Election Results - A Labour Landslide
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- What should we make of Labour’s landslide election win? How big a force can Reform UK become in UK politics? Where next for the Tory Party?
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Sunak not losing his seat is the punishment he deserves.
On LBC, as they were playing live coverage of the declaration from the Richmond count, one of the commentators back in the studio had their mic open and could be heard to say "By-Election"... 😅
Sunak should not have to take the blame ; it is Boris .
@@carolthomas8528 It's also Sunak. The last policy he announced before the election was that he would be halving disability benefits, so that's a whole community activated against him then. Evil little scrotebag.
@@carolthomas8528 Sunak had long enough to make an impact and sat on his hands. All the Tories needed to do to retain power, was control migration. The country could have still been failing on every other metric but Tory voters would have come out in droves to keep someone in power who controlled out borders... But no. Multiple elections, the Brexit referendum, universal criticism of the Rwanda plan and Sunak still couldn't do anything to respect the wishes of his voters. He had the opportunity to learn from the failings of Cameron, May, Johnson and Truss and he learnt nothing.
@@carolthomas8528Sunak should definitely take the blame, he supported Boris and has been PM long enough to end the toxicity, but decided to make them more toxic instead!
The best way to neutralise the reform party is to do a good job. Deal with education and housing, encourage companies to move to the north east and create jobs. They cannot and should not out Farage the Reform party
Reform will only grow. Worked from a garden shed. Focus is to have real base and they will. The right is on the march and you will not stop it...Farage PM for sure
Labour don't need to do a good job. Reform can never get the numbers, that is pretty obvious. The Tories that voted Tory are pretty much lib dems and they would never vote reform, no matter how bad things get. Reform has no other avenue to get extra voters from. Those that voted labour will never switch, so we are stuck with labour for good, or atleast 15-20 years.
By that time, there will be so much apathy there will be very few people who bother to vote. The national debt will be so large that interest on it will consume most of our budget, everything will be collapsing, but the mass immigration will give Labour access to new voters. The country will look completely different in 20 years from now, white people will be in the minority and Islam will be by far the dominate force in teh country and possibly in control of Labour. English law may even be replaced with Shariah law. The vast majority of British people respect Islam over Christianity,
The small boat crisis is going to get extreme under this Parliament. Labour policy and announcements have made the UK a huge draw for illegal migrants. This is one aspect the future government will be vulnerable to attack from both Reform and the Tories.
Also as you say, things have to improve drastically in order to confirm the belief the country is where it is due to Tory mismanagement. If things don't, the Tories will regain some credibility.
I think it all depends on how the Tories manage Reform though. If there is some kind of merger Labour will be in trouble in 2029. If the Tories and Reform keep squabling then Labour will win like they did tonight, with the conservative vote split and them slipping through.
This is the problem - they don't bother with bread and butter issues and prefer trendy stuff like net zero - and only started discussing immigration at the last minute to shore up support, love him or loathe him Farage nails his colours to the mast and then other parties follow - it should be the other way around.
@@markeightfourone8693
85% of the people loath him and will never vote for him. The vast majority of people don't care about mass immigration, they voted for parties who don't care about it either.
I'm well to the left of Alistair and Rory, but I really appreciate what a good example they are for nuanced and thoughtful discourse against post truth, simplistic populist BS. A lighthouse even. They are also better on international coverage than anyone I can recall.
But the biggest problem facing us is the changing climate impacting food production which will make the vileness of Farage look like small beer over the next couple of decades. The Greens quadrupled their seats & got 2 million votes. I don't expect it to be the centre of attention but there's not a word about it. Not a single word.
They are truly repugnant. They just don't sound it. Things are a lot clearer and you 'really' listen to what they're saying. They're certainly not fond of democracy for example.
Sorry Alilister, i really dont see it. Yes theybare either side of centre which is pleasing to me@@allisterwhitehead
Then look harder. Novara media, Politics Joe, Majority report (for the US, they sometimes cover the UK too).
Agree with one exception,their joining the chorus on RFK Jr. which will come back to haunt them,hopefully!
It’s nice to hear you without Nadine interrupting you because she hadn’t finished her ode to Johnson
She is so in love with him and he clearly doesn't give a shit about her. It's hilarious.
Unfrequented love is so sad to see, your chance of a peerage is now in the outgoing governments honours list, don’t hold your breath.
I'm beginning to think that Widders has a similar relationship with Farage.
A widders and Farage sexual union is an image that could curdle milk 🤢
So I have a serious question. Who is going to take over as the minister for the 1800's with Rees-flog gone?
hip hip hurray! 🎉
@@jonboymk1bridgemaryfront889 only satirists are unhappy with this. The man is a walking meme.
@@nealodonnell620 he could be made a lord
@@sarahjoines9343 Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@sarahjoines9343 Haha! I'm an aussie and forget about peerage. He's still got his children's television gig on GBBees to I guess.
A deserved loss for the Tories. I did start to watch the Ch4 coverage, but as soon as I saw the exit polls and spotted Dorries and Kwarteng on the panel I switched off and went to bed. Nothing on Earth would persuade me to listen to anything that comes out of that vacuous woman’s mouth. To wake up and learn that Rees-Smug has got his marching orders was wonderful!
I had no idea who Dorries was previously, but she certainly caught my eye last night with her snippy pettiness. Gosh.
I also planned to watch on channel 4. After the first few minutes and the discussion about Boris, courtesy of Nadine D, I switched to bbc.
I also managed about 5 minutes of Dorries before calling it a night lol
Same here. Watched on the BBC where there was an absence of attention seeking windbags.
She is awful! 🙉
Campbell vs Dorries! Brilliant entertainment .
That's a sexist comment.
@@phoenixh87are you alright mate? Should I call someone for you?
@@spaghettioso2799it’s a joke by @phoenixh87, she hit AC with that one, I near buckled when she said that cr@p and the look on AC face lol. She must have been really desperate to try that.
@@phoenixh87hahahahahahaha mad nad on the bevvy soon to be on the dole
Haha no, it was an accusation thrown around by Dorries to Campbell and then he sarcastically threw it back to her.
How on earth did you both put up to an entire evening with Nadine Dorries? Your ears must be bleeding.
Congrats Labour from the US!
Wish we had a Labour Party in our sh*t hole country.
Trump will fix it don't worry...
UK it's screwed
You have Tory = Democrats and GOP = Regorm basically. Not much of a choice
Wow! Can’t believe you managed to not only do the Channel 4 broadcast but also squeeze in a podcast as well.
Bravo.
"just need to nip to the loo..." blasts out quick podcast
This is how democracy should work, that two people with very different political background can sit down in one room and discuss politics in a civilized manner with mutual respect.
They're both moderates. It's how the country should be. The extremes ruin everything. Look at the US right now. Absolute calamity. Look at what happened to the Tory party after letting the ERG run the show.
It’s easy when you don’t need to get elected
No, both of them are above all else anti-Tory
They don't have very different politics, but they are both members of an establishment /media elite. Absolute crap.
"This is how democracy should work" Really!!?? 35% of the vote, 65% of the seats. That's your idea of democracy?
A really weird result. Massively low turnout. A labour landslide even though they showed no real increase in their vote, except in Scotland.
A large part of that is down to the collapse of the Conservatives and SNP, and the rise of Reform (which eat into Conservative numbers, allowing Labour and Lib Dems to do well). Low turnout will also be a factor. As will tactical voting, especially in key seats.
It was all the tactical voting. People basically wanted the Tories out whichever way possible
No mention of Gerrymandering ie photo ID. My eldest son doesn't drive and if it wasn't for my wife obtaining a passport for him two months ago, he wouldn't have had a passport. There are many people who haven't a license or passport and are probably ignorant of how to obtain a photo ID or couldn't be bothered to apply for one. Labour should abolish the need for photo ID before the next council elections.
FPTP is a stupid, stupid voting system.
Now we want REAL change, we want/need PR!
@@grahamkemp5102all correct
My condolences to the two of you to have to sit there and listen to the utter bilge Dorries was spouting.
Was there a single sentence she said that wasn't laughably factually incorrect or an airing of her revolting romantic obsession with BoJo.
Rory, how did you not know that BoJo came from an undepriviledge background, or that ALL the returning Tories are on the left.
Jebus, if her wits were a bulb it wouldn't illuminate a shoebox.
I was planning on staying up all night to watch you guys on CH4, but gave up around 11pm. What were Channel Four thinking! No-one wants to sit-through an all-nighter with Nadine Dorries going off like a drowing cat, and the past coming back to haunt us in the shape of Anna Widdecombe.
Sorry fellas, had to tune out at 10:10, couldn’t stand to listen to Nadine Dorres, and the thought of Anne Widdecombe to follow finished me off!
Thanks for the heads up! no way im listening to them two nutters
I hate to be a sexist misogamist, but shrill and Anne Widdecombe are literally one and the same LMAO.
Why Nadine Dorries?
I admire your fortitude....I didn't make it past seeing Kwarteng.....WTF were C4 thinking?
Absolutely, same here. I switched to bbc and sky.
A Tory complaining about low voter turn out when his party have done their best to supress voters. Oh the irony.
Kind of worked though, I suspect they saved a complete collapse to 30 MPs.
It's amazing to see Kwarteng so blasé about his part in hurting the UK. He doesn't care.
If he cared he’d never have paired up with Truss
He doesn't care BC he had plenty of dough lined in his pockets. When his party got absolutely smashed into pieces in the elections I thought he would be more upset by it but he wasn't.
Well, when you go to Eton to be educated, the rest of the world is Plebsville. Skin colour is irrelevant anyhow as Kwarteng demonstrates.. After all, you can divide and screw up the country and then have your mates get you robed as a Lord in 24 hours to then be Foreign Secretary! 😅
Thanks, UK, for having the coverage during the day Aus time! I've watched the Chanel 4 coverage all day - and have been waiting for a recap by Rory and Alastair sans the rest of the panel.
The Reform result is a worry for the future.
VOTING LABOUR JUST BECAUSE YOU HATE THE TORIES IS DUMB. NOW WE PAY THE PRICE.
Props to channel 4 for having them on and they both got some good commentary in but they didn't get nearly enough screen time. Also big up to whoever the producer was at certain points that kept cutting to Rory and Als faces when other idiot pundits were talking shit.
Voting reform because you hate everything is dumb. @@johnchristmas7522
The Reform /racist voter base is something the Tories have held under their wing since time immemorial. Reform have offered them a new, far right home. Unfortunate that we have so many of them, but fortunate that the vote on the right is now split. We're now looking forward to a long and fruitful time where investment in the country can take centre stage, rather than scandal after scandal!
Claiming Reform are far right is outrageous. If they're far right, Greens are far left
The way you deal with the populist right is, as Starmer said, improve ordinary people's lives, so they don't have bad stuff to blame on minorities and immigrants; and stop making those far right issues a big talking point in the media. The Tories have ALLOWED AND HELPED Reform to grow by making those issues, asylum, immigration, etc a big deal.
Disagree., respectfully, the tories lost to reform because they didn’t provide the mandate from the people regarding immigration and societal change. They did not deliver. Farage isn’t far right, he’s what conservatives should have been! But the tories behaved like Labour, so it seems like nothing will change under Labour and the next election will be a landslide for Reform…
100% de-industrialised communities have been left to rot and the most compelling change they've been offered has come from the hard right because the status quo has offered them nothing save for name-calling. The far right backlash is a symptom of the problem and shouldn't be treated as the problem itself. Only investment in these communities and the futures of their populations will solve the issue.
You could give everyone a yacht and they would still vote for Reform and say they would have two yachts if not for the immigrants.
Totally agree majority of migrants are students coming to study in the best 10 universities in the world. Workers in health and social care.
@@aosa1238have you got evidence I can look at to confirm this?
Gotta love the fact Rory has the sandwich next to him.. well done
A symbol of hope that food does get close to the gentleman.
What's in the sandwich, Rory? The key question in all the election coverage...
Lord Snooty (Rees Mogg) lost his seat! 😂
He always reminded me of Brassneck.
Bye-Bye, Rees- Nonce!
Does this mean he will have to move from living in the 18th century to the 19th or will he just move to the EU where his business is located I have been led to believe
I think there's an office in Dublin.
Best news of the night 😂😂😂
As a Dutch person (who lived in the UK for about 5 years in total, off and on), I wish to congratulate all of you on gaining a government that, at least, suggests there are some adults back in the room. You’ve done better than us in this respect. Having said that, Reform (as well as our far-right parties) are a real worry, right now. It seems to me we cannot afford to dismiis the very real underlying worries that have boosted this vote (in percentages, it’s not to be sniffed at!). The fears behind it are related to all the basic securities that the Tories have undermined, though. So if Starmer can ensure ‘normal’ people can feed their families again, and afford a home to live in, perhaps my perception of Britain will slowly shift towards where it was in the late nineties again.
@@yestedayssolutionstotodays816 amazing how ordinary working people who wish for basic border controls are now labeled as 'far right' by the 'progressive' left.
Yes. We must strive to improve your perception of us.
@@berserker6950 increased militarisation of police, lower corpo tax, increased military spending and protecting military personnel from human rights lawsuits, increased number of prisons with less focus on rehabilitation, taxes lowered for the richest, lower benefits, policing what schools may not teach.
It's like some of you didn't read any manifestos
Hats off to you Sir Rory, for steering away from
Farages personal life.
Aside from the sheer quality of TRIP, I really appreciate the way Stewart always acts as civilians' friend by reining in Campbell when he strikes out to yomp over some patch of ground familiar to him but obscure to many of us. Thank you, sir
I think this whole election regardless of outcome is so depressing. Voter turnout is so low. Labour only maginally increasing its share of the vote albeit on a reduced turnout. The collapse of Tory and SNP vote and general apathy lead to a Labour win. It's definately not 1997 repeated..Labour really need to give us a vision...as I still dont know what it is...
I think the back-tracking on the previously much more ambitious manifesto really alienated a lot of people who were going to vote Labour - plus, there wasn’t really anywhere for the radical left to go (unlike the radical right who just vote Farage.)
I voted for Labour not for what they are now, but what they could be in a year or two - and to also get the bloody Tories out!
@@Nikelaos_Khristianos Just because someone cares about the direction their country is heading doesn't mean they are far right crackpots if they voted Reform.
Well there is no short term vision that can be sold. Just the long slow reality of years of work to change things. Not really something anyone wants to hear.
Yeah I am not singing "Things Can Only Get Better" this time round.
@@Nikelaos_Khristianoslots of trad Labour voters also voted Reform. Same as with Brexit.
Campbell vs Dorries! Brilliant entertainment 😂
It was absolutely cracking, I had a great time watching it!
@@theghostboi I think it took Alastair by surprise at the start, not only the ridiculous sexist accusation, but the fact she was trying to swipe at everything he said. Clearly no love lost there, but it was embarrassing for her how obvious her disdain was. I thought Alastair handled it quite well, considering how awkward it must have been for everyone else
@jonathanward7320 I genuinely couldn't agree more with everything you've just said. I was cringing watching her, she just came across as immature and unprofessional. I could see Kwasi struggling to defend her and the things she was saying.
Dorries and Widdicombe demonstrated everything that makes me wretch during the broadcast. Self entitled delusional arguments.
“If the problem were austerity they’d have been kicked out in 2015”. Hard disagree for so many reasons. Austerity drove Brexit. Austerity drove our poor response to covid. Austerity has affected infrastructure and is why I treat patients in corridors and my pay is down a third. It’s why I can’t get a train, a GP appointment, why my student debt is £100,000 and climbing (aka a life long millennial tax), it’s a big driver of social mobility palsies. Austerity is the original sin, the ethics of BJ, Truss and Sunak are the tip of the spear. For the first time since 2005, Labour have finally gotten around to giving people a national ticket that is palatable. Brown, Ed, Lord help us Corbyn twice, now Starmer. Austerity, Rory, is vital here.
Labour vote up 1.6% over UK. Not a resounding endorsement by any margin!
Labour up in Scotland, as a snub to SNP. If Labour don’t deliver QUICKLY, I’m sure people will return to the SNP pretty smartish.
Labour can never lose power the Tories are split for good, Labour is in power forever now, all they have to do is flood the country with immigrants which they will do.
This was certainly a deserved loss for the Tories; however, can we just take a few moments to sit back and recognise how well British elections work. Six weeks or so from announcement to outcome. An outgoing PM who congratulates the incoming one. Candidates who almost inevitably shake hands after the event. By mid afternoon we will have a new PM and the business of government will continue. The system is far from perfect; however, I think it is pretty good. Contrast this with the US whose election campaign has been raging for what feels like an eternity.
The US are proud of their idiotic system. therein lies the problem.
I have to agree. I have problems with our electoral system but the actual administration of our elections is pretty outstanding
this very true they only run for 4 years and the last 6 months they are campaigning . In that 6 months Trump in particular talks nothing but nonsense ; I really can't watch it anymore . these huge gaps in time between voting then counting and then a new president taking over is probably why Trump had so much time to get up to nonsense . Maybe half the problem is the state as in California ect. V Federal
This one has been poor though, so many folks didn't get to vote because the postal votes were a shambles
As you point out the peaceful transference of power is so necessary for a democracy. God help our friends across the pond
Thoroughly enjoyed your commentary on C4 as well as the questioning of both the audience and fellow political characters. Keep up the good work. Need to get you two in front of audiences
Update with two seats to go. Lib Dems 3.5 million votes reform 4 million. They're actually very close in terms of votes
"fewer, not less" - quote of the night.
This was an anti-tory referendum, not an election. No wonder turnout was so low
Be like Australia and legislate for compulsory voting. It absolutely works here.
Pffft. Wouldn't want to learn anything from you lot. You gave the world Murdoch, no thanks 💩
Force people to vote? A tad dicatorship isn't it?
I see what you did there 😂
Looked it up; about 90% voter turn out in the 2022 Federal election.
@@leehighland5435it doesn't feel very dictatorial to be able to cast your vote in a democracy 😂
Hi from Germany. Congrats to the Labour Party. The best news ever after the heart breaking Brexit.
F off nobody cares what you think
I had to leave the C4 coverage as couldn’t abide with Kwarteng and Dorries. I’ll listen to rest is politics and news agents to get reactions on the night.
Perhaps one reason turnout is so low in this election is that there has been very little to vote FOR. Pole-heavy, policy-light. None of the parties creating a vision of a better Britain supported by policies to achieve it. What's the point of voting when there's nothing to vote for? BTW, I did vote.
Three people told me today that they didn't vote because they knew Labour was going to win ...
The class that Rory brought to that panel on Channel 4 last night was staggering, my upmost respect.
Most intelligent commentary I've seen anywhere. In particular for focusing on the terrible representation disconnect between popular vote and seats.
You will only to begin to rebuild trust in politics is by electing trust worthy politicians and shutting down the Murdoch sewer pipe
Well the British failed again.
It is all very well disapproving of Ed Davey's antics - but he was absolutely right about the Lib Dems not getting news coverage without doing something of this sort.
It worked, where simply sticking to party policies would not have worked.
And at 11:30 am Alistair is doing the gig with the BBC - does this man never sleep?
My feeling is relief. It’s nothing like 1997 which was joy. This time the country is so broken I don’t feel optimistic.
Dorries was a crazy as a locked bag of honey badgers…. She 😍 Boris 😂
It always depresses me to hear the term 'safe seats'. Highlights to me the flaw in democracy... That idiots get to vote too. Every election should be taken for what it is. Not what your dad's dad's dad's dad's dog's dad voted for. 🤦
Definitely time we got rid of FPTP...
I met Alastair’s nephew on Wednesday. He agreed with me that Blackburn Rovers are magic. Happy to vote for a lad with the right attitude.
😂 love it! RTID
Are these two really that different?
Rory Stewart is further left than a lot of labor voters
He talks sense, you mean?
@@JisforJenius he is stuck in his Labour closet.
Dorries was painful to watch
Always is, salivating over Bojo
I#d like to see a special interview with Jess Philips about the worrying rise of intimidation and the threat to democracy.
The low voter turnout is because there are no good political options for us to vote for. These two can sit an ponder over the issue as much as they want, but until they accept that it is because both main parties are just not appealing to us anymore, change will never happen.
I hope this election result will motivate the Left to vote here in Franc, on Sunday, against Le Pen because it doesn't look good!
Moggie is out 😂
🎉🎉🎉🎉.
Love the pod. Thanks for the 3am effort, gents!
You can’t compare turnout with 1906. This is before universal suffrage.
A day for celebration for sure. On the main pod I think it was Rory who said he hoped the UK ‘was past peak populism’. But Labour HAVE to deliver fast. Reform are approximately on the same vote share as RN in France in the early 00’s - and look where France is now. It may be that Starmer & co. distancing themselves from being perceived as ‘New Labour v2.0’ or ‘global Britain’ is the best way to stem a swing back to populists like Fromage and handing them an easy target in 2029.
I really like Rory just wish he wasn't a Tory.
Not sure he is a Tory
He is a liberal then and now.
I don't, he's complacent and an elitist
Staying up all night was hard enough without having to deal with Nadine Dorries
This hospital pass saying is misunderstood.
A hospital pass is from football, its when you play a risky pass to your team mate, which puts them in a dangerous position where they are more than likely going to be tackled hard.
Heard a lot of politicians using it the same way people use the phrase 'hall pass' when they're actually opposite in meaning
This is brilliant - the tories out (including their more right wing members); a reform vote made up with a lot of young looking for change, any change; a strong lib dem showing (who Labour can work with to get social care reform through); the greens with 4 seats; the rise of the independents; a huge proportion of new female mp's; and Labour with a strong majority but a low voter share.... I can see the political discussion getting a big progressive kick over the next few years, and this country needs it. It feels great to wake up with the tories out and, though not perfect, the most organised and competent party, with one of the most working class cabinets of recent times, at the helm. Let's go!
Labour like the Tories despise the working class.
I had to go to bed at 130am.. have woken up to with such a smile on my face! Congratulations to Labour! What a monumental victory! 🌹
3 AM and recording this podcast before you go back on telly later to give more political insight of the events. Damm, right, I'll be buying your books. Thank you Alistair and Rory...😊
Go the Hare-Clarke system we invented in Tasmania. Multi-member electorates with proportional and compulsory voting. Democracy requires a buy in. The fine would be roughly 60 pound to opt out.
An anti-poll tax.
Every day that Sunak stays is a win for Labor.
We have the same voting system as Belarus. It needs to go.
@phil9582 At least we won't be joining Belarus/Russia by leaving the ECHR :)
Yeah bcuz european coalitions are great for stability and haven't led to the hard right takeover everywhere. Nonsense man
😂😂😂
If you had PR you would likely have a coalition with some unsavory characters running it. And a future with the same characters popping up. It ain't a panacea.
@@richardh8082oh just sit down. Shit argument.
Strange how First Past the Post operates: Labour got about 2.5 times as many votes as Reform but 100 times as many seats! Under PR the shifts from 2019 would be much, much smaller. As it is, the voters have stuck up a big V sign to the Tories. Many Tory votes moved across to Reform UK led to a huge gain for Labour and a very sizeable increase for Lib Dems. Liz Truss from PM to ex-MP in 21 months - quite an achievement!
Found the tv hard to watch with Mad Nad and Anne Widecombe but loved Allister's refinement of Trump's " I don't understand what you just said and nor do you. " and "fewer not less" .
I can’t stop staring at Rory’s very average looking sandwich.
Same
My guess is there's a snack machine in the lobby and Alistair made him eat the crisps he bought off air!
I would call it 'rustic' or possibly 'desperate' the last two slices in the loaf....🤔 love these guys bringing some honesty and common sense to politics
As for the turnout question... do Rory and/or Alastair think it's time to consider compulsory voting WITH a "None of the above" option. I think it would be rather illuminating and hopefully transformative to British Politics to see "NotA" win a couple of seats...
Thanks guys, great to hear your analysis at such a late/ early hour. Time for some well earned shut eye 😊
Voting should be mandatory, it’s a disgrace that people won’t use a right that was fought for in a true democracy.
We have compulsory voting in Australia and we do so with pride. It removes extremist politicking to get the vote out. Brings parties to the centre and everyone feels apart of the system.
We have to attend the polling place and be marked off the roll, not actually complete the ballot. Apart of that means the voting day must be on a weekend and 2 weeks prior early voting to make it easy for workers to vote.
No one died fighting for this democracy, because this isn't a democracy, all the parties are controlled by the globalists, why do you think people don't bother to vote?
Have you fought for those rights?
So you want to force people to go in and spoil their vote? What is the point.
Never mind that Labour's vote share is relatively low. There is hardly any enthusiasm for Labour.
Landslide , biggest win ever! Love Tory rears
LABOUR WON BY DEFAULT. WHICH IN ITSELF SHOWS JUST HOW UNDEMOCRATIC THE UK IS. NOW WE PAY THE PRICE. TWEEDLE DEE IS OUT AND TWEEDLE DUMB IS IN.
@benwilson6145 Nobody is disputing that, but look at the vote share, it's telling.
Truth is, a system of preferences (as they have in Australia) would still have resulted in a labour win. Because the parties would have done deals to get each other's preferences. Greens, lib Dems etc would have given their preferences to labour. @@dreammclackers
@JisforJenius I don't dispute that either. I'm simply saying there really isn't a lot of excitement around labour outside of just wanting to remove the conservatives.
Superb stuff. Always informative and entertaining
Well played to Alistair for dealing with Nadine Dorries on Ch4 last night. She really was intolerable
alarming that Reform got over 4 million votes, that's a lot of people comfortable with their policies, could be the grassroots for the future if labour don't perform
Reform can never form government, 85% of the people of this country are left leaning. All those on the right have left the Tory party, all that are left are liberals. The Tory party will become a liberal left of center party now.
It’s if the 4 seats they have will stay, they’re divisive I don’t think they’ll hang in and do anything for their electorate.
As i understand it Labour have voted against the immigration policies put forward by the Conservatives.
@@lizroberts1569 I can see more tories, the ones who've lost seats joining Reform so like UKIP (who are more or less extinct) will grow as labour try and fail with immigration to the satisfaction of those who want it drastically reduced. We've seen in Europe the far right parties bloom due to mainly the issue of immigration, which will only intensify because the climate is turning countries in Asia, Middle East and Africa inhospitable, so millions travelling into Europe
I saw an interview with a Reform voters. He said he was worried about Cons and Labour as they stopped him getting his foreign wife into UK....
And voted reform?
Many stupid people around.
The Labour Party winning with only 34% of the vote share is also astonishing.
Just shows the UK gets the government it deserves!
Not very democratic. System needs changing.
That is happening in all countries as people who were once rusted on voters move and switch and change their votes every election. Labour, for example, is not in anyway these days the party of the working class (when they say worker they mean middle class). Labour will be friends of rich and middle classes but forget who and what made them. Growth? No, if they feel that way they should start a new party not steal the worker's party.
THATS FIRST PAST THE POST FOR YOU. NOW WE PAY THE PRICE. IN TRUTH THE MAJORITY WANTED NEITHER TWEEDLE DEE OR TWEEDLE DUMB. 66% VOTED AGAINST!
First past the post combined with many, many more parties. When I first voted there were 3 parties on my ballot paper. Yesterday I counted 7
My parents live in the rushcliffe area and voted labour. They weren't expecting a labour win
I wish Rory would join the LibDems and stop the idea of being a Tory.
Can we get a episode about how you guys decided to start this platform?
I think it would be cool to see how a strong Labour campaigner and a moral conservative came together to create a podcast that is trying to find insight in politics. Agree/disagree?
@@Conbotron just listen to the first couple of episodes. When it comes down to it, Alastair Campbell got offered it by Linniker, asked Twitter who they liked of a few Tories, and Rory was the most popular, so Campbell cynically picked him as most likely to boost the podcast.
It’s been pretty obvious to me right from the start, the podcast was started as an arm of the Labour campaign for this election, just give it some thought!
Once I found out who was behind / funding it I knew I was right!
Absolute genius when you think about it!
I’ve long felt that Starmer and Labor have to demonstrate operational expertise. The trains have to run on time, water has to be clean, and the NHS needs everything (and these big 3 are just to start). BUT, politics is still going to be equally important. Labor has to weigh voter reform and think about cross party alliances. There’s common ground with LD on some issues. May be smart to expand the center and drive the Tories further right. There has to be a plan to neuter Reform, and one way is to get the youth vote solidly on side. Labor needs programs targeted to the young (youth centers, work training, etc). Lots to do.
In the 10 years that I’ve lived in this country - and seen effectively the worst of the Tories - I must admit it’s been shocking to see public services fall into disrepair, cities looking shabbier and shabbier and an all-round disdain and pessimism from people.
So I do really agree that the new government, at the very least, needs to start getting the basics right
If they get the trains on time, the NHS up again, water clean and energy cheap, they don't have to worry much, because life would have improved so much, everybody would love them
@@sciencefliestothemoon2305 I'm afraid energy will never be cheap again. Even if the war in Ukraine ends, the price of gas and oil is not going back to the 2020 level.😢
@@slavecek you need to look at the tech. Battery storage is getting cheaper, wind, solar are getting cheaper and better.
Ever again can only happen if we let the crony capitalist run the system. Otherwise, energy will become cheap, and worse, energy producers have to think about ways to make money, probably by storing it
Can someone explain why “reform” doesn’t get tarred with the mess that is Brexit? As an outsider I always understood that Farage was the guy who stirred the Brexit pot and then backed away when it became a mess.
Because they're short-sighted. They were told Brexit would fix all their problems and it made them worse, but farage had the fortune that the Tory government in charge were useless and so could be given the blame instead
@@DingLiren-nw2vj thanks.
Wearing their suites at 3 am lol
They were on Channel 4 all night, not just for this podcast.
Unfortunately the best way to deal with Reform is to actually address some of their voters more reasonable concerns. The party only has strength as long as things are not addressed.
Not quite. The way to deal with them is to address actual problems and poverty, so there are fewer angry people who are vulnerable to populists telling them that it's all the fault of a transgender woman or five Albanians in a boat. Farage is a symptom, not a cause.
I agree we listen, but immigrants are NOT a problem at all. Austerity was and is
It was 100% austerity, but the fools didn't realise it and Labour committed electrocide with Corbyn
For what it’s worth…it’s a rejection of “non conservatism” and scottish nationalism NOT a vote FOR Labour….or whatever it is they stand for.
Labour stand for make the country better.
Scottish Independence is not one party.
@@kevinkevin-ug9po I think 17 years of the nationalists have shown that Independence is a non starter! Also the country will always be deeply divided on it, oh and it would be a disaster 100 time worse than Brexit 😉
No it isn't. Scottish nationalism is still pretty high. It's a rejection of the SNP.
John Curtis said the polls show that about 50% of Scottish people want Scottish independence.
The Independence movement isn't one political party.
Anas Sarwar London Labour branch office manager in Scotland said to Scottish people who believe in Scottish independence lend Labour your vote to get the Tories out.
Nice to know that the hereditary principle is alive and well.🙂
"he's had marital difficulties... we don't wanna go into that" 😂
Like the pod so switched over to CH4 for the coverage, but couldnt stomach that circus. Guru has an unfortunate manner and obsesses over the most juvenile things. I thought (as per the advertising) I was going to see you guys running an election night special in your (mostly) measured and well thought out styles, but that was not what was on offer. A real shame - hope you guys didnt hate being there too much.
Labour really needs to acknowledge the Right and deal with immigration. Otherwise, it's hard to see how we don't follow Europe and lurch to the Right under a compressed Con & Ref that doesn't feel acknowledged in Gov. Reform has massive momentum and Labour will let it explode if they don't deal with it.
But how? Nobody seems to have a realistic plan for dealing with it.
Labour can't out right Farage because Reform can move even more right.
Why vote for a right wing Labour party when you can vote for the real thing.
We do need to know why people voted for Reform. Was it,
(a) A vote for Farage.
(b) A vote for Reform policies.
or (c) A pure protest vote against both Conservative and Labour.
That needs to be understood before any Tory lurch right, OR any greater media attention on Reform. I believe the true vote for Farage and Reform policies is only about 10%.
I keep hearing that reform voters are far right nazis, the media say it, all the parties say it, so why are labour not talking about building prison camps and rounding them all up, if they are that dangerous?
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@@carolyndarragh1891 letting the planet burn and making Muslims feel unwelcome in their own country? Yeah, no doubt millions voted for that plus an inevitable private health care ala the USA.
Many protest votes by Tories and harder left voters
@@Nemothewonderfishharder left?
Thank you.
A big majority on 34%.......that means they need to deliver otherwise that majority will disappear at the next GE. And Starmer has pledged not to change very much. We have some hard years ahead with these tories in charge.
Exactly
I think Tony Blair has played a big part behind the scenes in mentoring Saint IKEA Starmer on how to win. It seems that Labour are now The Conservatives and The Conservatives are secret Liberal/ Labour MP's.
Reform can never win or the Tories, the vote is split, both Tories and reform hate each other. Labour are in for good, they can do what they want.
@@leehighland5435 I predicted that once Labour are "in" they will never be "out". Also Labour want to introduce voting for 16 year olds so possibly over another million votes for them.
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That's not including all the extra millions of immigrants coming our way, who will vote labour.
35% of the vote, 65% of the seats. Yet another indicator that the word democracy does not apply to the UK. Will Labour do the honourable thing and ditch FPTP for PR? Not a chance. Power is intoxicatingly addictive.
Appreciations and thanks from Aus. You both did a really good job on channel 4. 👍🏻👍🏻
Isn't at least part of the reason for Labour's low share the tactical voting that has helped the LibDems to 72 seats?
It's raining, I've got a headache and I've still got to go to work but on the plus side I at least have new bosses from today and the Tories are GONE!!!
So good........
With a piss-poor 34% vote share....that's no mandate.
You will also in the not too distant future, have another headache with Sir Kneel's loveless landslide & so enjoy your singing in the rain today....
Mad that the reformbots are still up now it's over, guess Russia is gonna keep paying nige regardless
What is the one thing about Keir Starmer that makes you most happy he is now leading the UK? ( Please don't answer the obvious "he is not a Tory" )
@@ianclose123 same things that sunak stood up in front of the whole country and immediately abandoned. honesty, integrity and transparency
A bit silly calling Farage 'far-right' when both Labour and the Tories made immigration an issue in their campaigns also. Someone switches on a kettle these days and they're far-right - time for a re-definition of terms?
A war criminal referring to patriots as "far right" - has he looked in the mirror.
A shame the C4 coverage was immediately made private and only available on 4OD in parts given how invasive that site is. As far as I can tell they were the only ones to show Jess Phillip's entire acceptance speech and what she had to deal with.
I don’t understand how it is a landslide if the majority party picked up just 1-2% more votes as compared to the last election. Britain didn’t become more pro Labour but outright anti Tory. Reform seems to be single most important reason for Labour‘s success in terms of seats.
If Labour don't give people something to actively vote for, a realignment on the Right will give us a Neofascist government not too far down the line. Given the complete collapse of the Tory vote Starmer's failure to pick up virtually any of is abysmal.
The "Left" are really frightening to me.