Smart choice on the lumber!! After putting in all the hard work and time on a restoration you’ll be happy you chose the best option as the base!! Thanks for using our code!!
Great experiment for the inquiry minds!! It would be interesting and extremely informative to continue the experiment and then update these videos, say, at the end of each monthly period. Then expand experimentation into other boating materials - flooring, seat fabrics, bimini top fabrics, boat covers, hardware, rope, etc. It's a lot of work, I know, but I think it would generate a TON of traffic to your channel!! Besides, I wanna know!
You might consider adding UV exposure to the testing as well. Maybe some vinyl seats, treated with a protectant, and some that aren’t, and just leave them sitting in the sun and weather. We all know what happens eventually. But it would be nice to see a controlled experiment done, put to a known timeline, so you can see an aged comparison with and without proper care.
@@yakketyyak954 love that one too! I’ve seen plenty of boats that don’t use any treatment or covers after 1-2 years with the seats we’ve installed. The vinyl will be in good shape, dirty, but still supple and soft!
Awesome video! It convinced me that there’s really only one kind of plywood to use for boats. Anything else is the wrong choice, unless somehow it could be made completely out of a synthetic material impervious to water.
There are certainly other options like aluminum decking and composite materials. However it seems that the time and money spent to clean them properly when replacing flooring isn’t worth the cost of new marine grade treated plywood. There’ll always be an argument for everything tho!
I really love your vidéo, i have to repair my pontoon, could you tell me when you talk about treated plywood it mean you have treated it yourself or you buy it treated? And which way it as been treated? Thank you.
I use the CCA Treated MARINE GRADE plywood from Pontoon Stuff. It has a 30 year warranty and comes from the same place that big boat companies order their plywood from. It should NOT be treated or coated with anything. Details are here: www.pontoonstuff.com/products/3-4-marine-grade-plywood?_pos=1&_sid=25d2bdcde&_ss=r&variant=777937481
Just remember if you seal it you'll then have to use a different adhesive if installing vinyl flooring. PontoonStuff.com sells the sheets and will FedEx freight them to your house for free. Plus using TOMSTOONS as a coupon code will save you 5%.
Make sure it’s marine grade treated though. Void free on one side and the adhesive is different as well as the process. Non marine grade will likely delaminate over time or get some waves in it.
No, your typical pressure treated wood does not use the same glue or glue process in how the layers of ply come together. Regular pressure treated tends to peel and warp at the seems of ply on pontoons for some reason.
From folks I’ve talked to it sounds like a drum sander or heated power washer are your best options. It has to be bare metal, and you’ll have to use solvent based adhesive…video coming soon for that process!
That's how it should go! Judging by the guarantees some boat manufacturers give it should last 30 years or more! Park your boat inside or cover it for winters/off-season, and it'll do that and then some!
I'm not sure they're still able to use the same aggressive chemicals that they used to, but they still call it CCA. The problem with marine grade and sealing it is that when water does get in it will hold in the moisture instead of drying and cause rot. The beauty of the CCA treated marine grade is that it can breathe and dry after getting wet over and over while preventing rot.
Marine Grade TREATED plywood is what you want. PontoonStuff.com will ship it to your house. It’s CCA treated and is made to go on a pontoon boat. Basically the same plywood the big pontoon boat manufacturers are using.
It seems to be about $20-$40 more per sheet for treated. Free shipping if buying from Pontoon Stuff. That adds $200-$300 on most projects…money well spent if you ask me.
Don't the chemicals in CCA eat aluminum over time. There is a video on youtube of a boat repair tec shows a transom years after someone had replaced wood with CCA and it actually had small holes in it from the CCA chemicals. He says he see's this alot.
I am going to do a test to cover that topic this summer at our marina where there’s likely to be more likelihood of electrolysis. I’ve restored about 70 boats in the last two years and all I’ve seen is a light dust left behind on the aluminum crossmembers and transoms where treated plywood sat. I’ve never seen deep pitting or holes. We’re all freshwater here in Michigan, and usually small inland lakes where nothing could accelerate the reaction. All of the big boat manufacturers use CCA treated plywood for their decks. I have to think of there was a common issue they’d all have moved to a better option years and years ago. That’s my experience with the reaction, take it for what you will.
The beauty of the treated option is that they don't want you to seal it in any way. They say let it breathe so that it can't rot from being wet...same way the big pontoon manufacturers install it and they offer really long warranties on it.
I went with your advice and ordered the treated marine plywood from pontoon stuff using your code. Thanks for all the help!
Smart choice on the lumber!! After putting in all the hard work and time on a restoration you’ll be happy you chose the best option as the base!!
Thanks for using our code!!
Great experiment for the inquiry minds!! It would be interesting and extremely informative to continue the experiment and then update these videos, say, at the end of each monthly period. Then expand experimentation into other boating materials - flooring, seat fabrics, bimini top fabrics, boat covers, hardware, rope, etc. It's a lot of work, I know, but I think it would generate a TON of traffic to your channel!! Besides, I wanna know!
I have definitely thought of expanding this, so stay tuned!!!
You might consider adding UV exposure to the testing as well. Maybe some vinyl seats, treated with a protectant, and some that aren’t, and just leave them sitting in the sun and weather. We all know what happens eventually. But it would be nice to see a controlled experiment done, put to a known timeline, so you can see an aged comparison with and without proper care.
@@yakketyyak954 love that one too! I’ve seen plenty of boats that don’t use any treatment or covers after 1-2 years with the seats we’ve installed. The vinyl will be in good shape, dirty, but still supple and soft!
Awesome video! It convinced me that there’s really only one kind of plywood to use for boats. Anything else is the wrong choice, unless somehow it could be made completely out of a synthetic material impervious to water.
There are certainly other options like aluminum decking and composite materials. However it seems that the time and money spent to clean them properly when replacing flooring isn’t worth the cost of new marine grade treated plywood. There’ll always be an argument for everything tho!
I really love your vidéo, i have to repair my pontoon, could you tell me when you talk about treated plywood it mean you have treated it yourself or you buy it treated? And which way it as been treated? Thank you.
I use the CCA Treated MARINE GRADE plywood from Pontoon Stuff. It has a 30 year warranty and comes from the same place that big boat companies order their plywood from. It should NOT be treated or coated with anything. Details are here:
www.pontoonstuff.com/products/3-4-marine-grade-plywood?_pos=1&_sid=25d2bdcde&_ss=r&variant=777937481
Thank you. I want to use this stuff… and seal it in fiberglass epoxy twice… then maybe gel coat… and then add some sea deck on top.
Just remember if you seal it you'll then have to use a different adhesive if installing vinyl flooring. PontoonStuff.com sells the sheets and will FedEx freight them to your house for free. Plus using TOMSTOONS as a coupon code will save you 5%.
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I have a pressure treated lumber facility near my house. I going to go ask them for direct sale.
Make sure it’s marine grade treated though. Void free on one side and the adhesive is different as well as the process. Non marine grade will likely delaminate over time or get some waves in it.
Green Pressure Treated CCX Plywood From Menards is that the same as pontoon stuff?
No, your typical pressure treated wood does not use the same glue or glue process in how the layers of ply come together. Regular pressure treated tends to peel and warp at the seems of ply on pontoons for some reason.
Question, what’s the best way to remove old carpet and install vinyl on a pontoon with an aluminum deck?
From folks I’ve talked to it sounds like a drum sander or heated power washer are your best options. It has to be bare metal, and you’ll have to use solvent based adhesive…video coming soon for that process!
@@tomspontoons thank you! I’m really interested to see that video. I have watched a ton of your videos and leaned so much. Keep up the good work!
@@Chauncey84 glad my channel has been so helpful!! Thank you for watching!
@@Chauncey84 yes I really want to see this also. I have a 26' with carpet aluminum floors. So, never any rot but want to change over to vinyl.
Awesome experiment!!! I've been wondering the difference
I wanted to see for myself how it would differ. Glad I did the test!!
I was wondering what ever happened with this test lol then bam I see it. Thank very informative
Glad you were waiting for it, and that you enjoyed it!
I got the CCA treated wood from pontoonstuff just last month. Looking forward to never touching it again!
That's how it should go! Judging by the guarantees some boat manufacturers give it should last 30 years or more! Park your boat inside or cover it for winters/off-season, and it'll do that and then some!
But CCA treated is full of arsenic, very poisonous. What about using 2x coats of EP sealer, and varnish x 4 coats on marine ply!?
I'm not sure they're still able to use the same aggressive chemicals that they used to, but they still call it CCA. The problem with marine grade and sealing it is that when water does get in it will hold in the moisture instead of drying and cause rot. The beauty of the CCA treated marine grade is that it can breathe and dry after getting wet over and over while preventing rot.
Where can one buy marine grade plywood? Is that’s how it’s called when you buy it or do they call it something else.
Marine Grade TREATED plywood is what you want. PontoonStuff.com will ship it to your house. It’s CCA treated and is made to go on a pontoon boat. Basically the same plywood the big pontoon boat manufacturers are using.
Menards has marine grade plywood inside main store. It's like 85 a sheet in my area
What price difference is the treated vs untreated?
It seems to be about $20-$40 more per sheet for treated. Free shipping if buying from Pontoon Stuff. That adds $200-$300 on most projects…money well spent if you ask me.
Don't the chemicals in CCA eat aluminum over time. There is a video on youtube of a boat repair tec shows a transom years after someone had replaced wood with CCA and it actually had small holes in it from the CCA chemicals. He says he see's this alot.
I am going to do a test to cover that topic this summer at our marina where there’s likely to be more likelihood of electrolysis.
I’ve restored about 70 boats in the last two years and all I’ve seen is a light dust left behind on the aluminum crossmembers and transoms where treated plywood sat. I’ve never seen deep pitting or holes. We’re all freshwater here in Michigan, and usually small inland lakes where nothing could accelerate the reaction.
All of the big boat manufacturers use CCA treated plywood for their decks. I have to think of there was a common issue they’d all have moved to a better option years and years ago.
That’s my experience with the reaction, take it for what you will.
Now if you wanted too water proof it then you would coat it in epoxy this would extend the life of the wood and no water would even hit the wood
The beauty of the treated option is that they don't want you to seal it in any way. They say let it breathe so that it can't rot from being wet...same way the big pontoon manufacturers install it and they offer really long warranties on it.
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