The Harrisburg Bureau of Fire is a well trained, highly motivated, aggressive group of firefighters. They arrived with 3 houses involved and very poor hydrant pressure. The entire city has 12 firefighters on duty! The 2nd alarm is mutual aid from outside the city. This was not their typical quick knock down, but they had a lot going against them. The comments on this video are sickening! A bunch of keyboard known-it-alls.
Looked like a good job to me. I'm from PA. In a much bigger city and I'll guarantee Harrisburg gets it done better than most with 3 times the first alarm manpower
Bottom line, if the initial hydrant was low flow/pressure, it’s going to take more than 30 seconds to fix. They did a great job knocking down the fire. Retired w/35 years on the job. 17 of them as an Engineer.
I’m pretty sure most of the people making those rude comments would wet themselves if their grill caught fire. Probably would be too scared to run for the garden hose. The fire fighters work with what they got, and do a damn well job.
Chris Barr You are absolutely correct - this is NOT a typical knock down by Harrisburg. Look at some other videos of Harrisburg fires and you'll see nothing but professionalism!
Props to the guy on the green hose, he knocked down the fire on the outside even while dealing with poor pressure. These houses must be from the late 1800's or early 1900's long before they thought of firebreaks.
For the life of me, Pump Operators: You need a source of water, a functioning pump, a functional operator and a hose line to feed. Too many times I see operators wait until they are connected to a hydrant before feeding the hose line. Simple calculations, how big is your tank times the most important hose line to feed until you establish a water supply. That’s my two cents!
THE WHIZZ SHOW Amen they need to go back to school. They’ve got 500 gallons of water in their tank. They’ve got another engine responding. I don’t get it
Dad always told me the same thing. You always have enough water to start attacking with before that five inch line is charged. After that line is charged, you've got all the water you need, but you never wait til you're hooked up. Work with what you have first/
If you have a bad hydrant, it doesn't matter how good the pump or operator is, It's frustrating for the nozzlemen. bad hydrants usually mean poor infrastructure maintenance. My old department use to spend many hours with the old pitot tube checking hydrants in our district. Some don't.
Low hydrant pressure doesn't have anything to do with how long it took to charge the interior line for the building to the left. Incredible how long that took. Once you get some knock down outside you have to have the interior line ready to go in immediately. A little training is in order.
Damn, this is embarrassing to watch. Pulling more hose when you can’t water to the lines already deployed ???. This is NOT how you attack a working structure fire. Unbelievable.
@@padseven hit it hard from the yard much? They had more people jumbled up on the porch than we get on an average response, but we would've been interior LONG before they let it light off the second time.
@@cjreed874 Title? yep. description, nope. 500 gal on board water tank flowing through a deuce and a half @125psi will get shit done! in a hurry. hydrants ain't got nothing to do with getting proper pressure from the pump
So why vent the 2nd floor windows when you don't have an adequate water supply attacking the seat of the fire first? All that did was ignite the whole 2nd story again by providing an oxygen source. Make entry controlling the door, put water on fire and at the SAME time vent.
The guy in the aerial looks like he just wanted to play with the controls. That did absolutely nothing except take up space on the street stopping the pizza guy from getting through.
The first charged line did a great job with very little pressure. I always tried to maintain 110 psi. minimum at the pump panel after the line was charged. And, as the one FF that was pulling the feed line said, don't get yourself in trouble (get too deep) until you get a feed, especially when you are using big lines.
110 psi!! that could knock men off ladders or even cause them to be knocked around on ground revolutions ! Depending on what size line is being charged, 5 psi friction loss per 100 feet is always safest when using a 2 i/2 inch line. smaller diameter lines should be used with 125 to 150 psi for safety.
It is imperative to understand the make of your hose and nozzles when calculating PDP. As previous posts indicated, there may be low friction hose (Ponn, etc.) and nozzles (Metro) to which coefficients and recommended psi are to be followed. To flow 180 gpm from a 1-3/4" standard line (200') with a standard combination nozzle is 200 psi. PDP= NP + FL + elevation ( add 5 psi for each story) FL= c × (gpm/100)2 × L/100 or FL= 15.5 x (180/100) 2 x L/100 or 15.5 x 1.8 (2) x 200/100 or 15.5 x 3.24 x 2 = 100.44 psi PDP = NP (100 psi ) + FL (100.44 psi) = 200.44 psi plus any elevation. Many departments under pump their lines and do not achieve the proper gpm as gpm puts out fires.
A lot of free lancing going on very dangerous. FF makes interior attack on 2nd house all on his own, while another ladders the primary structure and makes entry on 2nd floor all alone. He exists 2nd floor window at the 7 minute mark and the 2nd floor flashes over ~ 2 minutes later. At about 10:30 mark what I assume is a pump operator (no bunker gear/SCBA) shows up with another line and begins an exterior attack. At this point it appears 5 hand lines are in operations with both exterior and interior attacks going on simultaneously all uncoordinated. We will be using this as a training video in our combination department very soon.
Yes, however you cannot make water, If a single hydrant is providing 1500 GPM that is all there is. Playing with pressures is useless if the hydrant is maxed out. that 2 1/2" should have been flowing about 60 PSI from a smooth bore and flowing about 250 GPM. This clearly was not the case. If his master gauge shows more that 20 PSI residual, he has enough to supply the line. If not he needs to evaluate his supply. Either the hydrant or the pumper supplying him and adjust the number of lines he is supplying.
I dont know how many years you have been a firefighter for but the hydrant has everything to do with it. I have spent 25 years doing the job and i can assure you if you have shit pressure from your hydrant then you are never going to get decent jets too work until you can sort the problem as you will always be over running your supply. What i would say is if you have a bad water supply there is no point in having loads of guys standing around with SCBA sets on there backs doing nothing. Move an appliance nearer to another hydrant and get some of the guys to drop there sets and run out hose which might enable you to get a better feed to your base pump which is supplying the hoselines to fight the fire. Its about making the best use of your resources depending what confronts you which can be different every time. Stay safe guys.
I hate to arm chair because I wasn't there but why take out the window and feed oxygen and they just sit in the bucket and watch the 2nd floor light off? That window should have never been pulled until the truck was flowing water.
Horrible !! The FF that put up the ladder by himself and entered alone should be disciplined and all officers should be re-trained in safety, crew integrity, 2 in 2 out, and how to shut down freelancing. You can be the bravest but don't be the dumbest. He went in at 3:53 came out at 8:54 went in again at 10:00 and came out at 13:00, all by himself. The officers should be disciplined also! You may say wow that's the FF I want to be but I'm an officer and do not want to make "that" phone call because of some showboat.
11:00- 11:22 Maybe a weird thing thing to notice but check out the color of the water coming out the green house hose for a bit after it first starts getting used. (Really gets an orange/brown look at 11:17)
Bad hydrant?? Aren't they suppose 2 be well maintained?? Life's can be depending on a issue like this..... very good work...... I'm impressed.... stay safe and god bless you all
Man this looks like a bad one… I feel for the families. Looks like 3, possibly 4 separate families were affected here. We had just a small house fire back in the fall of 2021, I believe it was an electrical fire up in attic area where all the insulation is and stuff. The fire itself actually didn’t damage too much we noticed it in time and fire fighters got there quickly, it’s just a single story house and they climbed on the roof and cut the whole to get to the fire and put it out. But all the damage came from them putting it out, the whole in the roof and then pumped tons of water into that attic area cause the ceiling to cave in the front room, kitchen and laundry room. Ruined all the furniture and appliances in those rooms. We had to move out while things got repaired, stayed in the hotel downtown for a little over a month and then had to rent an apartment for a couple of months. We finally were able to move back in like a week into the new year. Was an extremely stressful situation overall and tbh it had me paranoid about having another electrical house fire for a several months after it all happened. (For example the hotel we were staying at the fire alarms go off a few different times and the first time or happened I almost had a mini panic attack. Also my dog German Shepherd/Labrador mix freaks out now and starts shaking really bad whenever a fire alarm goes off.)
Why do city code enforcement departments allow houses to be built this close together? The answer: more revenue. The problem: More cost when this happens. I think they should make code officials be firefighters, police, and other city workers so they can see the damage they are doing. These houses should never be built that close together
The lady at 11:16 arrives with more water on her shoulder than the firefighters have in their hose lines. My dad worked for the Harrisburg Fire Department for 25 years (he retired in 1977) and I think he would have been pissed off watching this bad day on Briggs Street.
Lot of people whining about this fire clearly didn't read the comments. The guy on the 2 1/2" (who's probably a rookie) did a hell of a job getting an initial knockdown with what little water he had. In less than 15 minutes, they controlled a fire that had HEAVY involvement in the structure of origin, extensive fire in one exposure, and another exposure at risk, all with a poor water supply. Pa. has some of the worst training standards in the US, but these guys did a good job on this fire. Yeah, there's some things that could've been done a bit better, but this is nowhere near there worst I've ever seen. They put a hell of a stop on this fire under less than ideal conditions.
They read the Title, and the part You think they should read is in the description. However, that still doesn't explain the lack of a Pump truck having water available if the hydrants were not working right.
that house in the center was fairly gone from the start of the video and with the amt of fire in the 2 buildings at the start i say they did one hell of a job seeing as they had obvious water pressure issues at the start guy with the 2.5" did a bang up job knocking what they could from the exterior
Looks like you need to learn how to read the description before spouting off mouth-breather. Doesn't matter how much PSI you give the line if there's no fucking water...
It's so simple guys, you pull up to the scene of a fire like this, driver engages parking brake, engages pump pto, assist firefighter pulling hose out of usually hose bed #1, once hose is cleared of hose bed, driver waits till hose is laid out by nozzle man and other firefighters, then he engages lever for hose bed #1. You have at least 750 gallons of water to fight fire with, mean while look for you secondary source of water, another hydrant, next in engine, tanker, etc. There is no reason for these guys with water on your truck to be standing around waiting for water like that.
ISO rating must be "impressive" Imagine the insurance rates??? I feel terrible for the FFs first to arrive knowing how screwed they are!! FF with the line between his legs was interesting but great initial knockdown!! The FF dragging around the duece is an animal and doing all he could! Will submit that the lack of nozzle pressure is a driver issue NOT a waster pressure situation.
I would like to have seen the line that was originally used on the #4 exposure dedicated longer to that purpose to lower the damage extending into the structure.
All those hoses and very little water flying! WTF?? The firefighter in the beginning was just letting the next door house catch fire! there is NO WAY he was not seeing that!
I don't like arm chair quarterbacking, but a smooth bore on an 1 3/4 line is not the right choice here. Smooth bore handlines flow at 50 psi. You need volume here, big fire.....big water.
The first arriving engine company has one task, get water on the fire. The threat to life and property has to be eliminated as quickly as possible. Beginning the initial attack from the booster tank is nothing new. 500 gallons (or sometimes more) of tank water, when applied correctly, buys a lot of time to make a hydrant connection. The immediate concern here is the D side exposure. Booster tank water would have been more than enough to knock down the fire on the exposure and then start working the main fire building. Im sorry, but keeping up with what’s “cool” such as multiple companies stretching their own 400’ preconnects from a block away clouds our objectives at times. The members stretching line after line could be helping the engine operator solve the water supply “issues” if he/she couldn’t do it themselves, ultimately speeding up the process of getting all the water necessary.
Why do all of these videos show poor water pressure?? City water should be 40 psi. Then Rig raises it to what is needed. Hope citizens screamed about this one
Low hoseline pressure AND an initial exterior attack. Interesting tactic to say the least. How many FF's on the line entered the Side Delta exposure that had fire showing (I only saw two)? Slow ladder placement (because who needs to bailout ever?). Any line ever placed on the Side B exposure? What was minimum staffing which we all know is a joke nationwide)? How many units and personnel were on scene at initial attack? No criticism here, only observations.
Nothing worse than water problems. I was on the first line in on a job and about 2 minutes in the engine went on fire lol. Sucks getting a limp hose in your had with fire rolling over your head lol Good job brothers...
Oooff.That's just bad. Starts from the top down. Bad leadership, obvious lack of training and direction. Glad no FF injured. Unacceptable performance from a career dept.
The fire coming out of the 2nd floor is a gimme. Attack from the outside pushing the fire throughout in the house. No coordination with guys running all around. Yeah, well done.
Doesn't the Engine have 500 Gallons of WET STUFF in the tank...? It's called "Tank to Pump".... Then you switch over to Hydrant supply.... WTF? Also, priority is to EXPOSURES.... I hope these were volunteers and not Professionals.
The FFs did a great job of knocking it down. But every time the opened the bails on their combo nozzles, the pressure dropped from acceptable to "I can piss harder" within 3 to 5 seconds. I don't think I would blame the engineer/pump operator. The Aholes in city government didn't think about Water Supply when this old looking new (?) Subdivision was built. I was sickened by Great FFs hampered by piss poor water supply. RDFPD #30, Retired and DISGUSTED
Everybody knows there is a possible problem with either the pump or the water supply, switch machines use another appliance to pump water or get another pump operator, in the UK everybody is taught how to operate the pump. The whole thing just seemed chaotic, everybody freelancing no command and control. I'm surprised that anybody had any air in there cylinders left, people walking around wearing BA in fresh air when there was no need to, it's not as if the smoke was wafting around the street, it appears to be the norm to get off the appliance wearing BA and not knowing if your going in. BA procedures are different in the UK because of a tragic incident, we are not allowed to wear BA unless we are told to, one of the reasons are you arrive at an incident wearing BA and your ready to go in there might be a problem to gain access, it can sometimes take a while to get in (commercial premises), by the time you do gain access, you check your gauge, you do not have enough air so you have to go to the appliance change cylinders, I could waffle on more but I won't, I just hope that some lessons learnt by all from this incident.
I wish I knew more about the teachings of fire fighting. I watch a lot of these videos and hardly anything seems logical to me, granted the only fire fighting I've done is get a brush pile fire under a little more control with a garden hose. And why does every area in the northeast have zero water pressure? Good Lord, yall pay enough in taxes to have the best of every municipal service, but your infrastructure is always trash, from the roads, bridges, water and sewer.
This was pathetic especially from a career dept. Had enough line stretched for a commercial fire and no water in any of them in the first few minutes. It takes one charged line ( from tank water) to knock down the exposure fire and get the fire pushed inside the main house ( which eventually happened), but how do you go from small fire showing on the porch at 4:30 to a fully involved 2and story at 10:00 and still have a porch full of guys standing around, a ladder just up getting pictures for his album and a chief wandering around lost like he just got out of the academy? Sad showing all around.🤦♂️
wow this is how not to do it way to put interior crews in danger dont flow water from the outside when you have a crew inside smh thats just one of the things i saw wrong here can we learn from this yes take this video to your training room and do a breakdown of this and look at what can be inproved upon etc be safe my brothers and sisters
Being a firefighter is a thankless job. With UA-cam, we now have armchair quarterbacks second guessing everyone's next move. These guys don't enjoy letting their neighborhoods burn! If you want to blame someone, blame the captain for not maintaining proper fire command and lack of personnel training, blame the water department for not maintaining the hydrants! These problems start from the top, not at the fireman level. If you want to see the difference that excelling in all of these areas makes, go watch David Decker's UA-cam channel.
The Harrisburg Bureau of Fire is a well trained, highly motivated, aggressive group of firefighters.
They arrived with 3 houses involved and very poor hydrant pressure. The entire city has 12 firefighters on duty! The 2nd alarm is mutual aid from outside the city.
This was not their typical quick knock down, but they had a lot going against them.
The comments on this video are sickening! A bunch of keyboard known-it-alls.
Looked like a good job to me. I'm from PA. In a much bigger city and I'll guarantee Harrisburg gets it done better than most with 3 times the first alarm manpower
Bottom line, if the initial hydrant was low flow/pressure, it’s going to take more than 30 seconds to fix. They did a great job knocking down the fire. Retired w/35 years on the job. 17 of them as an Engineer.
I’m pretty sure most of the people making those rude comments would wet themselves if their grill caught fire. Probably would be too scared to run for the garden hose.
The fire fighters work with what they got, and do a damn well job.
Pardon my my language, but the Harrisburg Bureau of Fire is BAD ASS. YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND STAY SAFE!
Chris Barr You are absolutely correct - this is NOT a typical knock down by Harrisburg. Look at some other videos of Harrisburg fires and you'll see nothing but professionalism!
Props to the guy on the green hose, he knocked down the fire on the outside even while dealing with poor pressure. These houses must be from the late 1800's or early 1900's long before they thought of firebreaks.
They are balloon structures. Basement fire can soon be blowing out the attic windows.
For the life of me, Pump Operators: You need a source of water, a functioning pump, a functional operator and a hose line to feed. Too many times I see operators wait until they are connected to a hydrant before feeding the hose line. Simple calculations, how big is your tank times the most important hose line to feed until you establish a water supply. That’s my two cents!
THE WHIZZ SHOW Amen they need to go back to school. They’ve got 500 gallons of water in their tank. They’ve got another engine responding. I don’t get it
Dad always told me the same thing. You always have enough water to start attacking with before that five inch line is charged. After that line is charged, you've got all the water you need, but you never wait til you're hooked up. Work with what you have first/
Well the training academy is right down the road for these guy's i think a few trips back is in order
If you have a bad hydrant, it doesn't matter how good the pump or operator is, It's frustrating for the nozzlemen. bad hydrants usually mean poor infrastructure maintenance. My old department use to spend many hours with the old pitot tube checking hydrants in our district. Some don't.
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did you even read the title of the video before opening your trap
@@cjreed874 trucks have tanks....with water in them even.
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Low hydrant pressure doesn't have anything to do with how long it took to charge the interior line for the building to the left. Incredible how long that took. Once you get some knock down outside you have to have the interior line ready to go in immediately. A little training is in order.
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Damn, this is embarrassing to watch. Pulling more hose when you can’t water to the lines already deployed ???. This is NOT how you attack a working structure fire. Unbelievable.
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They had the fire knocked down in 2 minutes. Your volley rig wouldn't have been on the road yet. Settle down keyboard warrior.....
@@padseven hit it hard from the yard much?
They had more people jumbled up on the porch than we get on an average response, but we would've been interior LONG before they let it light off the second time.
@@ltridge504 too bad we can't all be as bad ass as you and your weekend warrior buddies!!!
why in the hell ain't that guy on the 2 1/2 calling for a pressure increase? i give the engineer 20 seconds than i'm raising hell for water pressure
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guess you didnt read the whole title of the video did you ??
@@cjreed874 Title? yep. description, nope. 500 gal on board water tank flowing through a deuce and a half @125psi will get shit done! in a hurry. hydrants ain't got nothing to do with getting proper pressure from the pump
@@shanestamball1886 Did you not see him yelling to other guys??? He did a hell of a job with what little he had.
Engineer? You must be a volly with no clue!
So why vent the 2nd floor windows when you don't have an adequate water supply attacking the seat of the fire first? All that did was ignite the whole 2nd story again by providing an oxygen source. Make entry controlling the door, put water on fire and at the SAME time vent.
Another bot account.
The guy in the aerial looks like he just wanted to play with the controls. That did absolutely nothing except take up space on the street stopping the pizza guy from getting through.
Sad, nice looking houses. Good video, clear what's taking place, good save to the exposures.
Water must be very expensive in that town! I’ve seem stronger streams of water in a Frat house bathroom on a Saturday night.
maybe you should read the whole title of the video before making a comment
11:11 I see thee full pressure lines, a ladder, and probably an attack line inside.
Better than most turnouts I've seen.
Bad hydrant is a poor excuse. Could have tampered it down by using your tank water.
The first charged line did a great job with very little pressure. I always tried to maintain 110 psi. minimum at the pump panel after the line was charged. And, as the one FF that was pulling the feed line said, don't get yourself in trouble (get too deep) until you get a feed, especially when you are using big lines.
110 psi!! that could knock men off ladders or even cause them to be knocked around on ground revolutions ! Depending on what size line is being charged, 5 psi friction loss per 100 feet is always safest when using a 2 i/2 inch line. smaller diameter lines should be used with 125 to 150 psi for safety.
Check your math. Unless you have low pressure nozzle figure 17.5 per 100 ft per 100 gpm for 1 3/4 of friction loss
It is imperative to understand the make of your hose and nozzles when calculating PDP. As previous posts indicated, there may be low friction hose (Ponn, etc.) and nozzles (Metro) to which coefficients and recommended psi are to be followed.
To flow 180 gpm from a 1-3/4" standard line (200') with a standard combination nozzle is 200 psi.
PDP= NP + FL + elevation ( add 5 psi for each story)
FL= c × (gpm/100)2 × L/100 or FL= 15.5 x (180/100) 2 x L/100 or 15.5 x 1.8 (2) x 200/100
or 15.5 x 3.24 x 2 = 100.44 psi
PDP = NP (100 psi ) + FL (100.44 psi) = 200.44 psi plus any elevation.
Many departments under pump their lines and do not achieve the proper gpm as gpm puts out fires.
A lot of free lancing going on very dangerous. FF makes interior attack on 2nd house all on his own, while another ladders the primary structure and makes entry on 2nd floor all alone. He exists 2nd floor window at the 7 minute mark and the 2nd floor flashes over ~ 2 minutes later. At about 10:30 mark what I assume is a pump operator (no bunker gear/SCBA) shows up with another line and begins an exterior attack. At this point it appears 5 hand lines are in operations with both exterior and interior attacks going on simultaneously all uncoordinated. We will be using this as a training video in our combination department very soon.
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What are you talking about?
These guys are running HVLP smooth bores which aren't run with a lot of pressure, thats the point
Rather odd. A fire department who dont use water before the fire have destroyed to much ???.
See what happens when crews decide everyone gets their own hose and nozzle but no H2o. Maybe the officers can shout the fire out...
Great job saving the foundation
what the guy in the latter bucket doing taking pictures or just wanted a good view . poor .
Legend has it that they're still waiting for water... Should have put the "Benny Hill" soundtrack to this.
Hydrant has little to do with this being each Engine has it's own pressure, this is a pathetic training issue.
Yes, however you cannot make water, If a single hydrant is providing 1500 GPM that is all there is. Playing with pressures is useless if the hydrant is maxed out. that 2 1/2" should have been flowing about 60 PSI from a smooth bore and flowing about 250 GPM. This clearly was not the case. If his master gauge shows more that 20 PSI residual, he has enough to supply the line. If not he needs to evaluate his supply. Either the hydrant or the pumper supplying him and adjust the number of lines he is supplying.
I dont know how many years you have been a firefighter for but the hydrant has everything to do with it. I have spent 25 years doing the job and i can assure you if you have shit pressure from your hydrant then you are never going to get decent jets too work until you can sort the problem as you will always be over running your supply.
What i would say is if you have a bad water supply there is no point in having loads of guys standing around with SCBA sets on there backs doing nothing.
Move an appliance nearer to another hydrant and get some of the guys to drop there sets and run out hose which might enable you to get a better feed to your base pump which is supplying the hoselines to fight the fire.
Its about making the best use of your resources depending what confronts you which can be different every time. Stay safe guys.
Are they having a union meeting on the steps?
I hate to arm chair because I wasn't there but why take out the window and feed oxygen and they just sit in the bucket and watch the 2nd floor light off? That window should have never been pulled until the truck was flowing water.
Horrible !! The FF that put up the ladder by himself and entered alone should be disciplined and all officers should be re-trained in safety, crew integrity, 2 in 2 out, and how to shut down freelancing. You can be the bravest but don't be the dumbest. He went in at 3:53 came out at 8:54 went in again at 10:00 and came out at 13:00, all by himself. The officers should be disciplined also! You may say wow that's the FF I want to be but I'm an officer and do not want to make "that" phone call because of some showboat.
Your absolutely right this is a great training video on what not to do great catch ✌️✌️
Hey, this is Pennsylvania, they have a different way of doing things.
@@charlesrudish9147 Yes, but dying is the same all over.
11:00- 11:22 Maybe a weird thing thing to notice but check out the color of the water coming out the green house hose for a bit after it first starts getting used. (Really gets an orange/brown look at 11:17)
Bad hydrant?? Aren't they suppose 2 be well maintained?? Life's can be depending on a issue like this..... very good work...... I'm impressed.... stay safe and god bless you all
hard to watch ! That's what we call a big mess!
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Considering the hydrant/water supply issues they mad one hell of a stop
in my 45 years never seen a fire dept. scramble like this like no all they wanna do is damage instead of getting the fire out
Is that supposed to be a complete sentence??? You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
2:21 he asks for pressure and he got it lol
Man this looks like a bad one… I feel for the families. Looks like 3, possibly 4 separate families were affected here. We had just a small house fire back in the fall of 2021, I believe it was an electrical fire up in attic area where all the insulation is and stuff. The fire itself actually didn’t damage too much we noticed it in time and fire fighters got there quickly, it’s just a single story house and they climbed on the roof and cut the whole to get to the fire and put it out. But all the damage came from them putting it out, the whole in the roof and then pumped tons of water into that attic area cause the ceiling to cave in the front room, kitchen and laundry room. Ruined all the furniture and appliances in those rooms. We had to move out while things got repaired, stayed in the hotel downtown for a little over a month and then had to rent an apartment for a couple of months. We finally were able to move back in like a week into the new year. Was an extremely stressful situation overall and tbh it had me paranoid about having another electrical house fire for a several months after it all happened.
(For example the hotel we were staying at the fire alarms go off a few different times and the first time or happened I almost had a mini panic attack. Also my dog German Shepherd/Labrador mix freaks out now and starts shaking really bad whenever a fire alarm goes off.)
Why do city code enforcement departments allow houses to be built this close together? The answer: more revenue. The problem: More cost when this happens. I think they should make code officials be firefighters, police, and other city workers so they can see the damage they are doing. These houses should never be built that close together
The lady at 11:16 arrives with more water on her shoulder than the firefighters have in their hose lines. My dad worked for the Harrisburg Fire Department for 25 years (he retired in 1977) and I think he would have been pissed off watching this bad day on Briggs Street.
Shows you how useful a garden hose can be...
First day on the job?
If they had Brick sides when close , it gives fire protection. Plastic siding burns
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Seen many American fires and they always seem slow at getting water on the fire.
Super great try with the water pressure.
Excellent video Mr. Paul!!
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Guess you didn't read the description, not to mention they got a pretty good initial knock down with what little water they had.
Lot of people whining about this fire clearly didn't read the comments. The guy on the 2 1/2" (who's probably a rookie) did a hell of a job getting an initial knockdown with what little water he had. In less than 15 minutes, they controlled a fire that had HEAVY involvement in the structure of origin, extensive fire in one exposure, and another exposure at risk, all with a poor water supply. Pa. has some of the worst training standards in the US, but these guys did a good job on this fire. Yeah, there's some things that could've been done a bit better, but this is nowhere near there worst I've ever seen. They put a hell of a stop on this fire under less than ideal conditions.
My god what is this ? Where's the fire department?
everyones comments about the water pressure is funny apparently you all didnt read the whole title
They read the Title, and the part You think they should read is in the description.
However, that still doesn't explain the lack of a Pump truck having water available if the hydrants were not working right.
that house in the center was fairly gone from the start of the video and with the amt of fire in the 2 buildings at the start i say they did one hell of a job seeing as they had obvious water pressure issues at the start guy with the 2.5" did a bang up job knocking what they could from the exterior
A good pump operator can make a big difference quickly.........too bad they didnt have one.
Amen to that
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@Sales Dude Did you not read the description?????
A good pump operator means nothing with bad hydrants...
What was the point of putting the areal up- didn’t see it flow water the whole time. All it did was get it and the operator exposed to smoke
This'll make a great training video for fire departments all across the country.....on what not to do!
Looks like the pump operator needs a refresher course on pumping?
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Looks like you need to learn how to read the description before spouting off mouth-breather. Doesn't matter how much PSI you give the line if there's no fucking water...
Why is there no water pressure?
The way the fire is burning seems very suspicious to me.
It's so simple guys, you pull up to the scene of a fire like this, driver engages parking brake, engages pump pto, assist firefighter pulling hose out of usually hose bed #1, once hose is cleared of hose bed, driver waits till hose is laid out by nozzle man and other firefighters, then he engages lever for hose bed #1. You have at least 750 gallons of water to fight fire with, mean while look for you secondary source of water, another hydrant, next in engine, tanker, etc. There is no reason for these guys with water on your truck to be standing around waiting for water like that.
ISO rating must be "impressive" Imagine the insurance rates???
I feel terrible for the FFs first to arrive knowing how screwed they are!!
FF with the line between his legs was interesting but great initial knockdown!! The FF dragging around the duece is an animal and doing all he could!
Will submit that the lack of nozzle pressure is a driver issue NOT a waster pressure situation.
Great save on the "D" side exposure house. Overall great firefighting!
I would like to have seen the line that was originally used on the #4 exposure dedicated longer to that purpose to lower the damage extending into the structure.
All those hoses and very little water flying! WTF?? The firefighter in the beginning was just letting the next door house catch fire! there is NO WAY he was not seeing that!
Which is exactly why you don't build houses 5 feet away from each other
One can't fire a fire without working hydrant's wonder why they were not checked like every month or so.
It seemed like he only had a little bit of water pressure 🤔
lol what is the guy in the ladder doing going for a ride
Clearly the engineer doesn’t know how to maintain pressure. Why so many hoses when you don’t have enough water for the two original ones.
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I don't like arm chair quarterbacking, but a smooth bore on an 1 3/4 line is not the right choice here. Smooth bore handlines flow at 50 psi. You need volume here, big fire.....big water.
The first arriving engine company has one task, get water on the fire.
The threat to life and property has to be eliminated as quickly as possible.
Beginning the initial attack from the booster tank is nothing new.
500 gallons (or sometimes more) of tank water, when applied correctly, buys a lot of time to make a hydrant connection.
The immediate concern here is the D side exposure.
Booster tank water would have been more than enough to knock down the fire on the exposure and then start working the main fire building.
Im sorry, but keeping up with what’s “cool” such as multiple companies stretching their own 400’ preconnects from a block away clouds our objectives at times.
The members stretching line after line could be helping the engine operator solve the water supply “issues” if he/she couldn’t do it themselves, ultimately speeding up the process of getting all the water necessary.
Why do all of these videos show poor water pressure?? City water should be 40 psi. Then Rig raises it to what is needed. Hope citizens screamed about this one
Low hoseline pressure AND an initial exterior attack. Interesting tactic to say the least. How many FF's on the line entered the Side Delta exposure that had fire showing (I only saw two)? Slow ladder placement (because who needs to bailout ever?). Any line ever placed on the Side B exposure? What was minimum staffing which we all know is a joke nationwide)? How many units and personnel were on scene at initial attack? No criticism here, only observations.
You're doing a really good job pretending to know what you're talking about.
Nothing worse than water problems. I was on the first line in on a job and about 2 minutes in the engine went on fire lol. Sucks getting a limp hose in your had with fire rolling over your head lol Good job brothers...
I guess no one learned anything from the Great Chicago Fire, except Chicago…
Water pressure appears to be nonexistent.
Why “stick built”. Build with ICF, like my main home in Palm Beach County and you won’t have this problem.
I was near Sheetz #219 (just off of PA-39) and I saw the smoke.
the fire crew should focus on both sides houses and leave the middle one as it lost anyway.
Oooff.That's just bad. Starts from the top down. Bad leadership, obvious lack of training and direction. Glad no FF injured. Unacceptable performance from a career dept.
From any department
... a right way, a wrong way ... and a Pennsylvania way.
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Really, how frekin pathetic, unbelievable.
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Oh wow, horrible, glad they got it under control
The fire coming out of the 2nd floor is a gimme. Attack from the outside pushing the fire throughout in the house. No coordination with guys running all around. Yeah, well done.
Tbone Done it was painful to watch. But they did protect the exposures ....mostly
Pushing the fire throughout the house? Come on man.
pushing the fire? your one of those dumb fucks ain't ya?
when the hell is the water going to start putting out the almost destroyed home!! what a shame to watch those incompetent KEYSTONE FIREMEN!
Doesn't the Engine have 500 Gallons of WET STUFF in the tank...? It's called "Tank to Pump".... Then you switch over to Hydrant supply.... WTF? Also, priority is to EXPOSURES.... I hope these were volunteers and not Professionals.
Holy crap, where’s the water?
The FFs did a great job of knocking it down. But every time the opened the bails on their combo nozzles, the pressure dropped from acceptable to "I can piss harder" within 3 to 5 seconds.
I don't think I would blame the engineer/pump operator. The Aholes in city government didn't think about Water Supply when this old looking new (?) Subdivision was built. I was sickened by Great FFs hampered by piss poor water supply.
RDFPD #30, Retired and DISGUSTED
Guy up ladder on to porch roof bad idea that was on fire rec and structure is compromised.
Everybody knows there is a possible problem with either the pump or the water supply, switch machines use another appliance to pump water or get another pump operator, in the UK everybody is taught how to operate the pump. The whole thing just seemed chaotic, everybody freelancing no command and control. I'm surprised that anybody had any air in there cylinders left, people walking around wearing BA in fresh air when there was no need to, it's not as if the smoke was wafting around the street, it appears to be the norm to get off the appliance wearing BA and not knowing if your going in. BA procedures are different in the UK because of a tragic incident, we are not allowed to wear BA unless we are told to, one of the reasons are you arrive at an incident wearing BA and your ready to go in there might be a problem to gain access, it can sometimes take a while to get in (commercial premises), by the time you do gain access, you check your gauge, you do not have enough air so you have to go to the appliance change cylinders, I could waffle on more but I won't, I just hope that some lessons learnt by all from this incident.
I never will have a house made whit wood.
I wish I knew more about the teachings of fire fighting. I watch a lot of these videos and hardly anything seems logical to me, granted the only fire fighting I've done is get a brush pile fire under a little more control with a garden hose.
And why does every area in the northeast have zero water pressure? Good Lord, yall pay enough in taxes to have the best of every municipal service, but your infrastructure is always trash, from the roads, bridges, water and sewer.
Really ignorant building houses that close together. Your insurance rates should be very high.
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This was pathetic especially from a career dept. Had enough line stretched for a commercial fire and no water in any of them in the first few minutes. It takes one charged line ( from tank water) to knock down the exposure fire and get the fire pushed inside the main house ( which eventually happened), but how do you go from small fire showing on the porch at 4:30 to a fully involved 2and story at 10:00 and still have a porch full of guys standing around, a ladder just up getting pictures for his album and a chief wandering around lost like he just got out of the academy? Sad showing all around.🤦♂️
Nice work for short water.
Incredible incompetence. Shocking to watch
Harrisburg il?
wow this is how not to do it way to put interior crews in danger dont flow water from the outside when you have a crew inside smh thats just one of the things i saw wrong here can we learn from this yes take this video to your training room and do a breakdown of this and look at what can be inproved upon etc be safe my brothers and sisters
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Being a firefighter is a thankless job. With UA-cam, we now have armchair quarterbacks second guessing everyone's next move. These guys don't enjoy letting their neighborhoods burn! If you want to blame someone, blame the captain for not maintaining proper fire command and lack of personnel training, blame the water department for not maintaining the hydrants! These problems start from the top, not at the fireman level. If you want to see the difference that excelling in all of these areas makes, go watch David Decker's UA-cam channel.
Seems like the pump operator took a lunch break after they pull up....Cool Video!
Really super slow at saving property. The slowest I have ever seen.
That fire should not of flare up again
Maybe bring some pans next time
A good, quick pump operator will assist in getting a good, quick knock down........at another fire.
Thankfully it was not a windy day or this would have got real bad. Andy England 🇬🇧
Is this a paid fire department? If so they need some training real bad!
Anyone hear of an interior attack?
nice garden hose buddy..
That's how firefighters die
They need training bad!!