Peter Thiel on Political Theology | Conversations with Tyler
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2024
- In this conversation recorded live in Miami, Tyler and Peter Thiel dive deep into the complexities of political theology, including why it’s a concept we still need today, why Peter’s against Calvinism (and rationalism), whether the Old Testament should lead us to be woke, why Carl Schmitt is enjoying a resurgence, whether we’re entering a new age of millenarian thought, the one existential risk Peter thinks we’re overlooking, why everyone just muddling through leads to disaster, the role of the katechon, the political vision in Shakespeare, how AI will affect the influence of wordcels, Straussian messages in the Bible, what worries Peter about Miami, and more.
Recorded February 21st, 2024
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I like Peter Thiel… I feel like he questions everything and that is really important.
Hey Peter! I’m religious and I think you are a good person. I do agree with you questioning the bible as I feel like the bible has been tampered with.
peter on thumbnail. im in
It's nice to hear Peter's latest ideas and perspective.
9:00 14:47 16:59 19:58 35:28 49:15 53:35 56:55 1:01:02 1:03:56 1:15:18 1:16:26 1:19:28
Peter Thiel is a bona fide polymath! :)
Great discussion!
No (direct) questions about aging tech?
"I remain committed to the faith of my teenage years: to authentic human freedom as a precondition for the highest good. I stand against confiscatory taxes, totalitarian collectives, and the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual. "
Peter Thiel, 2007 The Education of a Libertarian
Whoah! Where did this come from. This just made my day
Chapters (Powered by ChapterMe) -
00:00 - Hello, Peter and Teller
00:06 - Political theologys importance in modern society
04:51 - Calvinism scapegoats God for mistakes
06:40 - Libertarianisms middle ground Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox, Lutherans
08:17 - Orthodox Christian views on Gods continuity with progressives
12:02 - Bronze Age pervert alternative, victimhood, Christian inspiration
17:02 - Powerful political division explains Berlin Wall collapse
20:03 - Predicting liberalisms collapse in Weimar, West Germany
23:11 - Millenarianism and apocalyptic fears
26:33 - Eschatological fear of oneworld totalitarian government
30:03 - US becoming more federalistic, authoritarian, chaotic
31:18 - Peace and safety over global chaos
36:05 - Muddling through Antiintellectual distrust, distrust in human agency
37:08 - Catacomb mysterious force that restrains oneworld state
41:06 - Lutheranisms emphasis on human agency
44:06 - Shakespeares characters differing worldviews
46:54 - Shakespearean Brutuss role in Julius Caesars conspiracy
49:13 - AIs impact on society, Silicon Valleys failure
50:07 - Predicting AIs impact on math
53:23 - Questions about AIs impact on society
56:53 - Personalities hedgehog, fox, and crypto
59:46 - Physicist Nick Bostrom explains why he supports longworld government
01:01:39 - Straussian messages in political theology
01:05:08 - Star Treks centralized future
01:07:48 - Utility in postmodern world
01:08:11 - Lincolns political religion and personal history
01:09:11 - Competitive track and field led to Stanford success
01:09:23 - New York Citys top law firm Everybody wanted in
01:09:35 - Struggling with medic crisis, scaling Teal Fellowship
01:12:44 - Machiavellian influence in Silicon Valley
01:13:26 - Walmarts antiunion tactics in the 2000s
01:17:36 - AIs centralization and stagnation
01:21:09 - Future doubling down on AI
01:21:22 - Silicon Valleys role in world order
01:23:48 - Miamis local governance needs improvement
01:24:09 - Miamis Georgist Real Estate
01:25:16 - AIs role in politics and theology
01:26:57 - What is the model generated?
You are a hero
Excellent video, ties back in the foundational principle that you want to be consciously consistently criticising your established perception of yourself
How did no one ask Peter's opinion on the public debt bubble (and money printing)? He even explicitly linked the US in the 2020s to the Weimar Republic in the 1920s!
Loved his point on the inversions of the new and old testament.
Also the idea of being a greater victim than Christ being impossible is grand.
I understood half of it, where can I learn more?
Great discussion and questions!
That part when Peter recited TULIP ❤
Again, why am I always surprised by Thiel? He’s a bit of an enigma.
Wrapped in a sensual, sensual body
In this world of ideologically motivated masses, he appears heterodox. I suspect more of us are similarly circumspect and wise if not as intelligent. It’s just not a behavior directly rewarded by our contemporary systems.
Spartan dress. Peter's neck is very sculptable.
@gregb954 🤞
@gregb954yeah he doesn't look particularly healthy
Pretty gay dude
He's probably got aids
It looks ugly , not sculptable
They should have pressed him on automations effects on the working class.
His answer to the question at 10:07 was unexpected!
11:59 BAP Yarvin Hazony connection very relevant
peter is the closest thing we have to niccolò machiavelli in these times. Always a pleasure to hear from him
Has anyone found the essay he is talking about at 29:50 on AI risk?
1:21:46
"delve", Paul Graham isn't happy.
Ozempic working nicely
"optimistic boomer libertarian like you" only real miladys felt this one
Zero to One - fantastic!!!!
Peter Thiel
Secular christianity
There is this dualism in Peter, "fight" on one side against world control/existential risks relating to "one partysms"/control AND investments in Palantir enable control/collection of data that facilitate the existential risks he is "fighting".
while I appreciate his philosophical insights, I dislike the companies he invests in
It makes sense if you want to win. You bet on both sides.
He’s a hypocrite, it’s quite simple.
feter Phram haha stark
@@juanvaladez5703 Contrarian or contradictory would be a more neutral term
39:00 - Mistaking Properties for Features- he will make the same mistake… too smart to not know.
In which Thiel reinvents himself as a Biblical scholar
Still FAR more fact filled than your empty comment....
Max Azzarello send anyone else here?
not just you lol
Catacon? did I get that right?
*Katechon
If you close your eyes, his voice sounds like Mark Zuckerberg...how come all Silicon Valley entrepreneurs talk the same way? It's like they're the same AI programmed software installed in different robots
Thetan Speil - Ameropath
are the prostitute and bank robber equivalent? re: 1:15 ish...because from a libertarian perspective (like Thiels) isn't the prostitute morally superior to the bank robber? unless he was talking about it from Rosa Luxembourg's pov...
As much as Thiel is an anti-communist, I am an anti-libertarian/anti-liberal. However, even though I essentially disagree on probably most everything, I'm quite struck at how much more of an intellectual Thiel is in comparison to his billionaire contemporaries. At minimum, I appreciate his thoroughness and depth in intellectual pursuits and that at least inspires me to take my own intellectual pursuits more seriously so as to be able to have even more profound and well versed counter-logic to his what I believe to be heinous and evil conception of humanity, liberalism, and the "meaning" of life.
Crazy how he isn’t just a strawman based on your preconceived notions of what libertarianism means. The state is the enemy of freedom, it is the vehicle through which the criminals called “the elite” maintain their status on control on those lower than them century by century. Capitalism is a threat to their control because innovation and entrepreneurship create competition, societal change, quality of life standards (and expectations), and independence from government control. Please read the road to serfdom, they have blinded us with lies and comfort while they build a cage to trap us in
Interesting!
I’m curious, what are you pro?
@@nickmcg721 universalist emancipation/socialism/little "c" communism. Effectively anti-individualism, anti-capitalism, but open to the orthodox Marxist view of a sublimated liberal-market economy. So in short, an inversion of Thiel's ideal world.
@@nickmcg721 dang I responded this morning, but it doesn't seem it worked? Bummer. In short: socialism, or what I would call: emancipatory universalism; maybe even small "c" communism. Effectively the absolute inverse of the world that Peter Thiel postulates.
First
Ayn Rand wasn't Jewish, she was Greek.
In a sense, yes. Because her philosophy was much influenced of Aristotle.
Chatgpt said, when i asked if Kamala would cone with a market crash, it replied, we cannot say anything bad about the vice president....AI not so smart
I disagree with most of Peter’s assumption’s, not because they’re implicitly wrong, but because he generalizes them to extremes that are inaccurate.
Peter is probably the highest level in Helldivers 2
Can you just drop Karl Schmitt’s name and not expect a phone call from your donors?
how would he ever talk to a student
Assign reading to be completed before the conversation. Student wouldn’t have to know everything he knows as a 50-something.
Poor Tyler
He lost a lot of weight..hpefully not because of a cell growth mutation
Dang, Perhaps my view of Peter was ill informed previously because I thought as a successful entrepreneur he was more of an original thinker. And maybe it was due to the line of questioning but it seemed he was either plugging other world views with the constant combatants of how he can't quite subscribe to a certain existing theology. Or he was trying to avoid the soapbox. He just decided for whatever reason to not turn and face a more conclusive perspective. What do I know maybe originality is unachievable
His reasoning is very via negativa, or apophatic. He inducts from and toward the negative of concepts, rather than over stretching and affirming a concepts existence. It’s why he’s libertarian, he’s anti holistic systematic methods that positively asserts.
Peter is a student of Rene Girard whose entire philosophy revolved around mimesis and imitation. I have a feeling Peter doesn't believe it's that possible or easy to be truly original. He probably subscribes to the idea that imitation is fundamental to our nature.
Peter Thiel has gone crazy. Now he only speaks about god and politics. I miss when he used to talk about tech and businesses.
5:00 Thiel misrepresents Calvinism. He says that Calvinist blame "Mr. God" for their sins. That is incorrect. Your sins are your own and your own only.
He needs to lay off the ozempic
Think it’s actually amphetamines
I’m here to hear if Peter thinks the end of the world is here. A few years ago he pooh poohed AI but now it’s a huge factor.
He had vision moving palantir out of California specifically San Francisco and just look at how bad Google is with employees revolting to support Hamas. Look at universities from top to bottom failing.
Yikes
Is Thiel ill or just thinning up? I hope it is the latter. He was not in good shape.
He’s on diabetic meds
maybe his blood boy is on vacation
Ozempic face 👀
TRT also, perhaps. Not a criticism, just an observation of his neck/clavicular tension, and skin complexion in that area. Particularly common with exogenous hormone use.
AI can render the Anti Christ superfluous.
Elaborate
@@andrewhooper7603 AI may soon be able to do everything tbe antiChrist does and better
ai could manifest as the Antichrist, as most AI is woke, like chatgpt, and opposes morality and religion itself
@@burtonsankeralli5445 like what? Provide a specific example.
Peter Thiel said he wasn't a calvinist because of a philosophy book written by Girard. Thiel just used a philosophy book to judge a religious book. That doesn't even make sense.
So Theil seems to understand the incoherence of Calvinism 😮
Theology proper must ask about the nature of god. Instead we get an interview that runs through,”Why aren’t you x, why aren’t you y, so then are you z?”
Very pedantic.
Why not start with what we think we know to be true about the nature of god if such a being exists and then move towards the organization of societies given god’s nature and also man’s condition in god’s world?
How does this get to the central religious questions:
Where did we come from?
Where are we going when we die?
How should we live our lives morally if there is indeed an objective source of morality?
How do I relate to god?
How do we organize a society that operates the way god would want me us to?
cope
Very much agree on your preference for the discussion. Would have liked to see this too.
On your intro comment, I think Calvin-ism has become a dissection of parts stretched to extremes. But could you say that Calvin's views don't share the same degree of incoherence?
Read the book of Revelation in the Bible...the pages are litterally unfolding on the world stage...only God himself would have known the future..Jesus is coming back soon
Daniel was written after the fact pretending to be prophetic.
Yeah ok demon. The jig is up!
He's really worried about a one-world state... How exactly is that going to work with Iran, Israel, US, China, Saudi Arabia? They're just going to wake up and decide to get along one day?
Talk about being in your own head, wow.
he does not look well...
He looks demonic.
Is he speaking English? No idea what he is talking about.
It’s extremely comprehensible, for the most part. Most likely you’re missing relevant background (as I am on some of the theological points, eg: Calvinism).
does he know anything ... just lucky he made a lot of money
Dude he’s a Stanford law grad hahaha
saying "the woke" non-ironically is not only utterly cringe but utterly out of touch
Me thinks This guy is not who he purports to be lol
Whataboutism: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism?wprov=sfla1