NO To Necas, The Canucks Should Target These Wingers Instead!
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- Опубліковано 24 тра 2024
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At the season-ending press conference, Patrik Allvin announced his intention of adding another top-six winger. He is also looking to add speed to his roster. For months, the Canucks have been linked to Martin Necas of the Carolina Hurricanes, an RFA looking to cash in. I would advise the Canucks to steer clear of Necas, and in this video, I provide three alternatives.
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Who should the Canucks target for the top six?
Patrick Kane he's still really good and cheap
I considered him, but I don't think he would be interested coming out west. I would love to be wrong on that though.
we should get McDavid and get him a cup
or Bedard, he'd love to be a Canuck
Reinhart would “probably” be the best chemistry with Petey followed by Guentzel. For cheaper option, Dubois and obviously Lekarimakki.
Something I’ve noticed about Pettersson is that he plays well with right hand shots. Toffoli, Kuzmenko, Garland, Boeser… Lekkerimäki?
Lekkerimaki could very well be in the lineup next year and i remember someone saying a line could be hog petey lekkerimai and honestly i wanna see what lekkerimaki does next year cause im basically 100% sure he will be playing on the line up next year probably not full time but like if someone were to get injured or someone is playing really bad he will go in for them
Idk about Garland on Petey’s wing. Chemistry didn’t seem there alot. One thing I know for sure…he likes shooters on his wing. Petey passes alot…
Imagine if we could get Brady Tkachuk on Petterson’s line.
Don’t know how they’d pull that off, but just the thought of them playing together has me drooling… 🤤
@@JSnipes-nb7uy right? Plus Quinn was feeding Brady nasty breakout passes in junior so they already have chemistry as well.
Matthew should already be a Canuck. Thank you Benning. 🤨
I think one of the main reasons why ppl are so high on Necas is that he fits our timeline so well. He is a 25yo C/RW who is 1yr removed from a 71 point season. Although he regressed to 53 points this year, that was all while playing 3rd line minutes with Drury and Martinook. He's fast, can shoot, and super creative with the puck. Although he is not necessarily a shut down defender, I think the notion that he is a defensive liability is a bit of an exaggeration. I agree that he does sometimes have defensive gaffes here and there but in no way would I say that he is a liability playing in the top 6.
All the other guys you mentions although good (and likely cheaper) are all pretty much in their 30s (minus Ehlers). We obviously want this team to be competitive for as long as possible and I think having Necas gives you the option down the line to move Miller to the wing if he starts to regress (I still think he'll be solid for at least another 3-4 years) and run a tandem of Petey and Necas. I don't think his cap hit will be that much of an issue given that the caps only going to go up every year. What may seem like a 7.5m dollar player now may be more like a 5.5-6m dollar player a year or 2 from now.
I also think he has a huge potential to breakout playing with Petey. He never gets to play with Aho or Svech aside from the PP and still puts up respectable numbers. Sorta reminds me of JT miller in Tampa. And it's not like Miller was great defensively when he first got here so I definitely think Necas can grow in that department too.
People think about Necas as the 71 point guy. Other than that one season, he’s had much lower point totals…similar to Conor Garland.
There were some reports that Brady Tkachuk is getting frustrated being in Ottawa and missing the playoffs 6 straight years and could be available,
If he dose I'm pretty sure Vancouver could be on the short list of teams to be dealt to since his best friend Quinn Hughes plays here!
my question is... if toffolli is so great. why has he been bounced around so much from team to team? something just doesnt add up.
I think its because he continues to have personal success despite playing for sub par teams
Because he’s old and is slow
Wingers in free agency are a dime a dozen! I would not trade assets for one! Centers and Right handed Dmen are the valuable commodity! Since we are good down the middle if we sign Blueger I would concentrate on building a Big fast D corp! We are set in goal with Demmer and Silovs!
For sure tho whatever the player we get the main priority is get someone to be on Peteys wing. I would like to keep Hronek but not the money he asking for. He needs to take a hometown discount and I don't think that's him
Yes, Yes, and Yes - I strongly agree with each of these potential acquisitions!
You need a power forward type winger to play with Petterson, open up time and space for pettey to make plays
Necas has shown during the WC24 that he has great potential if given the chance. The Swedish team full of NHL stars was handled like a kids and a lot of people said that his true colors were greatly restricted by Carolina's style of play, I would not be surprised to see him hit 100 points in teams like Panthers, Oilers, Leafs or Predators.
But its also trues that if you are looking for a more defensive player or power forward, you should probably look elsewhere, he is more speed/skill player than power/battleforthepuck that you need for Petterson right now.
I’m not super opposed to a Necas trade, but I think Pettersson needs a Burrows type. A guy that can play North-South, can agitate, get into the corners, skill it up, but also retrieve pucks.
Another good show. I trust Alvine to make the right moves. The future is exciting with a management team that knows cap and asset management. There has been a massive difference from last off-season.
Necas wouldn’t be a bad winger for Pettersson and Hoglander. He has some size, speed and he can both put the puck in the net and pass. Maybe there are better options, but he wouldn’t be terrible.
God, no more mediocre forwards
@@bananianhe’s 25 6’2 185lbs the regular season he had 24 goals 53 points in 77 games on a relatively low scoring Carolina team doesn’t seem very mediocre to me the only issue I would have is what we would have to give up to get him and what we would have to sign him from though I think terravinen would be a better grab
I wouldn’t be upset if they acquired him, but I would exercise caution and try to get a ballpark figure on his next contract first. I wouldn’t want to pay him more than Boeser at 6.65.
I wonder if his 71 point season was an anomaly.
@@TheBluelineHockey Canucks don’t have room for another Playoff underperformer
I’ve been saying this all season, get yourself Tyler toffoli
what about duclair?
Yeah that’s a good cheap option
Hes been on 8 teams now, and he isn’t even 30. Could be cheap, but maybe there is a reason nobody has invested in him long term.
@@TheBluelineHockeyI don’t think he’s a locker room cancer if that’s what you’re implying. I don’t think he’d be a bad fit here, if he wants to play in a Canadian market.
Duclair is wildly inconsistent, but when he gets hot, looks like a top line forward. Also, hasn’t performed well in playoffs. I’d still like him on the Canucks tho.
@@rubberduckie5518 maybe Drouin would be a good option too
The Canucks need some damn Canadian boys
Same Drafted class as pettersson necas necas has the shot and speed and power forward good along the Boards can played all positions
100% agree Toffoli. Low risk. Known chemistry. Tinker with Hoglander/Podkolzin/Karlsson and Lekkerimaki up and down the lineup. EP2 should also be groomed . Zadorov 7 years 38M more term less aav 5.5ish, Toffoli 3yrs 13M, Lindholm 40M 6 yrs Dakota Johnson 4yrs 7M need more than 1/2 games out of 7 games series. Tyler Myers 2yrs-5M (good retirement pension), Ian Cole 1.8-2M, your're in or in the way. Filip Hronek, can be replaced; Blueger same salary 1 yr Mikheyev trade for a 6/7th rounder. 21.5of 26M used leaving 4.5M for trade flexibility mid season or near deadline
Linholm and Joshua wont be going that cheap and thats quite some term for zodorov i think 5 years would be better
Guentzel or toffoli
Yes. Free agents so they wouldn't need to give up Hronek to acquire them. As long as the cap hit is reasonable.
Guentzel and toffoli are good as long as if there not asking for too much. It also gives petey a good winger
@@Canucksnate that's why Tofolli would be my first choice as the price wouldn't be as high and he wanted to stay here. Plus signing him as a free agent wouldn't require trading assets away. Guentzel would be perfect but it will cost a lot.
@@jacksonjacob7791 do you think ehlers is a good option
I think they could probably clear just enough space to get Guentzel, but their flexibility for the future will decrease.
Necas is more than a 53 point player. Example: The worlds tournament 4 games played 6 points. Small sample, I know. The system in Carolina limits his potential, it prioritizes zone possession and defense. It is too ridgid and doesn't mesh with his game well. He could perform much better somewhere else that will allow him much more creativity and feature him on a first line. Disclaimer: I am a Canes fan, I have watched him play a lot.
Ya .. he's more like a 40 point player. People are way overrating the guy. He was 30.. 40..40...70..50 To me the 70 looks like an anomaly. A 4 game tournament doesn't trump a 5+ year sample size and there is nothing special in his game. He is not an elite top 6 winger.. or even a particularly good one. And he isn't a good defensive center and is abysmal at FO's. He is literally Hoglander level and Hogs is younger and a lot cheaper. If they are going to go out and spend on an elite winger for petersson then do it.. but get someone that actually fits the bill and isn't in their 30's
canes system and tochetts system isnt all that different.
Unless trading Hronek allows the canucks to free up cap space then a trade seems pointless as forwards are more easily obtained thorough free agency without giving up assets.
Then they need would to find a replacement for Hronek.
The whole point of trading him is to free up cap space so they can re-sign guys like Joshua and Zadorov.
If that doesnt happen I'm of the opinion that it would be better to find a fair deal to re-sign him.
And why waste a trade asset like hronek to for a guy like Necas.. who is not an star top 6 player or a high offense producer at all.
Based on the AFPA projections of what players will earn, there is easily enough money to ice the same team as last year sans Lindholm and Cole, but including Hronek, Z, Blueger, Joshua, Myers, Silovs, a 13th F and 7th D.
Buyout Mikheyev and there is 6.9 million with which to obtain a winger for Petey. Trade Mikheyev+ (perhaps a rebuilding team will retain some of his salary for picks while a competing team with need for a middle-six forward takes over his contract) and now we're talking a bit under 8.1 million.
That's all assuming the AFPA projections bear some resemblance to future reality, but also that nobody takes a discount. If Allvin can convince some FAs to come back for slightly less than what the AFPA projections tell us, we could be in 8.5-9.5m territory. That's starting to look like enough to acquire a RD with a bit more pedigree than Juulsen to play with Zadorov _and_ a high quality UFA winger like Teravainen or Toffoli.
That's just me typing from my armchair, and I highly doubt it'll play out like this, but the point is to illustrate that I believe your instinct is bang-on: signing Hronek for 7.5-8 is not as bad as a lot of columnists and fans are making it out to be. There are clicks to be had in anxious fans who believe there is no cap space, and a steady stream of articles about potential buyers/returns for Hronek.
@@ratiquette getting rid of Mikheyev would be extremely helpful. If they can't trade him, I'm hoping ownership bites the bullet and buys out his contract.
He isn't good enough offensively to play in the top 6 and doesn't even kill penalties. So he's really not very helpful in any way presently.
Getting rid of him may be completely necessary to even make the playoffs next season.
What is your opinion on re-signing Myers? Because it appears he would be willing to play at a reduced rate.
I'd also love to see Tanev return. And the Canucks players would love that. And he may be open to coming back. I heard he was hopeful to be traded to Vancouver at the deadline.
I'm also wondering if Lindholm would make sense to re-sign instead of a winger, then moving Petterson to the wing on either the first or 2nd line.
Although Lindholm did turn down an 8x8 contract with Calgary before. And will have teams like Boston trying very hard to sign him.
I think a priority should really be for players who will maintain or improve their special teams since that really hurt them in the playoffs.
Toffoli sould help their power play. Tanev would help their PK. The Canucks really needs to be cautious and not allow their penalty kill to regress to where it was 2 seasons ago.
@@jacksonjacob7791 Yeah, I like keeping Myers. Even at the projected cap hit of 3.1 I think it’s worth the money, but I imagine he might do something more along the lines of 2.5-2.8.
Tanev is great, and it would be a good story, but I think he would have to accommodate the team’s cap situation beyond what is reasonable to expect from him. For me - and I fully recognize this is a long shot - Chatfield is the ideal fit at RD for the term and price he should command. Then you have Myers and Soucy expiring in 2 years with EPD and Willander as candidates to step in.
I felt the same way about Lindholm at first, but I think the price is too high. The winger class at free agency has a lot of good candidates for that line who will come at lower cap hits.
Regarding special teams, a season can make a big difference. I think they _will_ add players who can help on the PP, but I also think they have some very clear places where they can improve through conditioning and mindset changes. The Sedin era team got a lot better at stuff like this over the years and the only major top six guy they added during that time was Samuelsson.
Toffoli. Yeah
What's wrong with Necas?
I outline it in the video, his defensive game is suspect, and he is going to command a lot of money for a 53 point forward.
Hes not very good and certainly isn't a top end top 6 forward. So whats the point?
How about Hronek and Silovs and a couple of draft picks for Marner
Doesn't show up in the playoffs! No Thanks
Oh sure, leaf fan...😅 😂 you want Quinn Hughes too? 😅
We already have a Marner on the team.
I would keep Hronek right handed defencemen in their prime are hard to find. Wingers are dime a dozen and Lekkerimäki is projected to be top six player. Canucks management should have patience and stop trading away draft choices.
We’re in win now mode, it’s just part of the process. To suggest we wait for lekkerimakki to be ready is to say let’s waste 2-3 years of Quinn,Petey, Demmer, Brock and JT’s prime… no thanks!
@@JSnipes-nb7uy Petey was no show in the playoffs, Demmer never played, Brock was injured final game how did that help JT's prime. Most likely Canucks won't be able to resign Lindholm and Zadorov and will have nothing to show. They have good players and can build, through their farm system. shrewd mid level trades, and free agents signing. No 1st or 2nd choices in this upcoming draft. So keep giving up top drafts choices for rental players for 3 or 4 years of playoff run with no guarantee of winning it all then back to 10-15 years of rebuild. No thanks. Short term gain for long term pain is not process.
@@larry1541 Imagine being as dumb as you are... wowza!!
lets sign hronek, myers and dillon.
Interesting ideas! FYI, the “c” in Necas is pronounced like “ch”.
Thanks! I was struggling trying to pronounce it.
YES to necas. Stop being delusional, he’s 25 and the most talented forward on the canes. Tocchet can teach defence, look at miller. Kuzmenko just couldn’t produce under pressure.
If he is so talented they why are they not going to keep him and even more important why are his numbers so bad. As an offensive winger he looks no better than hoglander. Would hoglander be the best player on the canes?
Why not just resign Lindy
And you are an expert because? You are an overzealous fan nothing more.
This is very helpful feedback, Tim. I'm sure the creator will take this info under consideration when making videos in the future.
Welcome to UA-cam, where overzealous fans share their opinions.
marner
Nucks have too many softies already. Passola.