7...years ago...youtube still was pretty nice. Watching these old vids is like being in a cozy living room at home with some hot coco. What have i done with my life in that time..
I own one of these Dark Terrors and it really is my favorite gigging amp. I have a 112 cab and a 412. Lifelong Peavey user here. I'll always have 2 of the DT amps. One as a backup. It has great tone, weighs NOTHING, and I remember getting giggles from other bands when I first played a show with this. Put it through a 412. When I started playing, the laughs turned into surprised open mouths. You seriously don't NEED anything else.
Hi sorry but the Captain is the boss and a blues guy, so Chapman can get heavy, and is a better player, I too get frustrated by Lee because he tends to be overbearing towards Rob and makes adjustments and often talks over him in the videos and really again doesn't know how to set up a good heavy sound. If they could make videos without him it would improve the harder sounds and the features would be truer to what they should be. Just my opinion, no hate towards Lee. After all without Lee, no videos or gear to demo.
The Orange Micro Dark goes for right at $190 here and the Piranha is $180. I think the Orange blows the Piranha away. I own one and regularly use it through a 2x12. I have no disappointments with the Orange, but I think I'd be pissed if I'd bought the Piranha. It just sounds so thin. Off topic, I'd like to make a suggestion - a blind super Strat challenge. Do like you've done in the past comparing Les Pauls and SGs, but compare a bunch of super Strats from various manufacturers at similar price points. Say a Charvel Pro Mod, an ESP, an Ibanez Iron Series, a Jackson Soloist, a Schecter C-1, etc. Say they're all within $100 +/- of each other and then do a blind shootout where you rate them on sound, playability and which you prefer overall.
halffulltome Oh but I am a charcoal guy so I can't agree on that point. I prefer tasting the heat with the meat. But then again, I'm a Texan so Hank rules by default.
Future fight: Orange Micro Dark with 1x8 cab, vs. Crush 20rt 1x8 combo amp. In America, the Micro w/cab comes out around $300, the Crush is ~$200. Wonder if the extra 100 is worth it, or pro/con of features.
I have the crush 20 and crush 20 LDX which have different signal paths before the fx... they both are damn good sounding amps. I've modified both to have an external speaker output that switches out the internal speaker, and through a 4x12 they both sound fantastic.
I have the micro dark and the crush 35rt. Imo, tube wins. Just sounds better. The 35rt isn't bad by any means, but the micro dark just rips. It's great.
Through the speaker yes but don't plug it into the guitar input on the front of the amp. The preamp section of your combo wont be sufficient load for your head and the output from the head may damage the components in your combo.
Yeah together that was surprising and fun. I wonder how much those small 8 inch cabs and heads together cost. I know both cabs are 300 pounds. In USA orange is fairly affordable and quality.
The difference is night and day for me. The Orange is like giving a rock guitarist a tube screamer mini (well priced but still really good) whereas the Peavey is more like a rock guitarist with a Miku
the reason why the piranha sounds so shitty is cuz Lee scooped it WAY too much. at 7:08 it sounded like crap..then he turned the knob to the right and at 7:13 it sounded much better...but then he turned it back the other way. Please let Rabea or Rob dial in the metal tones. Lee doesn't know what he is doing
Completely agree. I've seen other reviews of that Piranha and it sounds brilliant. For the record I like them both for different reasons, but again the Piranha wasn't given a fair crack at it
With their own cabs, I honestly didn't think either one was better or worse. Definitely different sounds, but both quite good. The piranha hit the drop d chuggas better. Once you had the 2x12, orange was the clear winner.... Though the half a sec where the eq was up on the piranha did sound very nice. Both together was definitely awesome.
I have the Orange amp and cab! the cab was 100. dollars here in the southern U.S., AND the amp was 169 dollar's! I paid 79 dollar's for the cab! enjoyed your video! thank you!
The Orange sounds much fuller and richer, but won't be enough for an "ultra metal" sound And they managed to get a quite decent Metal sound with the Piranha in the end.
I keep hearing the Piranha sound good with that notch knob at about twelve o'clock (five?); but he keeps backing it off a ton, and it sounds really thin. The reason it doesn't have much low end that way, is because the notch cuts out the highs and lows.
Andrew Azr I ever catch u making fun of peavey products like this again you sorry POS, & I will personally serve you up a pile of dog shit.... and you gonna eat every bit of it, BOY! 😡
My main amp is a Peavey 6505+ 1x12 combo with an Orange PPC 2x12 extension cab. I picked up a brand new Orange Micro Dark for $150 just to match my cab and it is surprisingly awesome. It's not the best sounding amp ever, but for a $150 practice amp, I couldn't ask for more.
First ever side by side gear test that I can say that one is objectively better than the other, Orange FTW. The Peavey (and I am a Peavey fan) sounds like my 5 watt harmony practice amp I got when I was 11. Edit: Ok, both on at the same time is RAD. And... Peavey through the 2x12 sounds like sweaty ass.
The Peavey in America is $179.99 and the Orange is $189.00. Got the prices from Guitar Center. I think that the Orange sounds great for hard rock tones but the Peavey for more Metal tones. When they are put together they sound amazing. If some company did a mix between the two i think they would make a lot of money off of it.
The Micro dark killed it, I own one myself and actually its a fantastic little amp, not too great with pedals but for jamming volume and cost alone...it's f'ing amazing.
Agreed, if I am sitting with a strap it just slides down my shoulder and gets in the way. I only use a strap while standing (which for me is pretty rare).
I use it because when I'm recording and watching the screen I don't want the guitar falling off my hands. Now I have many guitars, too little straps, and I get lots of jump scares when I'm focused on the computer screen and my angels slide off my hands.
Orange kills it!!! So glad I own one. Here in my local American shop, the Orange was $189 and the cab $99, while the Peavey is like $159 and no idea on the cab
Both sound terrible through those cabs. I don't even know why they make real amp cabinets with speakers smaller than 10 inch. It works for modeling amps like a Yamaha THR, but any real amp through a tiny speaker sounds like a tin can.
The Yamaha has some trickery in it to make it sound....pretty huge, if you've got it infront of you. I've got the THR10X. Considering that Yamaha own Line 6, I often wonder why they don't pass down at least a little sound tech. The THR amps sound ridiculously good...if they stuck some of that tech into a Line 6 Spider, it'd at least be a viable choice, give the competition a good kicking and probably sell a shittonne more. Maybe it's 'cause there's a THR head, too?
Nic Wilson I think where Yamaha got it right is treating the THR amp like a mini PA or boom box. It models the speakers, cab, amp, and effects, and then you determine what volume you want to come out of the neutral mini stereo PA speakers. Guitar amp speakers are very different and have a distinct voicing. Which is desireable in a big 4x12 cab to make the tone more focused to cut in a band mix, but when you apply those same speaker qualities to a little < 8 inch speaker it doesn't really work anymore. It just sounds tiny and muddy.
I thought the smaller modelling amps did that too these days? They have full range drivers and use cab sim, pedals, and what not, too. The Yamaha just uses two small speakers and some clever physical design to project the sound. The rest is in their hardware and software.
Not just the speakers, but the processing itself. Yamaha own Line 6, so what I was wondering was why don't they at least give Line 6 a little hand? The THR sounds awesome, I understand they wouldn't want to give all that tech to Line 6 and have an incredible sounding Spider model, but they could at least give them a little hand...aahhh, I don't know
I think that the Peavey configuration is trying to produce a heavy drive metally sound, but it doesn't work well without something like a bigger cab. In the configurations set up in this video, the Orange sounds slightly louder and less muffled.
*Here is, what i can say about work with the orange "micro dark" and by using a distortion/overdrive pedal:* I use the micro dark with a t-rex "mudhoney 2" making it a "3-channel-amp" and "fine-tuned" the over-all sound with a boss eq-7 ( which aside form "eq-ing" also gives me the opportunity to boost all three sounds...) and - what sounds really fantastic! - a t-rex "playback" delay, which has the interesting specific trait to make your sound much "warmer" and much more "full" when you slightly reduce the "delay"-knob ( .... which regulates the intensity of the echo signal) a little bit below 12 o'clock ( the volume of the echo-signal gets a bit lower, but the main signal - as being said - gets more warmth and richness). All that thru a orange 4x12"" cabinet with celestion "vintage 30ties"!! I honestly can say, that i took a few days to test out the different sound components work best together, but i finally got a UNBELIEVABLE versatile sound from ultra-clean over to full, rich and "bluesey" crunch, a warm, melodic "gary moore"-like lead-overdrive up to crushing, biting metal distortion - *all that for the price of a single, big "big brand" amp head!!* I use all for home recording, band rehearsal room and small gigs - and it works fantastic!! Test it by yourself!! You'll be surprised!! ROCK ON!! Lincoln Six Echo
I love it when Rob starts playing that Catalyst riff It's become one of the main reasons I watch the gear demos. Way to go Rob! Sick riff!\m/ Lots of love
What do you mean out of phase? Do you mean it sounds thin or what because scientifically if you were to hear one note you can't hear whether the sound is in phase and out of phase. The sine waves are spinning at at least 400 times per second you can't hear if it is in phase or out of phase and besides of it is just the amp running by itself so there is no phase cancellation so I think you just mean it sounded thin
no I mean it sounded out of phase. I use 2 mics when micing Amps, and if they sound thin, or lack of bass, that normally means out of phase, in other words, the waves hit each capsule at different times, causing lack of bass and hollow tone. maybe Lee knocked the mic accidentally.
Here, in the US, the "street price" for the Orange Micro Dark in the US is $190 USD. The matching speaker is $99 USD. The Peavey Piranha sells for $180 USD, and its matching speaker is $100 USD, but, in some places, they can be bought as a package for just over $250 USD. Reviews from purchasers here seem to favor the Orange, while it is expressed that the 6505 Piranha falls short in tone compared to its big 6505 brothers.
The problem are the cabs. Both amps are decent especially fot the price (I prefer micro dark btw) but with those little cabs...with 2x12 v30 (harley benton with a little mod by me) the micro dark sound really close to the dark terror (amp that I use for many years).
It just shows that when you put two different countries together, they create something better than just being alone. Such as life. Intriguing analogy!
I just got the Peavey to play with. While I won’t say I hate it, the tone is soooooo thin. It sounds like a little 5w beginner practice amp regardless of what I push it through (MB 412, Marshall 412, Bugera 412). I think this one will be on Reverb before the week is out.
I replaced the 12AX7 inside the MD after reading about a much clearer sound throughout the gain spectrum, and what an outstanding result! This is a great little amp and it does sound awesome out of the box, however after replacing the stock tube with a new Mullard tube, the amp really came alive. I ran it pushing a 4x12 cab for some friends and other guitarist and everyone was 😍. One of them even bought one. FYI for eventual buyers, experiment with different tubes. Cheers
My mates recently built a rig with an Orange Dark Terror And Peavey 6505 mini with a Bugera 4x12, customised with 2 seperate inputs, Orange is plugged into 2 of the Speakers which are Creambacks and the Peavey is plugged into the other 2 which are vintage 30’s absolutely crushing tone
Dude, at 12 oclock the Orange had more bottom but the Piranha definitely had a tasty, more midrange sound that works really well for cutting through in mixes [same deal with the 5150]. But that's just how it sounds on my speakers and through youtube. Thanks for the comparison video!!! Wouldn't mind hearing an Orange in person one day.
I have a Micro Dark but only had it at low volumes through its 118 cab (due to living in a flat with neighbours above and below) but will be taking it into the studio next week to put it through its paces in a 1960a Marshall 4x12 and I can't wait. I have a few gain pedals to stick in front and a few reverb/delay pedals to put through the effects loop. From this video the Orange blows the dead fish out the water for me and im glad I got the Orange
I love Peavey and was so stoked when they came out with the piranha, but in every video I've seen it sounds terrible. I love the 6505mh though, hopefully soon they tweak the micro head to get it up to par.
I had the same dilemma for an amp for home recording and found the Orange range more suitable and affordable, so I ended up buying Orange and have no complaints with it.
If I had to compare sound, I’d say it’s like Jim Root is the Orange and Mick Thomson is Peavy. Two very different sounds but together they work really well together. Here in Australia you can pick up the piranha and cab for $300 Aus and the Micro dark and cab for $500 plus.
Great review Men, i just ordered me an Orange micro Dark and i knew they were great little heads, i had the micro terror, and loved it, so your video was spot on time and im more pleased now that i got the Micro Dark on its way, thanks, you guys are Awesome..Cheers
Treble booster into the Orange would probably sound better than the Piranha, but get into similar territory. Plus you could turn the booster off or on for rhythm and lead sounds respectively.
When you were dialing in a tone on the Peavey, it started to sound good...and then you switched back to the Orange and you realised that it was actually kinda...awful. The Orange just sounds much more 'natural', and the Peavey kinda sounds like a cheapy distortion 'metal' pedal with the gain cranked. This was much more evident when you switched to the big cab....and which one has making so much bloody hiss? If you wanted to play metal and have it tight, you could use the money you saved buying the Orange to then buy a Tubescreamer, a TS9 Mini or similar and achieve that and much much more...so I honestly, in my opinion, can't see much reason to go for the Peavey over the Orange. It's a one-trick pony, a slightly braindead pony with 3 legs and 1 eye :p
I have no idea what they did to make it sound so horrible in this video, but when I tried the Piranha in person it really sounded and felt great! Not the best sound in the world, but it was quite reminiscent of a 6505 which is the whole point of it. I love the Micro Dark as well, but I don't think the Piranha deserves the hate its getting. I encourage you all to try one in person.
At the 10:37 mark, and I have been swayed towards the Orange. It has a fuller tone at almost every setting. I'm kinda wondering what the effects would be if you placed it in the effects loop of a larger amp as a pre-amp to the pedalboard... or even as a pre-amp just going to the input of a larger amp, say a 60 or 100 watt amp.
I think I'm in love with that PRS S2... Also - kudos to you, Rob, for the little hajime in the beginning of the video. I heard it for years and years of training before I blew my knee out, and it gave me a little smile to hear it again. On topic of the amps, though, honestly I prefer my Blackstar ID:Core over both.
The Micro Dark head:$190 Orange cab: $100 The whole rig: $290 Peavey head: $180 Peavey cab: $100 Whole rig: $280 Between the two I'd spend the extra ten dollars and get the Orange, Every day.
Throwing a tube screamer on the Orange fills in where the Peavy is lacking. It sounds much more full throated and adds the driving mids that makes the Orange a true terror.
In Germany, these two have next to no price difference. The Orange is 181€, while the Peavey is 182€. Personally, I prefer the Orange by a wide margin.
I wonder how it would be to have an orange fighting a piranha in real life
The orange stomps the piranha easily.
dsfadsfgafgf Or it could just juice all over the piranhas eyes
Chuck berry
the oranges acidity would kill the piranha in minutes...it would be like seppuko
Orange has more zest. Peavey has more pee.
I liked the Orange, Usually Peavey makes some fine products, but that Piranha is one dead fish.
JH Scofield Haha! You don't come by great puns easy lol
I know right! That Piranha just didn't have much bite. The Orange sounded way more juicy, and has an all round shape of tone.
The Peavey is too bland, Orange has more color to it.
The Piranha sounds like you'd find it floating belly up in the fish tank one fine morning ..... Choked to death by an Orange ^_^
Savage
That Peavey just ain't right.
They had the EQ as thin as it could go on the big cab while comparing it to a thick Orange amp. So yeah, it sounded awful compared to the Orange.
It isn't as hot as propane or propane accessories
7...years ago...youtube still was pretty nice. Watching these old vids is like being in a cozy living room at home with some hot coco. What have i done with my life in that time..
I own one of these Dark Terrors and it really is my favorite gigging amp. I have a 112 cab and a 412. Lifelong Peavey user here. I'll always have 2 of the DT amps. One as a backup. It has great tone, weighs NOTHING, and I remember getting giggles from other bands when I first played a show with this. Put it through a 412. When I started playing, the laughs turned into surprised open mouths. You seriously don't NEED anything else.
Anyone else remember when the Captain was allowed to play?
In a galaxy long time ago far far away...
C'mon Chaps, let him play!!
somebody is getting too big for his britches I believe?
He's just too awesome. Do you want your face melted off? I mean, Rob comes close, but nothing plastic surgery can't fix...
Hi sorry but the Captain is the boss and a blues guy, so Chapman can get heavy, and is a better player, I too get frustrated by Lee because he tends to be overbearing towards Rob and makes adjustments and often talks over him in the videos and really again doesn't know how to set up a good heavy sound. If they could make videos without him it would improve the harder sounds and the features would be truer to what they should be. Just my opinion, no hate towards Lee. After all without Lee, no videos or gear to demo.
ORANGE ALL THE WAY!
It has a stronger roar to it. It sounds less muddy and it sounds way nicer!
The Micro Dark sounds phenomenal! the Piranha sounds like an overprocessed "insane" setting. Orange for the win!
Such a perfect description
@@brandonharris9160 Thanks :D
The Orange Micro Dark goes for right at $190 here and the Piranha is $180. I think the Orange blows the Piranha away. I own one and regularly use it through a 2x12. I have no disappointments with the Orange, but I think I'd be pissed if I'd bought the Piranha. It just sounds so thin.
Off topic, I'd like to make a suggestion - a blind super Strat challenge. Do like you've done in the past comparing Les Pauls and SGs, but compare a bunch of super Strats from various manufacturers at similar price points. Say a Charvel Pro Mod, an ESP, an Ibanez Iron Series, a Jackson Soloist, a Schecter C-1, etc. Say they're all within $100 +/- of each other and then do a blind shootout where you rate them on sound, playability and which you prefer overall.
Peavey for dat girthy AM-radio toan
When will Chappers and the Captian acknowledge Hank Hill's brilliance.
The 4E Odd. I was wondering the same thing.
I think it will have to be preceded by their admission of propane's superiority as an outdoor cooking fuel over charcoal.
halffulltome Oh but I am a charcoal guy so I can't agree on that point. I prefer tasting the heat with the meat. But then again, I'm a Texan so Hank rules by default.
+Kenneth Norris. Personally I prefer charcoal also. Hank, have mercy on my soul. 🙏😇
Future fight: Orange Micro Dark with 1x8 cab, vs. Crush 20rt 1x8 combo amp. In America, the Micro w/cab comes out around $300, the Crush is ~$200. Wonder if the extra 100 is worth it, or pro/con of features.
I have the crush 20 and crush 20 LDX which have different signal paths before the fx... they both are damn good sounding amps. I've modified both to have an external speaker output that switches out the internal speaker, and through a 4x12 they both sound fantastic.
I have the micro dark and the crush 35rt. Imo, tube wins. Just sounds better. The 35rt isn't bad by any means, but the micro dark just rips. It's great.
@@jleighwolfethe micro dark with 1x8"?
I just got the Orange so I'm biased! But in all honesty, I think the Orange sounds better to me.
Could I plug a micro amp into a combo amp?
preetsidoodle It's not plug and play, you'd have to do a bit of modification to the combo. It's fairly easy and uncomplicated though.
Through the speaker yes but don't plug it into the guitar input on the front of the amp. The preamp section of your combo wont be sufficient load for your head and the output from the head may damage the components in your combo.
+FunkyMunky1137 FX send of the head into FX return of the combo.
my prediction based on hearing both before...orange wins
EDIT: yup
they sound awesome together tho
Jeffrey Robinson u
Yeah together that was surprising and fun. I wonder how much those small 8 inch cabs and heads together cost. I know both cabs are 300 pounds. In USA orange is fairly affordable and quality.
The Orange wins it for me. The Peavey sounds like a tortoise going through a bandsaw.
colblimp Lol 😂 😂😂 that’s so wrong.
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Accurate
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the Peavey is awful
never killed a fish with fruit. but i think you guys have.
alex drop a watermelon on a bluegill
Peavey needs to rework this amp. They would be better off making a 20W peavey bandit Transtube mini-head.
OMG... I would love to see that.
It entered as the Piranha but left as a guppy.
The difference is night and day for me. The Orange is like giving a rock guitarist a tube screamer mini (well priced but still really good) whereas the Peavey is more like a rock guitarist with a Miku
The Orange is better by far! Massive amount of good tonal nutrients. That lil Peavey sounds like a nasty, poisonous bite of fizz.
That Orange Micro Dark blows the Peavey out of water. No contest here.
the reason why the piranha sounds so shitty is cuz Lee scooped it WAY too much. at 7:08 it sounded like crap..then he turned the knob to the right and at 7:13 it sounded much better...but then he turned it back the other way. Please let Rabea or Rob dial in the metal tones. Lee doesn't know what he is doing
yeah, thought of that aswell..
Obstsalat95 he has a noticeable habit of doing that with American amps...does he know we all grew out of that phase 20 years ago?
Drove me mad. Every time it started sounding good he turned it back again.. Did he ever turn it past 9 o'clock?
I totally agree, Obstsalat95
Completely agree. I've seen other reviews of that Piranha and it sounds brilliant. For the record I like them both for different reasons, but again the Piranha wasn't given a fair crack at it
The piranha just sounds unbelievably compressed, yet the orange sounds like it can really stretch its legs, open up, and belt it out!
Sounds like we're hearing the Peavey through a phone.
Harry Muff or a computer whichever one you’re using to watch this video
With their own cabs, I honestly didn't think either one was better or worse. Definitely different sounds, but both quite good. The piranha hit the drop d chuggas better. Once you had the 2x12, orange was the clear winner.... Though the half a sec where the eq was up on the piranha did sound very nice. Both together was definitely awesome.
I have the Orange amp and cab! the cab was 100. dollars here in the southern U.S., AND the amp was 169 dollar's! I paid 79 dollar's for the cab! enjoyed your video! thank you!
that peavey sounds terrible.
like a box of shits
that's an insult to boxes of shits everywhere
To my ears the bit more squashed
Stephen H. its very shrill and thin sounding, specially when compared to the orange
Gaseous Snake i call it hollow but yeah it's bad regardless.
The Peavey sounds like I'm hearing it in an empty metal shipping container. So shrill and metallic.
Do the JCM800 2203 vs Mesa Dual Rec or Silver Jubilee vs Orange Rockerverb
I know this video is about the amps but I can't stop staring at that PRS Rob is playing.
PRS S2 Standard Satin Singlecut. Beautiful
The Orange sounds much fuller and richer, but won't be enough for an "ultra metal" sound
And they managed to get a quite decent Metal sound with the Piranha in the end.
I keep hearing the Piranha sound good with that notch knob at about twelve o'clock (five?); but he keeps backing it off a ton, and it sounds really thin. The reason it doesn't have much low end that way, is because the notch cuts out the highs and lows.
They all do that! Every youtuber reviewing amplifiers, turns the tone knob to the perfect sound, then ruins it.
20 mnts of Rob and Lee trying hard not to admit that the piranha sounds like absolute dog shit lol
Andrew Azr I ever catch u making fun of peavey products like this again you sorry POS, & I will personally serve you up a pile of dog shit.... and you gonna eat every bit of it, BOY! 😡
awww you seem butthurt, isn't that too bad. Btw peavey is shit
@@aimes3647 lol
Thank you! for a year I have been torn between both of them. I am going to get the orange!
I don't really like negative comments, but man, that Peavey sounds like shit. The Orange sounded pretty good to me YMMV
The sound of both together was freaking huge!
The two amps are just made for each other; they're tonemates :')
My main amp is a Peavey 6505+ 1x12 combo with an Orange PPC 2x12 extension cab. I picked up a brand new Orange Micro Dark for $150 just to match my cab and it is surprisingly awesome. It's not the best sounding amp ever, but for a $150 practice amp, I couldn't ask for more.
Damn that sounded real fucking nice together
the peavey sounds really tinny, the orange has a much fuller tone to me, I need that low end
First ever side by side gear test that I can say that one is objectively better than the other, Orange FTW. The Peavey (and I am a Peavey fan) sounds like my 5 watt harmony practice amp I got when I was 11.
Edit: Ok, both on at the same time is RAD. And... Peavey through the 2x12 sounds like sweaty ass.
The Peavey in America is $179.99 and the Orange is $189.00. Got the prices from Guitar Center. I think that the Orange sounds great for hard rock tones but the Peavey for more Metal tones. When they are put together they sound amazing. If some company did a mix between the two i think they would make a lot of money off of it.
The Peavey sounds like it's being played out of an old am radio.
The Micro dark killed it, I own one myself and actually its a fantastic little amp, not too great with pedals but for jamming volume and cost alone...it's f'ing amazing.
I don't know what you guys like, but I don't like to use a strap when I'm on a chair, it's so annoying
Agreed, if I am sitting with a strap it just slides down my shoulder and gets in the way. I only use a strap while standing (which for me is pretty rare).
Josh W
Wow man! I'm too lazy to put a strap any time I'm playing
Roberto Canchola ZINC098 Do you gig?
Ben S14787 I play on the church bro
I use it because when I'm recording and watching the screen I don't want the guitar falling off my hands. Now I have many guitars, too little straps, and I get lots of jump scares when I'm focused on the computer screen and my angels slide off my hands.
Orange kills it!!! So glad I own one. Here in my local American shop, the Orange was $189 and the cab $99, while the Peavey is like $159 and no idea on the cab
Both sound terrible through those cabs. I don't even know why they make real amp cabinets with speakers smaller than 10 inch. It works for modeling amps like a Yamaha THR, but any real amp through a tiny speaker sounds like a tin can.
The Yamaha has some trickery in it to make it sound....pretty huge, if you've got it infront of you. I've got the THR10X.
Considering that Yamaha own Line 6, I often wonder why they don't pass down at least a little sound tech. The THR amps sound ridiculously good...if they stuck some of that tech into a Line 6 Spider, it'd at least be a viable choice, give the competition a good kicking and probably sell a shittonne more.
Maybe it's 'cause there's a THR head, too?
Nic Wilson I think where Yamaha got it right is treating the THR amp like a mini PA or boom box. It models the speakers, cab, amp, and effects, and then you determine what volume you want to come out of the neutral mini stereo PA speakers. Guitar amp speakers are very different and have a distinct voicing. Which is desireable in a big 4x12 cab to make the tone more focused to cut in a band mix, but when you apply those same speaker qualities to a little < 8 inch speaker it doesn't really work anymore. It just sounds tiny and muddy.
I thought the smaller modelling amps did that too these days? They have full range drivers and use cab sim, pedals, and what not, too. The Yamaha just uses two small speakers and some clever physical design to project the sound. The rest is in their hardware and software.
Nic Wilson Well yeah, whatever yamaha is doing with their speakers Line 6 needs to follow suit.
Not just the speakers, but the processing itself. Yamaha own Line 6, so what I was wondering was why don't they at least give Line 6 a little hand? The THR sounds awesome, I understand they wouldn't want to give all that tech to Line 6 and have an incredible sounding Spider model, but they could at least give them a little hand...aahhh, I don't know
I think that the Peavey configuration is trying to produce a heavy drive metally sound, but it doesn't work well without something like a bigger cab. In the configurations set up in this video, the Orange sounds slightly louder and less muffled.
ever heard of double tracking? the peavey sounds like its half tracked
*Here is, what i can say about work with the orange "micro dark" and by using a distortion/overdrive pedal:* I use the micro dark with a t-rex "mudhoney 2" making it a "3-channel-amp" and "fine-tuned" the over-all sound with a boss eq-7 ( which aside form "eq-ing" also gives me the opportunity to boost all three sounds...) and - what sounds really fantastic! - a t-rex "playback" delay, which has the interesting specific trait to make your sound much "warmer" and much more "full" when you slightly reduce the "delay"-knob ( .... which regulates the intensity of the echo signal) a little bit below 12 o'clock ( the volume of the echo-signal gets a bit lower, but the main signal - as being said - gets more warmth and richness). All that thru a orange 4x12"" cabinet with celestion "vintage 30ties"!!
I honestly can say, that i took a few days to test out the different sound components work best together, but i finally got a UNBELIEVABLE versatile sound from ultra-clean over to full, rich and "bluesey" crunch, a warm, melodic "gary moore"-like lead-overdrive up to crushing, biting metal distortion - *all that for the price of a single, big "big brand" amp head!!*
I use all for home recording, band rehearsal room and small gigs - and it works fantastic!!
Test it by yourself!! You'll be surprised!!
ROCK ON!!
Lincoln Six Echo
was the audio messed up today?? or are my ears dying? :-)
I love it when Rob starts playing that Catalyst riff
It's become one of the main reasons I watch the gear demos.
Way to go Rob! Sick riff!\m/
Lots of love
That Peavey sounded horrible, almost as if it was out of phase.
neun Arme I can assure you, I checked that!
*****
Damned! So it's the amp, it sucks.
I think the Peavey mini cab has one of the captain's socks in it.
And it can't really drive much bigger cabs, it seems.
What do you mean out of phase? Do you mean it sounds thin or what because scientifically if you were to hear one note you can't hear whether the sound is in phase and out of phase. The sine waves are spinning at at least 400 times per second you can't hear if it is in phase or out of phase and besides of it is just the amp running by itself so there is no phase cancellation so I think you just mean it sounded thin
no I mean it sounded out of phase. I use 2 mics when micing Amps, and if they sound thin, or lack of bass, that normally means out of phase, in other words, the waves hit each capsule at different times, causing lack of bass and hollow tone. maybe Lee knocked the mic accidentally.
Here, in the US, the "street price" for the Orange Micro Dark in the US is $190 USD. The matching speaker is $99 USD. The Peavey Piranha sells for $180 USD, and its matching speaker is $100 USD, but, in some places, they can be bought as a package for just over $250 USD. Reviews from purchasers here seem to favor the Orange, while it is expressed that the 6505 Piranha falls short in tone compared to its big 6505 brothers.
The problem are the cabs. Both amps are decent especially fot the price (I prefer micro dark btw) but with those little cabs...with 2x12 v30 (harley benton with a little mod by me) the micro dark sound really close to the dark terror (amp that I use for many years).
It just shows that when you put two different countries together, they create something better than just being alone. Such as life. Intriguing analogy!
The orange has deep rich sound and the peavey sounds like a tin of beans
I just got the Peavey to play with. While I won’t say I hate it, the tone is soooooo thin. It sounds like a little 5w beginner practice amp regardless of what I push it through (MB 412, Marshall 412, Bugera 412).
I think this one will be on Reverb before the week is out.
Definitely, the orange sounded much better.
I replaced the 12AX7 inside the MD after reading about a much clearer sound throughout the gain spectrum, and what an outstanding result! This is a great little amp and it does sound awesome out of the box, however after replacing the stock tube with a new Mullard tube, the amp really came alive. I ran it pushing a 4x12 cab for some friends and other guitarist and everyone was 😍. One of them even bought one. FYI for eventual buyers, experiment with different tubes. Cheers
Thank you. Mines coming in the mail today
¿What tube did you use?
@@brayanlara3289 A Mullard 12AX7
@@danielbertola7868 ¡Thank you! i will try it
Didn't like either. The Orange sounded muffled, the Peavey sounded thin.
My mates recently built a rig with an Orange Dark Terror And Peavey 6505 mini with a Bugera 4x12, customised with 2 seperate inputs, Orange is plugged into 2 of the Speakers which are Creambacks and the Peavey is plugged into the other 2 which are vintage 30’s
absolutely crushing tone
You guys purposely scooped all the mids out of the piranha which makes it sound puny.
nicethugbert they both only have 1 eq knob. the peavey has extreme changes from each side of the eq.
bucketheadrox
That's does not dispute what I said. You can hear it for yourself when Lee briefly turns the Piranha's eq knob.
nicethugbert Im not disputing I'm saying why it scoops so hard.
nicethugbert
The Peavey sounded puny from the start when the EQ was at 12 o clock.
Dude, at 12 oclock the Orange had more bottom but the Piranha definitely had a tasty, more midrange sound that works really well for cutting through in mixes [same deal with the 5150]. But that's just how it sounds on my speakers and through youtube. Thanks for the comparison video!!! Wouldn't mind hearing an Orange in person one day.
By themselves, the Orange sound is FAR superior, but in a mix, the Peavy might work. It really depends on how you use it.
I have a Micro Dark but only had it at low volumes through its 118 cab (due to living in a flat with neighbours above and below) but will be taking it into the studio next week to put it through its paces in a 1960a Marshall 4x12 and I can't wait. I have a few gain pedals to stick in front and a few reverb/delay pedals to put through the effects loop. From this video the Orange blows the dead fish out the water for me and im glad I got the Orange
It sounds immense when they played both micros together
Prices are very different in Canada. The Peavey averages around $199 and the Orange $289. That's just for the heads alone.
Orange all the way. ALL THE WAY
I love Peavey and was so stoked when they came out with the piranha, but in every video I've seen it sounds terrible. I love the 6505mh though, hopefully soon they tweak the micro head to get it up to par.
Holy shit, what the fuck. I didn't even need headphones to hear the difference.
I had the same dilemma for an amp for home recording and found the Orange range more suitable and affordable, so I ended up buying Orange and have no complaints with it.
that peavey is as far from a 6505 as a piranha is from a goldfish
The price of the Orange over here in the US is $189 vs $179.99 for the Peavey.
Easily the Orange is superior.
If I had to compare sound, I’d say it’s like Jim Root is the Orange and Mick Thomson is Peavy. Two very different sounds but together they work really well together.
Here in Australia you can pick up the piranha and cab for $300 Aus and the Micro dark and cab for $500 plus.
Every time I see a PRS I want one
In the US, the Micro Dark costs $189.99 and the piranha is $179.99. So only $10 more for the orange. Both cabs cost $99.99
BOTH mixed together - that was awesome sound!
Great review Men, i just ordered me an Orange micro Dark and i knew they were great little heads, i had the micro terror, and loved it, so your video was spot on time and im more pleased now that i got the Micro Dark on its way, thanks, you guys are Awesome..Cheers
Peavey sounds like an am radio
Yep, together is pretty darn good. Wonder what happens if you start changing out the tubes....?
A Piranha is useless against scurvy...... YARRRR!!!!!
Von Ungarn Siegfried hahaha well said captain !
Treble booster into the Orange would probably sound better than the Piranha, but get into similar territory. Plus you could turn the booster off or on for rhythm and lead sounds respectively.
That peavey sounds like its coming out of a coffee can.
the middle Knob on the PV needed ta be turned up but i believe your love for Orange/UK pushed your decision !
Didn't care for either of them.
Together? hoooooly mackerel. That's a hell of a sound.
!!!!! 7:15 Lee why did you scoop all the mids out of the peavy?... it sounded fuller with the mids turned up.
When you were dialing in a tone on the Peavey, it started to sound good...and then you switched back to the Orange and you realised that it was actually kinda...awful. The Orange just sounds much more 'natural', and the Peavey kinda sounds like a cheapy distortion 'metal' pedal with the gain cranked.
This was much more evident when you switched to the big cab....and which one has making so much bloody hiss?
If you wanted to play metal and have it tight, you could use the money you saved buying the Orange to then buy a Tubescreamer, a TS9 Mini or similar and achieve that and much much more...so I honestly, in my opinion, can't see much reason to go for the Peavey over the Orange.
It's a one-trick pony, a slightly braindead pony with 3 legs and 1 eye :p
I have no idea what they did to make it sound so horrible in this video, but when I tried the Piranha in person it really sounded and felt great! Not the best sound in the world, but it was quite reminiscent of a 6505 which is the whole point of it. I love the Micro Dark as well, but I don't think the Piranha deserves the hate its getting. I encourage you all to try one in person.
The Orange sounded like shit when rob cranked it through that 8 inch speaker.
At the 10:37 mark, and I have been swayed towards the Orange. It has a fuller tone at almost every setting. I'm kinda wondering what the effects would be if you placed it in the effects loop of a larger amp as a pre-amp to the pedalboard... or even as a pre-amp just going to the input of a larger amp, say a 60 or 100 watt amp.
this two amps together are killahhhhh!
I think I'm in love with that PRS S2... Also - kudos to you, Rob, for the little hajime in the beginning of the video. I heard it for years and years of training before I blew my knee out, and it gave me a little smile to hear it again. On topic of the amps, though, honestly I prefer my Blackstar ID:Core over both.
The Micro Dark head:$190
Orange cab: $100
The whole rig: $290
Peavey head: $180
Peavey cab: $100
Whole rig: $280
Between the two I'd spend the extra ten dollars and get the Orange, Every day.
Throwing a tube screamer on the Orange fills in where the Peavy is lacking. It sounds much more full throated and adds the driving mids that makes the Orange a true terror.
The best product in this video is that sweet PRS
In Germany, these two have next to no price difference. The Orange is 181€, while the Peavey is 182€. Personally, I prefer the Orange by a wide margin.
well, I know what I'm buying
orange micro dark and a 2x12 with greenbacks
Did you get it?
i can't express to you in words how much getting rid of those dreads helped you rob chapman