SWAT HYBRID Ti Broadhead Test
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- This is a test of the Swat Hybrid Ti (titanium) broadhead.
I'm using a Bowtech SR6 at 72# & 27" draw length and Bishop FOC King Arrows, 460 grs and Bishop FAD Eliminator Arrows for the concrete test.
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In case you're not familiar with my new test protocol, here is what I'm doing now:
1. Flight Test--1 field point & 2 broadheads out my by Bowtech SR6 at 40 yds, to see how well they group together.
2. Sharpness Test: I have a new test for edge sharpness and edge retention, using the Edge on Up Sharpness Tester. I test it out of the box and then again after Penetration Test 1, to see the edge retention.
What are some common scores for other edges? Here are some examples:
A butter knife takes 2000 grams of pressure to break the co polymer wire.
A new high end cutlery edge takes approx 375 grams of pressure to break the wire.
A utility razor blade takes approx 200 grams to break the wire.
Based on the many broadheads I have tested, here is my scoring scale:
Out of the Box Sharpness:
0-200 gr: 10
201-300 gr 9
301-400 gr: 8
401-500 gr: 7
501-600 gr: 6
601-700 gr: 5
701-800 gr: 4
801-900 gr: 3
901-1000 gr: 2
1001-1100 gr: 1
1101+ gr: 0
3. Edge Retention: Sharpness difference after Penetration Test 1:
10 minus 1 point for every 50 grams of sharpness difference. For example, if the initial sharpness was 400 gr of pressure and the sharpness after Penetration Test 1 was 450, the head would receive a 9 for Edge Retention Score.
4. Penetration Test 1: one shot into a combined medium of 2/3" of rubber mat, 1/2" MDF and Clear Ballistics FBI Grade Gel. This is to roughly simulate the tissue of an animal--hide, bone and muscle/fat.
5. Penetration Test 2: one shot into layers of cardboard.
6. Durability Test: For fixed blade heads, I take up to 5 shots into .22 ga steel plate and then evaluate the damage to the head. This is a good test to see the overall durability of the blades, as well as their connection to the ferrule. For mechanical heads, I take up to 5 shots into 1/2" MDF and then evaluate the damage to the head.
7. Concrete Test. This is a zero penetration test, which is a good test of the overall structural integrity of a head.
NOTE: Of course I understand we don't hunt steel plates and concrete, but all of these tests simply provide DATA POINTS for you to use in determining which broadhead is best for your hunting purposes. A well placed shot with pretty much any broadhead will get the job done most of the time. But why not prepare for the worst and buy the best you can?
If one head can hold up to multiple shots in steel & concrete-and another cannot--all other things equal, wouldn't you want to use the head that can withstand the steel and concrete? And after taking hundreds of animals with my bow, I've seen some bone shots cause more damage to a broadhead than even a cinder block.
The goal for all of us is to stack the odds in our favor as much as possible, and select a broadhead that is as lethal as possible for our bow/arrow set up and for the animal we are hunting.
At the end of each of my broadhead tests, you will find a score sheet listing all the results of the testing, so you can compare heads based on what factors matter to you the most. I also have an overall LUSK GRADE that is an evaluation of how the head performed in all the tests combined.
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You know John, one of the things I love about you're channel is, we get to see heads I've never seen or heard about before. And no matter how they perform its awesome to see and watch. It's fun to look for thr strengths and weaknesses of each one of these and even tho you are giving them a score we at home score them as well or at least I do haha. I ne we give my final score to myself until I see the price per head at the end on your score sheet.. like this head I was thinking 7.. until I saw the score sheet and saw the price. Not that it's ridiculously pricey but you know if it was a 10 dollar head instead of 16 that's a big difference. So I was with you on the 6 lol. Great video as always. Thank you sir
Thanks Mikey. It's hard to give a head an Overall Grade. I do my best to compare how it performs to other heads in each of the categories in order to be consistent with those grades. However, the individual scores in each category are what matter the most.
I think the review of the Slick Trick SS3 was one of the best heads I’ve seen you test yet. Looking forward to see the torture of the Assailant
I'm really eager to test that head. It looks so cool.
Thanks for another great test!
Thanks John.
I have shot a couple deer with ss swat hybrid and used it for practise. As you point out, it flies really well as a fixed head, but they do not leave much of a blood trail (one double lung, the other lung/heart shot, both pass through with my set up: Revolt at 30" draw, 70#, arrow 470 grs.) The extra weight modules do not fit either Easton Hexx brass inserts or the Victory VAP SS Elite inserts, not enough threads on the bh. Also as you point out, the weakest point is the blades, and try to exchange them with new ones in the field...good luck!! I am back with fixed broadheads!
Thanks for sharing your experiences. Much appreciated.
Two weeks ago I shot a doe with the steel version. My arrow is 372 grains, 24.5% FOC, shooting 310 FPS out of a bowtech prodigy. I let the excitement get the best of me and shot her in the spine, the tip punched through the spine and blades did fully deploy into the spine. The head is still in perfect condition. Blades didn't bend, tip still looks brand new and it still spins true. Also, the deer didn't go 20...inches. Sadly I had to to a follow up shot because I did paralyze it. I think the feral being so large and the blades being smaller, they are sturdier than other longer blades. I will keep using them.
Thanks for sharing that experience.
So for the last 5 years I have used the Swat 3.75 inch cut head. It’s a rear deploy and fold over both. Now I only use the monsters out of my 425 FPS Scorpyd so i have plenty of energy. I have shot 5 Ohio brutes with it plus a few Michigan bucks and I will tell you 1 I normally don’t like mechanics in a broadhead. The theory just seems dumb but in this specific head the deer normally don’t even run off. It hurts them so badly they either lay down or stand their and look around and then lay down. It slaps the only head EVER that I shot a buck with that fell over from energy kill. The head hit him in the shoulder and nerve punched him lol. The deer fell over and died within seconds! Awesome deal. Ps the blood trails are out of this world. Last years buck was 9 feet wide when we measured it from both sides! My buddies freaked out!
Thanks for sharing that. I like hearing people's experiences with broadheads.
Nice looking head and concept but they need to strengthen the blade attachment system.
Yeah, that was my critique the first time I tested their all steel model as well.
Their A4X broadhead looks interesting. Any chance of testing those?
They’ve promised to send me some to test multiple times. But then they didn’t send them for some reason. Not sure why. But if someone donates a pack, I will gladly test them.
Great job on all this testing John. I very much enjoy all the testing been watching you for a long time now . You know today as I was working out and thinking about the upcoming season here in louisiana it hit me ! I hope yourself really but someone as in detail as you would try these heads out from crossbows for all the handicapped and youths or anyone that’s hunts with crossbows. I find it very very interesting to see the out come in the same medium from a mid powered crossbow on some of these top heads. Very well may help these guys out in seeing if the heads will perform well under more draw weight. If u ever get around to it or anyone does start this test I am very willing to send some different heads that I have. Currently I have a crossbow and hunt with my dad in thick swamp for deer here in louisiana we have not shot one yet with the crossbows and we are using afflictor 125 gr hope they hold up to 175lb draw weight if shot hits a small bone Anyway thanks love the videos and hope you could try this testing out someday thanks
Thanks Bobby. I've looked into getting a crossbow to do more testing with them...but don't have the money at this point.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Yeah I hear u there. They are not cheap. If I ever upgrade and u still have not got one by that time I’ll donate a my old and maybe u Will have to only put a new string on it or something we will see lol. I have afflictor ext 125 gr for my crossbow never had a chance yet to shoot a deer with them yet so I hope I made a great choice and they hold up and perform well for me. I hunt public land so I need a good blood trail and fast kill more than anything before he goes by another hunter lol
I'd be interested to see you test it as a fixed blade. Cool video though man
Thank you. I did test their all steel model a while back in both the open and closed position. They still fly great open, and they obviously make a better entrance hole while open. But after the first shot into the MDF, all the shots are in the open position, and it only took one to break the blades.
The durability is certainly a concern, but the inability of the heads to open up properly is an even bigger concern. I will be avoiding these for sure.
Well, they are similar to any over the top deploying mech in that regard...but the entrance hole is really small.
I really liked them till the blades breaking. If they were to strengthen that aspect it would be a great contender.Thanks John...
Yep, I agree.
Not for me. It doesn't open early enough to provide a full diameter hole meaning less blood loss and longer trailing. + the blades may break off if they hit bone.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Frank.
John was this tested in the open position?
It was a while ago. But I believe it was in the closed position for some of the testing and then open after that. During the durability tests, the first shot was closed, then open after that.
How do you balance being a pastor and hunting?
I'm doing ministry and hunting, and I feel like I have no time.
Yeah, I get that. I've been in the ministry for well over 3 decades now. During many of my years in ministry I was not able to hunt at all. But now I've learned to create more boundaries for myself. Burnout is real and it's crucial to have ways to recharge yourself on a regular basis. God created us with certain physiological limitations and properties. We need sleep, food, water...and we need to replenish our serotonin and adrenaline, which often gets depleted by giving, giving, giving all the time. If you want to do ministry for the long haul, it's essential to understand this and also to not feel guilty getting that kind of time away from people and doing things that fill your cup back up :)
I guess just by looking at the design it really wouldn't open until the back set of teeth grab hide and bone. By that time the blades are already into or past the first set of ribs.
Yeah, that's the challenge with any front deploying mech.
Do u have any tips on getting a ironwill to fly better my bow is tuned and shooting perfect bullet holes in paper but past 40 yards I'm shooting way to the right
...for right handers: too the left --> spine could be too stiff; to the right --> spine could be too weak (common with high FOC, negative impact on dynamic spine often overseen in the hunt for more FOC). For left hand shooters it is the opposite. It is also nearly impossible to get arrows that have a different spine (even if they have the same weight) to hit the same spot - you may get the windage right, but very likely not the elevation (the stiffer spine will hit higher - if they have the same weight).
Eta: just to add general comments about FOC:
there is a lot of hype about more and more FOC (...but Ashby said, ...and RF...etc.) and I get it that people jump on this. But it is a catch22 - more FOC means you need to cover the needs for a stiffer dynamic spine which means usually more GPI thus compromising the FOC so you even need to load the front with more weight thus needing more GPI .... and so on.)
Beside this there are a tons of other downsides: a heavy arrow means less speed, and while the physics tell you that a heavier arrow has less drag loss (= KE loss) due to lower speed, this is only some kind of an advantage for the horizontal direction; gravity works for the total arrow in the vertical, and so do the same physics. That means that the front drops over a distance faster than the rear (not due to the heavier tip as free fall is independent from the mass, but due to the higher drag at the rear causing a higher pivoting moment due to the longer lever / distance to center of gravity) thus the arrow planes with more shaft profile in the wind causing again more drag / KE losses. Now add a BH sail to the front and good luck with hitting what you are aiming for.
The "pinnacle" of a high FOC arrow, the UFOC with up to 30% is therefore nearly impossible to tune properly and the accuracy will suffer significantly as the system becomes less forgiving (not all of us are hooter shooters). An arrow usually needs a min. of 5% FOC to fly stable (some 3D shooters even shoot neutral arrows), and everything up to 15% is usually easy tunable, and IMHO more FOC is never required respectively can't be justified due to the negative tradeoffs.
Eta: ...if you have only a moderate FOC, thus ruling out the FOC as the culprit, I would check the 3. axis - if the 3. axis is not adjusted correctly your shots (FP and BH) might be perfect at 20 meters, but not at a longer distance when you aim higher thus changing the position of the sight level.
There is definitely either a tuning issue, spine issue, or a grip/release issue with that. Werner's comment below is a good one. I always check my paper tunes further by shooting bare shafts. If a bare shaft has the same point of impact and the same angle of impact as fletched arrows, then almost any broadhead will fly great--especially Iron Wills.
Love your videos and thanks for the review! Looks like another mechanical with terrible blade thickness and structural integrity.
Yeah, the blade retention could use some improving.
...I expected more from a BH using titanium...if just one of those little blades separate in the game it will take me ages to ensure that it won't hurt the dogs when preparing dog food....
Well, the titanium did fine. The blades and the blade retention are all steel. That being said, titanium is stronger than some steels, but not most...it's value its weight to strength ratio. It's stronger than most aluminums, much lighter than steel, but weaker than most steels. That being said, again, the titanium ferrule on these did great--it was the steel blades and steel blade pins holding them to the ferrule that broke.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures ...reliability is always defined by the weakest part in the system - as a manufacturer I would ask myself whether it is worth spending the money on more exotic titanium if the rest of the system can't keep up with it?
Garbage. Thanks for saving some animals the suffering with this one lol
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
absolute trash those blades break like that, no go! Every titanium head ive had the ferules bent on hard impacts just like this one.
Well, I did not see the ferrule bend at all on this one--even in concrete. The Sevr 1.5 is titanium and it is BY FAR the most durable mech on the market, especially the 125 gr model which has a thicker ferrule. In the SWAT it is the blade retention in the steel blades that is the weak point, not the titanium.
Why would someone want to shoot a mechanical with open blades? It‘s just combining the negatives of both worlds; the structural integrity will still be lacking and your trajectory will become worse. You don‘t lose the energy needed for the unfolding process, but that‘s about it... That hinge construction looks like you‘ll have to buy new folding blades after every shot. 🙄
Thank you for testing even the wonky ideas. 😄
Well, you'll get a better entrance hole with the blades in the open position, and these still fly very well open...but yes, the blade connection to the ferrule is a weak point.
Disappointing for sure. Hopefully improvements are made.
That single pivot pin is pretty weak on many mechs...but some have a secondary way to secure them and that helps a lot.
Oh dear......
Thanks for watching & commenting :)
A mechanical that doesn't open on impact? No thanks!
Well, no front deploying heads open on impact...or very very few.
POS
Thanks for sharing your thoughts :)