Rule of Two is a double edged sword. With constant cycle of master being taken down by the apprentice and the Sith knowledge keeps getting lost every time.
It does have that issue, but it also had the built in benefit of ensuring the apprentice always becomes stronger than the master. That is, if it was followed properly, but it rarely was.
Not really lost the Masters if I remember from the Legends books especially Banes books they pass on all they know if they were good( as in good at teaching) Masters, because ultimately if they understood the rule of two, they knew, and wanted their apprentices to eventually kill them, and take over so they would try to teach them everything they knew, but some of them were greedy with their knowledge, and that’s where some knowledge was lost, but not all and not every time
I wish Disney did not own Star wars. Can you imagine the great stories from Legends that we could get. Sorry I'm just a fan of the legend stuff more than modern day stuff
@@Harpymoon-c5g I don’t blame you. While there are certain aspects of the current canon I like, I still prefer the Legends version of the Star Wars universe
@@darylsdesigns6679 it's kind of ironic it was this channel that got me into Star wars. Darth nihilus is my favorite character. I've started playing the nights of the Republic recently and I've been enjoying it.
Darth Bane could have been just a speck of dust on the mining planet he grew up on. Fate had other plans. He was powerful in the force and even though he thought his legacy would fail with Zannah and without him it was more effective the way he originally envisioned it. His apprentice Darth Zannah is one of my most favorite sith in Star Wars
Zannah was, and remains, THE Greatest of The Sith Ladies. Both a thinker AND a warrior. Not the most powerful, but that..? made her even more dangerous. (And she would have BUTCHERED Sidious - or literally MAKE him kill himself! Zannah is to the Sith, what Nomi Sunrider was to the Jedi - a take no shit, smokin' hot Powerhouse. 100/100! ✌🏼
Darth Bane has always been my favourite of the Ancient Sith...i love his design, even before the armour....it's like if the revived spirit from The Crow became a Sith, and now that i think about it, coming back from the grave to avenge your death and the brutal death(s)of your love ones is something that the Sith would find very appealing
To me the way i always picture darth bane should talk should be done in a dark hollow whisper much like the hp lovecraft monster nyarlathotep to make it that the darkside of the force is speaking in a living body
One correction, the Jedi Reinforcements that turned the tide of the Seventh Battle at Ruusan got to the surface because Bane ordered the Sith Fleet to break their blockade of the world. This allowed Lord Farfalla to relieve Lord Hoth right at the moment Kahn was poised to kill him and his last remnants of the Army of Light. This was done to both bring more Jedi into the potential maelstrom, make the Sith desperate enough to forgo caution and embrace the Thought Bomb as well as make sure Bane was left out of the final stand. Bane manipulated his enemies into killing one another while he retreated into the shadows to grow stronger.
The Rule of Two really mirrors a particular Asian tradition called Isshi Sōden/Sole Successor. I adore those little hidden gems of the influences Lucas had instead of beating us over the head with them. Lightsaber handles....
The Thought Bomb feels like it's out of Warhammer 40k, it never fails to creep me out. At least the Death Star actually ended you. A Thought Bomb... its a fate worse than death
2:17 Technically that was more of a desperation move that his friend (seemingly the only Nemodian with decency) came up with after a late night skirmish where Bane accidentally killed the group of soldiers that ambushed him. 8:48 Also the man Zannah drive made was her cousin.
Recently read the Darth Bane Trilogy for the first time, I really loved his character development through Path of Destruction. Also I wish we had gotten more New Sith Wars content.
Darth Bane is my favorite sith, he is such a fascinating character that you can’t help but follow his journey even though he is the villain. The Darth bane trilogy will always be one of my favorite books.
After listening to the Darth Bane audiobooks, it makes me wish they would make more based on the Expanded Universe Novels, but they stopped. We can't have nice things.
It is so like geetslys to post several videos relevant to what I’m up to. First you post about Plo Koon and Wolffe while I am currently writing a story about them, then one about grievous, who is the antagonist in my plo Wolffe story, and finally a summary of the Bane trilogy that I recently started rereading. Haha. Love your content so much. Keep it up.
@@geetslysCan you please tell me What was the music you used in this video at 1:00 to 2:50 I hate it when they make it an Easter egg hunt and you still can't find it Because I went to the other channel in the description you gave and still couldn't find it So what is the music in this video if you don't mind Geetslys pls 🙏
Despite learning from Darth Revan's Holocron, he apparently didn't do his full homework to know that Revan returned to the Light and kicked the Dark Side's ass, because you think he would have seen that the Light was stronger because of that, but I guess he thought he would be the first Sith to ever make a plan that could actually let the Dark Side win despite history showing time and time again that it was weaker. I mean the Dark Side did technically win with his way, but it was only for a brief time before it lost again. Makes you wonder what his ghost would have to say about this. Bane: I created a mastful plan so the Sith could rule forever. A plan that took 1000 years. And they only ruled for a little over 20 before they messed up and lost again. I should have looked for immortality sooner so I could have been around to make sure these morons did the job right.
Granted, this would have worked with the assumption that the KotOR duology is itself a simulated series of records with all choices and endings being "real until disproven by future analysis", since all relevant knowledge of that era has been lost to time and have been muddied up by rumors on how it all went down... or better yet, were muddied up by offscreen Multiversal shenanigans that ensured that all outcomes are, in Schrodinger's terms, *canon.*
The dark side isn't weaker, it just works differently. It's origins are beyond the physical universe, unlike the light side which makes up the physical. The dark side was at least equally as powerful, it's weakness was that it's power drew the attention of everyone else uniting them
Bane's problem is that he still wanted the Sith to rule the Galaxy. That was just not sustainable. The Sith really should have just kept to themselves and grown stronger.
At the end of the trilogy, Darth Zannah's hand twitched just as Banes did. This let the possibility that he is not fully gone. A buddy of mine told me you don't provide truly accurate information. I started reading for myself, I guess he is right.
I still think he completely succeeded in partially possessing Darth Zannah, and was then transferring his essences to the likes of Darth Sidious and maybe even Darth Krayt. Besides, Drew Karpyshyn is a bit of a troll, and one whose successive post-Darth Bane Star Wars works are... apocryphal, to say the least.
Kind of sad that the return on investment for the Rule of Two Sith was so poor. Over 1,000 years of hiding in the shadows only to rule for a little over 20 years. Tbh i feel like Gravid proved how flawed it was.
Just to think, there was once a Sith Empire with billions of subjects, a capitol world, emperor, council, military and economy with thousands of Sith warriors. Functioned for thousands of years. Along comes Bane, kills off the Sith save two, hides and manipulates the galaxy in the shadows for a thousand years with a succession of masters and apprentices that culminated in...an effing 20 year rule rife with rebellion and ultimately the destruction of the supposed pinnacle of Sith Lords and the redemption of his apprentice. So Bane screwed up lol
The empire you speak of had already fallen way before Bane’s time. The New Sith Wars was started by Darth Ruin a millenia before Bane. Bane destroyed the Brotherhood of Darkness, who were a collection of dark siders that rejected the title of Darth. The holocron of Darth Revan helped Bane form the Rule of Two.
@@sunixjesterand the dark side itself had no concept of Darth so that's a non issue Bane focused on the jedi, rather than the dark side. And revan would've rejected the rule of two. He never preached anything similar. He believed in two Supreme sith, that would control and maintain the rest to ensure they didn't destroy each other or the galaxy
@@b.johnathanwarriorinagarde7980 except it didn't, it remained stable. It can't be compared to irl societies like Rome. Revans empire was stable, with little to no infighting The only infighting that occurred was Maleks betrayal, which only caused a switch of power that didn't effect the rest of the empire at all
The best part of Bane's story is the irony that just like the old Sith not even he and his apprentice could keep to the Rules that those two established.
The Bane Trilogy are by far my favorite books of the EU. For me, to this day, unmatched in the wieder star wars lore. Genuinely a happy little memory reading those books.
An interesting thing to Remember: Revan Was Not looking to use this Concept to make the Banite Sith. He simply wanted to make sure Sith only trained One Apprentice at a time, as it was the Greatest Weakness of the Sith. Sith often Overestimated themselves, which, rather Ironically, was one of Sidious' Weaknesses as well, though he nearly Neutralized it.
This whole thing about Darth Bane not being a fan of how the Brotherhood of Darkness operated make me wonder what does he think about the Sith Empire founded by Darth Vitiate. After all, this Second Sith Empire is clearly very successful and it coexisted with the Republic for the very long time. Sure, it did become "Empire first, Sith second" eventually. But that is how the Sith Empire is supposed to run! The SIth either needed to adapt if they forged an empire by putting the Empire before the Sith or ceased to be. If they cannot take those two options, then nomadic empire is the only answer because it can rise and fall again and again under different names and banners with no stopping unless there is outside interference coming in to stop this process.
Darth Bane was not destroyed, Zannah inherited his shaky hand, which meant he was within her. I think she was the one who figured out how to use her old master's knowledge to improve upon essence transfer so every time a Sith master was slain, all the spirits of the previous masters of Bane's line would pass into the new Dark Lord.
The rule of two was destined to fail. Even Babe Bane himself didn't stick to it. He would have used essence transfer to live forever if he could. It's unnatural for power hungry narcissists to train someone to eventually kill them and take their place.
Read the Darth Bane trilogy. He only sought out Darth Andeddu’s holocron for essence transfer because he believe Darth Zannah would not be a fit replacement and he knew he didn’t have a lot of time before his own end.
@@sunixjesterI read the novels. They are some of the best in Star Wars. However, I Believe that Bane, through human nature, would want to cling to life and continue the essence transfer for as many generations as he could. The proof is in the fact that his apprentice proved that she was able to defeat him, yet he still attempted to transfer his essence into her body at the end instead of just passing on the mantle.
@@Ben-Ken I disagree, from his attitude in the books I think the essence transfer is more likely something that, if Zannah couldn't overcome, would simply prove she was unworthy. Nothing about his attitude or mindset in the books ever hints that he doubts his belief in the Rule of Two, so to throw in a more human level of doubt right at the very end seems like the wrong interpretation to me, and he seemed to genuinely believe she wasn't worthy, so of course would do everything in his power to test that.
Imagine if Bane was slightly succesful in force essence transfer and his slumbering spirit has been trapped in each new Dark Lord of the Sith over the years
Except what revan wanted and created wasn't the rule of two. Bane modified Revans system heavily. Revan maintained an order of sith, ge believed in two Supreme sith to maintain them and prevent them from infighting. It was closer to the ancient sith species system of rule than the rule of two
After I burnt off my face I got super into the Bane story, Sidious was a wimp next to him even with Maul Vader an Tyranus and he had Zannah who was the hottest sith so ...
THIS would've been a great view Cinematically or even small screen too. An something fresh & non real world BSed so dunno if that'll ever happen. Can even imagine VERY close to real life actors an actresses thats look particularly fitting for the parts. Cant remember if we know Darth Cognis's apprentice after she finally succeeded Zannah but this part of the lore sorely needs filling in as its one of the more obscure but very critical to the whole franchise for the longest time
I'm reading his trilogy right now, and I am enjoying it... however, I'm also writing a fanfic about proving Bane wrong about this rule, and everyone else wrong about the Darkside in general.
I have read the Darth Bane books by Drew Karpyshan many times and I thought they were sick, though Path of Destruction might be my favourite! P.S. Almost all Sith Lords have massive daddy issues.
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The sith are FAR more interesting than the jedi. The jedi are like stilted, vapid shells of people. The sith's embrace of hate makes them more human and more relatable. They have a much more rich and interesting history.
Bane wasnt a mastermind he commited mass genocide on the Sith. There were better ways to do what Bane wanted. He chose the worst possible way to accomplish his goal.
Given the nature of the Sith, what he did was possibly the best way forward for the Sith’s Grand Plan. He acknowledged the longevity of his plan and what it meant.
@sunixjester It really wasn't so much knowledge and manpower was lost. He should have taken over the sith and changed thier laws. He would have a army and Sith trained in the dark side. Bane lost many valuable resources
@@thomaswest2583 they seemed apprehensive towards Bane. It seemed like he would been fighting a two-front war, against Khan and Hoth. And it seemed like he would want a clean slate, to remove any potential in-fighting.
@sunixjester The sith respect power above all. They would have fallen in line. Literally changing the laws of the sith could have stopped the in fighting. Restrict apprentices to one, make sparring only allowed in certain areas punish violations of the law. Change the way a sith becomes a master. All the problems that Bane complains about could have been solved by restructuring sith law, and without genniciding the sith. If he siezed control from Conn and executed him. He would have gained control of the sith armies. Such a wasted opportunity
I want a death bane movie or even cartoon series on Disney plus he deserves some sort of telling in a way other than just those books. Tell a three season story each season cover a book bam amazing story and more people would understand the rule of 2
"The rule of two, a doctrine that changed the sith forever" By making them as obsessed with the jedi as the jedi was with the sith. Putting every resource into defeating the jedi instead of studying and perfecting the force. He didnt save the sith, he just made their death last longer. The brotherhood of darkness had things right, and worked well, until bane subverted it. The rule of two served bane and bane alone, not the sith or the dark side.
If Anakin Skywalker had been trained by Mace Windu and then Reassigned to Obi-Wan After He Lost his Arm Anakin has Darth Bane's Sith Holocron and Truly Mastered, forms 2,3,4,5 and 6 to The Absolute Highest Degree And Takes Bits and pieces from These Lightsaber forms to Into One Single Lightsaber Style.
"The Jedi killed the fake Bane before he could take on an apprentice, and this is how they found out about the rule of two..." How does that make any sense? That's the only thing left unexplained in this video.
Can someone explain why I'm Legends Bane has the cool and weird looking Orbelisk armor but in canon we see him looking like some lame fire samurai? In the Clone Wars I was disappointed and never understood why they went with that design
The clone war Bane was an illusion if I recall correctly. My guess is Disney didnt want to pay royalties to the author, so limit mentions of Bane or anything that could tie him to that author.
Kaans Brotherhood was weak and enfeebled. Jedi merely cooperate and that poses a deep problem. Groups tend to cooperate for the abstract principles propogated by their order. While this has some advantages like providing for the needs of everyone in a similar manner by sharing resources, ensuring survival of its weakest members, and getting everyone to provide towards something that can benefit the group in some way like it's reputation or popularity. The problem is with that is that it assumes everyone has the same needs and wants. And while cooperative grouos share in some distribution of the material gain, this ultimately allows their weakest members to weaken the group, weigh it down with ignorance, laziness, entitlement and arrogance. Competition forces everyone not necessarily always to work together but only sometimes if one another interests align, and the great number of the rewards are given to those that earn it based on merit. Like aptitude and skill. Those who desire more and are ambitious leave a cooperative because hard to determine through group work who gets what or because the philosophical goals are too abstract, so it's not obvious who puts in the most work and who is doing the best. Competition also culls the weak, removes them from the order of things if they prove to be incompetent or just lazy. Someone with alot of weaknesses are ultimately exposed and removed through competitive struggle and challenges. Sith therefore are somewhat ruthless and don't tolerate foolishness or passive and subservient behavior if they cannot directly benefit from it. Sith will prune those who refuse to build themselves up, but on the brighter side they keep their group strong and freed from certain limitations. The pack is potentially only as strong as the wolf, the wolf is potentially only strong as the pack. Thus Sith value the rule of two because power concentrated in one, while the other merely craves it and seeks the strength, the power and the knowledge. As all people wish to have these things. The master is meant to be the gap between the apprentice and his true self. That's what masters, gurus and coaches. Competition thus selects for the most strong/best or the most cunning. The Sith also value power or competence the most. This means that victory is always about potential, spirit or destiny. Cooperation doesn't select for strength and perfection, it breeds mediocrity, contentment and passivity. They also don't create a collective victory as some would think. They share victory is untrue. They breed less envy but envy is what makes one wish to be greater and too provide enough incentive to yearn for the reality where power can be yours. If all are equal, then none are strong as Darth Bane said. But also, if all cooperate then none are ambitious since what earned is only quantitatively because that is only thing that can be proportioned out. Only the most abstract goals can be said to be said to be earned and achieved by the weak like the ignorant lazy, or arrogant. How victory really works is the best get to embody the power so much so that they are given the proper recognition and accolades, whose leadership, spirit, character, and dynamism gets to be the proof that mere abstractions cannot replicate, to provide the widespread rewards or the benefits of the power which is the only way to secure victory. You cannot mimic the rewards of inner control, discipline, sacrifice, duty, devotion, perseverance, determination, and personal ambitions for instance. Cooperation claims to benefit all but really without such tangible Sith benefits it really has no one truly powerful to boast of the merit of one's principles, rules or ideals. These can only be claimed by a true Darth or a Sith lord who has undergone being tried, tested and proven, ie training and challenges. Otherwise, victory has no substance and that all members can win is vapid and a false delusion propagated by the Jedi minded. What power does is increases your wealth, status, influence, and recognition, and power in those ways can be used to secure our interests and aspirations, whether they are false or true. The Jedi are weak because they call for helping others on grounds that they are weak enough to need many resources to be given out to meet their needs, and so with all their needs taken care of this creates total dependency on the Jedi and the state. This is a form of unnatural predation which means the individual who lacked before, will severely be at a disadvantage if those material advantages are suddenly taken away. Leaving them weak and vulnerable is not the point of Jedi teachings or even the point of kindness and compassion, but it is a probable outcome. The Sith believe that the strength, skills, cunning, devotion, discipline, or knowledge are necessary to give one advantage in struggles and for their triumphs, but others who don’t have that strength, skill or cunning are not meant to get passed a certain point of development or achievement of their aspirations. Meaning, if someone of stronger/better comes along they earn through their merits; strength, skills, cunning, devotion, discipline, or knowledge to gain higher status or power if their opponent who doesn’t have the skills to overcome their advantages in the Darwinian struggle for power. The Sith must be able to achieve both power and potential, to that end one must be able to pursue a path of power and to fundamentally see to it that they transform themselves. Master their weaknesses and overcome their conditioning. That is what the title of Darth is supposed to mean. Someone who has transformed themselves, also becoming someone who demands respect and challenges others. And most importantly of all Sith challenge themselves to gain iron like willpower. The Sith like conservatives share something in common in that we believe in strength being built up by working on our passions, by gaining an understanding and realizing our aspirations, we prepare ourselves and those under our guidance to face a harsh world.
You should do more history fact-checking. Darth Bane didn't create the rule of 2. He reinstated it. It was created long before him. Bane himself learned this from studying old text. Seems you didn't read the Bane trilogy books.
I always had a head canon that Bane was successful in his essence transfer with Zahanah, and he just kept transferring his essence till he took over a young Palpatine. Bane is Palpatine.
The bane rule of 2 is what ended the Sith. Yes they Sith finally got full control of the galaxy that lasted about 40 years compared to the Sith of the old republic who ruled large chunks of the galaxy for centuries! Plus the Sith of the old republic where way more powerful than the rule of 2 sith! I understand why bane did what he did because the brotherhood was a pathetic Sith verision of the Jedi ruling structure
Rule of Two is a double edged sword. With constant cycle of master being taken down by the apprentice and the Sith knowledge keeps getting lost every time.
An extremely useful double edged, easily subverted proverbial weapon for the forces of Light though.
It does have that issue, but it also had the built in benefit of ensuring the apprentice always becomes stronger than the master. That is, if it was followed properly, but it rarely was.
Not really lost the Masters if I remember from the Legends books especially Banes books they pass on all they know if they were good( as in good at teaching) Masters, because ultimately if they understood the rule of two, they knew, and wanted their apprentices to eventually kill them, and take over so they would try to teach them everything they knew, but some of them were greedy with their knowledge, and that’s where some knowledge was lost, but not all and not every time
The Sith aren't quite believers in passing on their knowledge to the next generation. No that's more of a Jedi belief.
@@brokenbridge6316it’s what ultimately allowed the sith to win though
The Darth Bane trilogy has always been one of my favorite books to read
I wish Disney did not own Star wars. Can you imagine the great stories from Legends that we could get. Sorry I'm just a fan of the legend stuff more than modern day stuff
@@Harpymoon-c5g I don’t blame you. While there are certain aspects of the current canon I like, I still prefer the Legends version of the Star Wars universe
@@darylsdesigns6679 it's kind of ironic it was this channel that got me into Star wars. Darth nihilus is my favorite character. I've started playing the nights of the Republic recently and I've been enjoying it.
It's better than the crap we get from the House of Mouse these days...
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Darth Bane could have been just a speck of dust on the mining planet he grew up on. Fate had other plans. He was powerful in the force and even though he thought his legacy would fail with Zannah and without him it was more effective the way he originally envisioned it.
His apprentice Darth Zannah is one of my most favorite sith in Star Wars
Zannah was, and remains, THE Greatest of The Sith Ladies. Both a thinker AND a warrior. Not the most powerful, but that..? made her even more dangerous. (And she would have BUTCHERED Sidious - or literally MAKE him kill himself!
Zannah is to the Sith, what Nomi Sunrider was to the Jedi - a take no shit, smokin' hot Powerhouse.
100/100! ✌🏼
Darth Bane has always been my favourite of the Ancient Sith...i love his design, even before the armour....it's like if the revived spirit from The Crow became a Sith, and now that i think about it, coming back from the grave to avenge your death and the brutal death(s)of your love ones is something that the Sith would find very appealing
To me the way i always picture darth bane should talk should be done in a dark hollow whisper much like the hp lovecraft monster nyarlathotep to make it that the darkside of the force is speaking in a living body
Darth Bane was born in the darkness, molded by it. He didn’t see the light until he was already a man and by then it was nothing to him but BLINDING.
Errr... You talking about Darth Bane or Batman's Bane? 😂
I believe their one and the same.
One correction, the Jedi Reinforcements that turned the tide of the Seventh Battle at Ruusan got to the surface because Bane ordered the Sith Fleet to break their blockade of the world. This allowed Lord Farfalla to relieve Lord Hoth right at the moment Kahn was poised to kill him and his last remnants of the Army of Light.
This was done to both bring more Jedi into the potential maelstrom, make the Sith desperate enough to forgo caution and embrace the Thought Bomb as well as make sure Bane was left out of the final stand. Bane manipulated his enemies into killing one another while he retreated into the shadows to grow stronger.
The Rule of Two really mirrors a particular Asian tradition called Isshi Sōden/Sole Successor. I adore those little hidden gems of the influences Lucas had instead of beating us over the head with them.
Lightsaber handles....
The Thought Bomb feels like it's out of Warhammer 40k, it never fails to creep me out. At least the Death Star actually ended you. A Thought Bomb... its a fate worse than death
Legends has some pretty terrifying stuff. The thought bomb is scary but I’d argue being consumed by abeloth is even worse
2:17 Technically that was more of a desperation move that his friend (seemingly the only Nemodian with decency) came up with after a late night skirmish where Bane accidentally killed the group of soldiers that ambushed him.
8:48 Also the man Zannah drive made was her cousin.
Bane's story would make an incredible series of movies and\or live action series.
It would.... just not by disney
Recently read the Darth Bane Trilogy for the first time, I really loved his character development through Path of Destruction. Also I wish we had gotten more New Sith Wars content.
Best Star Wars books in existence. I hope they keep his canon story similar to his Legends one.
Darth Bane is my favorite sith, he is such a fascinating character that you can’t help but follow his journey even though he is the villain. The Darth bane trilogy will always be one of my favorite books.
After listening to the Darth Bane audiobooks, it makes me wish they would make more based on the Expanded Universe Novels, but they stopped. We can't have nice things.
It is so like geetslys to post several videos relevant to what I’m up to. First you post about Plo Koon and Wolffe while I am currently writing a story about them, then one about grievous, who is the antagonist in my plo Wolffe story, and finally a summary of the Bane trilogy that I recently started rereading. Haha. Love your content so much. Keep it up.
We *definitely* can't read your mind, we promise...
@@geetslysCan you please tell me
What was the music you used in this video at 1:00 to 2:50
I hate it when they make it an Easter egg hunt and you still can't find it
Because I went to the other channel in the description you gave and still couldn't find it
So what is the music in this video if you don't mind
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Darth Bane: *Disappointed his apprentice won't try to kill him
Apprentice: *Tries to kill Darth Bane
Darth Bane: *Surprised Pikachu face
8:40 thanks for using my art piece in your video! Very well written and any attention brought to Darth Bane is a good thing.
Rule of Two in a nutshell:
Darth Bane: Prepare for trouble!
Darth Zannah: And make it double!
I think I see where this is going 😂😂
Despite learning from Darth Revan's Holocron, he apparently didn't do his full homework to know that Revan returned to the Light and kicked the Dark Side's ass, because you think he would have seen that the Light was stronger because of that, but I guess he thought he would be the first Sith to ever make a plan that could actually let the Dark Side win despite history showing time and time again that it was weaker. I mean the Dark Side did technically win with his way, but it was only for a brief time before it lost again. Makes you wonder what his ghost would have to say about this.
Bane: I created a mastful plan so the Sith could rule forever. A plan that took 1000 years. And they only ruled for a little over 20 before they messed up and lost again. I should have looked for immortality sooner so I could have been around to make sure these morons did the job right.
Granted, this would have worked with the assumption that the KotOR duology is itself a simulated series of records with all choices and endings being "real until disproven by future analysis", since all relevant knowledge of that era has been lost to time and have been muddied up by rumors on how it all went down... or better yet, were muddied up by offscreen Multiversal shenanigans that ensured that all outcomes are, in Schrodinger's terms, *canon.*
The dark side isn't weaker, it just works differently. It's origins are beyond the physical universe, unlike the light side which makes up the physical.
The dark side was at least equally as powerful, it's weakness was that it's power drew the attention of everyone else uniting them
Bane's problem is that he still wanted the Sith to rule the Galaxy. That was just not sustainable. The Sith really should have just kept to themselves and grown stronger.
At the end of the trilogy, Darth Zannah's hand twitched just as Banes did. This let the possibility that he is not fully gone. A buddy of mine told me you don't provide truly accurate information. I started reading for myself, I guess he is right.
Darth Bane has always interested me as a pivotal point in the Sith evolution so it was nice to learn more detail.
I still think he completely succeeded in partially possessing Darth Zannah, and was then transferring his essences to the likes of Darth Sidious and maybe even Darth Krayt. Besides, Drew Karpyshyn is a bit of a troll, and one whose successive post-Darth Bane Star Wars works are... apocryphal, to say the least.
Bane certainly managed to embed some of his knowledge into Zannah.
That would be cool
Kind of sad that the return on investment for the Rule of Two Sith was so poor. Over 1,000 years of hiding in the shadows only to rule for a little over 20 years. Tbh i feel like Gravid proved how flawed it was.
Just to think, there was once a Sith Empire with billions of subjects, a capitol world, emperor, council, military and economy with thousands of Sith warriors. Functioned for thousands of years. Along comes Bane, kills off the Sith save two, hides and manipulates the galaxy in the shadows for a thousand years with a succession of masters and apprentices that culminated in...an effing 20 year rule rife with rebellion and ultimately the destruction of the supposed pinnacle of Sith Lords and the redemption of his apprentice. So Bane screwed up lol
The empire you speak of had already fallen way before Bane’s time. The New Sith Wars was started by Darth Ruin a millenia before Bane. Bane destroyed the Brotherhood of Darkness, who were a collection of dark siders that rejected the title of Darth. The holocron of Darth Revan helped Bane form the Rule of Two.
@@sunixjesterand the dark side itself had no concept of Darth so that's a non issue
Bane focused on the jedi, rather than the dark side.
And revan would've rejected the rule of two. He never preached anything similar.
He believed in two Supreme sith, that would control and maintain the rest to ensure they didn't destroy each other or the galaxy
@@gurun8071Two vice emperors like Rome. That would cause division and in-fighting but there would be plenty of Sith at least.
@@b.johnathanwarriorinagarde7980 except it didn't, it remained stable. It can't be compared to irl societies like Rome.
Revans empire was stable, with little to no infighting
The only infighting that occurred was Maleks betrayal, which only caused a switch of power that didn't effect the rest of the empire at all
I mean, is that not the most Sith thing of all time?
The best part of Bane's story is the irony that just like the old Sith not even he and his apprentice could keep to the Rules that those two established.
This video just made me love Darth Bane even more!
The Bane Trilogy are by far my favorite books of the EU. For me, to this day, unmatched in the wieder star wars lore.
Genuinely a happy little memory reading those books.
Darth Bane is the second greatest sith Lord ever.
Hey Geestly’s, Do you plan to make a complete story video about Legends Luke Skywalker after Return of the Jedi soon?
FINALLLY!!! After it seems months of asking! Thank you Geetslys for the amazing video! My favorite, The Sith’ari!🔥
An interesting thing to Remember: Revan Was Not looking to use this Concept to make the Banite Sith. He simply wanted to make sure Sith only trained One Apprentice at a time, as it was the Greatest Weakness of the Sith. Sith often Overestimated themselves, which, rather Ironically, was one of Sidious' Weaknesses as well, though he nearly Neutralized it.
About time you did a video on Darth Bane. I hope you do Darth Malgus next!
Loving these videos, keep up the great work! 👍
Best intro iver ever seen.
This whole thing about Darth Bane not being a fan of how the Brotherhood of Darkness operated make me wonder what does he think about the Sith Empire founded by Darth Vitiate. After all, this Second Sith Empire is clearly very successful and it coexisted with the Republic for the very long time. Sure, it did become "Empire first, Sith second" eventually. But that is how the Sith Empire is supposed to run! The SIth either needed to adapt if they forged an empire by putting the Empire before the Sith or ceased to be. If they cannot take those two options, then nomadic empire is the only answer because it can rise and fall again and again under different names and banners with no stopping unless there is outside interference coming in to stop this process.
He might see it a little differently considering the power gap between vitiate and the sith directly below him was vast
@@jakealter5504 And how do you think he will see it?
@@lerneanlion less flawed than the brotherhood of darkness but not perfect
@@jakealter5504 Well, perfection is never really a thing anyway.
@@lerneanlion agreed
"Insect Drip" I love the descriptions of these videos so much
edit: but for real though its disturbing but still...pretty cool.
Awesomely explained, read all 3 books and I wouldn’t be able to tell Bane’s story like this
Darth Bane was not destroyed, Zannah inherited his shaky hand, which meant he was within her. I think she was the one who figured out how to use her old master's knowledge to improve upon essence transfer so every time a Sith master was slain, all the spirits of the previous masters of Bane's line would pass into the new Dark Lord.
The rule of two was destined to fail. Even Babe Bane himself didn't stick to it. He would have used essence transfer to live forever if he could. It's unnatural for power hungry narcissists to train someone to eventually kill them and take their place.
Read the Darth Bane trilogy. He only sought out Darth Andeddu’s holocron for essence transfer because he believe Darth Zannah would not be a fit replacement and he knew he didn’t have a lot of time before his own end.
@@sunixjesterI read the novels. They are some of the best in Star Wars. However, I Believe that Bane, through human nature, would want to cling to life and continue the essence transfer for as many generations as he could. The proof is in the fact that his apprentice proved that she was able to defeat him, yet he still attempted to transfer his essence into her body at the end instead of just passing on the mantle.
@@Ben-Ken I disagree, from his attitude in the books I think the essence transfer is more likely something that, if Zannah couldn't overcome, would simply prove she was unworthy. Nothing about his attitude or mindset in the books ever hints that he doubts his belief in the Rule of Two, so to throw in a more human level of doubt right at the very end seems like the wrong interpretation to me, and he seemed to genuinely believe she wasn't worthy, so of course would do everything in his power to test that.
I’ve read all three books of Darth bane, they are amazing. I think that he has survived on some level through essence transfer.
Imagine if Bane was slightly succesful in force essence transfer and his slumbering spirit has been trapped in each new Dark Lord of the Sith over the years
The rule of two was unbelievably dumb one training accident or one bad hyperspace jump and the sith are gone for good
The true Master of the Rule of Two was Darth Revan Darth Bane I’m sure you know I was the first to implement it. For those who didn’t knoe
Oh good, you read the Darth Bane trilogy too. Three comments and I was wanting to scream.
Except what revan wanted and created wasn't the rule of two. Bane modified Revans system heavily.
Revan maintained an order of sith, ge believed in two Supreme sith to maintain them and prevent them from infighting.
It was closer to the ancient sith species system of rule than the rule of two
Awesome episode.
Maybe we can one day see a video like this one on Darth Bane's successor. Darth Zahanna.
After I burnt off my face I got super into the Bane story, Sidious was a wimp next to him even with Maul Vader an Tyranus and he had Zannah who was the hottest sith so ...
THIS would've been a great view Cinematically or even small screen too. An something fresh & non real world BSed so dunno if that'll ever happen. Can even imagine VERY close to real life actors an actresses thats look particularly fitting for the parts. Cant remember if we know Darth Cognis's apprentice after she finally succeeded Zannah but this part of the lore sorely needs filling in as its one of the more obscure but very critical to the whole franchise for the longest time
I read the book, but I would love to see a movie about him, and the rule of the Sith
I'm reading his trilogy right now, and I am enjoying it... however, I'm also writing a fanfic about proving Bane wrong about this rule, and everyone else wrong about the Darkside in general.
I have read the Darth Bane books by Drew Karpyshan many times and I thought they were sick, though Path of Destruction might be my favourite!
P.S. Almost all Sith Lords have massive daddy issues.
We really only know of 3 sith that had daddy issues, all three of them became very important Sith Lords (Vitiate, Bane, and Sidious)
Can you please tell me
What was the music you used in this video at 1:00 to 2:50
I hate it when they make it an Easter egg hunt and you still can't find it
So what is the music in this video if you don't mind
Geetsly pls 🙏
Credit due to Darth bane for creating what is probably the best version of a Sith order
FYI, Bane started working the mines when he was thirteen not sixteen.
This is Canon for me! I love the Darth Bane Trilogy! I am listening to it again right now!
Darth Bane is canon since he was included in Clone Wars season 6.
The sith are FAR more interesting than the jedi. The jedi are like stilted, vapid shells of people. The sith's embrace of hate makes them more human and more relatable. They have a much more rich and interesting history.
Bane wasnt a mastermind he commited mass genocide on the Sith. There were better ways to do what Bane wanted. He chose the worst possible way to accomplish his goal.
Given the nature of the Sith, what he did was possibly the best way forward for the Sith’s Grand Plan. He acknowledged the longevity of his plan and what it meant.
@sunixjester It really wasn't so much knowledge and manpower was lost. He should have taken over the sith and changed thier laws. He would have a army and Sith trained in the dark side. Bane lost many valuable resources
@@thomaswest2583 they seemed apprehensive towards Bane. It seemed like he would been fighting a two-front war, against Khan and Hoth. And it seemed like he would want a clean slate, to remove any potential in-fighting.
@sunixjester The sith respect power above all. They would have fallen in line. Literally changing the laws of the sith could have stopped the in fighting. Restrict apprentices to one, make sparring only allowed in certain areas punish violations of the law. Change the way a sith becomes a master. All the problems that Bane complains about could have been solved by restructuring sith law, and without genniciding the sith. If he siezed control from Conn and executed him. He would have gained control of the sith armies. Such a wasted opportunity
@sunixjester I think it's Conn not Khan if I'm wrong I apologize. But I could've sworn it was spelled Conn.
Tbh I always thought the rule of 2 was dumb I feel like legions of sith would get the job done
Bane's father deserved it. He created this monster and paid for it in the end.
I want a death bane movie or even cartoon series on Disney plus he deserves some sort of telling in a way other than just those books. Tell a three season story each season cover a book bam amazing story and more people would understand the rule of 2
12 minutes and 15 seconds is insulting the Darth Bane...... But i love your content!!! Keep up the good work!!!
"The rule of two, a doctrine that changed the sith forever"
By making them as obsessed with the jedi as the jedi was with the sith. Putting every resource into defeating the jedi instead of studying and perfecting the force.
He didnt save the sith, he just made their death last longer.
The brotherhood of darkness had things right, and worked well, until bane subverted it.
The rule of two served bane and bane alone, not the sith or the dark side.
If Anakin Skywalker had been trained by Mace Windu and then Reassigned to Obi-Wan After He Lost his Arm Anakin has Darth Bane's Sith Holocron and Truly Mastered, forms 2,3,4,5 and 6 to The Absolute Highest Degree And Takes Bits and pieces from These Lightsaber forms to Into One Single Lightsaber Style.
He invented the rule of two as an excuse for why he didn't have any friends.
Darth Bane is my favorite character in Star Wars
7:10 SWGOH MENTIONED WTF IS A BAD CONQUEST UNIT (dont say boba fett or trench)
Babe is fascinating, a very interesting character.
Spelled Lord Kopecz, pronounced ko- PESH
I like Darth Bane he's my favorite among the Sith
Darth Bane, the last of the Old Sith, the first of the Rule of Two Sith. Palpatine, the Sith'ari, would be nothing without him.
"The Jedi killed the fake Bane before he could take on an apprentice, and this is how they found out about the rule of two..." How does that make any sense? That's the only thing left unexplained in this video.
Can someone explain why I'm Legends Bane has the cool and weird looking Orbelisk armor but in canon we see him looking like some lame fire samurai? In the Clone Wars I was disappointed and never understood why they went with that design
The clone war Bane was an illusion if I recall correctly. My guess is Disney didnt want to pay royalties to the author, so limit mentions of Bane or anything that could tie him to that author.
RULE OF TWO IS PERFECT,GET STRONGER OR.......... DIE IT THAT SIMPLE. NEVER GET COMPLACENT
Kaans Brotherhood was weak and enfeebled. Jedi merely cooperate and that poses a deep problem. Groups tend to cooperate for the abstract principles propogated by their order. While this has some advantages like providing for the needs of everyone in a similar manner by sharing resources, ensuring survival of its weakest members, and getting everyone to provide towards something that can benefit the group in some way like it's reputation or popularity. The problem is with that is that it assumes everyone has the same needs and wants. And while cooperative grouos share in some distribution of the material gain, this ultimately allows their weakest members to weaken the group, weigh it down with ignorance, laziness, entitlement and arrogance. Competition forces everyone not necessarily always to work together but only sometimes if one another interests align, and the great number of the rewards are given to those that earn it based on merit. Like aptitude and skill. Those who desire more and are ambitious leave a cooperative because hard to determine through group work who gets what or because the philosophical goals are too abstract, so it's not obvious who puts in the most work and who is doing the best. Competition also culls the weak, removes them from the order of things if they prove to be incompetent or just lazy. Someone with alot of weaknesses are ultimately exposed and removed through competitive struggle and challenges.
Sith therefore are somewhat ruthless and don't tolerate foolishness or passive and subservient behavior if they cannot directly benefit from it. Sith will prune those who refuse to build themselves up, but on the brighter side they keep their group strong and freed from certain limitations. The pack is potentially only as strong as the wolf, the wolf is potentially only strong as the pack. Thus Sith value the rule of two because power concentrated in one, while the other merely craves it and seeks the strength, the power and the knowledge. As all people wish to have these things. The master is meant to be the gap between the apprentice and his true self. That's what masters, gurus and coaches.
Competition thus selects for the most strong/best or the most cunning. The Sith also value power or competence the most. This means that victory is always about potential, spirit or destiny. Cooperation doesn't select for strength and perfection, it breeds mediocrity, contentment and passivity. They also don't create a collective victory as some would think. They share victory is untrue. They breed less envy but envy is what makes one wish to be greater and too provide enough incentive to yearn for the reality where power can be yours. If all are equal, then none are strong as Darth Bane said. But also, if all cooperate then none are ambitious since what earned is only quantitatively because that is only thing that can be proportioned out. Only the most abstract goals can be said to be said to be earned and achieved by the weak like the ignorant lazy, or arrogant.
How victory really works is the best get to embody the power so much so that they are given the proper recognition and accolades, whose leadership, spirit, character, and dynamism gets to be the proof that mere abstractions cannot replicate, to provide the widespread rewards or the benefits of the power which is the only way to secure victory. You cannot mimic the rewards of inner control, discipline, sacrifice, duty, devotion, perseverance, determination, and personal ambitions for instance. Cooperation claims to benefit all but really without such tangible Sith benefits it really has no one truly powerful to boast of the merit of one's principles, rules or ideals. These can only be claimed by a true Darth or a Sith lord who has undergone being tried, tested and proven, ie training and challenges. Otherwise, victory has no substance and that all members can win is vapid and a false delusion propagated by the Jedi minded. What power does is increases your wealth, status, influence, and recognition, and power in those ways can be used to secure our interests and aspirations, whether they are false or true.
The Jedi are weak because they call for helping others on grounds that they are weak enough to need many resources to be given out to meet their needs, and so with all their needs taken care of this creates total dependency on the Jedi and the state. This is a form of unnatural predation which means the individual who lacked before, will severely be at a disadvantage if those material advantages are suddenly taken away. Leaving them weak and vulnerable is not the point of Jedi teachings or even the point of kindness and compassion, but it is a probable outcome.
The Sith believe that the strength, skills, cunning, devotion, discipline, or knowledge are necessary to give one advantage in struggles and for their triumphs, but others who don’t have that strength, skill or cunning are not meant to get passed a certain point of development or achievement of their aspirations. Meaning, if someone of stronger/better comes along they earn through their merits; strength, skills, cunning, devotion, discipline, or knowledge to gain higher status or power if their opponent who doesn’t have the skills to overcome their advantages in the Darwinian struggle for power.
The Sith must be able to achieve both power and potential, to that end one must be able to pursue a path of power and to fundamentally see to it that they transform themselves. Master their weaknesses and overcome their conditioning. That is what the title of Darth is supposed to mean. Someone who has transformed themselves, also becoming someone who demands respect and challenges others. And most importantly of all Sith challenge themselves to gain iron like willpower. The Sith like conservatives share something in common in that we believe in strength being built up by working on our passions, by gaining an understanding and realizing our aspirations, we prepare ourselves and those under our guidance to face a harsh world.
He had to leave his home world because he killed a republic soldier, not cause he was tired of working off his father's debt
And the other man Zana drove mad was her own long lost brother
You should do more history fact-checking. Darth Bane didn't create the rule of 2. He reinstated it. It was created long before him. Bane himself learned this from studying old text. Seems you didn't read the Bane trilogy books.
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Sith lore is So much better than the boring Jedi
Darth Based
I so wish Lucasfilm would turn these novels into a series or movie
I always had a head canon that Bane was successful in his essence transfer with Zahanah, and he just kept transferring his essence till he took over a young Palpatine. Bane is Palpatine.
A lot of right information, and a lot of wrong information in this video.
The bane rule of 2 is what ended the Sith. Yes they Sith finally got full control of the galaxy that lasted about 40 years compared to the Sith of the old republic who ruled large chunks of the galaxy for centuries! Plus the Sith of the old republic where way more powerful than the rule of 2 sith! I understand why bane did what he did because the brotherhood was a pathetic Sith verision of the Jedi ruling structure
Where does it say that the ancient sith are more powerful than the rule of two sith.