I don’t personally pay attention to watch tiers personally. Three reasons. 1) They are subjective. 2) True enthusiasts taste change over time. 3) Discretionary income for enthusiasts widely varies.
They are shallow but can sometimes be fun. Really the meta in most tier lists is taste. That's the nature of being an influencer, which is what most watch youtube channels are and why most people watch them. The audience wants to know what cool people think is cool. And since the types who buy high end watches are never going to use them as tools, developing a sound criteria isn't considered.
“All Watch Tier lists are absolute shit!” 😂 What an introduction Pete. I agree with some of the other comments here that Tier Lists are basically very lazy content which is aimed at being quick and easy to absorb chewing gum type ‘entertainment’ for Watch enthusiasts. I loved your breakdown of how many variants there were of just one size of Rolex Datejust. Fascinating to hear how many there were. That certainly highlights the groaning that the Rolex Fanboys have about their arch enemy Omega’s catalogue and how it contradicts their claims that Rolex has such a streamlined catalogue. Love your outlook on this topic Pete. Great video and an enjoyable “rant for the day”. Keep up the great work my friend ✊
You’re bang on with this Pete. No matter how hard you try, it’s quite impossible to objectively rank brands. Simply too many brand and product variables, too many disparate markets, too much subjectivity in the opinions of tier-listers. And opinions are like backsides, we all have one. 😂
thanks - played wow for years but realised I was playing it despite the people I met - now single player only. Tend towards RPGs - Baldurs Gate 3 and Cyberpunk are my current faves.
All Tier lists will be subjective and are inherently biased. Especially when it comes to a lot of you tubers who are chasing likes, all impartiality goes out the window.
that last point is important - a lot of these are worse than merely subjective/prejudiced, they are deliberately skewed to match the audiences prejudices and gather love/hate clicks,
I came across a good video about brands lately. Not really a tier-list. It's the "What brands think your watch says about you" from channel "This Watch, That Watch"
He is fantastic. His newest video is a tier list, but he tells you up front that it's his personal opinion according to his tastes. I respect that, as opposed to the "I'm the ultimate judge of quality" videos
@@PeteMcConvillWatchesI woke up this morning, checked my channel (with my first ever tier list video) and saw multiple comments about you sir and your “Why Tier list suck” video. In confidence: I tend to agree with you - this time I did one anyway for the fun of it. I’ll probably do another at some point but I want to nail the groundrules / foundation evaluation principles better next time (or meta as you state) Love your content. Not a lot of overanalysing watch channels out there 👍
thanks mike - for what its worth I didnt mind your take. ps - Ive spent a few days trying to think how my luxury positioning video could blend with your interest/info concepts but gave up. I like both lenses but I dont think they can be combined.
My guess would have been that any watch tier list can, at best, be about conceived status of the watch brand. For if you want a good watch to tell the time, you would buy a supermarket quartz one 😅
@garyboyle695 yes, they are cheap, that is their point. And still they will time at least as welk, if not better, than most exoensive automatic ones. If they are nasty, depends on your personal taste. And in terms of environmental impact I would need to see a full study comoarison between those watches and the mechanical ones. Not sure which ones are worse
hehe... The title caught me and I think Pete does offer an element of truth (in context).. But I do plan to make a "Tier List" video myself but I expect it will be a funny one..
Pretty much entertainment only. Once in awhile the person will make a comment about a watch or an issue that triggers me to think "hadn't thought of that" which affords me the opportunity to consider it. That's about the only value.
I guess this raises an issue for me - is there such a thing as "just entertainment". Brands pay good money to appear in this sort of "entertainment" and they only do that because they know it influences our behanviour - therefore is anything just entertainment?
I really like some Omega watches. I respect Rolex as a brand but they don't have a single model right now for which I would pull the trigger. I don't give a rat's ass for the "Trinity". I think Hamilton is great value, but I personally can afford more (and I don't need to have those many watches).
Finally we agree on something. These lists are about as useless as those "Top 4 Independent Brand Watches" where those four are Patek Phillipe, FP Journe, MB&F and Rolex. Or substitute whatever category of watch you want, for instance "Top 6 Rolex Watches", the point being everyone in this hobby knows these brands, we're not discovering something new so at the end of the day its just a huge waste of time. Its lazy content creation, pure and simple.
These guys making lists are just their opinion and they are somewhat informed on the brands… not experts on every detail, but relatively informed. Everyone has biases, these things are not meant to be a comprehensive audit using qualified criteria to make a decision
Tier lists and top 10s must be the laziest and pointless watch content on UA-cam. As you explain in the video, they use almost no tangible framework for comparison and offer no real insight.
@ I do. It’s all in your mentality. Cmon Pete…how can anyone take Nico seriously…he’s the Chris Farley of the watch community--pure entertainment whether you like him or not
Disagree. The watch tier lists are subjective they're often about what the Brand has done overall, not the thousands of options for one size of watch. Just like this video is subjective against tier lists. The creators even say they're subjective. Watch purchasing I find is almost always about your perception of a brand. You're trying to rationalise an irrational (often luxury) purchase, since when has that ever been a rational purchase? As somebody else has said they're often entertainment and I disagree with quite a few of their findings, I've purchased a watch because I've liked the watch, not because Nico said so, I wouldn't take it too seriously!
no - my criticism is not subjective in the least - I provided facts, logic and evidence. Dont confuse qualitative/quantitative with objective/subjective, different things.
@@PeteMcConvillWatches Watch buying is not qualitative nor is it objective, it is personal choice. You lost your objectivity when you ignored the fact that the creators themselves have said the lists are subjective and ignored the premise that watch buying is personal and is not a qualitative approach. That is in itself subjective.
Generally speaking, I agree. There are exceptions to the rule, though. I enjoyed the "Best & Worst of 2024" tier list by Mike from "This Watch, That Watch", because he actually offers some interesting thoughts as to why he places a brand in a certain tier.
I don’t personally pay attention to watch tiers personally. Three reasons. 1) They are subjective. 2) True enthusiasts taste change over time. 3) Discretionary income for enthusiasts widely varies.
Tier list videos is just a bad idea-like putting 5 pounds of 💩 in a 3 pound bag…….It’ll get messy. Good vid Pete!
Well put.
They are pointless. Get the watch you like and ignore all this tier list rubbish
Well said 😊
Posted your video on watch crunch. Really love your analysis Pete. As always
thanks
Excellent video Pete. Man, I love the thought you put into your content.
80 % of watch content sucks. Long livestreams are the worst. Near identical new-release vids are often repetitive. Quality becomes hard to find.
They are shallow but can sometimes be fun. Really the meta in most tier lists is taste. That's the nature of being an influencer, which is what most watch youtube channels are and why most people watch them. The audience wants to know what cool people think is cool. And since the types who buy high end watches are never going to use them as tools, developing a sound criteria isn't considered.
“All Watch Tier lists are absolute shit!” 😂 What an introduction Pete. I agree with some of the other comments here that Tier Lists are basically very lazy content which is aimed at being quick and easy to absorb chewing gum type ‘entertainment’ for Watch enthusiasts.
I loved your breakdown of how many variants there were of just one size of Rolex Datejust. Fascinating to hear how many there were. That certainly highlights the groaning that the Rolex Fanboys have about their arch enemy Omega’s catalogue and how it contradicts their claims that Rolex has such a streamlined catalogue.
Love your outlook on this topic Pete. Great video and an enjoyable “rant for the day”. Keep up the great work my friend ✊
You’re bang on with this Pete. No matter how hard you try, it’s quite impossible to objectively rank brands. Simply too many brand and product variables, too many disparate markets, too much subjectivity in the opinions of tier-listers. And opinions are like backsides, we all have one. 😂
actually in my experience very few people actually have opinions
Tier lists are just done as a description of the authors favourites
That’s about it
Still the best watch UA-cam channel. What games do you play Pete?
thanks - played wow for years but realised I was playing it despite the people I met - now single player only. Tend towards RPGs - Baldurs Gate 3 and Cyberpunk are my current faves.
Welcome back, Pete!
thanks
Why is sound track not synchronized with the video footage ?
sorry bout that - something went weird int he video track with it speeding up and slowing down - couldnt fix completely
Hoo boy! Pete taking it to the cool kids!
Most watch influencers are just that; clique germinators.
Love your take Pete!
That Wedgetail in the background is one of the best ever. 😊
Where would you rank it in a tier list of the top 10 planes?
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s tier aewc/awac
Brilliant video as per
I completely agree with Peter...however, I do find some of the top tier videos entertaining
Human beings love lists. We're drawing to them like a moth to a flame.
All Tier lists will be subjective and are inherently biased. Especially when it comes to a lot of you tubers who are chasing likes, all impartiality goes out the window.
that last point is important - a lot of these are worse than merely subjective/prejudiced, they are deliberately skewed to match the audiences prejudices and gather love/hate clicks,
Well said.
I came across a good video about brands lately. Not really a tier-list. It's the "What brands think your watch says about you" from channel "This Watch, That Watch"
He is fantastic. His newest video is a tier list, but he tells you up front that it's his personal opinion according to his tastes. I respect that, as opposed to the "I'm the ultimate judge of quality" videos
I really enjoy that channel and I really liked that video.
@@PeteMcConvillWatchesI woke up this morning, checked my channel (with my first ever tier list video) and saw multiple comments about you sir and your “Why Tier list suck” video.
In confidence: I tend to agree with you - this time I did one anyway for the fun of it. I’ll probably do another at some point but I want to nail the groundrules / foundation evaluation principles better next time (or meta as you state)
Love your content. Not a lot of overanalysing watch channels out there 👍
thanks mike - for what its worth I didnt mind your take.
ps - Ive spent a few days trying to think how my luxury positioning video could blend with your interest/info concepts but gave up. I like both lenses but I dont think they can be combined.
Pete I gotta tell you I’m really disappointed. Can you please stop the gaming and concentrate on creating great watch content like this. Thanks
My guess would have been that any watch tier list can, at best, be about conceived status of the watch brand. For if you want a good watch to tell the time, you would buy a supermarket quartz one 😅
No as they are cheap, nasty and not particularly environmentally friendly.
@garyboyle695 yes, they are cheap, that is their point. And still they will time at least as welk, if not better, than most exoensive automatic ones. If they are nasty, depends on your personal taste. And in terms of environmental impact I would need to see a full study comoarison between those watches and the mechanical ones. Not sure which ones are worse
@@garyboyle695Mining for metal ore ain’t exactly ‘Green’ either.
hehe... The title caught me and I think Pete does offer an element of truth (in context).. But I do plan to make a "Tier List" video myself but I expect it will be a funny one..
I think the idea of using a tier list for fun could work - I think the further it gets from reality the better.
@@PeteMcConvillWatches it will be a fun take that is for sure.
Pretty much entertainment only. Once in awhile the person will make a comment about a watch or an issue that triggers me to think "hadn't thought of that" which affords me the opportunity to consider it. That's about the only value.
Good vid pete
You're completely right. The tier lists are just entertainment. No one should take them any more seriously than that.
I guess this raises an issue for me - is there such a thing as "just entertainment". Brands pay good money to appear in this sort of "entertainment" and they only do that because they know it influences our behanviour - therefore is anything just entertainment?
I really like some Omega watches. I respect Rolex as a brand but they don't have a single model right now for which I would pull the trigger. I don't give a rat's ass for the "Trinity". I think Hamilton is great value, but I personally can afford more (and I don't need to have those many watches).
Finally we agree on something. These lists are about as useless as those "Top 4 Independent Brand Watches" where those four are Patek Phillipe, FP Journe, MB&F and Rolex. Or substitute whatever category of watch you want, for instance "Top 6 Rolex Watches", the point being everyone in this hobby knows these brands, we're not discovering something new so at the end of the day its just a huge waste of time. Its lazy content creation, pure and simple.
The tier list is simply a reflection of the views of person presenting the list. Nothing more.
These guys making lists are just their opinion and they are somewhat informed on the brands… not experts on every detail, but relatively informed. Everyone has biases, these things are not meant to be a comprehensive audit using qualified criteria to make a decision
as I said in the video - I dont think there ideas rise to the level of opinion
A watch tier list is like a second hand car dealer telling us what cars he likes. Totally irrelevant.
These lists are just filler content until the next hype brand has a new release. Gotta feed the algorithm 😊
Yeah, Alpina doesn’t fair well on these lists… but that’s perfect for you
absolutely how I want it to be
The thinking persons watch channel 😊
thanks
Tier lists and top 10s must be the laziest and pointless watch content on UA-cam. As you explain in the video, they use almost no tangible framework for comparison and offer no real insight.
You rank, I'll rank you back, you suck, top tier!
I think if you take the tier lists for what they are (pure entertainment) you will take them less seriously.
I dont think there is such a thing as pure entertainment
@ I do. It’s all in your mentality. Cmon Pete…how can anyone take Nico seriously…he’s the Chris Farley of the watch community--pure entertainment whether you like him or not
Boring comment perhaps.. but: Fully agreed.
yep tier lists are bull if you really like it , buy it its for you not them
Rolex
Agreed load of bs
Disagree. The watch tier lists are subjective they're often about what the Brand has done overall, not the thousands of options for one size of watch. Just like this video is subjective against tier lists. The creators even say they're subjective. Watch purchasing I find is almost always about your perception of a brand. You're trying to rationalise an irrational (often luxury) purchase, since when has that ever been a rational purchase? As somebody else has said they're often entertainment and I disagree with quite a few of their findings, I've purchased a watch because I've liked the watch, not because Nico said so, I wouldn't take it too seriously!
no - my criticism is not subjective in the least - I provided facts, logic and evidence. Dont confuse qualitative/quantitative with objective/subjective, different things.
@@PeteMcConvillWatches Watch buying is not qualitative nor is it objective, it is personal choice. You lost your objectivity when you ignored the fact that the creators themselves have said the lists are subjective and ignored the premise that watch buying is personal and is not a qualitative approach. That is in itself subjective.
@@TravellingTechie sorry but none of that makes sense.
Generally speaking, I agree. There are exceptions to the rule, though. I enjoyed the "Best & Worst of 2024" tier list by Mike from "This Watch, That Watch", because he actually offers some interesting thoughts as to why he places a brand in a certain tier.
to be fair I didnt mind that one - didnt love it but it was the best of the bad lot