATC would pickup on the error. It was unlikely all three INU’s would have the same error and with the built in “voting” system would highlight an erroneous INS. But at least it doesn’t suffer from external tampering.
Submarines still use it to this day. No gps under water.
@@kizzjd9578 YEP
It can get A LOT worse in a full scale war. GPS jammed, vhf comms jammed, ILS jammed, DME jammed, VOR's jammed, secondary radar jammed, radar altimeter jammed.
Back to basics!
A couple of degrees off in the trajectory of a hypersonic missile could make for one hell of a highly unpredictable situation.
And the pilot gagged from behind
INS and the onboard navigators sextant and Vostok\Rolex GMT watch will tell you where you are within a second or so.
That’s standard military practice. There are missiles around since Cold War that lock on radio emissions like VORTAC
What amazes me is how accurate the jamming can be. I flew a few times into russian airspace since the war started and often the GPS signal drops exactly at the waypoint that is at the entry of russian airspace.
@clutchtucker They perform bad at start, be improved overtime, Ukraine reported their JDAM has dropped accuracy from mid-2023, must be something new.
They probably have a Jammer exactly at the Border, that overpowers the Signal. Airplanes could use better GPS Modules that filter out Ground Based Signals and even check if the Direction of the Satellites is correct. Kind a scary that they use the cheapest and most primitive available modules.
@@hyy3657 Looking from history since the time of USSR, they probably, more than likely, brute-force something. The words Russian and Delicate usually doesn't go together.
But what do I know...
It's possible to direct signals
Underestimating the enemy has always been a weak point for the west
Really recommend watching the full version of the flight deck video from this trip. Excellent content from Gabe and FR24.
Thank you!
Plz share link?
@@Flightradar24DotComwhere to watch?
@@thirushan2028 it's in the video description
Great explanation from the SAS Crew
To be fair they didn't really explain anything. They just described the symptoms.
@@mekowgli Yes, they did explain the symptoms and effects on a simple level really well so that every viewer can understand it
@@MajorLazer182 Sorry but I have to disagree. They demonstrated a few things, but didn't explain them. Explaining is answering the question why/how/based on what principle. Not showing an example.
Letting go of a stone and seeing it fall down is not explaining gravity. It's just an illustration of its behavior. An explanation would require some minimal description of forces, mass, etc.
@@mekowgli ☝️🤓
@@mekowgli Wow you have no friends jeez
GPS jamming isn’t really an issue, merely a distraction. Spoofing, on the other hand, is rather serious because of the risk of acting upon a GPWS “pull up” warning whilst in the cruise. However, procedures are easily changed, and GOWS and even GPS can be inhibited during the cruise phase in order to prevent spoofing from having an impact on navigation.
They are far from actual war zone but still got affected, what will happen if the jamming is aimed at them? These is things need to be aware of when we closer to conflict.
@@hyy3657even today RuZZia are long busy interfering with national GPS signals! Northern Norway, east Sweden, Danish Bornholm are only some regions struggling with GPS reliability. Even offshore Rescue missions have been targeted by those morons ...
It would seem to make sense to turn off clock updates from GPS when in a known jamming area (or even right after takeoff). The plane's internal clock is easily accurate enough for the entire flight.
I could see this leading to a significant accident in the future as spoofing gets more advanced. Combine a tired crew with false GPS navigation that isn't cross-referencing with other navaids. Definitely a few layers in the swiss cheese model to get through but something to be aware of.
Maybe in non-radar environment, probably not likely in US with full radar coverage everywhere.
they will then just upgrade the gps
@@jamescollier3 Then the Soviets will just spoof that too.
I wouldn’t worry about it. As the SAS crew said GPS is just another top layer of navigation. If that’s gone or spoofed the aircraft can navigate using IRS navigation. Which is what was around prior to GPS and pretty accurate. It drifts over time but updates itself using known beacons and distance measuring equipment. It can get lost if you tell the aircraft you started in a different place but thats highly unlikely nowadays. This GPS spoofing alone won’t cause an accident. It’s a nuisance but we have procedures to follow when flying in known airspace where GPS jamming/spoofing happens. There are many layers of redundancy which keeps the aircraft safe and we’re not reliant on GPS by any means. Its a nice extra but nothing more.
I really think it's not a concern for safety that could lead to accident. GPS precision is only required for some specific approaches and it's a supplementary tool to reduce pilots workload and give them comfort in their tasks. The accuracy without GPS is still very good and approaches requiring that can also be flown the old way with instruments.
What these jammings etc do is that it is super annoying. Imagine all these satellites and technology to erase the need to manually make times record and calculation and do the estimations for time with an extreme precision without doing anything, just to have it failed and go back to work the old way with a watch and calculation tables... Frustrating.
Adding to that many systems including the entertainment system providing live flight data and modern communications to passengers fail. And even if systems have back up, they trigger alerts. The terrain warning at cruise altitude is just not logical. 35 to 40 thousand feet of altitude, there is no terrain. Pilots as the ones seen are just annoyed and as long as the alerts do not require procedures or checklists do not do anything as it's not a real concern.
Navigation in these aircrafts are based on an inertial refence system with multiple backups. GPS is a real extra but not vital.
Even without any navaids nor radar control or even ADS-B in an area, the navigation is based on the inertial system which is safe and redundant.
The terrain warning can be confusing in climb, descent and approaches but wether it's false or not, the escape terrain manoeuver is mandatory except if visual reference is established where it can be ensured visually that terrain is not a concern (in this case pilots disregard the warnings that's the procedure and it never causes issues, it's like VFR but with a jet)
But the jammings happen in cruise and approaches and climbs in terminal areas rely on radar control, or ADS-B or even the way of position report to give position to control is sufficient to avoid terrain and navigate well.
This is exactly as if you're loosing connection with your 4G or 5G in your car on the highway with alerts on your car. That's all.
Technologies can be very comfortable but they are weak and when you're used to it, it's very frustrating.
A former private pilot.
Still they want planes without pilots ?
exactly my thoughts, was looking for this comment.
I think this idea pops up every year or so and dies quickly once people remember why we need humans in the cockpit
There may be reasons we’ll still want humans in the cockpit for a few more years but this isn’t one of them lol if the GPS signal is jammed or spoofed, all the aircraft needs to do is rely on other sensors (accelerometers, magnetometers, gyroscopes, barometric pressure, visual odometry, etc.) until a good GPS signal returns - exactly what the pilots here are doing with the Inertial Reference System. “How will it know it’s being spoofed though?” The same way the pilots do - in fact I’d imagining current tech is already superhuman when it comes to detecting more subtle and sophisticated spoofing attacks than the “you are now floating over Beirut” one.
@@skoto8219 I mean this is only one of many issues you are having in daily aviation business. I am not worried about cockpits without pilots. In 50-80 years maybe, but I dont think so.
I've been thinking this before. If autopilot is so great, why not?
Well, I know now
Time could be checked with a wristwatch as well, though. 🙂
I read somewhere that some new GPS chip is immune to jamming, by simply checking the direction of the signal is the same as the direction of the satellite. GPS devices know the position of each satellite of the constellation and, even though each satellites says "I'm John", the GPS device can detect whether this signal comes from the position where John is supposed to be.
I was thinking the same (about checking the time). Whatever jamming or spoofing there is shouldn't affect my $20 Casio watch at 38,000 feet.
Thankfully the Inertial Reference System is still integrated within the nav. units.... For this very reason.
Many aircraft carry the spoofing with them
They have been countless reports of aircraft receiving EGPWS or WX radar issues ,hours after leaving the Spoofing area.
It is a matter of time before a serious incident takes place
Inertial navigation systems for aircraft for the win!
Are the GPS jammers above or below the aircraft? Since GPS signals originate from satellites, you would think that those signals would be arriving at the aircraft from above and the receiving antennas could be shielded from ground-based jammers...... just thinking out loud.
İts above like sattelites
Nice video
GNSS jamming has been happening for many years. I remember studying it in my geomatics course 10 years ago.
But I never thought that most airlines rely on satellite nowadays and INS (inertial Navigation System) became just a backup.
VOR DME NDB points and ILS approach seems not iin use very much nowadays !!!
INS FROM factory is standard on Boeing 2 and Airbus 3
ILS are very much in use, but they require infrastructures on the airport. Small airports might just dont use ILS and rely on visual approaches or GPS based approaches
@@SodaWithoutSparkles Don't forget there are Jepson charts that have routes that are followed (in any usually jet aircraft on long routes not usually on Cessna pleasure a/c
Geeze. Thank you, well trained pilots.
Watched a blackhat presentation a few years ago on spoofing ADS-B, now there are lasers can take out sat coms. Also CMEs and EMPs. SEUs are also interesting.
It needs to be mentioned there are more GNSS besides GPS (US). There are Galileo (EU), Glonass (Rus), Beidou (China) and several others. So users should use more than one system for backup.
They will all be susceptible to the spoofing, except the military GPS frequencies which may only be susceptible to jamming because the algorithm behind the signal is classified. But it would be interesting to see if all the systems are actively spoofed in the same way right now. My Garmin watch supports GPS, Galileo & Glonass, so it's reasonable to think some jammers also support multiple systems.
Jamming is not so bad, it's the spoofing that's scary. All of a sudden you find yourself flying over Beyrut...
hey great video! small input: RNP AR flag does not mean RNP is gone.. RNP AR is a special approach type where two independent GPS signals are needed (besides other equipment). They had only one of the GPSs gone initially which still achieves the RNP for the route, however RNP AR was not possible.
Such a dangerous thing actually and how easy it is to execute. No amount of alternate satellite signals (non-GPS, country specific systems) too can be 100% reliable.. as those too can be made susceptible to interference.
Thanks for explaining. War includes affecting flight safety.
This happens quite often these days while flying to Europe from Asia due to conflicts, especially around India-Pakistan/China border, Southern Black Sea, and Iran. You can even see your iPad receiving fake GPS location while flying over high altitude.
Wouldn't the distorted information be produced by a specific formula so the jammer's own systems could easily (computationally) be corrected to the true values?
Are all 'gps' systems affected at once - the USA, Russian, CCP Chinese and European or only a single/selected one's in each area?
Does Receiver Autonomous Integrity Monitoring - the FAA required indication on Aviation GPS receivers that tells you that they've gone insane - does it specifically identify jamming/spoofing, or does it just say hey, your signal is bogus, don't believe the position?
Does it tell the autopilot to stop believing the GPS?
And, hopefully, are the autopilots smart enough to realize it's not possible for the airplane to suddenly jump 100 or 1,000 me in position, and disengage anyway, ignoring where they are being told the plane is?
Please tell me I'm not the smartest guy in the room, cuz I just came up with that stuff off the top of my head...
Never knew GPS could be jammed, great video and explanation. Just wondering since GPS just sends its own relative position, the jamming/spoofing is done to the signal sent by the satellites right? Afaik GPS on like a phone doesn't broadcast any signal, just receives from satellites, i may be wrong tho
Yes, all calculations regarding position of a receiver are made inside that receiver. It's really easy to jam because signal sent by satellites is weak.
The power/ strength of a signal received from a spoofer will be very very greater compared to satellites ? Can this help to identify spoofing ?
Maybe, but it couldn't be used to detect the actual location. It would be like trying to see a firefly while you're staring at a car with their headlights on or listening to a bird while a ship is sounding its fog horn.
Does this affect the ability to perform VOR DME approaches? I'm pretty sure most airliners now just draw GPS tracks that correspond to the existing approach procedure, so what do you do when you lose GPS capability and you need to fly something like a DME arc?
They're so far only jamming GPS so those aren't affected, but from technology standpoint those are just older and more vulnerable systems.
If you are flying a pure VOR-DME approach you shouldn't be affected by the jamming. Instead if you are flying an RNAV overlay approach then you are using GPS coordinates, and you will be affected.
Nowadays the GPS based approaches are built ad hoc, not necessarily following the track of the old non precision approaches.
To have an idea you could take a look at the RNP (AR) approach built for Katmandu and compare it with the VOR approach, you will clearly understand what they have done there.
Just fly it in basic modes. Hopefully the pilot still has the skill to do this as opposed to flying the magenta line,
I'm surprised that the time becomes incorrect. Is its NTP connection not encrypted? Intermittent inaccess to NTP is standard on any consumer computer system.
GPS is also a time source because atomic clocks are used on the GPS satellites. The precise time is required to figure out how long it took the signal to get from 3-4 satellites to the receiver and where the satellite was in its orbit when it sent the signal. My Garmin watch can also set its time by GPS as well as by connecting to a phone using bluetooth.
How would the plane get internet? If it had starlink, maybe it wouldn't be jammed, but I think starlink and other satellite internet providers also use GPS to figure out which satellite or antenna (for geostationary satellites) it needs.
Any watch set within the last day would have good-enough time for a flight & communicating with air traffic control. The super accurate times are only needed for navigation.
Wait, you think that GPS satellites are using Internet? They can encrypt radio signals but it's slightly different than internet encryption. but if they decided to start using encryption at this point, they would have to possibly replace existing satellites and receivers or have two different signals. Not only that but all receivers would have to use the same encryption key or rolling encryption which could still be hacked.
@@mediocreman2 You're right about GPS not being internet. Note that the 2nd military band of GPS is still encrypted. The civilian broadcasts are on 1575.42 MHz, while military also uses 1227.60 MHz. The different wavelengths refract differently in the upper atmosphere which can increase the accuracy.
To my knowledge, no one has been able to decrypt the military signal, though WAAS was used to undo the inaccuracies intentionally added to the system in the '80's & '90's & now it still corrects for distortions from the upper atmosphere. This means advanced military hardware that uses both frequencies can't be spoofed, though the signal could still be blocked.
@@mediocreman2 -I never mentioned "internet". Adherence to a protocol like NTP doesn't necessitate that the underlying packet system use TCP/IP, if that's what you're referring to by "internet".-
Ah, I didn't realize you were responding to another person's comment, since you didn't tag them. Apologies.
@@nathanbanks2354 Is its internal clock incapable of keeping time adequately? I imagine that if it's staying at a relatively stable altitude, any time dilation it experiences in comparison to the satellites' atomic clocks' would be in the milliseconds at best?
Does it just use the GPS constellation, or do modern aircraft also have Galileo, Beidu, Glonass? Are alternative networks also get jammed?
So far only GPS for civilian aircraft.
@@flo3467 There are some B737 in Air China been modified with Beidou AFAIK, probably other providers in small number here and there as well, but all very similar technology anyway, they can also easily been jammed if targeted
@@umi3017 Then the Chinese CAA certified it I suppose, not a huge surprise. Maybe GLONASS is being used in Russian planes as well, but GPS is the only system certified worldwide so far, probably won't change in the near future. Some enhancements are certified on top of GPS as well, for example EGNOS in Europe.
@@flo3467Airbus planes use Galileo as well as GPS - since Airbus is partly responsible for it. Boeing planes do not because it wasn’t approved by the FCC until 2018. Maybe newer ones do now idk.
This has been going around for about +10 years. Personally I’ve encountered spoofing in 2012.
It is possible to navigate by other planes in the air to avoid GPS ? since every plane have his location position transmitter ?.
Does the jamming also affect radio beacon navigation as well, or is that no longer used?
Out of curiosity why would the APU be affected by this? Or was the APU warning unrelated to the spoofing?
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I experienced GPS jamming in palestine when flying my toy RC plane. on ground there is connection but once I start flying and gain altitude GPS is lost
No problems at night with stellar navigation, flying high above the clouds.
So are we sure Malaysian Airlines is in West of Australia
Now that's an interesting approach.
We need to bring back star-navigation. A system used before gps.
Why is the APU INOP when they lose GPS?
Unrelated issue.
thats why old school paper charts and VOR’s are best.
Our company developed the original Hemispheric Resonating Gyro (HRG), used in some of our Inertial Guidance System, and now Safran has bought the rights to it. It is the best unjammable, uninterruptible, radiation proof, and capable of holding heading accuracies well beyond anything needed to get to any airport, within the fuel range of any aircraft. It cannot land the plane, but it will get you to the airport, within one-mile or so. It is capable of going over the poles, through solar and magnetic storms, and between mountain passes. If I were flying regularly over contested territory, that's company I want guiding my aircraft.
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@@flat-earther Jeez, Cmon, for Gods sake, get some physics lessons, and take an orbital flight. It is people like you that turn reality in some kind of twisted thing in your own minds. As for the Gods, I pray to them all, just in case. Sometimes they answer back, with practical suggestions. PassItOn.
4:00 787 pilots will be crazy when they see there is a table to put coffees.
BTW isn't that illegal to no have a cup cap on??
ok, by the looks of it i knew this had to be an Airbus
Within the Turkish airspace, GPS interference is quite concerning. Getting along with spoofing is on another level. You simply can't track aircraft passing over certain areas. But I'm really shocked by the clock that is inaccurate. If you have to divert to an aerodrome of which ILS is unserviceable during bad weather conditions, and your aircraft is badly affected due to loss of RNP you just cannot land visually (say there is mist fog or low visibility beyond your minima). That's quite a challenging thing to overcome.
So the time is sent to the aircraft by GPS signal !?
Gps has very, very accurate time-keeping. In the old days when GPS wasn't that accurate in position, you at least had an accurate time indication.
The title and dialog says “GPS” but is it just GPS or is it all of the navigational systems (GNSS)? I believe there is about four or five now.
yeah they mean all
Ok, so from the EICAS, I get RNP, GNSS, ADS-B failing….but the APU was listed too 😮
What’s in the APU that relies on GPS 🤔
Read in another comment that it's an unrelated issue.
Spoofing is a lot more complex than jamming. Anyone can jam with a powerful enough, and directed transmitter. Spoofing requires you to broadcast multiple time signals with slightly different values, based on the time it takes light to travel between the fake satellites you are emulating.
Could a modified drone or missile be used to seek and destroy spoofers/jammers?
It's theoretically possible as long as the missile is close enough to distinguish between the signals. I'm not sure if current missiles are designed for this--most are designed to detect radar frequencies which need to be much stronger. If the missile were very far away, the signal from the satellites would be almost as strong as the signal from the jammers. I'm sure the altitude of the missile and curvature of the earth would come into play to decide how close you would have to be. All GPS satellites transmit on the same frequency; the jammer/spoofer would too.
@@nathanbanks2354 If several drones were used. One could trilaterate and find the offending transmitter(s).
Do any Russian airlines flying through the Black Sea etc. feel gps jamming aswell
They would not be immune if there is jamming in the area.
Don’t they use GLONAS ?
@@rorhug They mostly still fly west planes
Russians could ask for the jamming to be turned off unless the Ukrainians are jamming too.
Did this aircraft have an APU Fault on dispatch?
Yes it did.
Does the IRS update itself using GPS input though? It could be very bad if the IRS loses its position due to bad GPS data.
yes, but u can tune one or two VOR nearby and once you are exactly overhead one you can update the aircraft position.
Wow, I had no idea.
If I am not mistaken, they are passing over Turkiye.
It is not a major issue there are multiple ways to get around it gyro compass is one of the best inventions in the history of aviation and also they use towers with signals you dont need sattelite navigation
Does anyone know if the military signal is impacted by the jamming as well? I remember hearing that Reagan opened up the GPS for everyone to use but kept the most accurate signal protected for the military. If there is another signal that is still working reliably as designed, could it be opened up for aviation only as a next stage in navigation equipment? Obviously this would only be reliable for a limited time, but any technology change is only going to last until the next change.
Agricultural aircraft equipment in the USA use gps guidance down to sub meter accuracy. Agricultural ground equipment in the USA use gps guidance down to inches in accuracy.
We european ahave our now GPS now called Gallileo but i guess its jammed as well by the russians
Both military and civilian are impacted
military is definitely affected, that is the main reason why the jamming is happening. weapon systems like the Excalibur shell went from 70 % accuracy for Ukraine in 2023 to 6 % same with himmars are down to around 15 % now. there a lot more systems the Ukrainian use that are effected and its not only GPS jamming, probably one of the few competent Russian military formations is their EW
Whoever is managing that iPad needs to change the background to be a completely black image to help the pilot's low-light vision of the physical button labels.
That cockpit is incredibly quiet for flying at 280 knots!
The aviation industry are working on implementing encrypted GPS signals with authentication and handshaking protocols. It will not be able to spoof this new encrypted technology. It will make the airline industry more safe. 👌👌👌👌
You're so naive, it is almost cute.
Jamming with a powerful signal will still disable GPS.
The signals are all there but the avionics are not... You can make a encrypted Galileo receiver yourself today!
Encrypted GPS signals doesn't mean it can't be jammed.
There's already an encrypted GPS signal available to the US military.
Encryption can only help with spoofing.
im just curios if this spoofing or jamming had any roll in MH370 crash ?
Where was the explanation?
This just highlights the extra work pilots have to go through.
Don't they have enough to do on the flight deck already?
I was driving north of Stockholm a few months ago, and suspect I was affected by GPS spoofing, my car's internal GPS map told me I was south of Stockholm
Never knew this could be an occurrence
Does this GPS jamming also affect Russian aircraft
That is scary!
So does an autopilot work on those conditions?
Yes.
Yes, the autpilot keeps navigating thanks to inertial data and signals from ground based navigation aids (VOR and DME). In case of spoofing, if you start experiencing map shift (the airplane captures a fake GPS signal that makes it think is in a different position at a different time), you may need to ask ATC for headings to navigate. But the autopilot will never disconnect.
But if you get map shift then the autopilot will turn and try to get you back on track, which is the wrong track. I recall this happening to a business jet over Iraq a few months ago. It decided that it was over Iran and made a big turn to get back on track. Basic GPS jamming life you enjoy over Turkey doesn’t really affect navigation.
@EdOeuna indeed I mentioned that in that case you may need to ask headings to ATC, hence you will be choosing a more basic mode of the autopilot (called Heading select in Boeing airplanes)
ICAO should make all the efforts to implement GLONASS and GALILEO integration along side GPS.
Pretty sure the RuZZians are jamming the frequencies if those positioning systems as well, just to be sure.
need to start using astro-inertial systems. Work well when you're above the clouds...
Its not that dangerous as people think. As a pilot flying through known gps jamming/spoofing areas you should always have even more spatial awareness and always cross check position with conventional navaids.
Its bad when you dont get any help from atc due to lack of radar coverage, but if they can provide vectors, the problem is simply just annoying.
There are ways to counteract partially or totally the gps problems, but it depends on the type of logical architecture of the gps system installed.
Btw, solutions exist. Im pretty sure the cool boys from the us air force have something that is immune to jamming or spoofing.
This is pretty much the plot of 007 Tomorrow Never Dies
Military has encrypted Signals, so Spoofing shouldn't be possible with Military Crafts like in the Movie. Although they claimed that they cracked that in the Movie.
Great video! Very interesting and informative 👍🏻 👌🏻 👏🏻
Saint Peter is okay with clocking with a sand clock
Why did he say that they don't use RNP on that aircraft anyway? Do they not do RNP approaches for example?
The inop sys is RNP AR at 2:54, maybe they are not operating at airports that make use of it.
Cant they use rtk or satellites?
Aircraft have integrity monitoring for GPS
You show a commercial cockpit? GPS JAMMING, does not usually effect commercial aircraft as most are either using their 2 IRS (Boeing) or Airbus using their 3 ADIRS systems. Small aircraft that usually do not come from their manufacturer any sort of inertial nav will suffer because they use satellite GPS
Maybe they should take a leaf out of comercial shipping by law have to still carry real charts and old style analoge nav systems .
We have gotten use to Sat Nav and digital system that can be hacked or minipulated to create all sorts of chaos.
At least these outages are over generally known areas and are persistent, so they can be managed in a sense. If there were cases that were 'pop up' outages at random points - like the idiots with laser pointers - things would be much more problematic. Or worse: if they could (as if spread spectrum hopping) tailor spoofed data to individual aircraft (which might turn the disappearance/destruction of some aircraft over the last years into possible cases of experiments with these spoofing systems - you would need highly powerful and precise directional antenna systems to do that reliably and powerful data processing resources - but a few bitcoin mining sites might suffice).
Bring back VOR’s
Flew London to Bangkok last week tracking along Russian borders and Black Sea. On arrival in Thailand, Apple Airtag told me that my bags were not in Bangkok, instead they were in Crimea 😮
In cyprus it’s horrible. We have gps showing Beirut airport on phones or on flyaway drones for months now and our civil aviation authority and police don’t give a f
Can someone explain why the APU is INOP for a GPS fault?
Unrelated issue.
It was already inop before
Emergency landings alone prove that it is not uncommon at all for these planes to be in an entirely different location than is being publicly reported. For all we know, maybe someone was hired to spoof these routes as a routine part of their employment. I'll admit that does seem like an unlikely way to go about it. Still, it's difficult for an outsider to say how they are accomplishing the intentional falsification of these routes, but there is no doubt that is exactly what is happening for a host of routes on a regular basis. If you are interested to understand what it is that I'm going on about, please see the book, 16 Emergency Landings Proving FLAT EARTH by Eddie Alencar for additional information in this regard. If you locate his video on UA-cam, I believe you will a link to a free PDF download of his book.
We’ll explained
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Is it safe to say these are state-sponsored actors affecting the GPS systems so that opposing military has issues navigating? Seems like it doesn't work if even airlines know to deal with it. On the other hand, I'm afraid an aircraft will go into prohibited airspace by accident and will be shot down. I know International law can be weak (no teeth), but this is a major safety of flight issue.
It's the russians. Due to Ukraine's use of JDAMS and GLSDB's, among other things
@@bricktopperheadon5490 You don't think it's only Russia do you? Lot's of comments on here about Cyprus and Lebanon, who do you thinks behind that and which country is likely to have provided the technology?
I can’t recall having GPS issues flying into or over Israel but I’ve always had GPS issues flying into Beirut.
I think the goal is to deny civilian GPS systems from being Weaponized. Whether it’s an off the shelf drone, a civilian aircraft or mobile phone these are all dual use products because of their ability to self locate. In the case of the Ukraine, Russian conflict, it is most likely the Russian army is jamming civilian GPS. This still leaves available the encrypted military GPS signals. But denies Ukraine the ability to buy cheap drones from China and tack on a civilian GPS. The same can be said in the Israeli, Hamas conflict. Israel is definitely jamming GPS and spoofing GPS in order to deny civilian GPS guided munitions from being used effectively. In essence, denying Hezballah’s hundred-thousand rockets from being used against Israel. This jamming doesn’t affect Israeli military GPS systems.
@@matthewk4930 Civilian drones fly no problem with out GPS ,you have a video feed
Autonomous flying .... LOL ... it is NOT happening. This is why you get this highly trained guys in the cockpit.
Anyone notice interference at Athens Greece Airport yet?
Then why is SAS dispatchers routing their flights to BKK through known GPS blocking?
Ans. because the company only thinks about money (fuel burn) to BKK.
Great video. Thanks. Subscribed. Cheers
Reject GPS and embrace sextant, make natural star a reference again
yay
Two first officers and no captain?
At times that will be the case during cruise when the Captain is resting. On long flights everyone takes equal periods of rest to stay fresh.
"It could tell us we're flying into a mountain, which we're not... not at this altitude." Unless the altimeter has been spoofed too and is reading the altitude as higher than it is and you are flying into a mountain.
Altimeter is barometric, not an externally received signal.
There are airlines that still allow passengers on the flight deck?!?
That blows my mind.
You would never see this with a US carrier
I was on a flight into Ercan fro a few weeks ago aborted landing flew around for 30 mins this was due to loss of GPS Flight radar had us in Beirut
use cameras and AI to use the stars