If you come up with a simple mechanism to fix the stator to different bikes and the neodymium magnet array to different wheels you'll have an extremely competetive quality product. If the magnets were cheaper it would conquer the e-bike market. I had the same idea too. Good to see that someone else had the same.
Think eco friendly off road dirt bikes they've been selling the past several years...Up to 8 hours of off road riding on trails,small jumps even,mostly for exploring,or sight seeing,incredible torque...
A system with permanent magnets like that could also take advantage of regenerative braking storing the energy normally wasted as heat with friction braking down big hills. This bike would also benefit from a super capacitor bank for regenerative brake energy storage with LiPo main batteries. The caps can take massive charge energy fast were the LiPos alone can't. Make a shed for it with 4 100watt solar panels for the roof and you have free transportation.
Correct me if I am mistaken , but the power should be very good because the motion is applied the the outer edge of the wheel , where the leverage is much lower , right ?
@TheKaos90 I had the same thought, though I caution it with the consideration that at the outer edge of the wheel, the armature is "travelling" a greater distance along the wheel, meaning more pulses at lower power. Closer to the stator would mean fewer pulses at greater power. Correct me if I'm wrong as well.
Good work you guys! The only moving part is the wheel and the acceleration is smooth! I'm curious if you have considered maybe using supercapacitors to help the initial push (when on the ground under load)?
@stiffyschlong That's fighting talk :) That disc is ALL unsprung weight, and magnetic drives usually use iron to concentrate the field So, how much does your drive weigh, and what torque does it have? What power can it deliver?
if they scaled down this tech and made a smaller, but more efficient power supply, and combined it with today's touch-sensor tech, it would be possible to make A-T's. the only problem would be, how long would the battery life last, and how much power would be able to be worked out of two-wheeled skates? pressure-sensors that control speed is possible today as it is used in prosthetic limbs. A-T's are technically possible if you have a budget close to $2.5m and a big enough design team.
Maybe you can prolong the battery power by doing a braking mechanism that can convert the energy into power, charging the batteries while braking returns some of the power consumed when accelerating.. just an idea
now how much weight can you put on bike and get the torque to get rolling and to what speed for cruising. how long can it run before batts. get down to 50% ???
@wolfekeeper It's probably cheaper (and lighter) to use a small diameter brushless motor and gear it up I can't see what's wrong with a toothed belt drive - at least for rear wheels That way the motor doesn't become unsprung weight either
I like it! had a similar idea for a electric assist kit for a bicycle. Was considering doing a dual setup... one for each side of the wheel. for mechanical symetry.
@stiffyschlong Toothed belts are more efficient than small gearboxes Subjecting motors and gearboxes to bump accelerations will test all the bearings involved Keep it slack and well-ventilated
@beachcomber2008 Reduction of efficiency. Unsprung weight should be negligible and IMO all these negative concerns about it is unfounded i.e. bullshit.
with only those 3 electro magnets and its slow speed up it seems pathetically weak. like a 20w motor or something. you can already buy 1000w brushless hub motors with like 36 electro magnets around the whole centre. dragging the hub around it very well. i use a 750w one on my bike
I'll take mine with wheelnut locks, and beef those up a bit, I could sheer those off with an axe. Hate to lose my motor when my back wheel gets ripped off!
You can see where you've got the rare earth magnets stuffed in that heavy disc, well if it's a damned BICYCLE, and not a proper MOTORBIKE - then you might as well follow bicycle doctrine and put the magnets in the RIM it won't help with weight to be sure, but the torque will be more direct, not have to leverage through the increased diameter. And the "disc caliper" type coil array could work more like a rim brake. It would weigh less overall, if only a bit more in the rim: offset w carbon rim???
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synchro motors have shit torque, you can do the same thing more efficiently and with more power with a pulse width modulation controller on a regular motor.
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If you come up with a simple mechanism to fix the stator to different bikes and the neodymium magnet array to different wheels you'll have an extremely competetive quality product. If the magnets were cheaper it would conquer the e-bike market. I had the same idea too. Good to see that someone else had the same.
Those are the one's who shaped the future of our days.
This is the greatest motor I've ever seen!
Bingo
This is awesome! -Being right out of a small shop like that. I'd love to see the continued development of this...
Think eco friendly off road dirt bikes they've been selling the past several years...Up to 8 hours of off road riding on trails,small jumps even,mostly for exploring,or sight seeing,incredible torque...
A system with permanent magnets like that could also take advantage of regenerative braking storing the energy normally wasted as heat with friction braking down big hills. This bike would also benefit from a super capacitor bank for regenerative brake energy storage with LiPo main batteries. The caps can take massive charge energy fast were the LiPos alone can't. Make a shed for it with 4 100watt solar panels for the roof and you have free transportation.
Correct me if I am mistaken , but the power should be very good because the motion is applied the the outer edge of the wheel , where the leverage is much lower , right ?
This idea is perfect for picking up all little metall particles on the roads... As in, you better make sure your driven wheel gets really good sealed
@TheKaos90
the torque would be higher. Actually proportional to the radius of the stator.
@TheKaos90
I had the same thought, though I caution it with the consideration that at the outer edge of the wheel, the armature is "travelling" a greater distance along the wheel, meaning more pulses at lower power. Closer to the stator would mean fewer pulses at greater power. Correct me if I'm wrong as well.
.3 g acceleration
60 kph top speed
95% effiiciency
Is that runs only on 3 separate stator coils? Could you give us a clue?
Good work you guys! The only moving part is the wheel and the acceleration is smooth! I'm curious if you have considered maybe using supercapacitors to help the initial push (when on the ground under load)?
Good work. Can you please share the theoretical work?
@stiffyschlong That's fighting talk :) That disc is ALL unsprung weight, and magnetic drives usually use iron to concentrate the field
So, how much does your drive weigh, and what torque does it have? What power can it deliver?
Nice..!!!
When will the bike be done?
When will you post nieuw video's?
I want more...!
What're batteries for? Do they just make the starting torque or they have been used all the way ? ...till their complete drain?
What was the motor controller? Brand,type, etc...?
SynkromotIve AC www.diyelectriccar.com/threads/synkromotive-controller.203860/
how much does this cost?
Thats a strong one without control
That's a pretty cool hub mounted synchronous linear motor in anyone's money.
Looks a bit expensive on the neodymium though.
if they scaled down this tech and made a smaller, but more efficient power supply, and combined it with today's touch-sensor tech, it would be possible to make A-T's. the only problem would be, how long would the battery life last, and how much power would be able to be worked out of two-wheeled skates? pressure-sensors that control speed is possible today as it is used in prosthetic limbs. A-T's are technically possible if you have a budget close to $2.5m and a big enough design team.
Maybe you can prolong the battery power by doing a braking mechanism that can convert the energy into power, charging the batteries while braking returns some of the power consumed when accelerating.. just an idea
now how much weight can you put on bike and get the torque to get rolling and to what speed for cruising. how long can it run before batts. get down to 50% ???
@BingoSunNoon to Someone asking via email, this was first built in 1999
@wolfekeeper It's probably cheaper (and lighter) to use a small diameter brushless motor and gear it up
I can't see what's wrong with a toothed belt drive - at least for rear wheels
That way the motor doesn't become unsprung weight either
I like it! had a similar idea for a electric assist kit for a bicycle. Was considering doing a dual setup... one for each side of the wheel. for mechanical symetry.
@stiffyschlong Toothed belts are more efficient than small gearboxes
Subjecting motors and gearboxes to bump accelerations will test all the bearings involved
Keep it slack and well-ventilated
how is this feasible?
what happens when you run over a pot hole? or puddle?
Great stuff - Halbarck array next?
@beachcomber2008 Reduction of efficiency. Unsprung weight should be negligible and IMO all these negative concerns about it is unfounded i.e. bullshit.
Power ?
Torque?
Voltage?
Nice video
torque?
how about rainy dais?
That's pretty sweet! Sounds like you have a bit of a balancing problem though. Did you make your own motor?
with only those 3 electro magnets and its slow speed up it seems pathetically weak. like a 20w motor or something. you can already buy 1000w brushless hub motors with like 36 electro magnets around the whole centre. dragging the hub around it very well. i use a 750w one on my bike
I'll take mine with wheelnut locks, and beef those up a bit, I could sheer those off with an axe. Hate to lose my motor when my back wheel gets ripped off!
i see only 3 coild ? intresting
You could make hubless motor with this
что-то типа Шкондина соорудили, я так понял?
......... good look with a Pinarello or Colnago frame
haha I was thinking the same. was just about to write it. then i saw that you already made the comment :)
looks cool but only having coils on a couple of the magnets seems like a waste of strength in the design.
great job!
You can see where you've got the rare earth magnets stuffed in that heavy disc, well if it's a damned BICYCLE, and not a proper MOTORBIKE - then you might as well follow bicycle doctrine and put the magnets in the RIM it won't help with weight to be sure, but the torque will be more direct, not have to leverage through the increased diameter. And the "disc caliper" type coil array could work more like a rim brake. It would weigh less overall, if only a bit more in the rim: offset w carbon rim???
Judging by the size of the tiny coils, I'd say it can barely be a fan motor.
Very cool, keep up the good work...
@beachcomber2008 Hmmm you're right.
Flux hub motors are not new . All magnet motors are flux motors one way or the other .
Till today after 11years there seems no more development & selling figure of axial motors , vehicle etc....
My friend you are very, very wrong
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good technique !
ugh... what? there are electro magnets pulling and pushing the permanent magnets around...
Электромагниты слабенькие стоят. Наверно цель у разработчиков произвести экономную модель , в плане энергозатрат.
@Grousuba google ?
These guys were all buried in the same hole for saying "free energy" once during this video.
i only clicked cause it looked like capt americas shield in the thumbnail
@jshewmaker3 Big Oil bought the thing and paid off the inventor. True story.
@Odziz cuz this is more complicated ;)
I'm sure this doesn't have much torque.
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Explain what this is. What power goes in. What power you obtain out.
I just saw: another electric-drive motor. So what?
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Hold up this video is 11 years old WTF🤪
looks cool, but is total useless design.
Regenerative braking for e-bikes sounds awesome, actually.
now make A-T's
time
synchro motors have shit torque, you can do the same thing more efficiently and with more power with a pulse width modulation controller on a regular motor.
linerror Im not sure by what you mean by regular motor, are you talking about a brushed or brushless motor?
So what's so special about this?
Looks fragile to me.
cm'on people. you got in all this trouble to make a video and post it on youtube. at the very least tell us the torque or something
hm...
looked pathetically weak... like 20w. next to no torque. probably 36V
this shit cost to mutch money for me
is not magnatic :S !
Now put a loud muffler on it the these republican Hardly Dividson motorcycle riders would buy it .
Bullshit. Know why? Energy source and consuming of the device was not described. So video shows nothing. Just another "movie".