I am a Christian, however the cover on that book is a Freemason checkered floor which gives me pause indeed. I assume by now you have read it, your thoughts please.
Walking away when either you or the other person is getting agitated is good advice. He forgot to acknowledge that you, the apologist, may become the emotional one. Also, don't make assumptions about what the other person's thinking. He committed the mind-reading fallacy by using the They-just-wanna-sin attribution. We all commit that fallacy sometimes. When you ask your questions to a nonbeliever, don't respond with a counterargument right away. Rather, really be interested in their response. Paraphrase it back. Ask another question. Paraphrase. Repeat. They will be more likely to become open to hearing you out afterwards.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
I actually do ask those questions of my wife, particularly what do you mean by that. I might not phrase it exactly like that, but seeing as how my native tongue is American English and hers is Korea, I want to make sure we are talking about the same thing at the same time rather than get into an argument about semantics. She also asks them of me and for 32 years it has worked just fine.
One of the things I admire most about you Frank, is your level of patience for the most hateful, self-defeating people. More often than not, I want to go all Highlander on them, metaphorical sword in hand; it amazes me you don't lose your cool.
That yours is the top comment, is very telling as to who is truly the most hateful group of people... Humans are continually getting smarter though; religion will eventually go the way of the dodo bird.
So good. It's true about the new religion. I totally agree. I'm really interested in apologetics as a fairly new Christian. I've come into it just as the gender issues have begun to harm our young people - where the church are saying it's okay to celebrate same sex union here because the church needs to update their image and please the people rather than God!!!. There's a lot of work to be done 🙂
As an apologist, it's best when communication with non-believers is to NOT place yourself in the position of being the one to answer their questions, but rather first acknowledge them, then be the one asking them questions. When they say, "I don't believe in God." Respond with, "Many people don't, and I can understand why many people wouldn't. But tell me...what is your reason for not believing?" Eventually, isolate what their reason is for being a non-believer. Then, ask them, "What would it take for you to become a believer...what would be your proof?" When they answer, then ask them, "How would you manage the person next to you that is not convinced with your proof?" Game over.
I learned the sales tactics when I sold life insurance. If you are filled with the Holy Ghost you don't need to use sales tactics. More Bible you know and memorize the more effective you'll be at spreading gospel.
What proof would I need, the proof I would require of a god existing, of creation, a first cause, the supernatural, would be evidence that is proven irrefutable, undeniable, indisputable, empirical, unfalsifiable,and conclusive of such. As for gods existing, creation, first cause, the supernatural there is zero evidence ,zilch, none, all arguements for are dead without evidence, there is no explanation without evidence, that is why no one has ever proven any gods to exist, creation to have occured, a first cause, or the supernatural to exist. ( Outside of man's fertile imagination )
The best way to have a constructive dialogue with an atheist is to do at least as much listening as you do talking. Greg Koukl's book is full of things that he *thinks* an atheist will say in response to a challenge. If you speak to a nonbeliever and you approach it as a "tactical" discussion, and think you know what they are going to say before they say it, and how you are going to respond in an imaginary conversation that hasn't happened yet, then you are *not* listening. There are numerous examples of things that atheists actually say that are simply not addressed by Koukl. If you want them to listen to you, you have to listen to them. Don't just do it through the lense of somebody who has the same viewpoint as you. Listen to the person you hope will agree with you. You will never give a satisfactory answer to somebody if you are not listening to what their actual issues are. Try and deal with the points they make, not ones an author *thinks* they will make. If you have a good case, you *will* be able to respond.
The way I approach it is if they're asking a sincere question I give a sincere answer but if they're asking questions just to be confrontational or argumentative that's where I shut it down. I will not cast my Pearls Before Swine
Exactly. If they don't want to genuinely understand then I shake the dust off my feet and end it. But sometimes I stay just to show them the insanity of atheism
@@choosejesus1910 how sincere can you be in return if you refer to atheism as insanity. If you are shoewing that kind of disrespect in conversation you shouldn't expect a worthwhile discussion.
@Benjamin Figgins That reality revolves around Jesus Christ who saved us from our self-righteousness.* I think the original comment is a valid point my friend. God bless you and Jesus loves you John 3:16- For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
@Benjamin Figgins God is just, meaning He has to punish sin, evil. God is also all-loving, and loves us so much that He came to take the punishment on Himself, so that we don't have to. So that if we accept and receive His payment, (Christ's death on the cross for our sins, his burial, and resurrection from the dead) we are forgiven. Not a loophole, it's God who is at the same time completely just, loving, righteous, and merciful. God bless and Jesus loves you my friend!
@Benjamin Figgins not at all. It's just clear you have an attitude and no understanding of the Trinity. A bad look. Don't cast pearls to anime swine, yada yada yada.
GoBallistic 99 it is meaningless to explain the supernatural to one that totally denies its existence in any form. And that is what is happening in this world as Apostle Paul even stated in his second letter to Timothy, everyone will eventually be lawless, make a god out of their own lives and whatsoever under the sun that God will eventually punish and give them what they deserve. Blessings my friend. Be well.
Jack Of All Trades I did not say that I am well-versed with the Bible and never will be because it is God’s Word. I can't fully comprehend what God has to say with my finite mind my friend. And you say puppet to people that willingly choose to let God take the driver seat of their life while managing themselves with His guidance as long as they choose to let Him be the driver of your own life. You can have peace and stability in this life but lose it all once you meet Death. ’Cause being human as we are, we all die in any way at any age at any time anywhere. To say you are very well versed with the Bible, I commend you, but how you accepted is your own choice and fate. And I respect that my friend. By the way: the verse you got with 2 Cor 10:5, read it thoroughly please, thank you.
Not to split hairs, but I think Frank's question should be, "If Christianity is true, would you become a Christian?" Not "If Christianity "were" true." I don't think it is too fine of a distinction.
"If, were" is actually the grammatically correct way of saying it. It's called subjunctive. I don't remember learning about it growing up, but wondered about it a few years ago after hearing "if, were" used. I see what you're saying, and would probably choose what you said. Since he's a scholar, I think Frank is wise to say it as he said it, lest he get criticized for not knowing the English language.
Didn't know about subjunctive just understood this method of asking as a minor allowance, ask it as a hypothetical in order to make the person being asked comfortable enough to give an honest answer. They believe it isn't true fair enough so ask from their perspective, "if Christianity were true would you be a Christian" this allows the person to think about the question without feeling like they are being tricked into saying Christianity is actually true it may also reveal something about themselves they didn't realise.
There should be no animosity when serving the lord. You introduce hate with your message you can always take down the devil with Jesus I’d Jesus is behind your words you should have no issues
Yurp. Nail on head again. All we can do is plant seeds and pray for those we witness to. Yes we may not be popular for speaking Truth but we know in our hearts we got them one step closer to consider Christ, to save a soul. It was no coincidence you were put in someone's life. ❤
It's not that your beliefs are unpopular because they're true, it's the arrogance of insisting those beliefs are true and that people desperately need what you're selling. A lot of atheists act shitty in response to the beliefs of others, but I don't actually care what you believe or why. It's just that you have a serious failing when you can't acknowledge that your beliefs and the patriarchal notion that you hold the path to salvation are unwanted to a lot of people. It's not maliciousness on your part, and in fact it might be rooted in the empathy you feel as a good person, but it's oblivious. That's what's wrong with apologetics, you can't start from the presupposition that god exists. At that point you might as well save the appeal to philosophy and just say you're right because god is right, because believe me, that's how it comes off. No one thinks you're making a logical case for something that by its very nature exists outside of logic and the confines of time and space, and the only people who are coerced by such arguments aren't truly on the fence on the topic but already have an openness to the supernatural that was never truly supressed.
@@whahappend8222 It's not arrogance, it a desperate attempt to show another what they have experienced and know to be True because they love them and don't want them to perish. It is sad that a Christian's attempt to show Love and steer them toward God is viewed as hate. But the bible did predict it so really not all surprised, just very sad. God bless you. ❤
@@whahappend8222 And just to pick your brain if I may? Do you believe in angels and demons or that there even is a spirit realm? Do you believe we have a soul or spirit?
@@reality1958 I would encourage you to watch NDE stories and testimonies. What other people have encountered has to count as something and can't be written off as fake or made up or chemicals in your brain. Until something is proven that it doesn't exist, you have to look at the possibility of things existing. Just because we can't see something doesn't mean it's not there, it's just in another realm or dimension.
While I couldn't answer this question at all, I want to add that you have to validate the person you interact with. If he is really into the conversation it's fine but most of the times ppl only want to argue about it and have no intent to let you speak or understand you. In the second case you have to leave from there...
I wish that naturalists like yourself would just admit they have no evidence, no valid argumentation-just blind, deaf, dumb, anti-science faith. But we both know you won't!
@@andresdanielemyou edited your comment... But it's just copy-pasted all over the comments. How smart do you think that makes you look. Oh, almost forgot the "LOL"
Indeed. Aldous Huxley, in his book, "The Perennial Philosophy", admitted that he and his friends, when they were in college, didn't WANT to believe in God because if they did, then they would have to give up indulging in all the sinful behavior that they were enjoying (drinking, sex, etc.).
@@reality1958 Oh, so you think it's GOD's job to come looking for YOU, eh? Interesting notion. :) Meister Eckhart wrote, "God is at home. It's we who have gone out for a walk." And Zen master Yuan Wu said, "From the moment of your birth until this very moment, you have been turning away from light, to darkness. Time to turn round and come home." Thanks much for sharing your thoughts, Barbara. Best wishes. 😊
@@reality1958 But He does want to have a relationship with us (heck, He yearns for one strongly enough to be willing to pour himself into human form for 33 years, AND get crucified), and He isn't hiding - it's we who are hiding, ever since Adam and Eve hid themselves in the Garden of Eden when they realized that they'd rather horrifically messed up. (Or TRIED to hide themselves, that is. It's actually a pretty funny notion if you think about it, thinking that you could HIDE from God, that if you just ducked into the bushes, He wouldn't be able to find you. HellOOOO - He's GOD, remember?) And God doesn't "demand" that we believe anything - He's very, very big on freedom of choice. Again, thanks for your thoughts - I enjoy hearing someone's viewpoint other than my own - after all, I already know what I think. :) I actually stopped teaching Zen because I was a bit sick of listening to ME talk. By the way, why do you just look like a giant letter "B" rather than a person? Just curious, that's all. Someone wiser than me (which, admittedly, isn't a bar that's set real high) once said, "It isn't that things don't exist or don't happen - it's that we don't SEE them. Saint Paul was oh so right when he said that we 'see as if through a glass darkly'. That's why encountering Christ is often likened to experiencing a burst of light - 'I once was lost, but now am found, was BLIND, but now I SEE'." In any event, if you would sincerely like to find God, I can at least tell you that He lives in the town of Paradox.
To argue that atheists "just don't want moral accountability," is the same as me arguing that Christians "just love God micromanaging them." Turek expects us to sacrifice a huge part of ourselves for a God we don't believe in. There's no reason to make us seem un-human, especially when you won't even sacrifice drinking caffeine because the Mormon up the road said, "You drink it because you just want to sin."
First off ...stay away from Mormons please.. lol second off frank dosent want you to do anything for god he's pointing people to a God that wants them& that is literally trying to save humanity from their sins (death) & he's right many of us if just not about all of us don't always like to be accountable for our wrongs & some never want to be accountable for their wrongs some people it's their way or no way until it's separation from God for an et
@@wyeishajones2523 Some people might not want to be accountable for their sins, but the same could be said about Christians: "You worship God because you just want to escape the Hell you deserve." But is this really an accurate portrayal? Only in some cases. The deeper reason many atheists don't follow Biblical morality is because they disagree with it. It's not necessarily that they WANT to sin. It's that they aren't going to sacrifice something for a God they don't believe in.
@@zeddicuszorrander3599 this idea that God's plan is just only to offer salvation is highly flawed iv seen this mindset from people who haven't really studied scripture or just glanced over the gospel not really trying to understand completely missing the point iv seen this from both believers & unbelievers reasons why it helps to be filled with holy spirit to better understand scripture then to just try to digest it from a logical perspective Jesus came to give life more abundantly he wasn't just talking about saving people souls from hell he he was talking God's plan for us to live how God intended for us too... to love God first & ourselves properly & others to be filled with the fruit of the spirit to have authority over the kingdom of darkness to conquer sin which is spiritual death & causes speration with god & so much... some people have this idea that they can just pray a prayer & live in constant rebellion to god abusing God's grace & have all the blessings now & a eternal after & they are horribly mistaken the kingdom of God is for those not just seeking paradise with God but for a people seeking righteousness & to live in righteousness & harmony with God some Christians understand this Jesus said pick up your cross & follow me God was showing us how to live how our characters are to be through Jesus life some people people understand this....& many others don't for the people who don't agree with God's plan is becuse they don't care to repent they don't care to learn to walk in righteousness they have lil to no accountability
What do you mean by "logical?" What do you mean by "person?" And what do you mean by "magical man?" (And I'm not being facetious. I'm seriously asking this).
@NotACapitalist That was not really smart of you to say. Dictionaries are written by people, who happen to have different ideas and a changing understanding regarding most words, which also vary and evolve throughout different times, places and circumstances. Asking about clear definition is a smart and honest thing to do, if you're really interested in the truth and a constructive discussion. Even Socrates, an ancient Greek philosopher, who lived thousands of years ago, recognized this and asked people, he disagreed with, such kind of questions. Please be a bit less provocative and offensive, when you may be wrong. You're not always the smartest person, you know... (Racism is also not a nice thing to promote)
@NotACapitalist How many dictionaries are there and how many different definitions are there for every word in average? Do people always mean exactly what they say? Do they always have to agree with certain definitions absolutely? Don't dictionaries evolve too, according to the language, rather than the opposite? You're behaving quite arrogant and aggressive my friend. Why do you call my being a "miserable existence" and what's wrong with asking others what they mean with what they say? I advice you to be more humble.
@NotACapitalist "Did you not learn about dictionaries?" "Had you knowledge, you would not need to be told that." "Why are you so lacking in knowledge of English definitions and your country" "do you lack logic?" "Knowledge isn't magical." "by people of intelligence" "some advice which you might consider at some point in your miserable existence" "I am mot the brightest crayon in the box, but you make it apparent that I am a brighter crayon than you" "Other than the fact you made, that you are too damned lazy to become well informed, did you have a point?" "You lack data for your intellect to operate upon." "Perhaps you might try using a dictionary" "You can resolve your own ignorance if you work at it." r/iamverysmart
Two points: 1) If aliens from another planet visited us, demonstrating technology so advanced that it was far beyond our ability to even understand it (much less duplicate it), we would deem it "magic". Similarly , with a Creator Who has the ability to create things which, for the most part, we cannot even explain (much less duplicate), we would also expect that some fools would also call that magic. 2) a) When people believe that things can happen BY THEMSELVES WITH NO INTELLIGENT AGENT, which clearly violates observable, repeatable, and established scientific principles, PLUS they will tell you that these things happen, while they admit that no one has ever seen them happen (not even themselves), I think we would skip the step of accusing them of believing in magic, and instead go directly to having them committed for being certifiably INSANE! Men of reason have clearly observed that that matter and energy do not simply materialize into existence, yet atheists DO believe that not only has it happened, but many of them believe it has happened an infinite number of times with entire UNIVERSES of matter and energy just "popping" into existence, FOR NO REASON and WITH NO INTELLIGENCE! ...and, b) People over 100 years ago believed that living things just "popped" into existence all the time! Although it was disproved (by a Creationist, by the way, who discovered the Biblically scientific Law of Biogenesis), atheists still believe that it happened (many times, apparently). Yet many of them refuse to critically examine their own magical beliefs!
Sometimes I feel sad, trying to convince faithless people, and in 2019 I pray to Jesus, and called upon his name and he heard me, I ask Jesus that I wanted to see him and I wanted to take his picture, and then it happened his face appears on the clouds, and I took his picture, this is the one Im using on my Logo , now I tell my testimony and show people the picture I took, but people still don't believe me. Praise the Lord for he heard my prayers, GOD Bless you
“Why should we turn to someone other than historians or scientists, the experts in their related fields of research, for answers related to history or science? Apologists are just there to take advantage of you, telling you what you want to hear when the evidence tells you otherwise. The sheer existence of apologists is reason alone to raise suspicion. Their dishonesty is blatant when you simply double check what they say. In the end, historians and scientists are not just one big conspiracy against Jesus, the Bible is simply wrong about most things.” -Joseph R. Hanson
When I wasnt christian, I would get mad when my gf brought it up. I believe it was the evil in me hating christ, not me or my mind, but the demons in me. Now that I believe I can see it in other people when I bring it up.
I agree that what you say is one possibility. I've also had people get furious with me when I talk about God, only to find out later in the conversation that no one was left in their life besides strangers. All family and relatives were dead, and they blamed God. They didn't understand how God could leave them all alone on this planet with only strangers as their kin. It was such deep hurt that it showed up as fury when God's name was mentioned.
What he has said has some truth to it, but it ignores the real elephant in the room. Protestants do not believe God's Law is binding for them today and they do not believe they can stop sinning, even by the power of the one given to us for this purpose: the Holy Spirit, and cheap grace allows anyone wearing the name of Christ as a badge to continue sinning and asking for forgiveness and thinking they will not suffer the judgment of God. That is the REAL elephant in the room. Why? Because all of these stand opposed to the Scriptures. Any non-believer who has picked up the Bible can see easily, especially when using Jesus' teachings a the standard, that these things of the Protestants are not true. THAT is the real elephant in the room. These Protestant evangelists and apologists do not profess the same principles that are in the text that they quote and they certainly do not live by them. Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery, "Go and try not to sin and when you do, don't worry, it's covered and just try a little harder next time, and if you never quit sinning, don't worry, you'll still get in." NO!!!! Jesus said to her, "Go and sin no more!". James said faith is made complete by actions/works. In fact, he declared that faith without actions/works is not real faith. It cannot save a person. It is dead. And if your faith is dead, it has no power to save you! That is the truth of the Scripture.
Only when it is convenient take litalerally, if not, say it's the context that matters. Sneaky stuff. The bible, as the Koran, are man made objects and full of violence etc. Religion needs to be a thing of the past.
@@rwj10 Ban love worship and I will come after you for entertainment. Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Luke 7:47 Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.”
@@4ucmikey No doubt that the bible is full of values we all hold dearly. In my opionion we don't need the bible or god to be good to one another. My neigbours are devout Christians and we got along perfectly even though we do not share religious believes and I come from a atheist perspective. We sometimes discuss Religion. But the title of this video is invasive in my opinion; hence my reaction.
Especially when folks like yourself don't have an apologetic for your own faith position. Thanks for stopping by and making claims you can't demonstrate, Ozzy. 😉
He is so right about this. I have ask many times what is your basis for that view? Most say that how I was raised up, or they say I read it off the internet.
I grant that there is a point of friction, but it isn't religious as you presented it. It is a host of issues: 1) Morality a) The idea of Christians imposing that their notions on others is not acceptable any more than someone else imposing their notions on a Christian or anyone else for that matter. The public space is about our freedom to be and hold whatever perspective so long as that perspective doesn't assault others to have the same for their lives. b) I (and it seems many others) don't find the Bible to be moral. The genocide, capacious killing, slavery, and more are simply putrid. 2) Fictional Notions versus Reality The Bible has numerous falsehoods that many Christians take to be true. I grant that this issue extends to other Abrahamic claimants as well. I can't really comment on whatever cognitive compromises by other religions since I have no reviewed sufficient numbers of the various others. You presented the idea that evolution was not true, which was the end of my simply watching your "I don't have enough faith to be an Atheist", since, I didn't find your miseducating people to be at all decent. I grant that the Republican party isn't representative of all Christians, but the level of scientific ignorance that is generally presented and the subsequent boneheaded decision making is simply putrid. So, yes, some of us hold a degree of hostility to the label Christian, since, it is often the case that there is a lot of baggage which will be problematic to someone. I grant that there are numerous bright and decent people who claim the label Christian, but the label itself is quite tarnished.
Pacen tho The following are rationally fictional: 1) Creation Account 2) Adam and Eve 3) Noah's Ark 4) Jonah Tale 5) Scale of slavery claimed of Jews by Egypt 6) Flat Earth depiction 7) Tower of Babel There's more, but this seemed to be enough for the moment.
1. A god exists. All other error in the Bible flows from this basic falsehood. Of course, if you've got evidence any god exist now, or ever did exist, I'll reconsider my opinion of the Bible.
MyContext None of these are rationally fictional if you have a reason to believe in God. Which i do. Miracles are a part of what God is capable of. So tell me rationally how the creation account is fictional. we can start with that.
***** Retarded assertion. I've had experiences with God before, which is something you'd like to dismiss as a hallucination, but i know what i saw. Not enough evidence for you? Who cares lol. The good thing about God is you can get evidence by asking God with an open heart to reveal himself to you. By open heart i don't mean you have to be crying in the fetal position about how sinful you are, i mean you are genuinely seeking God regardless of how many "enlightened" atheists would laugh at the fact you're looking for a "non-existent" entity. It's a matter of faith, which most atheists are never willing to do because they've already decided it's a ridiculous idea to call out to the "invisible sky daddy" cartoon character they have in their heads. Since you guys love to masturbate to the scientific method so much(which is ironically what enlightened atheist fail to employ constantly) Write this down: Hypothesis: God exists. Experiment: Ask God to reveal himself to you with an open heart. Then tell me what happens. If you're not willing to do this, don't cry about having no evidence.
Why do you think it's a matter of your own personal opinion when you try to legislate your superstition? You are imposing your superstition on others. Keep it to yourself.
@@panperl1212 " Is this a critique of the First Ammendment?" Nope. Your freedom of speech stops when it impinges on the rights and freedoms of others. This includes the rights of others to not hear what you have to say about your imaginary friend. Think of it this way: How would you feel if someone parked their car across the street and blasted death metal at 4000 db while you were trying to sleep on a work night? Freedom of speech includes freedom *from* speech as well. Or have you not taken any law?
Interesting that he needs a strategy to defend his position. It is almost as if he has no logic and evidence to support his claims. It is almost as of he cannot deal with opposition directly and intentional asks distracting questions to take the attention away from the assertions of people who spend their life studying science.
Steven Burdick your way of thinking is actually silly. We,Christians,don’t need tactics.What Frank is stating here is this: how to speak to you - so called atheists, and nonbelievers,about God - in whom you don’t believe,so you will not get so emotional as you tend to do so,for reason which we Christians do not understand.If you don’t believe, shouldn’t we have a nice,calm discussion or a debate then? Yet, you guys are getting so aggressive and emotional,for no reason,because as you claim,God doesn’t exist? We don’t get aggressive or hateful towards science,because science proves so much of God,that we actually love it!
At the 3:00 to 3:20 mark when he speaks of the 'elephant in the room' to 'the real issue'... In my experience, it's the complete opposite... it is about the evidence and it is about non-believers taking something away from believers, not the other way around.
I just don't get it how people can't see that Yahweh, the Bible, religions in general are man made. I really do think that most Christians avoid actually thinking about why they believe it. It provides a psychologically pleasurable feeling of security and fellowship that they just don't want to give up. I understand that part.
Also, I always hear that Yahweh does not want us to be robots. He wants us to freely choose to love and accept him. Do you believe this? That is my second question.
Candice Arlebemus Omnipotent? Yea God can do anything. Some ask can God defy the laws of non-contradiction? I'd say yes. I can't fathom that, but neither can i fathom eternity. Omniscient? Yup. Your second question: I think he wants us to freely choose to accept him. Choosing to love makes no sense, i hear dishonest Christians saying this all the time, because you don't choose who you love as love is a result of how the other person behaves toward you. I'm even skeptical about freely choosing to accept him, because my mind is really guided by how i feel or what i experience. So i don't even think i have control over that.
The lack of evidence for the things which are written in it. If you make a scientific assertion you have to provide scientific evidence to show that assertion is true.
The best thing an apologist could do when talking to a non-believer is suggest the non believer go talk to a biblical scholar instead of listening to the apologist bear false witness by pretending like they know something happened when they really don't know that thing happened
Christian apolgetics is an interesting contradiction. On one hand you have an all powerful, all knowing, deity who wants us to love him, and desires a relationship with us. On the other hand w apparently need Christian apologists to tell us about this God. If this all knowing, all loving, all powerful, God existed, I would expect that Christianity would be completely self evident, and there would be no need for apologists!
drumrnva Ah test of heart. Father already gave miracles to people but as history proof even if he shows miracles to the people the majority just wony listen. Time and time again this is shown. Now he doesnt make miracles that apparent we all have his word and the teatimony of the holy spirit. Would you listen to it? Would you actually take the time to find evidence to the life, death and resurrection of Jesus? All the information is out there. It is just a teast of heart really
God is easily proved to the reasonable. Still, you cannot will someone to agree with your evidence or logic. They have to be willing. Perspective is a funny thing. What do you think reality is?
The best apologetic to apply when talking to Atheists is none at all. We've heard the fallacies a hundred times before. Special. Pleading, circular reasoning, Pascals Wager, and that idiotic Kalam thing that WLC does. Concede the point that there is insufficient credible evidence for god and we can start to have a conversation. Until then I will regard your 'Apologetics' as propaganda and you as a dishonest interlocutor.
You're exactly right sir they don't want to deal with the confrontation and let's face it with the way the world is today God has too many rules according to them even though there's only 10
If Frank Turek and Dr. DINO (Kent Hovind) sat down and had a cup of coffee together, it'd be an extremely important event. I don't think they'd have much to debate about, but I'd definitely pay to see then have a general discussion
Hmmm... I don't know of any atheist that is not a Christian because they don't like Christianity's morality. It is because they don't find the evidence compelling enough to be true. Personally, I was completely happy with "no sex before marriage". I only changed my behavior after reading completely through the Bible 4 times and realizing that it didn't present me with any compelling evidence of a supernatural. I don't say this to start an argument about whether it is true or not. I only say it because atheists are not trying to escape the Christian God's morality by claiming he doesn't exist. The truth is, they don't subscribe to the Christian God's morality because they don't believe he exists.
Telling the truth kills credibility now? I also left on account of lack of evidence. Every atheist I've ever met has the same rationale (or was always an atheist.)
so before you were happy with the idea of not sex before marriage and then you changed your mind? coz the Holy Spirit told you told you that you were wrong and now you are right? people dont believe in God due the existency of the Bible, but by Faith. dear friend, i guess you tried to believed logically and there is where you failed. i might be wrong but nowadays most of the things we do believe such as Trinity are based only by FAITH. so... now look at inside you again without the Bible and ask yourself. IF CHRISTIANITY WERE TRUE, would that means that you wioudlnt make sense the definition of FAITH ITSELF? which means....
Show me evidence that there is a god, then we'll talk about not wanting a god. Until then just accept that I reject your claim of a god due to lack of evidence.
@@fdameron Alright. I will not mention the moral argument then. Let's just begin with the scientific one. Do you believe that natural laws (as for example mathematical and physical laws) govern the universe?
@@panperl1212 Also trying to imply that morals had to come from god is fallacious at best. If you can't demonstrate a god to begin with, claiming that morals came from god is a baseless assertion.
The truth is as simple and plain as two parallel lines that would never meet. People who do not want to accept the truth do so because their deeds are evil, so the find consolation in contrary and confusing theories that accommodates their sinful lives. In the book of Acts, when Stephen was peaching the truth to them and backing it up with evidence and historical facts, they all stopped their ears from listening to him and started to attack him with stones.
Maybe you should read material outside of the Bible. Including material that points out the many faults, contradictions and the blatant immorality of the Bible.
@@skellingtonmeteoryballoon Ok. Let’s start with this: this most significant event for the Christian faith - the crucifixion of Christ. On what day did it happen?
James Scobie And what exactly is your response "to this crap?" Seems to me like you are responding exactly as Frank Turek says you may, if you're an atheist.
I think sex IS the main religion of the lost, but they also have Environmentalism and Stateism as well. For some people, they are even more attractive than sex, because they feel they can say later that they were a part of a big, significant movement that promoted x, y, and z, and they get to feel good about themselves with NO accountability. A win win for the unsaved.
Sheik Yerbouti if they say no, the problem is not intellectual. They don't want to believe it and they know very well that they do believe but just don't want to let go of their sin.
Sheik Yerbouti I would walk away, the discussion ends there. They didn't walk into to with an open mind to be begin and they didn't plan on doing so anyway and at that point all you can do is pray.
@@Gnathan96 Hah! You really believe in Allah. You know Allah is the only true God but you deny it because you want to eat bacon and wash it down with beer. If you can manage to explain why I am wrong about you secretly believing in Allah but wanting to do things that Islam defines as sins then there is a slender chance you will be able to understand why your claim that Atheists secretly believe in your god but want to sin is wrong.
@Richard Ball It's almost fair questions. The thing is, there are no proof of these things aside from the resurrection of Christ. Now, if you don't believe that either, then i would suggest watch his full presentation and more of his videos which explain a lot of things. If you still don't believe, then the problem is you don't want it to be true.
I think you should first try to reach your fellow "Christians" and work through your disagreements over your holy book, and your different god beliefs. Even in Christianity there are thousands of different things that they disagree on. So until you guys figure out what in fact your god says or said, then you can attempt to come to other people, religious or non religious, and try to convince us.
What you said is not true. The problem is that you are ignorant to what Biblical Christianity is. Your "1000 different arguments" stem from cults that have nothing to do with Biblical Christianity.
youngnixx88788 no, it has to do with over 30,000 different denominations of Christianity, which all disagree with different views of the bible. If the Christian god is so perfect, why did he make a book so easily misinterpreted?
Casey Lee NEWSFLASH: just because someone calls themselves "christian" doesn't make them one. Do you even know what a Biblical Christian is? Can you explain? If not, your question is strawman and a weak one at that.
+Casey Lee The differences and minor contradictions don't matter because from those contradictions we can draw a common conclusion. For example, if all the books say that Jesus said so and so in a different way, then we can draw a conclusion that approximates what he said. Also, there are so little differences between branches, in fact there are only three branches with huge differences. Catholicism Protestantism and Mormonism. Catholicism believes in a pope which isn't biblically supported. And Mormonism believes in 3 gods which also isn't biblically supported. So in fact Protestantism and all its beaches teach the same message. Name me two Protestant branches that are majorly different
***** but the bible and other holy books are written by their own specific god right? Isn't the bible "gods word"? So shouldn't a perfect being such as your god be able to create it's book without all these different interpretations that everyone disagrees on? I mean if I was god, I would've done a much better job. And there aren't that many scientists who believe in a god, and much less who believe in the specific Christian god.
It's not just belief. It's patently obvious ACTION and BEHAVIOUR as well. You can believe what you want. When you move to impose those beliefs on others, when you move to have those beliefs enshrined in enforceable legislation -- then you better expect push-back in the form of people demanding you rationally justify your demands. When your demands pretty much end up being "because it's in this book" and that's it -- then you are going to be ridiculed.
@@panperl1212 Enforceable actions as in taking away protections from discrimination, or actively enabling and protecting discrimination. From enshrining the refusal to allow same-sex marriages, or enshrining (in legislation) laws against sodomy or blasphemy (victimless crimes).
@@PhrontDoor You're correct, it's not just belief. But maybe they're wrong, maybe they're right about certain things. Whose to say they're opinion shouldn't be heard? What if blasphemy is not a victimless crime and they're right on that thing? I'm not an American, but I really do support the first amendment (which includes your side about those topics).
@@panperl1212 If blasphemy were NOT a victimless crime, then you'd be able to rationally defend that claim. They can't. The same for the opposition to gay marriage and so on. There are NO rational defenses for such opposition, no defenses for the imposition of such laws. With murder and theft, we can easily present a simple, empirical harm, and a victim and a cause and effect. Their opinion can be heard. But if their opinion is just 'this book says X" then it's not THEIR opinion anymore -- it's the book. And the book has no right to be heard. When they can muster a rational defense, THEN we can consider legislation, but absolutely never before that.
@@PhrontDoor It may not be a crime against another human (it therefore shouldn't be a human law), but maybe it is a crime against God and can, therefore, be punished by God. (That would exclude enforceable legislation as you mentioned it)
You could ask your self; what are apologetics and why does religion need it? Definition: Apologetics is the religious discipline of defending or attempting to prove the truth of religious doctrines through systematic argumentation and discourse. Translation: Making up excuses for believe without evidence... So why would you need to make up excuses... Perhaps because the whole thing isnt true... ???
Wouldnt need apologetics if people would stop refusing to believe truth. No need for a trials in court if we didnt need to find the truth about the trial.
And when a community among them said, "Why do you advise [or warn] a people whom Allah is [about] to destroy or to punish with a severe punishment?" they [the advisors] said, "To be absolved before your Lord and perhaps they may fear Him."
So you need tactics to argue for your belief? Why not call it tricks? It needs tricks to trick out the natural human rational faculties, that could develop freely in a child if it is not tricked.
Great response from Frank regarding conversations with unbelievers, he is correct about the unbeliever not wanting to believe because of their sinful nature and not because of the lack of facts, but as Christians we still need to be humble and gracious in our approach to atheists as Scripture teachers us. Great job Frank! I'm enjoying your lectures
I am going to add to what you said about the new Religion: SEX. I have also come across a new Religion called : SELF. I believe it sits on a higher hierarchy of all the other new religions i.e. New Age Spirituality , Yoga, Meditation, Astrology, SEX, etc. And they are all here right now . It seems people are now doing everything under the guise of SELF ignorance or SELF consciousness to make the right moral choice . Do you have any advice on how we can deal with these. Cautious I listed quite a lot of things 😆
Basically, Self, Sex, State, and Stuff. That's what those of the World religion worship. Promise them all of the above and they will bow and worship whoever is making the promises.
I have a corollary to Frank's point about the religion of sex. It's also the religion of SELF. As to why there is such animosity, I think it is because of what Blaise Pascal pointed to, that we have a 'God shaped hole' inside of us. This means that on a fundamental, spiritual level, like it or not, atheists are angry because, deep inside they know its all true, and that is offensive to their conscious mind which worships self and logic before faith and God. It is so frightening to them, this idea that they are not the center of the universe, that they act out against anyone who tries to lead them to the truth. In their mind they will not only lose the kind of sex they worship, but they lose themselves as being preeminent in their own security-blanketed world. The fact is that realizing the truth of God is really awesome, but it must be embraced to be appreciated. They fear that. In fact, I have nearly stopped arguing with them about it. I share thoughts in the comment section of these videos, and then I go, having cast some seed, as in Matthew 13:3. Not all will be saved. Some will be lost. The Italian term is "Stunod," a person who will not let a truth penetrate their thick skull. I can share with them, because of Matthew 28, but I know that some of the ground will be rocks, and the seed cannot grow there. Still, I will cast the seed of truth.
@nickj14711 😴.....😪.....😲....ohhh, man I fell asleep for a moment. Did you say something important? Nah, it's just another atheist parroting the same old questions. *God bless you man!* 😴....😪...
God does take anything away he makes not want to do it (some one ask me do you have stop drinking if go to church I replied no but if u put your heart really put I heart ur not going to want to.)
I think Frank's question should be asked to Christians as well. "If Islam is true, would you believe it?" I think most Christians, including Frank, would say "No".
Great advice, but i've found that whatever questions i ask, i'd better be ready to answer if the same questions are asked of me.
Rhetoric
That sounds like a healthy approach 😊
well here's a little bit of knowledge colossians 4 6 niv and 1peter 3 15 niv.. only for those who loves wisdom
@@law7732 Fine but I will be cross checking them with both the King James and the Bishops Bible.
@@law7732 Thank you and *_God Bless_*
Yes, I am reading through Tactics right now. EXCELLENT resource. I recommend y'all purchase it.
I was debating on getting it.
I might buy it soon
I am a Christian, however the cover on that book is a Freemason checkered floor which gives me pause indeed.
I assume by now you have read it, your thoughts please.
@@canadiankewldude It's a checkerboard with the pawn showing as the 'I" in Tactics.
Man he’s actually so right about the new religion. Been trying to fight my own desires for a long time and my man Frank just laid it out
Me too brother , trust in God 🙏🏼
Walking away when either you or the other person is getting agitated is good advice. He forgot to acknowledge that you, the apologist, may become the emotional one.
Also, don't make assumptions about what the other person's thinking. He committed the mind-reading fallacy by using the They-just-wanna-sin attribution. We all commit that fallacy sometimes.
When you ask your questions to a nonbeliever, don't respond with a counterargument right away.
Rather, really be interested in their response. Paraphrase it back. Ask another question. Paraphrase. Repeat.
They will be more likely to become open to hearing you out afterwards.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
Thank you for that.
I actually do ask those questions of my wife, particularly what do you mean by that. I might not phrase it exactly like that, but seeing as how my native tongue is American English and hers is Korea, I want to make sure we are talking about the same thing at the same time rather than get into an argument about semantics. She also asks them of me and for 32 years it has worked just fine.
Very similar situation with my own wife who’s chinese
One of the things I admire most about you Frank, is your level of patience for the most hateful, self-defeating people. More often than not, I want to go all Highlander on them, metaphorical sword in hand; it amazes me you don't lose your cool.
Amen to that!
Chuck Norris for Jesus!
That yours is the top comment, is very telling as to who is truly the most hateful group of people...
Humans are continually getting smarter though; religion will eventually go the way of the dodo bird.
adynes Nope, if anything, evolution and atheism will eventually be dead. Plain and simple, troll.
In your dreams.
Your religion is only growing in South America and Africa and you aren't going to recognize it when they get through with it.
So educational, such good info, so helpful and honest! I appreciate your ability to share with love and patience. Thank you!
Man. This is just facts at it’s best
On point Doc! Sexual immortality is very strong in this day and age.
So good. It's true about the new religion. I totally agree. I'm really interested in apologetics as a fairly new Christian. I've come into it just as the gender issues have begun to harm our young people - where the church are saying it's okay to celebrate same sex union here because the church needs to update their image and please the people rather than God!!!. There's a lot of work to be done 🙂
W. H. H. Y.
W-hat do you mean by that?
H-ow did you come to that conclusion?
H-ave Y-ou considered...?
😊
Wow, I like that!!!
AWESOME
nice easy to remember
THANKS!! 👍🏼👍🏼😊
religion is illoigcal tho
the "Brilliante Award" is surely yours for this Frank.. Thanks and Shalom
Somo zuri sana...ubarikiwe 🙏
Whole thing great. Ending hilarious!
God has really blessed Frank.
I like this guy.
I love Frank's explanations, and also his sense of humour.
Great teaching! Thank you for your definitions while speaking or interacting with someone else. Those questions you can ask are very helpful.
Tactics is a great resource! Is it possible? Is it plausible? Is it probable? Good read!
frank thanks for the great videos/info, your awesome!
I 100% agree.
As an apologist, it's best when communication with non-believers is to NOT place yourself in the position of being the one to answer their questions, but rather first acknowledge them, then be the one asking them questions. When they say, "I don't believe in God." Respond with, "Many people don't, and I can understand why many people wouldn't. But tell me...what is your reason for not believing?" Eventually, isolate what their reason is for being a non-believer. Then, ask them, "What would it take for you to become a believer...what would be your proof?" When they answer, then ask them, "How would you manage the person next to you that is not convinced with your proof?" Game over.
Why do you believe what you believe? What would it take for you to become a nonbeliever?
I learned the sales tactics when I sold life insurance.
If you are filled with the Holy Ghost you don't need to use sales tactics. More Bible you know and memorize the more effective you'll be at spreading gospel.
@@itsJPhere a logical reason as to why the Bible is not reliable when everything else presented with less sources are.
@Beef Feet what do you mean by scientific ? What would that look like?
What proof would I need, the proof I would require of a god existing, of creation, a first cause, the supernatural, would be evidence that is proven irrefutable, undeniable, indisputable, empirical, unfalsifiable,and conclusive of such. As for gods existing, creation, first cause, the supernatural there is zero evidence ,zilch, none, all arguements for are dead without evidence, there is no explanation without evidence, that is why no one has ever proven any gods to exist, creation to have occured, a first cause, or the supernatural to exist. ( Outside of man's fertile imagination )
I like Frank's answers. I also like when he gives us humor.
The best way to have a constructive dialogue with an atheist is to do at least as much listening as you do talking. Greg Koukl's book is full of things that he *thinks* an atheist will say in response to a challenge. If you speak to a nonbeliever and you approach it as a "tactical" discussion, and think you know what they are going to say before they say it, and how you are going to respond in an imaginary conversation that hasn't happened yet, then you are *not* listening. There are numerous examples of things that atheists actually say that are simply not addressed by Koukl.
If you want them to listen to you, you have to listen to them. Don't just do it through the lense of somebody who has the same viewpoint as you. Listen to the person you hope will agree with you. You will never give a satisfactory answer to somebody if you are not listening to what their actual issues are. Try and deal with the points they make, not ones an author *thinks* they will make. If you have a good case, you *will* be able to respond.
Appreciate your work!
The way I approach it is if they're asking a sincere question I give a sincere answer but if they're asking questions just to be confrontational or argumentative that's where I shut it down. I will not cast my Pearls Before Swine
Exactly. If they don't want to genuinely understand then I shake the dust off my feet and end it. But sometimes I stay just to show them the insanity of atheism
@@choosejesus1910 how sincere can you be in return if you refer to atheism as insanity. If you are shoewing that kind of disrespect in conversation you shouldn't expect a worthwhile discussion.
@@JLBorges2803 Very sincere.
@@reality1958 Christians don't believe in gods and devils🤦
I get it now. God is a make believe person and I have to try to talk other people into believing it is real.
Wow! That was Brilliant!
The who, where, when & why questions about GOD are good questions!
Tactics... Great book, very informative and VERY practical
Those who will remain lost are those who refuse to give up the worship of "self."
@Benjamin Figgins That reality revolves around Jesus Christ who saved us from our self-righteousness.* I think the original comment is a valid point my friend. God bless you and Jesus loves you
John 3:16- For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
@Benjamin Figgins God is just, meaning He has to punish sin, evil. God is also all-loving, and loves us so much that He came to take the punishment on Himself, so that we don't have to. So that if we accept and receive His payment, (Christ's death on the cross for our sins, his burial, and resurrection from the dead) we are forgiven.
Not a loophole, it's God who is at the same time completely just, loving, righteous, and merciful. God bless and Jesus loves you my friend!
@Benjamin Figgins guy with anime profile picture, please tell me all the secrets of the universe.
@Benjamin Figgins not at all. It's just clear you have an attitude and no understanding of the Trinity. A bad look. Don't cast pearls to anime swine, yada yada yada.
Well said
These Words are truer then ever in this day and age..
What do you mean by that?
How did you come to that conclusion?
Have you ever considered same thing for Creator.
The spirit(mindset) of disobedient Cain will forever persecute the spirit(mindset) of obedient Able
A Christian once asked me to prove I had a brain, I said okay, but he'd have to pay for the MRI!
You got a brain, but do you have a mind, a conscience?
Jack Of All Trades how do you know that when evolution only explained that we have a brain, but not the human conscience?
GoBallistic 99 it is meaningless to explain the supernatural to one that totally denies its existence in any form. And that is what is happening in this world as Apostle Paul even stated in his second letter to Timothy, everyone will eventually be lawless, make a god out of their own lives and whatsoever under the sun that God will eventually punish and give them what they deserve. Blessings my friend. Be well.
Jack Of All Trades I did not say that I am well-versed with the Bible and never will be because it is God’s Word. I can't fully comprehend what God has to say with my finite mind my friend. And you say puppet to people that willingly choose to let God take the driver seat of their life while managing themselves with His guidance as long as they choose to let Him be the driver of your own life. You can have peace and stability in this life but lose it all once you meet Death. ’Cause being human as we are, we all die in any way at any age at any time anywhere. To say you are very well versed with the Bible, I commend you, but how you accepted is your own choice and fate. And I respect that my friend.
By the way: the verse you got with 2 Cor 10:5, read it thoroughly please, thank you.
@Jack Of All Trades if that is the case, what bests describes the reality we live today, tomorrow, and yesterday? (past, present, and future)
Dr. T is the great combination
Not to split hairs, but I think Frank's question should be, "If Christianity is true, would you become a Christian?" Not "If Christianity "were" true." I don't think it is too fine of a distinction.
"If, were" is actually the grammatically correct way of saying it. It's called subjunctive. I don't remember learning about it growing up, but wondered about it a few years ago after hearing "if, were" used. I see what you're saying, and would probably choose what you said. Since he's a scholar, I think Frank is wise to say it as he said it, lest he get criticized for not knowing the English language.
@@kv8443 yes the subjunctive. It's a dying grammatical tense in English but it is still alive and well in Spanish
Didn't know about subjunctive just understood this method of asking as a minor allowance, ask it as a hypothetical in order to make the person being asked comfortable enough to give an honest answer. They believe it isn't true fair enough so ask from their perspective, "if Christianity were true would you be a Christian" this allows the person to think about the question without feeling like they are being tricked into saying Christianity is actually true it may also reveal something about themselves they didn't realise.
It’s an impossible question for any to answer is yourself. You do it with love. This is a good tactic
There should be no animosity when serving the lord. You introduce hate with your message you can always take down the devil with Jesus I’d Jesus is behind your words you should have no issues
Don’t accuse anyone do it wit love Jesus drives us and we should have no fear.
If I cut off my nose and attached a trunk would I be an elephant
Anytime anyone tells me to buy something I cringe
How mush money should we get for proffering the selfless love of Christ
Yurp. Nail on head again. All we can do is plant seeds and pray for those we witness to. Yes we may not be popular for speaking Truth but we know in our hearts we got them one step closer to consider Christ, to save a soul. It was no coincidence you were put in someone's life. ❤
It's not that your beliefs are unpopular because they're true, it's the arrogance of insisting those beliefs are true and that people desperately need what you're selling. A lot of atheists act shitty in response to the beliefs of others, but I don't actually care what you believe or why. It's just that you have a serious failing when you can't acknowledge that your beliefs and the patriarchal notion that you hold the path to salvation are unwanted to a lot of people. It's not maliciousness on your part, and in fact it might be rooted in the empathy you feel as a good person, but it's oblivious.
That's what's wrong with apologetics, you can't start from the presupposition that god exists. At that point you might as well save the appeal to philosophy and just say you're right because god is right, because believe me, that's how it comes off. No one thinks you're making a logical case for something that by its very nature exists outside of logic and the confines of time and space, and the only people who are coerced by such arguments aren't truly on the fence on the topic but already have an openness to the supernatural that was never truly supressed.
@@whahappend8222 It's not arrogance, it a desperate attempt to show another what they have experienced and know to be True because they love them and don't want them to perish. It is sad that a Christian's attempt to show Love and steer them toward God is viewed as hate. But the bible did predict it so really not all surprised, just very sad. God bless you. ❤
@@whahappend8222 Also isn't selling something mean you get something in return? What exactly are we getting by sharing the gospel?
@@whahappend8222 And just to pick your brain if I may? Do you believe in angels and demons or that there even is a spirit realm? Do you believe we have a soul or spirit?
@@reality1958 I would encourage you to watch NDE stories and testimonies. What other people have encountered has to count as something and can't be written off as fake or made up or chemicals in your brain. Until something is proven that it doesn't exist, you have to look at the possibility of things existing. Just because we can't see something doesn't mean it's not there, it's just in another realm or dimension.
While I couldn't answer this question at all, I want to add that you have to validate the person you interact with. If he is really into the conversation it's fine but most of the times ppl only want to argue about it and have no intent to let you speak or understand you. In the second case you have to leave from there...
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
He said it, guys! Agree absolutely.
This is like a poker player asking "pro" player for advice on what to do if you have nothing on your hand, but want to win a game.
One of your best Frank, thanks
I wish faith-heads would just admit they have no evidence, no valid argumentation, just faith.
I wish that naturalists like yourself would just admit they have no evidence, no valid argumentation-just blind, deaf, dumb, anti-science faith. But we both know you won't!
Bruh I didn't open my dictionary.. why is another definition of ignorance, strawman and copium here? LOL.
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@@andresdanielemyou edited your comment... But it's just copy-pasted all over the comments.
How smart do you think that makes you look.
Oh, almost forgot the "LOL"
Indeed. Aldous Huxley, in his book, "The Perennial Philosophy", admitted that he and his friends, when they were in college, didn't WANT to believe in God because if they did, then they would have to give up indulging in all the sinful behavior that they were enjoying (drinking, sex, etc.).
@@reality1958 Oh, so you think it's GOD's job to come looking for YOU, eh? Interesting notion. :)
Meister Eckhart wrote, "God is at home. It's we who have gone out for a walk."
And Zen master Yuan Wu said, "From the moment of your birth until this very moment, you have been turning away from light, to darkness. Time to turn round and come home."
Thanks much for sharing your thoughts, Barbara. Best wishes. 😊
@@reality1958 But He does want to have a relationship with us (heck, He yearns for one strongly enough to be willing to pour himself into human form for 33 years, AND get crucified), and He isn't hiding - it's we who are hiding, ever since Adam and Eve hid themselves in the Garden of Eden when they realized that they'd rather horrifically messed up. (Or TRIED to hide themselves, that is. It's actually a pretty funny notion if you think about it, thinking that you could HIDE from God, that if you just ducked into the bushes, He wouldn't be able to find you. HellOOOO - He's GOD, remember?)
And God doesn't "demand" that we believe anything - He's very, very big on freedom of choice.
Again, thanks for your thoughts - I enjoy hearing someone's viewpoint other than my own - after all, I already know what I think. :) I actually stopped teaching Zen because I was a bit sick of listening to ME talk. By the way, why do you just look like a giant letter "B" rather than a person? Just curious, that's all.
Someone wiser than me (which, admittedly, isn't a bar that's set real high) once said, "It isn't that things don't exist or don't happen - it's that we don't SEE them. Saint Paul was oh so right when he said that we 'see as if through a glass darkly'. That's why encountering Christ is often likened to experiencing a burst of light - 'I once was lost, but now am found, was BLIND, but now I SEE'." In any event, if you would sincerely like to find God, I can at least tell you that He lives in the town of Paradox.
To argue that atheists "just don't want moral accountability," is the same as me arguing that Christians "just love God micromanaging them." Turek expects us to sacrifice a huge part of ourselves for a God we don't believe in. There's no reason to make us seem un-human, especially when you won't even sacrifice drinking caffeine because the Mormon up the road said, "You drink it because you just want to sin."
First off ...stay away from Mormons please.. lol second off frank dosent want you to do anything for god he's pointing people to a God that wants them& that is literally trying to save humanity from their sins (death) & he's right many of us if just not about all of us don't always like to be accountable for our wrongs & some never want to be accountable for their wrongs some people it's their way or no way until it's separation from God for an et
Eternity
@@wyeishajones2523 Some people might not want to be accountable for their sins, but the same could be said about Christians: "You worship God because you just want to escape the Hell you deserve." But is this really an accurate portrayal? Only in some cases. The deeper reason many atheists don't follow Biblical morality is because they disagree with it. It's not necessarily that they WANT to sin. It's that they aren't going to sacrifice something for a God they don't believe in.
@@zeddicuszorrander3599 this idea that God's plan is just only to offer salvation is highly flawed iv seen this mindset from people who haven't really studied scripture or just glanced over the gospel not really trying to understand completely missing the point iv seen this from both believers & unbelievers reasons why it helps to be filled with holy spirit to better understand scripture then to just try to digest it from a logical perspective Jesus came to give life more abundantly he wasn't just talking about saving people souls from hell he he was talking God's plan for us to live how God intended for us too... to love God first & ourselves properly & others to be filled with the fruit of the spirit to have authority over the kingdom of darkness to conquer sin which is spiritual death & causes speration with god & so much... some people have this idea that they can just pray a prayer & live in constant rebellion to god abusing God's grace & have all the blessings now & a eternal after & they are horribly mistaken the kingdom of God is for those not just seeking paradise with God but for a people seeking righteousness & to live in righteousness & harmony with God some Christians understand this Jesus said pick up your cross & follow me God was showing us how to live how our characters are to be through Jesus life some people people understand this....& many others don't for the people who don't agree with God's plan is becuse they don't care to repent they don't care to learn to walk in righteousness they have lil to no accountability
@@zeddicuszorrander3599 the evidence for god is all around & for those diligently seeking to know their creator he responds
Thank you!!
Turek: I'm a logical person, so let me tell you about the magical man in the sky who governs my life.
What do you mean by "logical?"
What do you mean by "person?"
And what do you mean by "magical man?"
(And I'm not being facetious. I'm seriously asking this).
@NotACapitalist
That was not really smart of you to say. Dictionaries are written by people, who happen to have different ideas and a changing understanding regarding most words, which also vary and evolve throughout different times, places and circumstances.
Asking about clear definition is a smart and honest thing to do, if you're really interested in the truth and a constructive discussion. Even Socrates, an ancient Greek philosopher, who lived thousands of years ago, recognized this and asked people, he disagreed with, such kind of questions.
Please be a bit less provocative and offensive, when you may be wrong. You're not always the smartest person, you know...
(Racism is also not a nice thing to promote)
@NotACapitalist
How many dictionaries are there and how many different definitions are there for every word in average? Do people always mean exactly what they say? Do they always have to agree with certain definitions absolutely? Don't dictionaries evolve too, according to the language, rather than the opposite?
You're behaving quite arrogant and aggressive my friend. Why do you call my being a "miserable existence" and what's wrong with asking others what they mean with what they say? I advice you to be more humble.
@NotACapitalist
"Did you not learn about dictionaries?"
"Had you knowledge, you would not need to be told that."
"Why are you so lacking in knowledge of English definitions and your country"
"do you lack logic?"
"Knowledge isn't magical."
"by people of intelligence"
"some advice which you might consider at some point in your miserable existence"
"I am mot the brightest crayon in the box, but you make it apparent that I am a brighter crayon than you"
"Other than the fact you made, that you are too damned lazy to become well informed, did you have a point?"
"You lack data for your intellect to operate upon."
"Perhaps you might try using a dictionary"
"You can resolve your own ignorance if you work at it."
r/iamverysmart
Two points: 1) If aliens from another planet visited us, demonstrating technology so advanced that it was far beyond our ability to even understand it (much less duplicate it), we would deem it "magic".
Similarly , with a Creator Who has the ability to create things which, for the most part, we cannot even explain (much less duplicate), we would also expect that some fools would also call that magic.
2) a) When people believe that things can happen BY THEMSELVES WITH NO INTELLIGENT AGENT, which clearly violates observable, repeatable, and established scientific principles, PLUS they will tell you that these things happen, while they admit that no one has ever seen them happen (not even themselves), I think we would skip the step of accusing them of believing in magic, and instead go directly to having them committed for being certifiably INSANE!
Men of reason have clearly observed that that matter and energy do not simply materialize into existence, yet atheists DO believe that not only has it happened, but many of them believe it has happened an infinite number of times with entire UNIVERSES of matter and energy just "popping" into existence, FOR NO REASON and WITH NO INTELLIGENCE! ...and,
b) People over 100 years ago believed that living things just "popped" into existence all the time! Although it was disproved (by a Creationist, by the way, who discovered the Biblically scientific Law of Biogenesis), atheists still believe that it happened (many times, apparently). Yet many of them refuse to critically examine their own magical beliefs!
This was beautifully said.
Be honest...who here bought some of Peter Popoff's "special water"?
Oof Peter pop off needs to repent
Sometimes I feel sad, trying to convince faithless people, and in 2019 I pray to Jesus, and called upon his name and he heard me, I ask Jesus that I wanted to see him and I wanted to take his picture, and then it happened his face appears on the clouds, and I took his picture, this is the one Im using on my Logo , now I tell my testimony and show people the picture I took, but people still don't believe me. Praise the Lord for he heard my prayers, GOD Bless you
I saw a horsie in the clouds … PRAISE THE HORSIE GOD!
Proof right here.
☝🏻
“Why should we turn to someone other than historians or scientists, the experts in their related fields of research, for answers related to history or science? Apologists are just there to take advantage of you, telling you what you want to hear when the evidence tells you otherwise. The sheer existence of apologists is reason alone to raise suspicion. Their dishonesty is blatant when you simply double check what they say. In the end, historians and scientists are not just one big conspiracy against Jesus, the Bible is simply wrong about most things.”
-Joseph R. Hanson
I highly recommend the Cross Examined App and you can get it in the Google store and Apple Store!
When I wasnt christian, I would get mad when my gf brought it up. I believe it was the evil in me hating christ, not me or my mind, but the demons in me. Now that I believe I can see it in other people when I bring it up.
I agree that what you say is one possibility. I've also had people get furious with me when I talk about God, only to find out later in the conversation that no one was left in their life besides strangers. All family and relatives were dead, and they blamed God. They didn't understand how God could leave them all alone on this planet with only strangers as their kin. It was such deep hurt that it showed up as fury when God's name was mentioned.
The Bible says our flesh is at enmity with God.
Great word !
What he has said has some truth to it, but it ignores the real elephant in the room. Protestants do not believe God's Law is binding for them today and they do not believe they can stop sinning, even by the power of the one given to us for this purpose: the Holy Spirit, and cheap grace allows anyone wearing the name of Christ as a badge to continue sinning and asking for forgiveness and thinking they will not suffer the judgment of God. That is the REAL elephant in the room. Why? Because all of these stand opposed to the Scriptures. Any non-believer who has picked up the Bible can see easily, especially when using Jesus' teachings a the standard, that these things of the Protestants are not true. THAT is the real elephant in the room. These Protestant evangelists and apologists do not profess the same principles that are in the text that they quote and they certainly do not live by them. Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery, "Go and try not to sin and when you do, don't worry, it's covered and just try a little harder next time, and if you never quit sinning, don't worry, you'll still get in." NO!!!! Jesus said to her, "Go and sin no more!". James said faith is made complete by actions/works. In fact, he declared that faith without actions/works is not real faith. It cannot save a person. It is dead. And if your faith is dead, it has no power to save you! That is the truth of the Scripture.
Luke 19:27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’ ”
Please read the context. It is writtin within a parable
@@Kodroak Ah, so *not* evrything in the Bible is literal. Got it.
Only when it is convenient take litalerally, if not, say it's the context that matters. Sneaky stuff. The bible, as the Koran, are man made objects and full of violence etc. Religion needs to be a thing of the past.
@@rwj10 Ban love worship and I will come after you for entertainment.
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Luke 7:47 Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.”
@@4ucmikey No doubt that the bible is full of values we all hold dearly. In my opionion we don't need the bible or god to be good to one another. My neigbours are devout Christians and we got along perfectly even though we do not share religious believes and I come from a atheist perspective. We sometimes discuss Religion. But the title of this video is invasive in my opinion; hence my reaction.
A good reminder of how terrible apologetics is.
Especially when folks like yourself don't have an apologetic for your own faith position. Thanks for stopping by and making claims you can't demonstrate, Ozzy. 😉
@@jessebryant9233 No, I don't do faith. You made a claim there. Now can you back it up?
He is so right about this. I have ask many times what is your basis for that view? Most say that how I was raised up, or they say I read it off the internet.
I grant that there is a point of friction, but it isn't religious as you presented it. It is a host of issues:
1) Morality
a) The idea of Christians imposing that their notions on others is not acceptable any more than someone else imposing their notions on a Christian or anyone else for that matter. The public space is about our freedom to be and hold whatever perspective so long as that perspective doesn't assault others to have the same for their lives.
b) I (and it seems many others) don't find the Bible to be moral. The genocide, capacious killing, slavery, and more are simply putrid.
2) Fictional Notions versus Reality
The Bible has numerous falsehoods that many Christians take to be true. I grant that this issue extends to other Abrahamic claimants as well. I can't really comment on whatever cognitive compromises by other religions since I have no reviewed sufficient numbers of the various others. You presented the idea that evolution was not true, which was the end of my simply watching your "I don't have enough faith to be an Atheist", since, I didn't find your miseducating people to be at all decent. I grant that the Republican party isn't representative of all Christians, but the level of scientific ignorance that is generally presented and the subsequent boneheaded decision making is simply putrid.
So, yes, some of us hold a degree of hostility to the label Christian, since, it is often the case that there is a lot of baggage which will be problematic to someone. I grant that there are numerous bright and decent people who claim the label Christian, but the label itself is quite tarnished.
What falsehoods are in the Bible. I'm listening.
Pacen tho
The following are rationally fictional:
1) Creation Account
2) Adam and Eve
3) Noah's Ark
4) Jonah Tale
5) Scale of slavery claimed of Jews by Egypt
6) Flat Earth depiction
7) Tower of Babel
There's more, but this seemed to be enough for the moment.
1. A god exists.
All other error in the Bible flows from this basic falsehood. Of course, if you've got evidence any god exist now, or ever did exist, I'll reconsider my opinion of the Bible.
MyContext None of these are rationally fictional if you have a reason to believe in God. Which i do. Miracles are a part of what God is capable of.
So tell me rationally how the creation account is fictional. we can start with that.
***** Retarded assertion. I've had experiences with God before, which is something you'd like to dismiss as a hallucination, but i know what i saw.
Not enough evidence for you? Who cares lol. The good thing about God is you can get evidence by asking God with an open heart to reveal himself to you. By open heart i don't mean you have to be crying in the fetal position about how sinful you are, i mean you are genuinely seeking God regardless of how many "enlightened" atheists would laugh at the fact you're looking for a "non-existent" entity.
It's a matter of faith, which most atheists are never willing to do because they've already decided it's a ridiculous idea to call out to the "invisible sky daddy" cartoon character they have in their heads.
Since you guys love to masturbate to the scientific method so much(which is ironically what enlightened atheist fail to employ constantly) Write this down:
Hypothesis: God exists.
Experiment: Ask God to reveal himself to you with an open heart.
Then tell me what happens. If you're not willing to do this, don't cry about having no evidence.
Good strategy , ask questions ...i think they call it the sacrotic method.
Why do you think it's a matter of your own personal opinion when you try to legislate your superstition? You are imposing your superstition on others. Keep it to yourself.
What do you mean by 'legislating his superstition' and "Keep it to yourself"? Is this a critique of the First Ammendment?
@@panperl1212 " Is this a critique of the First Ammendment?" Nope. Your freedom of speech stops when it impinges on the rights and freedoms of others. This includes the rights of others to not hear what you have to say about your imaginary friend. Think of it this way: How would you feel if someone parked their car across the street and blasted death metal at 4000 db while you were trying to sleep on a work night? Freedom of speech includes freedom *from* speech as well. Or have you not taken any law?
@@frosted1030
What exactly would you like to change?
@@panperl1212 "What exactly would you like to change?
" The impingement of freedoms are *not your talking points.* Keep your superstition to yourself.
@@frosted1030
I don't want to do such things. I'm just curious
great question
Interesting that he needs a strategy to defend his position. It is almost as if he has no logic and evidence to support his claims. It is almost as of he cannot deal with opposition directly and intentional asks distracting questions to take the attention away from the assertions of people who spend their life studying science.
Steven Burdick your way of thinking is actually silly. We,Christians,don’t need tactics.What Frank is stating here is this: how to speak to you - so called atheists, and nonbelievers,about God - in whom you don’t believe,so you will not get so emotional as you tend to do so,for reason which we Christians do not understand.If you don’t believe, shouldn’t we have a nice,calm discussion or a debate then? Yet, you guys are getting so aggressive and emotional,for no reason,because as you claim,God doesn’t exist? We don’t get aggressive or hateful towards science,because science proves so much of God,that we actually love it!
Yet you don't have any evidence to prove atheism, or disprove theism. Quite ironic isn't it?
At the 3:00 to 3:20 mark when he speaks of the 'elephant in the room' to 'the real issue'... In my experience, it's the complete opposite... it is about the evidence and it is about non-believers taking something away from believers, not the other way around.
I just don't get it how people can't see that Yahweh, the Bible, religions in general are man made. I really do think that most Christians avoid actually thinking about why they believe it. It provides a psychologically pleasurable feeling of security and fellowship that they just don't want to give up. I understand that part.
Give me a reason not to believe the Bible. I'm listening.
Pacen tho First, a question. Do you believe that Yahweh is both omnipotent and omniscient?
Also, I always hear that Yahweh does not want us to be robots. He wants us to freely choose to love and accept him. Do you believe this? That is my second question.
Candice Arlebemus Omnipotent? Yea God can do anything. Some ask can God defy the laws of non-contradiction? I'd say yes. I can't fathom that, but neither can i fathom eternity.
Omniscient? Yup.
Your second question:
I think he wants us to freely choose to accept him. Choosing to love makes no sense, i hear dishonest Christians saying this all the time, because you don't choose who you love as love is a result of how the other person behaves toward you.
I'm even skeptical about freely choosing to accept him, because my mind is really guided by how i feel or what i experience. So i don't even think i have control over that.
The lack of evidence for the things which are written in it. If you make a scientific assertion you have to provide scientific evidence to show that assertion is true.
The best thing an apologist could do when talking to a non-believer is suggest the non believer go talk to a biblical scholar instead of listening to the apologist bear false witness by pretending like they know something happened when they really don't know that thing happened
....or you could just dispense with apologetics altogether and simply demonstrate that your God exists.
Christian apolgetics is an interesting contradiction. On one hand you have an all powerful, all knowing, deity who wants us to love him, and desires a relationship with us. On the other hand w apparently need Christian apologists to tell us about this God.
If this all knowing, all loving, all powerful, God existed, I would expect that Christianity would be completely self evident, and there would be no need for apologists!
For a god that wants everyone to know him he's sure amazing at hiding all evidence of his own existence.
drumrnva Ah test of heart. Father already gave miracles to people but as history proof even if he shows miracles to the people the majority just wony listen. Time and time again this is shown. Now he doesnt make miracles that apparent we all have his word and the teatimony of the holy spirit. Would you listen to it? Would you actually take the time to find evidence to the life, death and resurrection of Jesus? All the information is out there. It is just a teast of heart really
God is easily proved to the reasonable. Still, you cannot will someone to agree with your evidence or logic. They have to be willing. Perspective is a funny thing.
What do you think reality is?
drumrnva God does exist
Thank you for such clarity and thoughtful, sound content. Such a blessing🙏🙏
The best apologetic to apply when talking to Atheists is none at all. We've heard the fallacies a hundred times before. Special. Pleading, circular reasoning, Pascals Wager, and that idiotic Kalam thing that WLC does.
Concede the point that there is insufficient credible evidence for god and we can start to have a conversation.
Until then I will regard your 'Apologetics' as propaganda and you as a dishonest interlocutor.
You're exactly right sir they don't want to deal with the confrontation and let's face it with the way the world is today God has too many rules according to them even though there's only 10
If Frank Turek and Dr. DINO (Kent Hovind) sat down and had a cup of coffee together, it'd be an extremely important event. I don't think they'd have much to debate about, but I'd definitely pay to see then have a general discussion
You’d have to pay Kent’s bail first. 🧐
Hmmm... I don't know of any atheist that is not a Christian because they don't like Christianity's morality. It is because they don't find the evidence compelling enough to be true. Personally, I was completely happy with "no sex before marriage". I only changed my behavior after reading completely through the Bible 4 times and realizing that it didn't present me with any compelling evidence of a supernatural. I don't say this to start an argument about whether it is true or not. I only say it because atheists are not trying to escape the Christian God's morality by claiming he doesn't exist. The truth is, they don't subscribe to the Christian God's morality because they don't believe he exists.
"I don't know of any atheist that is not a Christian because they don't like Christianity's morality."? That statement kills any credibility.
CBA
^lol^
Telling the truth kills credibility now? I also left on account of lack of evidence. Every atheist I've ever met has the same rationale (or was always an atheist.)
so before you were happy with the idea of not sex before marriage and then you changed your mind? coz the Holy Spirit told you told you that you were wrong and now you are right? people dont believe in God due the existency of the Bible, but by Faith. dear friend, i guess you tried to believed logically and there is where you failed. i might be wrong but nowadays most of the things we do believe such as Trinity are based only by FAITH. so... now look at inside you again without the Bible and ask yourself. IF CHRISTIANITY WERE TRUE, would that means that you wioudlnt make sense the definition of FAITH ITSELF? which means....
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Question for Frank Turek: If Hinduism were shown to be true, would you become a Hindu?
Show me evidence that there is a god, then we'll talk about not wanting a god. Until then just accept that I reject your claim of a god due to lack of evidence.
Scientific evidence, philosophical evidence or historical evidence?
@@panperl1212 Historical or scientific. Philosophical evidence is not falsifiable and is therefore not evidence.
@@fdameron
Alright. I will not mention the moral argument then. Let's just begin with the scientific one.
Do you believe that natural laws (as for example mathematical and physical laws) govern the universe?
@@panperl1212 The existence of the universe is not evidence for god, neither is the complexity of the universe.
@@panperl1212 Also trying to imply that morals had to come from god is fallacious at best. If you can't demonstrate a god to begin with, claiming that morals came from god is a baseless assertion.
The truth is as simple and plain as two parallel lines that would never meet. People who do not want to accept the truth do so because their deeds are evil, so the find consolation in contrary and confusing theories that accommodates their sinful lives. In the book of Acts, when Stephen was peaching the truth to them and backing it up with evidence and historical facts, they all stopped their ears from listening to him and started to attack him with stones.
Maybe you should read material outside of the Bible. Including material that points out the many faults, contradictions and the blatant immorality of the Bible.
@@shankz8854 what's your best example?
@@skellingtonmeteoryballoon of what?
@@shankz8854 the "faults, contradictions" you found mentioned above
@@skellingtonmeteoryballoon Ok. Let’s start with this: this most significant event for the Christian faith - the crucifixion of Christ. On what day did it happen?
I have formed a video response, shall link below.
EssenceOfThought ...I like your videos. I'll try to find your response to this crap. lol
James Scobie And what exactly is your response "to this crap?" Seems to me like you are responding exactly as Frank Turek says you may, if you're an atheist.
I wait with bated breath for your response here!
I think sex IS the main religion of the lost, but they also have Environmentalism and Stateism as well. For some people, they are even more attractive than sex, because they feel they can say later that they were a part of a big, significant movement that promoted x, y, and z, and they get to feel good about themselves with NO accountability. A win win for the unsaved.
"If Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?" What if they say no? Shake the dust off yer feet?
Sheik Yerbouti if they say no, the problem is not intellectual. They don't want to believe it and they know very well that they do believe but just don't want to let go of their sin.
@@Gnathan96 i get that. My question is what then? Does it become a pearls before swine thing, and you just walk away?
Sheik Yerbouti I would walk away, the discussion ends there. They didn't walk into to with an open mind to be begin and they didn't plan on doing so anyway and at that point all you can do is pray.
@@Gnathan96 Hah! You really believe in Allah. You know Allah is the only true God but you deny it because you want to eat bacon and wash it down with beer.
If you can manage to explain why I am wrong about you secretly believing in Allah but wanting to do things that Islam defines as sins then there is a slender chance you will be able to understand why your claim that Atheists secretly believe in your god but want to sin is wrong.
@Richard Ball It's almost fair questions. The thing is, there are no proof of these things aside from the resurrection of Christ. Now, if you don't believe that either, then i would suggest watch his full presentation and more of his videos which explain a lot of things. If you still don't believe, then the problem is you don't want it to be true.
5 years later ... it's the new religion of self
I think you should first try to reach your fellow "Christians" and work through your disagreements over your holy book, and your different god beliefs. Even in Christianity there are thousands of different things that they disagree on. So until you guys figure out what in fact your god says or said, then you can attempt to come to other people, religious or non religious, and try to convince us.
What you said is not true. The problem is that you are ignorant to what Biblical Christianity is. Your "1000 different arguments" stem from cults that have nothing to do with Biblical Christianity.
youngnixx88788 no, it has to do with over 30,000 different denominations of Christianity, which all disagree with different views of the bible. If the Christian god is so perfect, why did he make a book so easily misinterpreted?
Casey Lee
NEWSFLASH: just because someone calls themselves "christian" doesn't make them one.
Do you even know what a Biblical Christian is? Can you explain?
If not, your question is strawman and a weak one at that.
+Casey Lee The differences and minor contradictions don't matter because from those contradictions we can draw a common conclusion. For example, if all the books say that Jesus said so and so in a different way, then we can draw a conclusion that approximates what he said. Also, there are so little differences between branches, in fact there are only three branches with huge differences. Catholicism Protestantism and Mormonism. Catholicism believes in a pope which isn't biblically supported. And Mormonism believes in 3 gods which also isn't biblically supported. So in fact Protestantism and all its beaches teach the same message. Name me two Protestant branches that are majorly different
***** but the bible and other holy books are written by their own specific god right? Isn't the bible "gods word"? So shouldn't a perfect being such as your god be able to create it's book without all these different interpretations that everyone disagrees on? I mean if I was god, I would've done a much better job.
And there aren't that many scientists who believe in a god, and much less who believe in the specific Christian god.
It's not just belief. It's patently obvious ACTION and BEHAVIOUR as well. You can believe what you want.
When you move to impose those beliefs on others, when you move to have those beliefs enshrined in enforceable legislation -- then you better expect push-back in the form of people demanding you rationally justify your demands.
When your demands pretty much end up being "because it's in this book" and that's it -- then you are going to be ridiculed.
To what specific action are you referring to? What do you mean with "enforceable legislation"?
@@panperl1212 Enforceable actions as in taking away protections from discrimination, or actively enabling and protecting discrimination. From enshrining the refusal to allow same-sex marriages, or enshrining (in legislation) laws against sodomy or blasphemy (victimless crimes).
@@PhrontDoor
You're correct, it's not just belief.
But maybe they're wrong, maybe they're right about certain things. Whose to say they're opinion shouldn't be heard? What if blasphemy is not a victimless crime and they're right on that thing?
I'm not an American, but I really do support the first amendment (which includes your side about those topics).
@@panperl1212 If blasphemy were NOT a victimless crime, then you'd be able to rationally defend that claim. They can't.
The same for the opposition to gay marriage and so on. There are NO rational defenses for such opposition, no defenses for the imposition of such laws.
With murder and theft, we can easily present a simple, empirical harm, and a victim and a cause and effect.
Their opinion can be heard. But if their opinion is just 'this book says X" then it's not THEIR opinion anymore -- it's the book. And the book has no right to be heard.
When they can muster a rational defense, THEN we can consider legislation, but absolutely never before that.
@@PhrontDoor
It may not be a crime against another human (it therefore shouldn't be a human law), but maybe it is a crime against God and can, therefore, be punished by God. (That would exclude enforceable legislation as you mentioned it)
You could ask your self; what are apologetics and why does religion need it?
Definition: Apologetics is the religious discipline of defending or attempting to prove the truth of religious doctrines through systematic argumentation and discourse.
Translation: Making up excuses for believe without evidence...
So why would you need to make up excuses... Perhaps because the whole thing isnt true... ???
Babeaba but "excuses" isn't in the definition, ironically you used that aa an excuse to make up your personal definition
Williams World View this isn’t the worldview according to Williams bud. God is in control my friend
Wouldnt need apologetics if people would stop refusing to believe truth. No need for a trials in court if we didnt need to find the truth about the trial.
And when a community among them said, "Why do you advise [or warn] a people whom Allah is [about] to destroy or to punish with a severe punishment?" they [the advisors] said, "To be absolved before your Lord and perhaps they may fear Him."
@@maow9240 believing in truth is what made me an atheist.
Thank you
So you need tactics to argue for your belief? Why not call it tricks? It needs tricks to trick out the natural human rational faculties, that could develop freely in a child if it is not tricked.
Great response from Frank regarding conversations with unbelievers, he is correct about the unbeliever not wanting to believe because of their sinful nature and not because of the lack of facts, but as Christians we still need to be humble and gracious in our approach to atheists as Scripture teachers us. Great job Frank! I'm enjoying your lectures
And I didn't realize Frank is marriage counselor also.
I am going to add to what you said about the new Religion: SEX.
I have also come across a new Religion called : SELF.
I believe it sits on a higher hierarchy of all the other new religions i.e. New Age Spirituality , Yoga, Meditation, Astrology, SEX, etc. And they are all here right now .
It seems people are now doing everything under the guise of SELF ignorance or SELF consciousness to make the right moral choice .
Do you have any advice on how we can deal with these. Cautious I listed quite a lot of things 😆
Basically, Self, Sex, State, and Stuff. That's what those of the World religion worship. Promise them all of the above and they will bow and worship whoever is making the promises.
@@jessebryant9233😂😂😂The irony.
@@oscargr_
How's that? (POH?)
Please leave non believers alone!
Why do so many atheists go on videos about religion and bash it?
The wheat 🌾 grow with the tares
Amen.
I have a corollary to Frank's point about the religion of sex. It's also the religion of SELF. As to why there is such animosity, I think it is because of what Blaise Pascal pointed to, that we have a 'God shaped hole' inside of us. This means that on a fundamental, spiritual level, like it or not, atheists are angry because, deep inside they know its all true, and that is offensive to their conscious mind which worships self and logic before faith and God. It is so frightening to them, this idea that they are not the center of the universe, that they act out against anyone who tries to lead them to the truth. In their mind they will not only lose the kind of sex they worship, but they lose themselves as being preeminent in their own security-blanketed world. The fact is that realizing the truth of God is really awesome, but it must be embraced to be appreciated. They fear that. In fact, I have nearly stopped arguing with them about it. I share thoughts in the comment section of these videos, and then I go, having cast some seed, as in Matthew 13:3. Not all will be saved. Some will be lost. The Italian term is "Stunod," a person who will not let a truth penetrate their thick skull. I can share with them, because of Matthew 28, but I know that some of the ground will be rocks, and the seed cannot grow there. Still, I will cast the seed of truth.
Truth Frank, Truth!
@nickj14711 Says the guy who believes *nothing* exploded and created everything, then nothing crawled out of a swamp and mutated into everything...😂
@nickj14711
@nickj14711 😴.....😪.....😲....ohhh, man I fell asleep for a moment. Did you say something important?
Nah, it's just another atheist parroting the same old questions.
*God bless you man!*
😴....😪...
1. What do you mean by that? (define the term)
2. How did you come to that conclusion? (got evidence?)
3. Have you ever considered .... ?
Great. Well done.
Now ask yourself those questions.
Save it for the choir.
😂 thanks uncle Frank
God does take anything away he makes not want to do it (some one ask me do you have stop drinking if go to church I replied no but if u put your heart really put I heart ur not going to want to.)
I think Frank's question should be asked to Christians as well.
"If Islam is true, would you believe it?"
I think most Christians, including Frank, would say "No".
The problem is that it is not true. Proof of Jesus Resurrection is too strong.