He went from "the best" to just "a defender", the localisation isn't even trying to make him look impressive in-universe. EDIT: Ok, I was under the impression that Sebastian Debeste actually got localised to Eddie Fender. My bad. Still, poor Eddie Fender.
Y'all remember when Apollo Justice was known as Justin Case before AA4 came to the west and people got all pissy over the name change? This is literally history repeating itself.
I personally prefer the main chars name to be normal/slight pun, as I think it would get annoying pretty quickly otherwise. Reserve the pun names to the fun characters, I say
@@SteveCrafts2k you'd be surprised how up in arms people were when Apollo Justice was officially localized. Fans of Apollo's unofficial name came up with any and all excuses to try and say his new name sucks and prop up the old one. From the top of my head, simply the fact that his name is Justice and that he is a lawyer made detractors real pissy, like "Really, Justice? No one would take that seriously. I'm just gonna keep calling him *Justin Case* when the game comes out." It's the same situation with Eustace now. By the time the investigations collection comes out, I guarantee you that most of those detractors will flip sides
Eddie Fender and "uncle Edd" is new, but i could get used to it. Verity Gavelle will probably adjust fine for me. Tabitha Lloyd, idk i didn't care for Nicole enough to have it be a surprise. But i will NEVER, you hear me? *NEVER,* get used to Sebastian's localization name
I actually kind of like the headcanon that the characters themselves picked their new names. Justine's pick was something really elegant and fitting, Shields's pick is kind of goofy but catchy, and Sebastian's pick is total crap. Jokes aside, I don't mind the new names that much, even Eustace Winner has a sort of "so bad it's good" charm that fits the character.
I agree to be honest. Now that you mention it, it just fits their characters way too much in hindsight. These are names I'd believe these characters would choose.
For those complaining about pun names being to obvious, let's be real here and admit Ace Attorney has always done this. It's equal parts stupid and hilarious. As all puns should be.
Y'know, it didn't take me too long to get used to the new names... but you just brought up the fact that their voices are also going to be different and THAT is something I am not excited for. 😭
Strictly speaking it was illegal to use the fan names (fanworks, even if they're not fair use still have the original aspects belonging to the creators), but I am going to miss them. I still wish they had come to an agreement to use the names, just like how the kotor2 restored content mod is worked into new ports of the game. But Japan doesn't have fair use and cross country copyright for unauthorized translations is extremely complicated.
It’s going to take a lot to get used to all the changes. Not only in people’s names, but also brand names (goodbye zZz, hello 3Zs) and dialogue. It just shows how much of a good job the fan translation team did.
Coming in here post-release (and currently being at case 2-3), I'll admit the Eustace Winner reveal set my expectations to "oh no are *all* the best names taken?" It's not even a bad name, and I hadn't guessed the explanation that seems to be wiki canon at this point: "comes from "εὐστᾰθής" (eustathis), which means "steadfast" and could be irony" (with a sidenote of "also sounds like useless"). It's just... Sebastian Debeste is such a fucking perfect name that it's the one I'd have expected an official localization to go with if it hadn't been taken by a translation they legally can't acknowledge. But I've been happy to find out so far that the fear was unfounded. Felt relief immediately with Tabby Lloyd, and from there I have to say most of the characters I've run into so far have either had on par or stronger gags. And also, extremely mild 2-3 spoilers... . . . . . . . . Delicia calling him "Winniepooh" makes it all worth it
@@Aceedius The name as grown on me, though I still prefer Sebastian :b I also like how the localization team has referenced the Fan translation name, like in the final "animation" I guess you can call it, or whatever(? prior to the release where Eustace appears and calls himself *the best*. Or an actual dialogue in-game where someone calls his "some deWinner kid" or something like that
@@ManticoraYee Haha yeah, I thought the same thing when I saw that line in the game. They definitely know about the fan patch, I could be misremembering but I think Janet Hsu even complimented it publicly on a personal account back when no one expected there to ever be an official localization. But of course, Capcom can't _officially_ acknowledge or incorporate parts of it since it's an unauthorized use of their trademarks, and all that nonsense. With that in mind it's cute that they still managed to squeeze in a few "plausibly deniable" winks!
Honestly my biggest objection with Eustace is the “Winner” part. Eustace is a real name and it mapping onto “useless” makes sense story wise. “Winner” just doesn’t sound like a name and it also sounds incredibly childish. Which fits for who Eustace is but what about his dad?? Doesn’t he need at least a little bit of dignity? We can’t round out the evil old man trio with von Karma, Gant, and /Winner/. Just doesn’t sound as good 😂
HOW IS THIS HOW I LEARN TGAT INVESTIGATIONS TWO IS NOT ONLY GETTIBG A LOCALIZATION BUT ALSO THAT THEY CHANGED THE NAMES??? WHY AM I ONLH LEARJUHG THIS NOW??? I will miss you, Sebastian Debeste......
Im more worried about the mannerisms not lining up. The fan translation did an excellent job of capturing everyones emotions in text. It would feel weird to see Blaise talk without his usual "y'see"
I get your worries but there are actually some issues with the character writing in the fan translation that you can notice if you look closely - bunch of things simple as how the localizers write "yare yare" as different terms in English to avoid repetition vs the fan translators always writing it as "good grief". The mannerisms will probably be slightly different which might be tough to get used to, but I think they'll be written a bit better overall. That's what happened with TGAA as well.
I’m kinda bummed Debeste was changed, but I’m honestly just glad we’re even getting an official localization where I don’t have to download anything! My current PC setup can’t handle anything like that.
Not sure how to feel about these new names like they aren't bad at all but I'm so used to the names in the fan translation so I might just stick with the old ones.
Me too, it's been such a long time knowing them with those names so it feels very sudden. I'll get used to the new ones tho (except Eustace he'll always be Sebastian for me 😔🙏)
@@ManticoraYee so before the collection of investigate Miles Edward was the names real fan translations because when I watched some blind reaction videos they had the names before the new ones
@@Blue_diamond156 this is the first time Investigations 2 gets localized outside of Japan officially. Before that, the game was translated by a team of fans wich is where the "old" names come from
This is extremely well written. "May you enlighten us in the way we should refer to you now?" is SUCH an Edgeworth line. (Ok I just watched the entirety of it and burst into laughter, the ending is incredible xD)
I’m so sad they changed Debeste. I was going to get the game just to say “Debeste one for the job is here” every time he showed up… now it doesn’t work
@@neo-didact9285 I don’t feel replacing Debeste for winner in that context works, maybe more so a “Well, he’s a real Winner for this situation.” Would. I can easily change the joke, yes, but Sebastian Debeste is a bad pun and I love it. It’s just my opinion, it’s bad but good. He gets a gold star for a winner of a name, I just feel like it’s the short end of the stick in names
They didn't "change" Debeste, it's a fan translation they're not legally allowed to use. "Winner", while obviously a downgrade, was the best they could do without looking like they're ripping off Debeste.
@@gnomeyt9339 fan works have absolutely no legal protection other than fair use laws. they 100% could legally use the names if they chose. the localisation team just knows they can be made obsolete if fans do all the work for them and have to give some arbitrary justification for their existence.
@@gnomeyt9339 as long as they didn't literally copy paste the entire fan translation script, there's absolutely nothing the fan translation team could do to stop them.
I just don't understand what is the point of this whole war of "which is better". Why cannot we just use both names interchangeably? Fire Emblem and Danganronpa communities have been doing it for years (Fire Emblem is pretty much 50/50 official and fan). And it's not like it creates confusion since pretty much everyone knows the fan-translation names after they've been around for 10 years. Even if you prefer name Eustache, you know exaclty who I am talking about when I mention Sebastian.
I wasn’t aware Danganronpa had different names in Japan. I’m surprised actually, given they all have Japanese names in the localization anyway. Edit: Unless Danganronpa had a fan-translation that I’m unaware of…
@@SeiyaTempest In Japanese/older translations of danganronpa, the characters are called their last names (IE Naegi-kun, Hagakure, Ishimaru,or Komaeda) In the steam port, they changed it to use their first names, and in some cases shorter nicknames (Makoto, Hiro, Taka, and Nagito) Its not fully the same thing as what happened with Ace Attorney but you can tell what 'generation' a danganronpa fan is from by what they call the characters and find natural to read in fan fics
@@jl8417 True, Danganronpa's localisation is somewhat Westernised in terms of naming conventions and even pop culture references. They never use honorifics (-san, -chan, -kun, etc.) if I recall correctly. Still, their names aren't actually changed like Ace Attorney, where Ryuichi (Phoenix) and Ryuunosuke share the same surname in Japanese, and their relation becomes lost in translation.
Oh please Blaise, if you want to put your son down, do it correctly. Eustace Winner is a play on 'useless whiner', because both Sebastian and Blaise tend to cry a lot. Eustace is also pronounced similarly to Justice, bringing us back to Apollo's name. So it brings back the duality in the meaning of his official japanese name. And its similarity to the name of one of the main character of the mainline serie. (Yumihiko Ichiyanagi, Ichiyanagi being the first name. The kanji for 'yanagi' and also be pronounced 'ryuu', and Sebastian use Ichiryuu as a surname. Meanwhile, Phoenix Japanese name is Ryuuichi.)
These new names make me die inside 💀 Like, some are too obvious, some just sound bad, I think Capcom is 13 years too late... Like, I'm sorry but some of these just don't fit. They sound so awkward 😭
@suntzu3403 Victor would've been such a better last name if they can’t use Debeste. Won't deny Sebastian Debeste is better but Eustace Victor would've been a decent replacement if they can't use that.
This was done so well, love how you kept them in-character while also adding your own funny bits. That ending was hilarious. I wouldn’t mind you making more AA related content, this was genuinely really well edited.
Omg thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it, and yes I'll probably be making more AA stuff since the announcement of the Investigations collection hyped me up so much :b
"Ray Shields" always made me think of Revenge of the Sith and sci-fi tech, which was funny to me but also felt even sillier than "A defender." Plus, he looks like an Eddie. I dig it. Idk what's up with Verity Gavelle, but it sounds pretty, so good enough. Debeste boy got so screwed.
But there's more to it than that! He also shares his first name with Raymond Burr, the man who played Perry Mason! It ties into how Gregory Edgeworth was named after Gregory Peck, who played Atticus Finch, as both are famous fictional defense attorneys.
They can't acknowledge the fan translation because it requires an emulator which they don't want to be promoting, I get that, but it's a shame that the fan-translators already picked the perfect names for most of these characters. Like Ray LOOKS like a Ray. I understand there's undoubtedly a lot of "It's different so it sucks" going on, but the bouba/kiki effect proves that people really can look like their name and man did a lot of them look like their names.
Guys, think not of what _was;_ rather, think of what _can be!_ Useless whiner Useless wiener Useless WAHner The jokes practically write themselves, guys!
Ngl I was expecting Fender's first name to be Dave, but Eddie is fine too. I think the name as a whole has a nice ring to it and the pun is a bit better than Shields, although I'm still gonna miss Atticus Stalwart. Verity Gavelle is such a good name, and I'm glad she gets one that sounds really regal. I might even prefer it over Angela von Jure. Sorry, but Justine Courtney always sounded too normal to me. Eustace Winner is bad, but it's pretty in-character for him and I can definitely say it's gonna be memorable, even if I prefer Furst. Plus I can have fun picturing him go "Stupid Edgeworth! You make me look bad!"
@@simone5760 we gotta accept that sometimes the name puns are too on the nose, especialy with the later entries in the franchise, its okay to dislike them, to each their own :b
I quite like the new names! Of course the original fan-translation names continue to hold a special place in my heart, but these all seem to fit quite nicely too :) I adore all the puns you made in this video by the way
What bothers me about Eustace Winner is that it's literally just the word "winner". They couldn't have at least spelled it "Wynner" or something? It's not even a pun or subversion, it's just the fucking word. I really feel like they could have been much more clever with it, the full name doesn't flow at all, it just looks and sounds bad in practice
I also saw that Horace Knightley is just Horse Knight. Subtle. Did Capcom fucking hire the DIC/4Kids group for localization? For fucks sake. I can't wait to meet Eddie Fender's brother, Sechs O. Fender.
@@LizzieourWorld Considering the localization names we do know I wouldn't be surprised if they made his name Horse or did some RWBY shit and made it 'Hors' or 'Horz'
@@Ravensgale Don't act like it's any different than "Horace Knightley". They're literally on the same level. It's either "Horse Knight" Or "Chess Knight"
This is perfect!! Love that you used the character themes to great effect. Wasn't expecting Blaise to show up but it was a great end to an absolutely hilarious video.
Are we sure tis not meant to be "justice winner" instead of "useless winner" That's seems closer and like it would make more sense. Honestly Eustice fits him well BECAUSE it sounds lame, But Sebastian also fit because it sounds fancy.
"Eustace" sounds fancy too, doesn't it? Feels very preppy to me. I agree with Manticora that "Eustace" = "useless" makes sense because Blaise gave him an inferiority complex. I still prefer "Sebastian Debeste" as a pun, though--whoever thought of "Sebastian" = "the best of" deserves a medal
I know everyone is discussing the name changes, but honestly, I'm wondering what the voice bits are going to sound like? Surely we won't get *_Overruled!_* this time as well, right?
I saw people on reddit saying it could be 'Order' instead which sounds really fitting tbh. Besides Sebastian and Blaise, I won't miss the old voices much honestly
I can imagine it now: Eustace - “At the prosecutor’s office, everyone calls me the best!” Edgeworth thinking to himself - “The best? What kind of fans would call him that?” A joke like that would be nice
Thank you! It's been a while since I played investigations 2 so I tried my debeste. I'm also worried about the voices but I have hope the casting will be good either way :D
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The loss of Sebastion Debeste is what we sacrificed for getting this game officially released outside japan
Real
He went from "the best" to just "a defender", the localisation isn't even trying to make him look impressive in-universe.
EDIT: Ok, I was under the impression that Sebastian Debeste actually got localised to Eddie Fender. My bad. Still, poor Eddie Fender.
@ManticoraYee of course blaise broke the 4th wall
@@ManticoraYee what the whys pheonix here
@@jjohnson2445 why not
I'm glad that all AA fans can get together and agree that Sebastian got the short end of his already short stick
Considering his character and story….It almost makes sense.
Tbh I think Ray's new name is worse
Y'all remember when Apollo Justice was known as Justin Case before AA4 came to the west and people got all pissy over the name change? This is literally history repeating itself.
I personally prefer the main chars name to be normal/slight pun, as I think it would get annoying pretty quickly otherwise. Reserve the pun names to the fun characters, I say
Apollo Justice was actually a _good_ name. Who the heck would want to be called "Eustace Winner"?
Justin case sounds so silly though I gotta stick with apollo
@@SteveCrafts2k you'd be surprised how up in arms people were when Apollo Justice was officially localized. Fans of Apollo's unofficial name came up with any and all excuses to try and say his new name sucks and prop up the old one. From the top of my head, simply the fact that his name is Justice and that he is a lawyer made detractors real pissy, like "Really, Justice? No one would take that seriously. I'm just gonna keep calling him *Justin Case* when the game comes out."
It's the same situation with Eustace now. By the time the investigations collection comes out, I guarantee you that most of those detractors will flip sides
@@SteveCrafts2khe didn’t choose the name, Blaise did. And Blaise is trying to get into the hall of fame for awful anime dads.
Eddie Fender and "uncle Edd" is new, but i could get used to it.
Verity Gavelle will probably adjust fine for me.
Tabitha Lloyd, idk i didn't care for Nicole enough to have it be a surprise.
But i will NEVER, you hear me? *NEVER,* get used to Sebastian's localization name
Your being a "whinner" now
Wait nooooo, I was prepared for the name changes but I only just realized the voices will be different! I loved Sebastian’s voice so much
for real asdnmahsg😭😭
I don't know if it really was, but I think it was just Kristoph's "Objection!", but... higher pitched.
some of the replacements are kinda eh but "Verity Gavelle" is wayyyy more fitting than Justine Courtney
I'm pretty sure that "Eustace" is supposed to sound like "Justice." But the idea that his dad named him "useless" IS funnier.
"Useless whiner" is even funnier
Ngl seeing them reintroducing themselves in-character with their new names is helping me get used to them 😅
Ajsbajdbs
I actually kind of like the headcanon that the characters themselves picked their new names. Justine's pick was something really elegant and fitting, Shields's pick is kind of goofy but catchy, and Sebastian's pick is total crap.
Jokes aside, I don't mind the new names that much, even Eustace Winner has a sort of "so bad it's good" charm that fits the character.
I agree to be honest. Now that you mention it, it just fits their characters way too much in hindsight. These are names I'd believe these characters would choose.
I agree as well :b
For those complaining about pun names being to obvious, let's be real here and admit Ace Attorney has always done this. It's equal parts stupid and hilarious. As all puns should be.
Y'know, it didn't take me too long to get used to the new names... but you just brought up the fact that their voices are also going to be different and THAT is something I am not excited for. 😭
ASJDHAS 😭 I'm sure the official ones will have their charm too though
THIS IS HOW I FIND OUT?!?? 😭
JAHDJASD NO WAYY YOU TOO?? 😭😭
- sigh - I too am now part of this club.
blaise will probably become bourne because "born winner" and burn
Ooh that's a good one :o
Eddie Fender its a fine name for me. The only thing that will hurt is not reading "may give a hug to uncle Ray?" Ill miss that
KeepTheOldNames
"I'm Fender. Used to be Shields, but had to change it when we came into the country."
Idk why the first thing I thought of when I read Country was Extraterritorial Rights 😭😭😭
Why be you when you can be new?
@@ManticoraYee thats trauma for you
@@sebastiaosousa5730 yea h...
"Eustace Winner" does sound like a name Sebastian Debeste would come up with.
the winnerrrrrrr
I'm rather sure that someone'll write a mod in due time that changes the names back
@@darkbum1510 For sure, though I don't know what they'll do with the puns, I guess also change those dialogues to the ones from the fan translation (?
@@ManticoraYee Probably. Because the Sebastian puns in the fan translation are just Debeste!
I can stomach the others, but it will be hard to top localizations like Blaise and Simon Keys. The fan translation was too good.
Simeon Saint honestly is about as perfect as
"Eustace" will always be Sebastian to me 😞
same
Fun fact, Eddie’s Japanese name uses the same first kanji as Mitsurugi (Edgeworth), which is why his name begins with Ed in English.
Ooh, didn't know that :o
Ok, that makes me like the name Eddie a lot more now
Okay but that's slightly stupid because it's Eddie's Japanese SURNAME that shares the first kanji with Edgeworth, not his forename.
Even as someone not familiar with these characters, these new names are definitely not better
Strictly speaking it was illegal to use the fan names (fanworks, even if they're not fair use still have the original aspects belonging to the creators), but I am going to miss them. I still wish they had come to an agreement to use the names, just like how the kotor2 restored content mod is worked into new ports of the game. But Japan doesn't have fair use and cross country copyright for unauthorized translations is extremely complicated.
Honestly, I'm absolutely *certain* that if Capcom asked the localizers of Prosecutor's Path, they'd gladly hand over the rights...
It’s going to take a lot to get used to all the changes. Not only in people’s names, but also brand names (goodbye zZz, hello 3Zs) and dialogue. It just shows how much of a good job the fan translation team did.
“what’s he investigating? Men??” True!
So true!
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@@Lou-yf1jo nuh uh
Coming in here post-release (and currently being at case 2-3), I'll admit the Eustace Winner reveal set my expectations to "oh no are *all* the best names taken?" It's not even a bad name, and I hadn't guessed the explanation that seems to be wiki canon at this point:
"comes from "εὐστᾰθής" (eustathis), which means "steadfast" and could be irony" (with a sidenote of "also sounds like useless").
It's just... Sebastian Debeste is such a fucking perfect name that it's the one I'd have expected an official localization to go with if it hadn't been taken by a translation they legally can't acknowledge. But I've been happy to find out so far that the fear was unfounded. Felt relief immediately with Tabby Lloyd, and from there I have to say most of the characters I've run into so far have either had on par or stronger gags.
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Delicia calling him "Winniepooh" makes it all worth it
@@Aceedius The name as grown on me, though I still prefer Sebastian :b
I also like how the localization team has referenced the Fan translation name, like in the final "animation" I guess you can call it, or whatever(? prior to the release where Eustace appears and calls himself *the best*. Or an actual dialogue in-game where someone calls his "some deWinner kid" or something like that
@@ManticoraYee Haha yeah, I thought the same thing when I saw that line in the game. They definitely know about the fan patch, I could be misremembering but I think Janet Hsu even complimented it publicly on a personal account back when no one expected there to ever be an official localization. But of course, Capcom can't _officially_ acknowledge or incorporate parts of it since it's an unauthorized use of their trademarks, and all that nonsense. With that in mind it's cute that they still managed to squeeze in a few "plausibly deniable" winks!
I THOUGHT THESE WERE SATTIRE AND YOU MADE THEM UP UNTIL I SAW THE WIKI...
One of them was seen in the trailer (Eddie Fender) and the others in the official website if I'm not mistaken, yeah they're real :b
@@ManticoraYee THEY'RE NOT THAT BAD BUT SEBASTIAN'S LOCALIZED NAME IS...
@@Fisticutz I know right 😭😭 I'm sure I'll get used to it tho but it'll take some time
Everything about this is so in character, I could have been convinced this was a play by Capcom to introduce the new names
Wbajdbajd thanks
4:24 Who's this good looking guy? If only I were him.
*OH WAIT-*
Honestly my biggest objection with Eustace is the “Winner” part. Eustace is a real name and it mapping onto “useless” makes sense story wise. “Winner” just doesn’t sound like a name and it also sounds incredibly childish. Which fits for who Eustace is but what about his dad?? Doesn’t he need at least a little bit of dignity? We can’t round out the evil old man trio with von Karma, Gant, and /Winner/. Just doesn’t sound as good 😂
Ajsajsas, true
HOW IS THIS HOW I LEARN TGAT INVESTIGATIONS TWO IS NOT ONLY GETTIBG A LOCALIZATION BUT ALSO THAT THEY CHANGED THE NAMES??? WHY AM I ONLH LEARJUHG THIS NOW??? I will miss you, Sebastian Debeste......
@@hejadshawker HOW ARE SO MANY PEOPLE GETTING THE NEWS THROUGH MY VIDEO AJDBAKDA THATS CRAZY
Guess you don't watch Nintendo Directs
Im more worried about the mannerisms not lining up. The fan translation did an excellent job of capturing everyones emotions in text. It would feel weird to see Blaise talk without his usual "y'see"
True. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens :b
I get your worries but there are actually some issues with the character writing in the fan translation that you can notice if you look closely - bunch of things simple as how the localizers write "yare yare" as different terms in English to avoid repetition vs the fan translators always writing it as "good grief". The mannerisms will probably be slightly different which might be tough to get used to, but I think they'll be written a bit better overall. That's what happened with TGAA as well.
I’m kinda bummed Debeste was changed, but I’m honestly just glad we’re even getting an official localization where I don’t have to download anything! My current PC setup can’t handle anything like that.
They got rid of Debeste name 😥
Not sure how to feel about these new names like they aren't bad at all but I'm so used to the names in the fan translation so I might just stick with the old ones.
Me too, it's been such a long time knowing them with those names so it feels very sudden. I'll get used to the new ones tho (except Eustace he'll always be Sebastian for me 😔🙏)
@@ManticoraYee so before the collection of investigate Miles Edward was the names real fan translations because when I watched some blind reaction videos they had the names before the new ones
@@Blue_diamond156 this is the first time Investigations 2 gets localized outside of Japan officially. Before that, the game was translated by a team of fans wich is where the "old" names come from
@@ManticoraYee oh ok that makes sense thanks
This is extremely well written. "May you enlighten us in the way we should refer to you now?" is SUCH an Edgeworth line.
(Ok I just watched the entirety of it and burst into laughter, the ending is incredible xD)
omg thankk youu ahg gahwgdag h😭😭 i kinda just did what felt right to be honest but im glad you liked it
He’ll be studying men alright
Real
i'm still gonna call sebastian sebby :D
YIPPIEEEE
im gonna eustace my winner so hard rn
I’m so sad they changed Debeste. I was going to get the game just to say “Debeste one for the job is here” every time he showed up… now it doesn’t work
"Winner one for the job is here" works fine, calm down and stop overeacting.
@@neo-didact9285 I don’t feel replacing Debeste for winner in that context works, maybe more so a “Well, he’s a real Winner for this situation.” Would. I can easily change the joke, yes, but Sebastian Debeste is a bad pun and I love it. It’s just my opinion, it’s bad but good. He gets a gold star for a winner of a name, I just feel like it’s the short end of the stick in names
They didn't "change" Debeste, it's a fan translation they're not legally allowed to use. "Winner", while obviously a downgrade, was the best they could do without looking like they're ripping off Debeste.
@@gnomeyt9339 fan works have absolutely no legal protection other than fair use laws. they 100% could legally use the names if they chose. the localisation team just knows they can be made obsolete if fans do all the work for them and have to give some arbitrary justification for their existence.
@@gnomeyt9339 as long as they didn't literally copy paste the entire fan translation script, there's absolutely nothing the fan translation team could do to stop them.
The game better have a "Eustace Loser" joke somewhere if they are going to make his last name 'Winner.'
Eustace Weiner
Eustace Winner: Stupid Dad. You made me look bad. 🤚👺🖐️
Genuinely Sebastian Debeste is such a better name than Eustace Winner
Yes
I agree, but I'm hoping Eustace will grow on me soon enough 🫡
@@ManticoraYee It probably will.
It’ll never grow on me
@@ManticoraYee it's a useless weiner. It's not gonna grow😂
Honestly it would makes more sense for blaise to name his son ,,useless" more then ,,the best"
I just don't understand what is the point of this whole war of "which is better". Why cannot we just use both names interchangeably? Fire Emblem and Danganronpa communities have been doing it for years (Fire Emblem is pretty much 50/50 official and fan). And it's not like it creates confusion since pretty much everyone knows the fan-translation names after they've been around for 10 years. Even if you prefer name Eustache, you know exaclty who I am talking about when I mention Sebastian.
I wasn’t aware Danganronpa had different names in Japan. I’m surprised actually, given they all have Japanese names in the localization anyway.
Edit: Unless Danganronpa had a fan-translation that I’m unaware of…
Danganronpa doesn't have different names, unless you mean romanisation. They're still in Japanese.
@@SeiyaTempest In Japanese/older translations of danganronpa, the characters are called their last names (IE Naegi-kun, Hagakure, Ishimaru,or Komaeda)
In the steam port, they changed it to use their first names, and in some cases shorter nicknames (Makoto, Hiro, Taka, and Nagito)
Its not fully the same thing as what happened with Ace Attorney but you can tell what 'generation' a danganronpa fan is from by what they call the characters and find natural to read in fan fics
@@jl8417 True, Danganronpa's localisation is somewhat Westernised in terms of naming conventions and even pop culture references. They never use honorifics (-san, -chan, -kun, etc.) if I recall correctly.
Still, their names aren't actually changed like Ace Attorney, where Ryuichi (Phoenix) and Ryuunosuke share the same surname in Japanese, and their relation becomes lost in translation.
So if Sebastian is now Eustace Winner, would that make Blaise Brad Winner, since he's his dad?
At least "Eddie" can be short for "Edward-" which, like the name Raymond, has guarding, defensive connotations.
So his true full name is Edward Fender? Interesting.
Oh, didn't know that, cool!
Also makes him an honorary member of the Eddieworth family
@@TangoStar Certainly, Edgeworth and Edward have similar pronunciations.
Edward "Eddie" Fender.
I fell in love with the fan names since I first saw them. It’s gonna be weird calling Uncle Ray “Uncle Ed!”
...yeaaahhh, Im not taking a winner for *Eustace...*
Eustace Winner is a fine pun. He is a "useless whiner" early on after all.
im so happy im just recently getting into ace attorney so i dont have to be upset over name changes 😝😝
Qhdjadb good for you 😭(hope you're enjoying the series!)
the name changes are fine
im only really upset over the recast voices
I'm betting Blaise will be something along "Blast Winner"
My money on Bourne Winner.
Bernie Winner
@@yosumarainesuableThis actually sounds badass I like it.
You're Winner
@@yosumarainesuable
That or something that sounds like Fiery mixed with Furious.
Oh please Blaise, if you want to put your son down, do it correctly.
Eustace Winner is a play on 'useless whiner', because both Sebastian and Blaise tend to cry a lot.
Eustace is also pronounced similarly to Justice, bringing us back to Apollo's name.
So it brings back the duality in the meaning of his official japanese name. And its similarity to the name of one of the main character of the mainline serie.
(Yumihiko Ichiyanagi, Ichiyanagi being the first name. The kanji for 'yanagi' and also be pronounced 'ryuu', and Sebastian use Ichiryuu as a surname. Meanwhile, Phoenix Japanese name is Ryuuichi.)
I thought it was 'Useless Weiner'😂
Adding to all you said, "Eustace" (useless) -> "Eust" (used; by you-know-who) -> "''Ace", lo and behold, this is his entire character arc.
Can't wait to confront Mann Hoomastermiinesdegaem!
Me neither
These new names make me die inside 💀
Like, some are too obvious, some just sound bad, I think Capcom is 13 years too late... Like, I'm sorry but some of these just don't fit. They sound so awkward 😭
Better than the first name I would’ve given Ray.
“Secksa Fender”
Makes me think of the JelloApocalypse gameplay.
😭😭
Saxon Fender
well now that it’s Blaise who told me to buy the games i don’t think i will-
NOOOO SJADGASHDFSHGD
that boy is suuuuuch a eustace, though. we cannot lie any more.
Eustace Sebastian the third
Him being named Eustace tells you immediately his dad hates him. Perfect
Eustace is fine.
Winner aint
@suntzu3403 Victor would've been such a better last name if they can’t use Debeste. Won't deny Sebastian Debeste is better but Eustace Victor would've been a decent replacement if they can't use that.
I have no doubt that Blaise is going to shift from calling him Eustace to calling him Useless once the parental abuse kicks in.
Oh absolutely
EDDIE FENDER???
CHRIS PRATT???
@@ManticoraYee CHRISS PRATT???
PETEY PIRANHA?????
FRANK SINATRA??
SANS UNDERTALE???
The Eustace part is "debeste"😂😂😂 Love Kay teasing with him
Eustace Debeste would've been the best compromise. Makes him Useless and The Best without outright stating the word "Winner"
It makes sense. He’s useless, but becomes a winner by the end of the game.
This was done so well, love how you kept them in-character while also adding your own funny bits. That ending was hilarious. I wouldn’t mind you making more AA related content, this was genuinely really well edited.
Omg thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it, and yes I'll probably be making more AA stuff since the announcement of the Investigations collection hyped me up so much :b
I kinda wish there was a subplot where they used these names as fake, only to reveal the fan translation names later on it would have been hilarious.
"Ray Shields" always made me think of Revenge of the Sith and sci-fi tech, which was funny to me but also felt even sillier than "A defender." Plus, he looks like an Eddie. I dig it.
Idk what's up with Verity Gavelle, but it sounds pretty, so good enough.
Debeste boy got so screwed.
Especially if you think about him as a boi in the flashback. Eddie Fender eating paper sounds better.
But there's more to it than that! He also shares his first name with Raymond Burr, the man who played Perry Mason! It ties into how Gregory Edgeworth was named after Gregory Peck, who played Atticus Finch, as both are famous fictional defense attorneys.
I’ve never groaned so much at a pun in my life… and I thought MY puns were bad 😂
Its inline with ace attorney, considering one of the characters is called redd white
They can't acknowledge the fan translation because it requires an emulator which they don't want to be promoting, I get that, but it's a shame that the fan-translators already picked the perfect names for most of these characters. Like Ray LOOKS like a Ray. I understand there's undoubtedly a lot of "It's different so it sucks" going on, but the bouba/kiki effect proves that people really can look like their name and man did a lot of them look like their names.
I'm pretty sure they've referenced a fan-translation before though.
(At least, I've seen a comment or 2 talking about it recently.)
Yeah. Those fan-translation names had so much thought put into them, like the name Shields to contrast with Edgeworth (sword)
They also can't legally use the names from the fan translation as that could be ground for stealing someone else's ideas without permission
So true. Should have licensed the names. Sadge
Yeah, the localizer for the origimal trilogy stated that Dahlia was a nod to the fan-translation of T&T@@King_Luigi
I hope Blaise turns into Casey Winner, as in “case winner”
I imagine people will be begging the modding community to turn those names back to the fan translation. Can't say I'd blame them
Yeah but at the end of the day it's fan translated not officially translated so the people complaining they must accept it.
I can guarantee that will be one of the first things modded
Y’all who’s excited for this new -Moozilla- Cowju movie???
OMG THATS RIGHT AKDJAJDJ 😭😭
thing is:
If you pronounce Sebastian Debest correctly it will sound like "The best in the best" which is extremly funny
Zebestiªn?
Im curious what some of the other name puns are gonna be. Like nothing can top Jay Elbird, or Simon Keyes
I'm gonna miss Katherine Hall so much
Guys, think not of what _was;_ rather, think of what _can be!_
Useless whiner
Useless wiener
Useless WAHner
The jokes practically write themselves, guys!
What's he investigatin? Men??
This made me choke
Hum, actually, it's "Gavèlle", not "Gavélle" ☝️🤓
True. I realized that too late unfortunately 😔
Ngl I was expecting Fender's first name to be Dave, but Eddie is fine too. I think the name as a whole has a nice ring to it and the pun is a bit better than Shields, although I'm still gonna miss Atticus Stalwart.
Verity Gavelle is such a good name, and I'm glad she gets one that sounds really regal. I might even prefer it over Angela von Jure. Sorry, but Justine Courtney always sounded too normal to me.
Eustace Winner is bad, but it's pretty in-character for him and I can definitely say it's gonna be memorable, even if I prefer Furst. Plus I can have fun picturing him go "Stupid Edgeworth! You make me look bad!"
why did I imagine that his name would be Dick? As in Dick Fender.
@@random-productions1837I mean Gumshoe is already Dick.
i was expecting it to be "Cody" as in "co-defender" given how he worked alongside Gregory.
Eustace Winner -> Useless Whiner
Everyone defending the new names, but they literally called one of the main characters just "A defender"
i meannnnn..... Deidd Mann exists
@@ManticoraYee Yeah, but that's a terrible name too. Also, this one is a main character
@@simone5760 we gotta accept that sometimes the name puns are too on the nose, especialy with the later entries in the franchise, its okay to dislike them, to each their own :b
@@ManticoraYee Yeah, to me they look more fannade then the actual fanmade names
Mate we literally have Wright, Justice or Naruhodo as names. With Naruhodo being the biggest meme imaginable.
eddie fender isnt terrible, verity gavelle is honestly a pretty good name, eustace is a fine name but winner?? they could have done so much better
Oh, I know: Burne or Burnard Winner like in fire.
So comfy to see Kay and Edgey roast Debeste's new name
I quite like the new names! Of course the original fan-translation names continue to hold a special place in my heart, but these all seem to fit quite nicely too :) I adore all the puns you made in this video by the way
What bothers me about Eustace Winner is that it's literally just the word "winner". They couldn't have at least spelled it "Wynner" or something? It's not even a pun or subversion, it's just the fucking word. I really feel like they could have been much more clever with it, the full name doesn't flow at all, it just looks and sounds bad in practice
Pretty sure it’s meant to be a play on Useless Winner
At least he's not "Winner" Sinclair.
I also saw that Horace Knightley is just Horse Knight. Subtle. Did Capcom fucking hire the DIC/4Kids group for localization? For fucks sake. I can't wait to meet Eddie Fender's brother, Sechs O. Fender.
We don’t know what Horace’s first name is yet. We just know the last name is Knight (like how Ethan’s is Rook and Nicole’s is Lloyd)
@@LizzieourWorld Considering the localization names we do know I wouldn't be surprised if they made his name Horse or did some RWBY shit and made it 'Hors' or 'Horz'
Isnt his name "Chester Knight"?
@@Nebularban That's somehow even worse.🤣
@@Ravensgale Don't act like it's any different than "Horace Knightley". They're literally on the same level. It's either "Horse Knight" Or "Chess Knight"
I think Verity fits the character better than Justine Courtney
This is perfect!! Love that you used the character themes to great effect. Wasn't expecting Blaise to show up but it was a great end to an absolutely hilarious video.
Thank you! :D I'm glad you found it enjoyable :)
I love how everyones treating these name changes like they switched genders. Absolutely hilarious
It's the Balrog argument all over again. People are going to be arguing over which is the better translation; are you on team "Huzzah!" or "Oh yeah!?"
Oh yeah.
This just proves that Ace Attorney fans are afraid of change, myself included. XD
Honestly my only problem is to me "Eddie Fender" sounds like "offender" rather than "a defender" but that is clearly a me problem LMAO
@@bekahmccue AJDBAJS
He certainly acts like an offender with all the hugs he wants to give
@@Trtevoorryu At least he asks...??? He could've been...worse XD
“”Blaise”” suddenly appearing was peak
ABSJASB
Are we sure tis not meant to be "justice winner" instead of "useless winner" That's seems closer and like it would make more sense.
Honestly Eustice fits him well BECAUSE it sounds lame,
But Sebastian also fit because it sounds fancy.
I mean, I could be both. The Useless one seems like something Blaise would nickname him
"Eustace" sounds fancy too, doesn't it? Feels very preppy to me.
I agree with Manticora that "Eustace" = "useless" makes sense because Blaise gave him an inferiority complex. I still prefer "Sebastian Debeste" as a pun, though--whoever thought of "Sebastian" = "the best of" deserves a medal
This was so fun to watch and then the ending made it perfect
AJDBAJD glad you enjoyed it!
Debést, nooooooo come back, your name was coolerrrr ;3;
He'll be debest in our hearts 🙏
I know everyone is discussing the name changes, but honestly, I'm wondering what the voice bits are going to sound like? Surely we won't get *_Overruled!_* this time as well, right?
I saw people on reddit saying it could be 'Order' instead which sounds really fitting tbh.
Besides Sebastian and Blaise, I won't miss the old voices much honestly
@pgreta1752 To be fair, Knightley had a pretty great *_Objection!_* to me, at least.
@@MalikM-VGM-Rand Hmm, yeah Knightley wasn't too bad either just the quality.
The scariest thing was that the fan actors would be replaced too. Raymond shields objection is my favorite in the series man….
I'm gonna miss Blaise's "creepy old pervert" objection😭
All the fan ones were some of my favorites
I know it’s unlikely but I kinda hope the localization team sneaks a nod or two into the game about the fan translation’s names.
that'd be awesome
I can imagine it now:
Eustace - “At the prosecutor’s office, everyone calls me the best!”
Edgeworth thinking to himself - “The best? What kind of fans would call him that?”
A joke like that would be nice
These seems like actual dialogs from the game. Good job. I'm also highly anxious about the new voices of the characters
Thank you! It's been a while since I played investigations 2 so I tried my debeste. I'm also worried about the voices but I have hope the casting will be good either way :D
DeBeste really was a Winner.
This truly was a Investigations 2 Prosecutor's Gambit am i right guys
I gotta be honest, Localizing team dropped the ball a bit this time...