I sent N T Wright’s Loving to Know to the organizers at Savannah Symposium begging them to get him and Tom Holland on a panel with Jordan Peterson who is already going to be there. They said it was an interesting idea, so Im hoping...BTW, Paul, I feel sorry for anyone who tunes into your channel for five or 10 minutes and doesn’t stay for the whole thing, because there are so many buried treasures in every conversation, and this one is no exception.
You can look up the Symposium to see the current lineup of speakers. I just wrote the organizers and asked them to think about adding Wright and Holland.
54:08 I agree the Cross as jewelry is often worn unthinkingly by people, and I was confronted by a Charismatic decades ago who made the electric chair comparison. My response then, as now, is to affirm that the Cross is the symbol of Christ's victory. It is the vexilla regis, the banner of the King. It is, to quote another ancient hymn, the Victor's trophy. So, rather than raise the doubt about the appropriateness of wearing an instrument of execution, we may encourage people to wear it as the symbol of our celebration of the Saviour's victory.
Os Guinness's image of the severed flowers is a powerful one as regards the sustainability of a society that is quickly wrenching itself from the foundation that made it possible in the first place.
Finding depth and meaning everywhere takes knowledge, experience, openness and the right diving equipment!! As a shallow end swimmer I can only look at the deep sea divers with envy!
"the academy isn't necessarily for the Church" seems to be an understatement. From the, admittedly, little I know of the modern academy, it seems to me that it has made too many concessions to worldly philosophies and attempts to adapt Christianity to them, rather than transforming thinking through the Christian revelation. I do not refer to the "parsing out of individual Greek and Hebrew words" in commentaries (for me that is an essential contribution), but to the prominence given to atheistic philosophers, in the supposed search for relevance. They should be studied with a view to answering them, not largely conforming to them.
I’ve got the Tom Holland book on my pile. But despite being retired I find myself still pretty busy. Soon! I have read a lot of history, and have reflected on how much Christianity changed history at times. I’ve given the science vs religion thing a lot of thought. Re: India. I think the Christians influenced the Ahmadiyya sect, not in its beliefs but the way it works. They’ve rejected violent jihad and they go about the world looking for converts in a way that reminds me of 19th century missionaries.
Great conversation. I agree that Dominion tails of towards the end. But a very powerful read. I have been through it twice and will be revisiting. Certainly a book to add to the list of recommendations for someone thinking about Christianity.
I like Eric's thoughts on Tom Holland. I will just say Tom has been "embedding" in a church for a while already, as in attending, communing, etc. (Whether or not he should be communing... is another question of course, but this is the CofE we're talking about here.)
I became Cofe when I was 18 .Normally in the CofE you have to be Baptised and done your confirmation course before you can do communion , Baptism is the minimum needed I believe.
I don't know if you will understand what I mean by this because I don't fully know but I have great admiration for pastors and Christians that LIVE in this world, and with a seriousness that doesn't detract from the joy and wonder but compliments and strengthens those things. And how did you allow him to read a Tom Holland book before you? For shame, Paul. "Your practices drive your beliefs". Hmmmmm....
I am saving up to try out some of the Ancient Christian Commentary volumes published by IVP recently. However, if you search a particular Church Father name, you can perhaps find some stuff on the internet. Christian Classics Ethereal Library (Calvin College) has some of the works of Fathers online. I have a little volume of Venerable Bede on Genesis, and he uses much of St Augustine's commentary (Liverpool University Press). I think I have come across St Augustine's Commentary on the Psalms available in print. The Orthodox Study Bible (Thomas Nelson) has some footnotes referring to comments by Fathers.
p.s. try Internet Archive, too. For example, there are translations by the great Anglican E.B. Pusey of commentaries by Fathers, such as St Gregory the Great on the Book of Job. "Library of Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church". Happy searching.
I sent N T Wright’s Loving to Know to the organizers at Savannah Symposium begging them to get him and Tom Holland on a panel with Jordan Peterson who is already going to be there. They said it was an interesting idea, so Im hoping...BTW, Paul, I feel sorry for anyone who tunes into your channel for five or 10 minutes and doesn’t stay for the whole thing, because there are so many buried treasures in every conversation, and this one is no exception.
Starting slow is a way of refining the audience and building the community. :)
LOL. My comment was in no way a dig on the quality of the first ten minutes, just on the quality of people’s attention spans:-)
What a line-up that would be. Who organizes that?
You can look up the Symposium to see the current lineup of speakers. I just wrote the organizers and asked them to think about adding Wright and Holland.
54:08 I agree the Cross as jewelry is often worn unthinkingly by people, and I was confronted by a Charismatic decades ago who made the electric chair comparison. My response then, as now, is to affirm that the Cross is the symbol of Christ's victory. It is the vexilla regis, the banner of the King. It is, to quote another ancient hymn, the Victor's trophy. So, rather than raise the doubt about the appropriateness of wearing an instrument of execution, we may encourage people to wear it as the symbol of our celebration of the Saviour's victory.
Os Guinness's image of the severed flowers is a powerful one as regards the sustainability of a society that is quickly wrenching itself from the foundation that made it possible in the first place.
Wow, I didn’t even get a notification until 20 seconds ago.
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I was cheated too.
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Thanks Eric and Paul.
Paul please interview Tom Holland! I'm sure he'd come on your channel.
Finding depth and meaning everywhere takes knowledge, experience, openness and the right diving equipment!! As a shallow end swimmer I can only look at the deep sea divers with envy!
"the academy isn't necessarily for the Church" seems to be an understatement. From the, admittedly, little I know of the modern academy, it seems to me that it has made too many concessions to worldly philosophies and attempts to adapt Christianity to them, rather than transforming thinking through the Christian revelation. I do not refer to the "parsing out of individual Greek and Hebrew words" in commentaries (for me that is an essential contribution), but to the prominence given to atheistic philosophers, in the supposed search for relevance. They should be studied with a view to answering them, not largely conforming to them.
I’ve got the Tom Holland book on my pile. But despite being retired I find myself still pretty busy. Soon! I have read a lot of history, and have reflected on how much Christianity changed history at times. I’ve given the science vs religion thing a lot of thought.
Re: India. I think the Christians influenced the Ahmadiyya sect, not in its beliefs but the way it works. They’ve rejected violent jihad and they go about the world looking for converts in a way that reminds me of 19th century missionaries.
Great conversation.
I agree that Dominion tails of towards the end. But a very powerful read. I have been through it twice and will be revisiting.
Certainly a book to add to the list of recommendations for someone thinking about Christianity.
I like Eric's thoughts on Tom Holland. I will just say Tom has been "embedding" in a church for a while already, as in attending, communing, etc. (Whether or not he should be communing... is another question of course, but this is the CofE we're talking about here.)
I became Cofe when I was 18 .Normally in the CofE you have to be Baptised and done your confirmation course before you can do communion , Baptism is the minimum needed I believe.
Good stuff
"Our family mantra is F it." Ha! Ha! I like this Eric guy.
Here for the background. Swearing is also a practice which shapes you ;)
I would love to speak to Tom sometime. I assume I can find his contact on his site?
He's very active on Twitter. That's how I made contact with him. That or through his publisher.
I don't know if you will understand what I mean by this because I don't fully know but I have great admiration for pastors and Christians that LIVE in this world, and with a seriousness that doesn't detract from the joy and wonder but compliments and strengthens those things.
And how did you allow him to read a Tom Holland book before you? For shame, Paul.
"Your practices drive your beliefs". Hmmmmm....
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What are some good Patristic commentaries?
There's a whole series that I often use www.amazon.com/Mark-Ancient-Christian-Commentary-Scripture/dp/0830814183
I am saving up to try out some of the Ancient Christian Commentary volumes published by IVP recently. However, if you search a particular Church Father name, you can perhaps find some stuff on the internet. Christian Classics Ethereal Library (Calvin College) has some of the works of Fathers online. I have a little volume of Venerable Bede on Genesis, and he uses much of St Augustine's commentary (Liverpool University Press). I think I have come across St Augustine's Commentary on the Psalms available in print. The Orthodox Study Bible (Thomas Nelson) has some footnotes referring to comments by Fathers.
p.s. try Internet Archive, too. For example, there are translations by the great Anglican E.B. Pusey of commentaries by Fathers, such as St Gregory the Great on the Book of Job. "Library of Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church". Happy searching.
I wonder if Steven Pinker would read Dominion?
He should, but it might go like Tom Holland's convo in Unbelievable with that other skeptical historian.
Anxious inner Catholic?
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