The Art of Identifying Wonderkids
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2023
- The best thing I do in Football Manager is find wonderkids. I have gotten better at tactics and through research have learned how to train players, but what I have always done, what I have always wanted to do, is find and collect wonderkids. This video is the art of knowing which player is a wonderkid and which one is just another young player.
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Just got my PhD in Wonderkids.
Appreciate it as always Z
The video FM community really needed. People keep buying 5 star potentials and expect miracles.
I still really mad players dont really develop after age 18-20. I mean they should at least age 25-26...
@@gregorgerzson1767 they do, just a lot slower. If you see attribute growth of +1 or even +2 per year from 15-18 it then slows down, after 20 growth is maybe +1 per 3 or 4 years. But most only see a 21 year old former wonderkid who stopped developing, sell him for profit and buy 4 new 18 year olds with that money
I mean normally 5 Stars means at least some +++ in the Transfer Market 😂
@floriangraf3105 I might be really far off but I seem to have more luck with wonderkids depending on nationality. Argentine forwards, Portuguese midfielders & Romanian defenders seem to do well, I've had a lot of luck with Croatian wonderkids as well.
So long as the potential shows that they can improve, I focus on the personality and current attributes to see if they look good. This video just made me a little more confident in that approach. Thanks z.
The Diamond in the Rough players who come through and their "potential" isn't good, but they just keep improving are my favorite ones. I also think they are the most important players for any major club. Those players who end up in the 3 star range by 23 who started out looking like a future release just make things so much better for any club.
this is the kind of video i subbed for. glad you are doing them again
I'd 100% buy that centre-back if I was like a PL team or Bundesliga etc. A 17 year old CB, with that potential, that is either footed, has 12s and 13s in the right mental areas and has 13 starting pace? for what £12-15 million, that you could easily buy for probably £7-9 million up front with performance based bonuses. He also is already decent at handling pressure as well. Just train him on defensive positioning which should get that marking/positioning to at least 14-15, if not 16s. Plus he has no adaptability issues either. Push that guy forward 3-4 points and you are talking about an either footed, very smart, fast centre-back.
Why does he think he can only improve him 3-4?? He's 17 with almost max potential.
@@matthewtully7328because FM23 was broken for development
Z you gotta be cautious on these titles. FBI gonna come looking for you 😂
@santoshennessy1706they adding women’s footy in 2025, let the fbi/epstein memes commence!
I've got a great youth scout named Jimmy Saville scouting for wonder kids. He seems to have a great eye for young talent 😂
“I’ve just got a 16 year old kid coming through the ranks. He’s on the petite side at 5’5” but he’s got great technique for a 16 year old and also amazing physicality. Extremely agile and quick, this kid could run through the whole team if he wanted to”. That’ll be the day FM’s gone 😂
Im sure even the FBI no the diff between wonderkids and normal kids. This got pinned wow.
@@adriandavies25you gotta be doing a Leeds United save 🤣
The AI also "tells" you which players have a chance of becoming world beaters. Look for the following:
1. Wanted sign from teams like Liverpool, PSG etc.
2. Insane market value and not at top tier teams (e.g. Bulow). If a team like Auxerre is asking $70 M for a 18 yo, he will be a world beater.
3. Contract Negotiations. For example, if a striker is asking for goals bonus or international cap salary increase it's a good sign.
Of course, you still have to look at personality and attributes.
Keep in mind, players with either feet or that play multiple position will get a really good scout report even if they are not that good and will never be.
+1 to all these. 👍 Just saw another video elsewhere that two-footedness cost 18 CA already, and actually would hinder growth, all other things been equal. Wondering about how many CA points are lost when a player is retrained another position by a loan club ...
Instead of manually scouting international tournaments I just use the search filters to get a full list (15-19 year olds with at least one cap, 15-17 year olds with 5+ youth caps etc)
That's really good method, I also use that and last season I spend 10mln for 3 wonderkids whose after joining my team at the end of their season league are now worth 230mln combine approx. . And they are still just 19y 😅
Hi, how do you make this kind of search ?
An excellent video! Helpful tip 1 is the most crucial rule, IMO. As a rule of thumb, add 4 to any attribute highlighted by the role you want to play him in, and you'll get a decent picture of who he will be, best case scenario. And understand, he won't get 4 in every one of those attributes. It's only a guideline.
While it's mostly true to not expect a player to change much in his playstyle, there can be exceptions, such as when there's a large gap between their Current Ability and Potential. But then again, it's tough to identify those cases without the In-Game Editor.
Even when the large gap between CA and PA is there, the point is that the dribbly boy is still going to be a better dribbly boy and not a shooty boy. Yeah, his shootyness will get better, but he's not going to go from speedy dribbly boy winger to target man or big complete forward or something.
@@thatissomeBSYeah, outside the true Messi like wonderkids it’s tough to increase most stats by more than 4 I’ve found. So any stats under 10 are not going to be world class. Many times stats 12 or under won’t improve by more than 3. Still workable, but you’re not changing a poor dribbler into a wing wizard.
Screen flow. Free "scouting" for any team at any level, and can give you a heads up on a lot of good to great players. It just a PITA to set up
Currently playing in Hungary, it's a great save if you want to sign the younger aged potential wonderkids, mostly from Africa and Eastern Europe. South American players who never left the continent are great to loan until you have something going.
I got to say. That while your general comment at the start about players not fundamentally changing who they are is more or less true, there is potential for change when the PA is very high compared to CA.
Your example with Cisneros shows this going from a 9 which is bad, to 18 which is top class. And of course even if its exceptional, its just a dramatic change in performance in that department. Even a lower 5-7 points would still be.
I myself found a young 18 yo Serbian midfielder for cheap with apparently loads of potential. Due to that I wanted him for RPM because its a demanding position and he was relativelly complete....with one issue, hisnpassing and vision were 10 and 9, terrible for a playmaker.
But I believed in him and went for it. I did suffer it a bit at the start, but yet here we are. With 22 years and still potential to spare he has 17 in both attributes giving me a very complete and creative player that fits the role greatly together with his other mental and physical increases. Of course I focused him on passing for 2 years. But when its a single thing that uou need to really chamge, it is possible if the potential is high.
Its true that other departments I didnt focus on, like technical and mental defensive aspects, have barely moved but those were good enough to start. So throgh development he was really allowed to fit a role he apparently wasnt meant to.
I needed this video, thank you ❤
Teaches you to let go, beautiful message
good vid nice content as always Z
When I'm in just below the top league I like signing wonderkids, because it gives them a year at least of playing together before getting into the top league, meaning we don't need to renew the whole team when we get promoted, only half or so. Also lower stakes being not so good in the 2nd league than the first lol.
Why does the thumbnail look like H3H3, I'm cryingg
the fredy adu reference is hilarious lmaooo well played
Great vid Z
Nice throwback to the GOAT of FM07 Freddy Adu
What's your opinion on selling these kind of "failed" wonderkids with a rebuy clause even though you might get less money for them? Just in case they end up reaching that potential. Great video, as always
I’ve never found this. Hopefully the new “late bloomer” thing will change it, but currently they’ll improve negligibly after 19/20.
Great content!
Regarding development of attributes of your players, it's really annoying that you do not have the "development view" for players who are out on loan. If you really want to observe development (of the attributes) of those players you will not be able to prolong an existing loan, but they will have to come back first, then you can have a look at the development screen and then you can push another loan. That gets quite time consuming when you have a certain number of players on loan.
Or is there a different way to see that development while they are away?
Important video, thanks!
Is there a recommended limit of players for each mentoring group or can you add a crazy number of players?
Thanks for the content. Any chance of The Network Game returning or the Show Down. Stay safe 👊
What are the best media handling type's? I know the personality stuff and used to ignore the media handling but would like to add it to my game.
I too am a connoisseur of incredibly talented young humans
speaking of players that doesnt seem much but have great results is Abel Ruiz from Braga, the guy scores 30 to 40 goals per season for me, its crazy
I have a question: The potential ability rating that the scout give me is according the rest of the players in my team or the league that i play?
Could this personality link also work with previous FMs?
What leagues are you likely to be able to persuade these u18 players to join? So many times I’ve found a player that looks like he could become an absolute worldbeater but doesn’t want to join until the second he turns 18 where all of a sudden he’s ecstatic we’ve put in an offer or I get beaten to them by another team (I know nations like Brazil it’s mandatory that they turn 18 before they can move)
Maybe France? In my Monaco save, I most recently scouted a 17 year old Danish wonderkid striker who, according to the scouting report, had no interest in joining. I had a bid accepted and and suddenly he was very interested.
Thank you papa Zealand
I really liked tip number 5 😂
I see the development arrows up for some of my players over 26 sometimes tho? I imagine it's much slower then but does this not happen?
When im in lower leagues setting up scouts always put the current ability at 3.5 stars or more depending on how low i am. Im looking for that realy true gem that maybe i can somehow steal to my weak club and not only have a great player but also make a ton of cash selling him. The rest of the scout for normal players to keep my squad i do manualy. Specialy because loans are a god send in lower league anyway. My main issue climbing is always cash and bad facilities. Both which a wonderkid can improve, so i wouldnt completely ignore this video even if you are lower in the leagues. There are plenty of average wonderkids i bought for 50k and sold for many millions because they had somewhat of a potencial. Even if they are a 150 PA it good enough to trick some clubs into spending a ton on them
The Art of Indentifying Wonderkids....Genie Scout
wait, so is it hard coded that between 19 and 26 a stat cant improve by more than 1? because i swear ive seen some improve by like 2...
The Freddy Adu clip 😂😂😂
10:08 full respect to our boy Christian Yildiz
I spoke before I saw his shoutout
is it just me or is it more realistic to have the editor on for scouting bc any scouting team is gonna have access to FM as a baseline for most players in real life. Like my local USL 2 scouts use the info for real scouting and don't just keep it locked to a set potential. PA I know in real life is variable but locking a scout out to a specific region or info is acting like they don't have the internet until higher judging ability.
Great video Z . And now the 1 million dollar question : why scouts don't tell me the true potential of a youth player and they compare him with my squads potential ? I want my scouts to tell me hey this is a player with 175 PA .
Because its not realistic look at the amount of failed wonder kids in football
@@pigeoto I just want to know what I am looking at maybe the player has 175 PA but he has a bad personality so he still be a lost wonderkid, or the scout could give you a range of PA for example 155-170 so we still know what kind of player we have..
@@BoxinSquare_ there are websites that can give you a pa range for players in fm
Zealand can u do a greek save on fm24
The trick with wonderkids, if you are not in the top league, is to loan them (hears the loans song in his head) instead. Sometimes if you loan them for a season and become close with the player via constantly praising them, you can then convince them to sign with you. Obviously, if they're already worth 100mil, you won't be able to afford them, but I've managed to get wonderkids to sign for me in League 1 and Championship using this method.
If they won't sign for you, you can just keep loaning them every year...
Liam Delap made 100 appearances for my Stoke team before he signed permanently lmao
Do I loan out youth players under 18 to develop them, or do i keep them in my youth team?
Loaning makes sense after 17/18.
Depends how good your facilities are and how good the player is. State of the art facilities + 1 star or below CA, definitely keep them in the reserves/youth team. Good facilities + a player that is 1.5 stars or more, I’d loan them out if you can find a decent suitor
Thank you! @@matthewvaughan8192
my mind was absolutely blown at the idea that player ratings rarely go up past like +5 and above. There has been so many dudes I've signed thinking their 10 finishing at 15 yeara old was gonna get to 17 or 18 by 22. Geez!
When your team is so poor that wonderkida don't wanna join💔
Hey, does anyone knows if you can die in FM? Like, you start at the maximum age and then play 50 seasons, will your manager stay training at 100+ year old or will the game force you to retire?
You could go to play on forever. There is no forced retirement for "your" manager, no matter what age (at some point, you may run into some oddities in terms of how his age is displayed, but that should be it).
@@Oakster_ thanks man, been asking myself that lately, but sadly i don't have much timr avaiable to test it
Eventually it just keeps showing 99 from what I heard
Just found an 18/19 y/o Romanian striker with 16 finishing 😮💨 he’s joint top scorer in serie a while I’m top of the league with Fiorentina
In my experience finishing is incredibly overrated. 15 composure + 10 finishing is much better than 10 composure + 15 finishing.
Anyone know where to see a players media handling style
Tip: sign antony milambo from feyenoord and jevon simons from psv
That ai head shot looked like Ethan Klein of H3.
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7:55 missed the free Balotelli joke :/
i ususally look for young players that have high determination, work rate, natural fitness, stamina and good personality (almost no one has all of that, but that't the stuff I always look at), and they almost always develop into world class players
Of course they still have to have decent other attributes
"If you're not in the top league, signing Wonderkids is not where you are."
*laughs in Sunderland*
Has anyone ever had a players determination drop after signing a new contract. I have a CB who was 3.5stars 20 determination, signed a new contract and his determination dropped to 4 and to 2.5 stars instantly. Not over a season it all dropped instantly.
Giving young players big contracts can drop their hidden attributes. Sometimes even a huge drop. I did some experimenting with this and noticed that mainly loyalty, determination and ambition can drop. I once had a young player who played some decent first team matches and his manager came to me asking for a new contract. I gave him the contract he asked for and his loyalty went from 14 to 1, ambition from 13 to 4 and determination from 12 to 7. Always, always decline the new contract demand for a young player.
If that player is in a mentoring group and receiving an effect from the others in it, it could just be that. A player with low determination will drop someone with higher if the experience gap isn’t right
@@matthewvaughan8192 No it was instantly when he signed the contract, he’s 24 so shouldn’t be that effected even if he was in a mentoring group.
Especially if they came from a much weaker league. I've had that happen several times. I usually sell them when I get a first decent offer for them, except when they have already developed extremely well, which is rarely the case, but even in those cases I will probablly look to sell them but only if I get a really good offer, because I prefer my players to have high determination. I only once left a player whoese determination fell from 20 to 6 to play the whole career for my club, as he was brutally good, and I was playing with a weak league club (Hajduk Split), so I just couldn't get a player even clos to his ability
@@masterwesty 24 year olds are still affected by mentoring. It tells you how much a player is receiving from a group. But it can happen after a contract too if their ambition is low
i couldn't find Nahuel Cisneros
I got a basic ass youth recruit as far as stats go EXCEPT as a 15 year old he has 16 finishing. Oh! And he‘s a LW. He scored in every game and those arrows are always up. Potential is 3 stars but he’s consistently the best player. Damn those stars!
Do an MLS to Club World Cup save. 😂
I find that in youth intakes there's no time to scout a player before you can lose the opportunity of compensation and instead of nabbing a 15 year old for £750k, you have to pay £20m. I usually go by 'the higher the value, the higher the potential'.
wouldn't it be more productive to loan a player from South America to a worse team in England (if you were managing in England) so that he adapts to playing in England even if he's not in your starting 11?
Well, he would need the same time to adapt to the new country, while maybe playing more but the training facilities are also probably worse.
Earning your phd in finding wonderkids takes a lot of trial and error
If I am not in a top league I scout in less scouted regions, think south africa, morocco, or central america, for wonderkids at that level, buy them up, teach them the language then sell them in Euope for profit. Great way to get finances.
The fact when I play FM wonderkids aren't my focus it's about focusing on the now if a team eg my wigan save when I joined them in November 2024 sat 19th in league 1 just above the drop zone signed will grigg, devante Cole, some 22 year old American forward, Alan mannus all on a free about 4 games in sat 13th in league 1. beat Leicester reserves in the papa John's trophy Ben Amos made 3 saves in the shootout we got drawn against Manchester City reserves and if we beat Cambridge united in the 2nd round replay face championship side Middlesbrough
I'm not a native but...do you know how the English language works?
adaptability or as as Zealand calls it dadaptability
great how this work on console?
I cant see media handling style on my players, anyone know why?
Lots of skins don't show it on the player profile screen. Go to overview->information, and you'll find it there.
I only look at personality type and determination if the player is younger than 20
There is a way thay require a lot of skills and game knowlage , fm editor i think
The wonderkid on the thumbnail looks like ethan klein lol
One thing about professionalism that almost nobody knows is there's a REALLY easy way to tell if a player has high professionalism or not.
If they tuck their shirt in for matches they have high professionalism, if they don't then they have low professionalism.
More graduate courses plz. I'm behind on my credit hours. XD
Much prefer these types of videos to videos about Fiji's national team.
Bro loves football more than kai havertz
My Tactic for Wonderkids, as soo as I reach the Champions League consistently: If the Potential is 4+ and they are und 10 Mio. I sign Them.
To make make a profitable Transfer is almost guranteed 😂
This title can easily be mistaken for some proper dodgy activity 😅
@Zealand yo wth the AI generated guy in the thumbnail is my face with blonde hair. AI IS GOING PLACES BROTHER...
Hi
6:59 why would adaptability matter if he moved from an english club to another
Why does the regen in the thumbnail look like ethan klein
Needing high professionalism is unrealistic, look and Suarez and Ronaldinho lol
The probleme is that in the game training is not that impactful wich is a shame , the game just dosn't give us the possibility to realy shape players . The players developements are quite scripted and you can't go from a 9 passing to a 16 or 17 even if the player spend 5 years training and working on his passing skills wich is unrealistic . Even zealand can have a 16 passing if he works hard for years.
No he cant.
I've got a kid in my team... Well, not a kid anymore... Who has been developing nicely, gets up to 4 CA and PA, but then suddenly drops to 3 CA despite playing well and having up arrows. Frustrating. He's recently turned 26, and has won the Premier League title in every year of his professional career, so he's not so bad.
I think you mean 4 or 3 stars… ca and pa are out of 200 and a hidden value. Stars are relative to your team and are provided by a staff member. If the staff member is t good at judging current or potential ability than your stars may be a little off
@@SimersFM Or if the squad has strengthened the previously 4 star player is now only 3 stars, as the team average has improved but the player hasn't that much. This has to be kept in mind as well.
As long as the attributes were improving then the CA stars don’t really matter once they’re at your club. It’s heavily form-dependent, too.
Me anytime I struggle with names I have to go to Google translate to find out to pronounce it don't know why I care to do it
I cant believe that player can only grow by 25 % or only grow by 4 in an attribute in his career, or is that to age 23? How somebody have then 17 in attriute in his peak of his career? In this case his attribute must be 13 when he was 15 years old.
I checked with FM genie scout. i had 2 players with 187 potential. one guy is 90 CA the other 110. they are 16 years old, 1 guy 110 CA the other guy 90 CA. they 110 CA went in average 4 points up highest was 6 point . The 90 CA highest was 7 points. That is if they reach theirs potential. u can see what kind of an player u get. So u right with 4 points average growth. really good video
I have been having problems with what I call ghost players
Like a 4 star current ability striker
Who by the age of 23 and been out on loan playing every game for 5 years has only ever scored 3 goals 💀
How are you 4 star and terrible
Keep in mind it's my Chelsea save we win the league every year my staff are the best possible.
These are supposed to be world class players but don't put up numbers when I try get them experience
Or well, you know; Use fm genie scout😂
Doesn’t really work 6 seasons in does it… hell, 1 season.
I'm BEAST at finding wonderkids without even scouting them . Just by looking at their attributes, I can guess how much their potential can be .
Z saying that you can't push an improvement of more than 7/8 in a given attribute -
Me who has an wonderkid cominho through my Youth intake that went from 5 vision to 16 vision and still has a star left of potencial ability to achieve - pff amateur
Does he know that FM24 has been announced? 😂
Yes, he talked about it on stream. If you mean a video should come out on, in my personal opinion it was just the release date announcement and a trailer, nothing big for the moment. I think the feature announcements in the next weeks will be more significant to do a video about.
Personality means everything.. Balanced personality = trash ..
What i find absolutely dumb and really really really stupid in FM is that i've seen a lot of regens that look extraordinary but are basically a trap. I've seen regens spawning with 120 CA, looking like they are gods, but having PA of 140. I think thats just unrealistic bullshit.
I think the game should have like at least 40-50 ability points between CA and PA when regens spawn. It should still vary, like 40->200 or 80 -> 140,... but never spawn a regen having almost the same CA and PA.
I doubt a guy whom is born a star and age 15 and can play directly in the first team cannot progress.
Its like in real life, players like Messi or Rooney would've never progressed past the age of 17. And to make it clear, im not saying it cannot happen for lower levels of play. Im sure there a lot of young players that are good for 1st team in 3rd division that dont end up as stars.. but a kid that could directly play for Barcelona at 15,, unable to progress? thats unrealistic.
To put it in game terms, CA 80 -> PA 140 is ok (the 3rd divizion kid), but CA 120 -> PA 140 is just simply unrealistic.
You need to shave that head again bro
My 3 cents, that high current ability as Z showed(in 16 year old) most likely wont happen for you ever,. Z is cheating that's why he can show things like that . Or plays old versions of FM ( in old versions it was easier). I have scouted all youth intakes ( from all leagues around the world ) for 3 seasons there was not a single player remotely close to that first one , not even anything similar to Rafael. Well i play with database that has only 80000 players maybe Z palays with larger one, but i have all the important leagues included.
Cisneros wasnt even his player, why would he cheat? His database is bigger though for sure.
@@thargoff well cheating part is just a joke, but most of the stuff he does, does not work on my saves. Like force selling players . Unless player plays well no chance of selling him, even if he plays well but has high wages ( over 8mil GBP) .
Ok big fudge