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Regarding the Belter language: it's known as LangBelta and developed by linguist Nick Farmer. It's intended to be a creole of multiple Earth languages to represent the diversity of ethnic backgrounds the early space labor class came from. There's bits of Chinese, Dutch, Russian, German...and it also includes a gestural language that originated from the need to communicate in a space suit when voice communication might be unreliable. This is why Lt. Lopez demands Naomi show her hands, because for a Belter, lying would be also seen in the hands as they'd be a source of expression as well as the face.
"kopeng" means "friend", derived from the French "copain". There's a subreddit, /r/LangBelta, for those who want to learn more. It's highly speakable!
Not to inyalowda, my beratna, they don't know their gova from their imbobo.
I love the language. I am not good enough with stuff like that to actually remember most of it, but a few words always creep in , sasa ke ?
A subtle but important aspect of the Belter language is hand movements. It comes from needing to communicate while wearing a space suit or vac suit. The helmets prevent getting emotional clues from facial expressions and in case you're suit radio goes out.
This is amazing but of information to find out. I needed something to eat away more hours of my day haha
To r/langbelta I go!
I love that in the girl's room in the brothel, Havelock's cactus was on the shelf. He really did care about her
I've watched this series over 5 times and I've never noticed that!
Nice catch.
Amos is violent, and he can act suddenly, but what makes him scary is that he doesn't get angry. He's terrifyingly calm.
Hands down, Amos is my favorite character in both the books and the show. Wes Chatham does SUCH a good job. (Jared Harris as Anderson Dawes is SUCH a close second though, at least for the show)
Amos everyones favourite amiable sociopath.
In the show and reality, Ceres is a dwarf planet (more like a moon than an asteroid) in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter; in the show, they’ve mostly hollowed it out and turned it into a massive space station spinning to produce an analogue of gravity. The “nicer” areas are closer to the perimeter since they get “more gravity,” and the deeper you go the worse it gets.
Also the deeper you go, the worse the Coriolis effect is, hence the liquor pouring diagonally in the prior episode.
Here's a nice detailed map showing the solar system and who controls what, at the start of the tv series: i.redd.it/cnb9um8blf651.png
One more word to the spin: In reality, Ceres' gravitation is 3% of Earth's (0.03 G with 1 G = the acceleration of a falling body on Earth = ca. 10m/s²). According to the books, the spin creates 0.3 G (outwards) on Ceres on the equator on surface level (it's obviously not real gravity, but you get the principle), which is about the same as Mars' gravity (reality) and also the same as the standard linear acceleration/deceleration of starships en route (books and TV series) = ca. 3m/s².
Ceres isn't so much "hollowed out" but a rabbit Warren of mining shafts and chambers from early resource extraction.
@@cinedelasestrellas the closer to the core, the axis of rotation, the worse the coriolis effect is. Richer people can afford to live closer to the surface, farthest away from the core, where the coriolis effect is less.
Miller pouring the liquor was meant to show that he lives closer to the core, the poorer area, the slums.
Since I'm a native french speaker, I immediately got what "Kopeng" meant. It's derived from the french word "copain" which means "friend". It's etymology is from "cum" (the roman word for "with", not what you first thought of, you pervert !) and "pain", the french word for "bread". So it means "with bread" or bettter "one you would share bread with".
Just pausing at 9:25 to say, Miller's hat IS ridiculous, because he's on a space station. He said it was to keep the rain off, but there is no rain. There is no weather at all.
wanted to add same comment, but you are first :)
In space, no one wears hats.
Alex wore a beanie on the Cant. I find it interesting that other reactors also found his fedora dumb. At one point that was a symbol of adulthood. Now adults wear beanies and ball caps and trucker hats. How times have changed.
@@m.e.3862 I am one of few that think Miller with fedora is awesome. Fedora is for me the symbol of noir detective. But also it is his last connection to Earth, "to keep off the rain" in place, where could never rain. Similar to the feet in the soil of Cant captain.
"There is no weather at all" False, there would be weather, just not as you know and recognize it. Large buildings on Earth can have their own identifiable weather patterns, like the NASA Assembly Building. Its not to the level of having fucking rain clouds and such like popular myth would have you believe, but it is there in subtle ways.
It seems to me that Mars wants a statement from Holden that Naomi & the OPA are responsible for the destruction of the Cant to undo all the damage that Holden did when he connected Mars to the Cant with that video he sent out. Mars simply wants to find someone else to blame for the Cant since everyone in the Belt now assumes it was them.
Right. Mars needs a scapegoat because they don't want a war with earth. That scapegoat can't, therefore be Holden or Amos who are earthers, or Alex, a martian, leaving only Naomi. It's all political theater.
^THIS
Not to mention, I feel like Mars knows that Naomi worked aboard the Cant...supporting the theory that it was internal sabotage (given that she's an engineer, who would 100% have the ability to do so). An explosion could just as easily be the result of a reactor meltdown as a torpedo
So glad you guys are enjoying. Next episode is sort of the end of the 4 episode "pilot." Strap in!
CQB is the episode that hooked me
@@MeanLaQueefa Indeed, and once you see where the show is going, it is very much the end of the first mini arc.
THIS. I absolutely LOVE Ep 4. It's def the one that convinced me to watch the rest of the series
Did he say strap in or strap on?
Remember Nerdy, the dialogue in this show doesn't service the episode, but rather the whole story.
Martians aren't dumb, well, these ones aren't anyway lol. The questions all had legitimate purpose. You get a hint via subtext from the start of the episode.
Alex said "Thier jammers are in range" so the Donnager could have jammed Holden's message.
Why didn't they?
Until Holden broadcasted, they were just thought to be an innocent stranded shuttle.
So why was The Donnager in a position to receive the distress call?
I really like this episode because it's a really good and not often used technique to organically tell us about our characters.
Story over Episode - This ain't your grandad's Star Trek :p
Lieutenant Lopez uses a focus drug that allows him to recognize and catalog micro-expressions and other unconscious tells during interrogations.
Is there a point in this entire series where they expain this? The first time I watched this I knew what the drug was for but I don't know why I know. Is it just a common enough trope in scifi?
@@praxistallyogarro, a moderately common trope in scifi, though in the books it is made much more clearly, in both "Leviathan Wakes" and "Gods of Risk."
The sound cues in the scene and other cues tell you. Up until he takes the pill there is very soft hiss of air systems and background sound that suddenly becomes silent when he takes the pill. We see his pupils adjust and his body language and expression become angular and sharp. It is subtle conveyance of information shown but not told.
@@praxistallyogarro eye-movements, facial micro-expressions, and larger body-language "tells" are already known about to us today. Good interrogators use them as an information source. The sound design, camera angles and acting tell us that Lopez has been heightened or sharpened (even if some of us as viewers only realise that sub-consciously). So you probably pieced that together without knowing it overtly. It is explained more explicitly in later seasons, but no spoilers here.
@@MattNolanCustom "Good interrogators" know that universal tells for lying are a myth and even the alphabet agencies in the US like the FBI and CIA openly state its bullshit pseudoscience. Same with polygraphs, even the inventor went on a crusade trying to get police to stop using them because they don't detect lies (they aren't admissible in court for a reason), they are more often used to illicit false confessions from people that are gullible and don't know their rights. But that's another matter to rant about.
Those tells are going to give you the same info that a polygraph is. Anxiety, behavioral quirks, and emotional duress. And nothing else. Learning an individual's tells takes a long time and familiarity. Popping a magic pill won't change that, if anything, too much detail can be just as big a curse as too little. Which is why all he knows is that he thinks she is lying but, they'd think that anyways because she is a Belter and an easy scapegoat which is what they were after. And what he claims she is lying about is hilariously wrong, he only said OPA because of racism (educated belters are terrorists, according to him). He had no idea that she was formerly OPA or what she had done (been tricked into doing), it was borderline racial profiling (I don't know which term to use here regarding Belters, you get my point) and scapegoating.
And before anyone whines about spoilers in my comment, you are on a year old reaction video, shut the fuck up.
Jared Harris is fantastic as Anderson Dawes, who is a combination of Malcolm X and Don Vito Corleone. And he actually is the person who created the accent that all of the other Belter characters adopted from then on.
"one of the accents" may be more accurate, respectfully. A certain burnt-faced bastard also created a belter accent all his own ;)
He is fantastic at everything.
SPOILERS:
I really wish they could've got him back for season 6.
@@rasantefalso They tried - Nareen and Manny had plans to bring him back, and Harris was game, but the logistics didn’t work out. Look for the Ty and That Guy podcast with Clinton Shorter (music) and Nareen Shankar.
I saw The Crown at about the time I saw The Expanse. I thought, “it’s George VI!”
@@northerntao probably Foundation conflicts
And Clarus is on the right track for the Martians. It's an interrogation tactic, they're not making assumptions, and it's not exactly that they're trying to sow dissension among their crew, they're basically just saying things so the interrogators pumped up on focus drugs and gauge their reaction. They don't really care if what they are saying is true, they're just trying to say things that will generate a strong response.
Remember the thing about stealth ships is that you're not supposed to see them, so the Donager probably didn't see the ship that killed the Cant. Next episode is absolutely wild.
They can be seen but might be they need to be really close. The Cant detected the ship when it came close. Well maybe Mars does not have tech to detect stealth since it doesn't need it since at that time they think only they have stealth, while Earth's ship need to detect stealth for protection, but why would a civilian freight ship need one against military ship. Even if it detects Mars military ship, it can't do much against it.
CQB is the tipping point for the early show for sure
@@operatorlink The Cant detected it when it started maneuvering. The drive plume and attitude thruster would give its position away. These ships maintain stealth by limiting EM emissions, this means absorbing active scans, containing internal heat, and not using any thrusters.
Avasarala is EPIC! I think this is Shohreh Aghdashloo's best work.
Holden's confidence, right?
Ceres is in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. Discovered in 1801 and reclassified from asteroid to dwarf planet in 2006. In the show, the interior has been dug out to make the areas we see. It was set spinning to create the effect of gravity. That's why the water pours weird in the first (?) episode.
I loved your, "Is that a Mormon?"
OK, we've been introduced to the three main political factions. Now comes the wild ride.
Man, how cool is Ceres.
Ah yes the three factions Earth, Mars and the Mormons 😂
Everyone gets a pony, and a bj!
@@GreenBoxStudio1 SO hard not to spoil it for them!
It introduces characters you may only see once, but you never forget them.
I read the first Expanse book a few months ago and I started watching the show the same day you guys posted your first reaction. I'm on season 3. I love this show. I can't believe I didn't watch it before now.
I love that you don’t think the hat is ridiculous but haven’t realized why it is. He lives on a space station with no sun, there is no need for hats and no one else is wearing them.
No rain, either.
It always struck me as a very American reaction when reactors don't see what wrong with wearing a hat all the time.
@@Ausecko1 He doesn't wear it all the time. He doesn't wear it when he's at home, for instance.
Ceres was an asteroid. It is now classified as a dwarf planet, like Pluto.
Also, it would look a lot different as the exterior was subjected to nuclear bombardment to melt and solidify it before spinning it up.
The thing you should prepare yourself for is that the Expanse has many rolling mysteries that some get solved within the season and others may take a couple seasons. But, as one mystery is resolved they introduce new things for you to chew on so you get the satisfaction of getting answers to mysteries but then you always have something to ponder at the same time.
Do those chairs have seat belts? 1 & 2 introduced you to earthers and belters. This episode introduced the martians. The introductions are over. This story is going plaid next time. Buckle up!
Every character and situation in this show rings with an appreciable genuineness that is hard to resist. Everyone involved in the production puts in 110% and it shows. We are very lucky Amazon picked it up when it was in danger of cancellation. There are a lot of characters that are bound to grow on you, especially Amos, who forms an intersection between so many worlds and acts as a foil to expose the motives and true feelings of the other characters. What a ride!
Havlock’s attack is….shocking. Time to buckle up, things are about to kick off.
If you remember in Episode Two when Detective Miller was talking about "the Grigas?" The gang that crucified Havelock were Grigas.
Ceres is a super big asteroid, hollowed out to make room for a space station, it spins to create "gravity".
specifically while the classification is more recent, Ceres is the First Dwarf Planet and the largest object in the asteroid belt, back when it was first discovered it was actually considered to be a full planet between mars and jupiter, then we started finding the other belt objects and suddenly it didnt seem like a 'planet' and got relabelled to the largest asteroid
I don't think they've completely hollowed out Ceres. It's the largest asteroid in the belt. It's more than 900km in diameter. I think the best option given all we know is there is station on rails that moves through a tunnel just under the surface of Ceres. It would have to spin with people's feet towards space, so they're upside down. It's like one of those moving cities in Mortal Engines, but just endlessly circling Ceres underground.
@spacechampion, No, just no. It’s not hollowed out like a wiffle ball. There are tunnels carved into its mass. Probably less than 1% of Ceres’ total mass has been excavated to make those tunnels.
@@spacechampi0n They live in tunnels that spiral through a spinning Ceres' "South". There's probably mines all over since Earth and Mars have "stolen all the water".
They never said the Martians shot the Cant, only that they found a beacon that had MARS on it on the Scopuli before it was blown up. Now, Holden saying that makes everyone assume it was Mars, but that's not actually what he said. *This is actually important, because Holden doesn't hold himself at all responsible for anyone's assumptions following his announcement.*
I watched this when it first came out. When it came to the Martian flagship and the interrogations, my impression was that the Martians simply didn't believe the whole "stealth ship fired missiles at the Canterbury" story. They seemed to think that Naomi was an OPA agent who had destroyed the Canterbury via sabotage and then escaped on a shuttle with four other crew, some of whom (Holden) might have been working with her. They knew a *lot* about the crew (i.e., Holden's background, the medic's fake credentials). So their assumption that Naomi was OPA seemed plausible. I also remember wondering why the Martians were keeping all the prisoners together instead of splitting them up.
Remember the Cannot! The battle cry of heroes
About the Message getting through. Alex said the jammers where in range, he didn't know if they had actually been jammed or not, just that they might have.
I got the impression that the Donnager didn’t believe there *was* a stealth ship
Well, after all, they're the only ones with stealth....Alex said so.
@@kirkdarling4120 exactly
The thin with the Donnager crew`s assumption about Naomi actually makes sense at least partially. They see a ship blowing up (if they even did). When they try to go safe the survivors, those survivors have nothing better to do than accusing Mars aka them of actually destroying the Can`t, err Cant (Sorry, couldn`t resist :P). Probably blurs their mind about asking more precice questions.
The ships motor it’s a nuclear reactor. Naomi works with the software. so, the martians were suggesting that she turned the reactor into a nook.
It is an interesting point tho that Holden could have said "I was the one that logged the call and chose Naomi for the away mission, she didn't even want to go"
You're correct on what the pill does -- it gives the Martian (Lopez) heighten senses to the other person's reactions. It is cool (to myself) that instead of giving a drug to the person who is being interrogated, the interrogator instead takes the drug.
Ceres is a dwarf planet in the asteroid belt about 300 miles in radius. The US Dawn spacecraft orbited Ceres and Vesta in 2015. From the photographs taken by Dawn, scientists now suspects there is frozen water on Ceres and perhaps even an ocean underneath.
Lieutenant Lopez, the guy doing the interrogations, was saying random things to see what their reactions, also to try and throw them off balance. It's a standard interrogation tactic.
also for baseline reactions
Since you asked...
Here's a small, non-essential info dump on Ceres Station and how gravity works on space stations in The Expanse. Contains ZERO SPOILERS.
What is Ceres? It's a very large asteroid. Large enough so that its natural gravity is sufficiently strong to make it into a sphere (small ones remain oddly shaped). It's big for an asteroid, but still way smaller than our moon. It is hollowed out near the surface, and spun up by external engines so that it generates it's own internal spin-gravity*. Cares Station itself is built into the asteroid. To be clear, when on Ceres, your 'up' is toward the center of the asteroid, and your 'down' is toward the surface. It's like you're walking on the inside of the surface. lol
How that artificially generated gravity feels is still gonna be weird for you and me, but after a while, it's manageable. Pay attention when they pour drinks, the effect is brilliant! ;-]
* Spin-gravity on space stations is one third of Earth gravity, like on Mars and other locations where many humans live and work in The Expanse.
It is the same on ships under thrust, unless in battle, or otherwise in a hurry. This is the standard that is used by all Earthers, Martians, and Belters within this show's universe. It seems to have been chosen as the minimum for humans to have relatively normal development. The physical anomalies of certain Belters is attributable to growing up in areas where this standard is either not respected, or just not possible.
Welcome to one of the best sci-fi series ever! Cheers!
"Your educational History is quite impressive" might be the hottest Whisper I've ever heard.
Whisper more, Mars Daddy.
Earth and Mars both have consistently committed atrocities against the belt as sorta explained in episode 1. So basically the belters here are aggressive towards the earthers they can get their hands on despite them not being the ones responsible
Belter creole is an amalgam of many different earth languages. But the belter language is also paired with a rich gesture language that evolved from working in space-suits where subtle gestures are hard to see. As you go through the series pay attention to gestures between Belters because they are used consistently and are effectively part of the dialog.
The MCRN is just so confident that no one could possibly have their technology, that they don't even entertain the idea. And they are so distrustful of the Belt that even a tangential link is enough, because Earth is too weak to even try something at this point.
Though I have watched the entire series through at least 3 times, I'm really enjoying seeing Expanse Noobs watch it for the first time. Buckle up the next episode is a doozy.
CQB(episode 4) was the eps that got me officially hooked.
Wanted to tell you a little background info about this story...and why it feels so real. Ty Franck and Daniel Abraham...who write together as James S.A. Corey got together and Ty Frank built this world for a RPG and Daniel Abraham was an author...that the two of them wrote alternating main characters. One wrote Miller and the other wrote Holden, but then swapped and they edited each other's POV chapters.
So each wrote the book, but Miller is one authors' character and the other is the other author's character. The story is basically Daniel Abraham, but all the places are written by Ty Frank. He build the world and Daniel wrote a story within the world. That is why it feels SO lived in and real. The doorway is a character...because that doorway leads to this or that place and it is ALL realized within this world.
So glad that you mentioned that Nightly.
Part of why they assumed Naiomi blew up the Cant, is earth and Mars’s HARD bias against Belters, especially OPA. It matches their preconceived expectations, so they don’t question it, even if it’s unreasonable.
Ceres is the largest asteroid in the belt, representing _~40%_ of the belt's total mass (and ~3.5 times more massive than the next largest asteroid, Vesta), making it large enough to retain a spherical shape, though it's diameter is half of our Moon's, and it's mass only 1.3%.
Now that the introductions are over, the dance begins.
This is a show that continues to get better and better as it goes. Season 2 & 3 are fantastic.
& 4 & 5 & 6
@@TheJerbol agree
Up to a point. For me, after season 4 it started to go downhill and by the end I didn't really care about the issue that the show focused on and wanted the focus on the issue that it was only giving lip service to.
@@FTLNewsFeed The show has always been about humanity. But the books should satisfy some of what you want, the show ended on what I think is the weakest book
This show is multilayered. Mars doesn't actually think Naomi blew up the Canterbury. But they will claim that if it buys them time to find out what's actually going on.
As far as I see it, the thing with Naomi and the OPA is them trying to put out fires that are the most urgent, at the moment they got the message out blaming mars so everyone in the system is currently forming their own opinions on what is happening leading to things like the Ceres riot. Not only is Naomi a belter, the only one amongst the surviving crew (even not knowing Shed's background, he doesn't have anything to point to the fact that he is a belter at least outwardly, usually accent or tattoos give them away), they have reason to suspect she might be tied to the OPA based on her education background and why she was working on a bucket like the Cant doing nothing work. So basically sick it on her to put out the political fire and then figure out what the fuck happened, all while they have a ship headed their way that they don't recognize. So they plant the seeds, sway opinions in the group, get a statement from as many of them as possible pointing the finger at Naomi, all while collecting video evidence from the room of them arguing. That and the info about mars not working with the OPA is something only earth knows, and right now the opinions in the system are swaying against their enemy so they would basically try to figure shit out but play it quiet. So the statement from Holden himself would immediately quell a lot of political shit the fastest so Holden would be the most useful person to sway.
19:10 the thing youre missing is that Holden said on his broadcast that they were attacked by a ship woth a Mars engine signature. Mars came to investigate because they thought they were being framed.
13:10 Ceres is the largest body in the Asteroid Belt and makes up iirc half of the mass of the asteroid belt on its own. In the expanse it basically got turned into a giant space station by digging tunnels and giving it a spin to create spin gravity.
The Martians at this point don't believe that there was another ship at all, as far as i can tell. They believe (as Naomi was Chief Engineer and a really good one as well), that Naomi just faked the entire attack, had the ship's sensors show things that weren't there and then just overloaded the Reactor, to stage a false flag attack.
And if you wouldn't believe that there was another ship at all, would it matter if that non-existant ship had stealth tech and thus would most likely be martian? No, of course not, because you think it doesn't exist.
The Donnager at this point also most likely doesn't know yet that Earth caught an OPA courier with stealth tech, soi it doesn't even cross their minds that maybe there actually was a stealth ship there.
The Expanse is a show of Characters acting with incomplete information, while we as the audience get a bit more of an insight but still not the whole picture until much later.
Looking forward to the next episode :)
Also, for the Expanse the names of episodes absolutely do matter :)
Ceres is by far the largest asteroid in the Belt, and was spotted by humans using telescopes even before Uranus or Neptune.
Naomi is the perfect scapegoat because she has a documented history with the Outer Planets Alliance. Yes, they should try and dig deeper for the truth, but now it's about damage control.
5:37 Funny that you mention Criminal Minds, Lola Glaudino who played Captain Shaddid here (2:59) was in the original lineup as Elle Greenway before.her character had a mental break, unraveled and split from the team.
I can’t wait till you realize the real mystery and have your mind blown
Ceres is the largest object in the asteroid belt. It is massive enough in order for its gravity to crush it into a sphere. It is currently classified as a dwarf planet.
Great reaction! Glad you are enjoying this show! Strap in because this ride hasn't even got warmed up YET!
Chrisjen will do anything to win...
The interrogation of the Cant crew serves as character background and moving the story along.
Remember there are no wasted lines or scenes in this show!
Looking forward to the next one!
You have now been initiated- now prepare yourselves 😁 This is gonna be awesome. I started my rewatch with you guys but then couldn’t stop watching again and have almost finished season 2 again 🤷🏻♀️
There are so many great actors in this, many are local from Toronto where this was filmed.
When that SOS was sent, they said they were in range of the jammers. They didn't know if the jammers were turned on or not.
If Mars was approaching them with hostile intent, it seemed likely that they would be on, but they didn't know one way or the other.
I don't know which reaction I get more excited for every week; The Expanse, or Attack on Titan. And knowing each show only gets better and more bat-shit insane as the seasons go on, it doesn't help my indecision
Loving the time you take to speak in depth about what you've watched, including thematic as well as plot elements. So many reactions are barely surface level
The "Martian" stealth ship did not fire at the 5 in the knight shuttle and miss, It fired at the Canterbury. Holden even realises that when the torpedos pass by them, And tries to warn the Canterbury. Why the stealth ship didn't blow up the 5 on the shuttle is the interesting question, Was it because Naomi is an OPA inside agent? As the Martians believe..
Ceres is a dwarf planet, the largest body in the Asteroid Belt between Mars and Jupiter.
So Ceres is the largest asteroid in our solar system, it's technically a dwarf planet but still much smaller than Pluto or our moon. It's roughly 100km in diameter and one of a handful of objects in the asteroid belt to be rounded by its own gravity. It's one of the few places outside of Earth/Luna and Mars to support a population of several million people and probably the most populated object in the rest of the solar system outside of some of the Jovian and Saturn's moons. It actually has a lot of water, but that's what the rabble rouser from the pilot was complaining about how they 'stripped it away' mostly likely to use most of it to make oxygen for other places, mainly Mars based on where the most people are living that doesn't already have enough O2.
As for what did earth do, it's basically just racism, so far as Belter thugs like the guys who pinned up Havelock are concerned people from Earth and Mars are all 'inners' and they don't like any of them, in much the same way people from Iran or Pakistan are all 'Arabs' to racist Americans. The term that Miller was called the first episode was welwala, which he said meant traitor to his people, but literally would translate as well lover, meaning someone who loves the gravity wells of terrestrial planets.
Ceres has a diameter of just under 1000 km, not only 100.
First time I watched this episode I just stared in shock at the ending, wishing I had someone to talk to about it.
From my watching of it, Mars doesn't think Naomi destroyed the Cant. They want to scapegoat the OPA. And the OPA are famous for sabotage missions, and as the repair chief, Naomi can EASILY sabotage ships in invisible ways. Also, the OPA are a huge terrorist organization. And a disappearing stealth ship (Something only the Martians have) working against Mars and not under the orders of the Donnager, sounds impossible, so it must be a lie. Finally, remember this is one ship reacting within less than a day of the actual incident. And all they have to go off of is Holden's message
Thanks for watching this. It's great to have another thoughtful, intelligent, channel reacting to this show.
Hope this helps refresh your memory, Nerdy.
Lopez was played by Greg Bryk, who is best known for his reoccurring roles in ReGenesis, XIII: The Series, Bitten, and Frontier.
Shed Garvey was played by Paulo Costanzo, who is is best known for playing Aximili-Esgarrouth-Isthill (Ax) in the TV series Animorphs, the roles of Rubin Carver in the comedy film Road Trip, Alexander Cabot in Josie and the Pussycats, Michael Tribbiani in the NBC sitcom Joey, Evan R. Lawson in the USA Network series Royal Pains, and Lyor Boone in the ABC political drama Designated Survivor.
Loved the start. There are some great Lang Belta resources out there to help know what they're saying and courses to learn the creole.
So happy you guys are reacting to this show. Alot of the subtle things this show does to build the world goes over alot of peoples heads
So excited for you guys - being able to watch the show again for the first time, vicariously through you, is a lot of fun. The next episode, CQB, is the first truly great episode, IMO. Have fun not binging after that! .D
I liked the concept of a truth serum that the interrogator takes. It must work better when taken from a modern, high-tech, martian pez dispenser.
They only said Holden’s crew was in range of the Donager’s jammers, not that they were actually being jammed. They wouldn’t know if they were being jammed or not.
I liked this episode because we start to learn a little bit about the crew on the Knight. A bit of world building is cool too. Good teacher for Havalok. Yeah so Julie Mao was on the Scopuli and since that's been destroyed... I love Sheds rambling. I like how casual the Martian is with her tea. Ceres is a large asteroid that they built a station into. It's between Mars and Jupiter. It's sad how Chrisjen burned her relationship with Frank. Hey Havalok, hang around...
"Keep alive just a little bit longer. And then just a little bit longer."
Well, I guess we already know which people you're going to side with.
I only just found your channel from your Vox Machina review, but I love your review of the Expanse. I recently finished book 2 after having watched the series twice. Watching you react has inspired me to watch season 1 again. I watched it originally on regular TV and also from Bluray. I have to throw in my 2 cents on the issue, I didn't have any problems with the sound in my first 2 viewings. Back then I had a fancy sound system. Now, I only have my TV's built in sound system and I completely understand having the subtitles. Can't wait for you to see episode 4, amongst my favourites for the whole show.
I am really really enjoying y’all’s reactions. Both of you have so much energy and personality. I love it. Really glad I subbed!
Nerdy, I think you'll probably see more of this as time goes on, but Martians are taught from birth that essentially they are the only honorable people in the system. So for them to conceive of the idea that there could be some rogue Martians going around shooting at Earth vessels without instructions to do so is just 100% antithetical to their "programming." Similarly, they would never believe that Belter/OPA terrorists have somehow commandeered a Martian vessel and caused it to fire upon Earthers, because in their mind Mars is invincible. These concepts are just inconceivable to them. So from their perspective, it's not possible that Mars (or a Mars vessel) destroyed the Cant, and it wouldn't make sense for the Earthers to destroy one of their own, so that leaves the OPA, whom they regard as a terrorist organization in the first place, so that, to them, makes the most sense. How did an OPA ship get stealth tech? That's harder to figure out, but (in the Martian mind) maybe they developed it on their own, or maybe a Belter somewhere stole the information from Mars at some point. It's easier for them to believe that than any of the other alternatives.
This incident, and everyone's response to it, sort of illustrates the central issues of the Cold War and why everything is so dangerous and precarious at this point. Nobody knows who nuked the Cantebury, but everyone assumes it's one of the other factions, whom they're already predisposed to distrust. So that "single spark" that was mentioned in the opening of the first episode, the spark that could start an all out war? This could be it. Unless cooler heads prevail, and soon.
Ceres is the largest object in the main asteroid belt.
Amos just gets better and better. I can’t wait for y’all to get further into it. So glad you’re both enjoying it!
Amos talking about junk itch is a "Don't think about the purple elephant". He is being a jerk and trying to make the guard think their junk itches so that they will be uncomfortable. Gotta get those daggers in where you can when you are in jail.
Can't wait for your reaction to episode 4; said with evil grin
You two are asking the right questions, regarding the interigation. I think people saying the plot is slow is more the plot not being spoon fed, you don't get answers right away.
Best way to view things is everyone is fairly biased, and instead of good vs. evil, there is a lot of grey
There's a handful of good and evil characters but yes, the factions are grey.
Amos is going to be the most fun character to follow because of the writing and Wes Chatham. The actor really worked with the writers and a psychologist to develop how someone that is highly functional but also on the spectrum would behave in a world like the Expanse. His lack of being able to understand social interactions makes for good drama.
It's not a lack of being able to understand social interactions, he understands different aspects of it better than most.
Judging a guys hat whilst wearing a Superman peaked cap🤣😂🤣 love this show💚🇬🇧🌱
Hope you're having fun in the expanse? Best Sci Fi made in a while imo...
Ceres is in the asteroid belt. It's big enough to be round, so these day's it's considered a "dwarf planet"
Great to see you enjoying the show. If your reactions to the first 3 episodes are any indication of what you like, be careful, you may need seatbelts for what's coming. And perhaps heart medication. This show is off the charts in terms of concept and execution.
`that was an escalation of violence`. So, eh, who´s gonna break the news of next episode, next season and the rest of the show to him.....
Ceres is like Pluto, it was once considered a planet until they discovered a whole lot of other things in its orbit, they called those things asteroids (star-like thing) and the whole region the Asteroid belt. Ceres is the largest object in the asteroid belt. It's massive enough that it's roughly spherical so it's a proper dwarf planet like Pluto. In The Expanse they have dug tunnels through it and increased its rotation to provide spin gravity so, instead of people living on the surface, they live on the "roofs" of those tunnels. Eros, which will come up eventually, is a large asteroid that is classified as a "near-Earth object" which crosses Mars' orbit, though it's smaller so it isn't spherical, but more bean-shaped. It has also been spun up to provide spin gravity to tunnels inside.
The focus pill is never adequately explained in the show, but you rightly guessed that it increases the person's perception and focus. Like super-adderall without the jitters.
As for "What did Earth do", Earth-based corporations sent people to work in the belt as intentured servants, have treated them like slaves for over a century. Revolts end with air being shut off. Belters can't return to Earth because the gravity is too high, they have to live in space where Earth corporations reign. Imagine if you worked for Amazon, but also they provided your housing, food, water, power, air, schools, literally everything. That's what Earth did.
Tenye wa chesh gut, screaming firehawks!
Oyedeng Beltalowda!
Not surprised you recognize Thomas Jane from something. The Punisher &The Mist were his biggest roles, but he's been in all kinds of stuff.
About the interrogation, the pill they take expands perception. A trained martian interrogator uses this a bit like a human lie detector, but people don't necessarily have to lie. He can throw statements/accusations out there and depending on their reaction can deduct if he's digging close to the truth or not.
About them not believing them they were attacked by a stealth ship, I think the idea is so absurd to them that they are dismissing it outright, probably thinking they were attacked by belter pirates, and that the Surviving Cant crew is just wrong about there being an actual stealth ship. There are after all ways that non-stealth ships can go "dark" and act stealthy.
Ceres is the largest asteroid in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. It's a spherical "dwarf planet" about 1/4 the size of the Moon. In this series it's the site of the largest Belter colony, "Ceres station."
I can’t wait until y’all get to meet Amos more. He is the most interesting character in television in my opinion.
Everybody mocks the hat because you don't need a hat in space... "Keeps the rain off my head"
on the sound front, if you are sharing a bluetooth headset, make sure its set to mono output - I watched it with 5.1 surround sound and didnt have any issues with it, they did a good job with locality on the sound. Hence the query on sharing a stereo headset.
I love that you are already starting to identify yourself in the characters... lol. ❤️!!
I miss this show. I'm going to re-watch it
I bet someone else said this below, but Mars is definitely just interested in having a story that doesn't mean they are responsible. The other part of that interrogation is a deliberate effort to get the crew to turn on each other so that if any of them know anything they'll spill instead of sticking together.
Our girl said 'we don't have enough information ', and the same can be said for the Donager, they dont have the information that Chrisjen just revealed. Also the Donnager wasn't near the Cant when she bkew up, remember the shuttle was tumbling and drifting a while before being picked up by the Martians.
That joke...I needed that. Can't wait for you to watch the next episode.