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SF3:SI Akuma is the most broken. He had an instant overhead dive kick that couldn't be parried which went into a full damage combo. SF2:ST Akuma was also banned from tournaments.
Super Turbo Akuma barely even counts as a roster character. They basically flipped the switch on making the boss playable with normal damage scaling and that was it.
Considering you need a cheat code he was never legal in any serious sence. Its just like playing as master hand or giga boswer in melle. Like you need to essentially do dev commands to do it.
WW Guile could just magic throw all day and you'd never get a chance to play, but even without magic throw he was easily the most OP character in the history of sf2 (or sf in general)
Original WW Guile is absolutely objectively the most OP of all sf. He was virtually unbeatable in that game even not counting the way I'd consecutively magic throw people to death with zero chance to play
The strongest SFV character was actually Blanka on release because he could easily freeze the game and force a draw any time he wasn't winning. I know that doesn't *really* count but dealing with people who did that online for a week was the most annoying shit
The glitch wasn't out when blanka came out, it was like a year later and it doesn't work the way you describe it. The timestop just let Blanka get some pretty strong punishes, and he wasn't even the best character at the time with the glitch.
The time freeze only lasts a few moments before ending, so you won't be able to effectively time people out with it. Blanka came out in feb 2018 but the glitch got discovered in feb 2019. Add to this the fact that you need a super stocked to do the glitch and it was a pretty rare thing that you would be able to use it. Bafael has a video on some big damage punishes it can earn you, but generally having to always save your meter to perform the glitch is gonna make you play worse than just spending meter appropriately. It was a situational thing that could do some funny stuff and did not make Blanka very strong at all.
Bro you completely forget Brazilian kens in sfv with their slow ass internet + sfv already dogshit netcode. Ken is easily the most broken lol. Nah but for real good video man
Did major even exist back then? Also something that op didn't mention was that a lot of characters didn't get an anti fireball ultra in 4. Guile, Rufus, ken, gouken, sim, blanks, bison, ibuki all got anti fireball ultra's when super came out.
@@HitPeace bruv, high level fighting game tournaments with many players didn't only just pop into existence with SFV when it all became more "esports" and less wild
Surprised SF2 Akuma didn't get a mention SSF2 Turbo to be precise.) As I understand it he was banned in basically every tournament of the era and is STILL banned in many because his air fireballs were something that characters in that game engine simply weren't designed to fight. Once he started hopping and raining fire, you just lost.
As a person who played SF4 day one all the way to the final version. Yes Sagat was legendary, but Day 1 Yun was broken, still sort of is, everything changed when Yun came to SF4. The finals of every tournament was Yun vs Yun. Prove me wrong
Here's a guy with some sense👌🏿💯. Sagat hit like two trucks but actually had to earn his hits. Yun tho......naa son, he gonna get his damage in a multitude of ways and in the manner of his choosing.
I remember the days on GameFAQs when everyone was defending pre-nerf Yun when I said he was overpowered. I fought a guy on there who I had a bit of a beef with and while he was losing, he did manage to win when picking Yun. Yun had an insane advantage against most of the cast pre-nerf. Of course, in the end I was proved right, and his victory turned out to be a hollow one as he lost with any character that wasn’t Yun.
You should've mentioned Sagat in SF2T. He had an insane uppercut, the best fireball in the game, quick normals and just a pain to deal with. Even though Sagat isn't as invincible with his DP like Ryu players use his Tiger Uppercut anyways because they are willing to trade...especially when Sagat uses the uppercut in close range. A simple 3 hit combo would take half your life if you end the combo with a Tiger Uppercut.
Ultra SF2 is a pretty unpopular game; Violent Ken and Akuma are broken. Violent Ken’s Command Dash leads to 50/50’s guessing games on which side he’ll shoryuken you or other mixup. Akuma still has aerial fireballs; no character in SF2 is designed to not get walled out by them. They travel SO horizontally. And both characters are also just really strong in general.
My friend, i think you mean evil ryu and shin akuma, yes violent ken but you have to be precise and time his combos, evil ryu is like crouch mk or hp into medium or heavy tatsu, dp and stunned, do it again and your opponents finished lol, shin akumas flaming fireball does like 50% so thats crazy because he can kill you with one combo, these 2 characters are the most busted in that version imo
Sagat wasn't busted. He wasn't even top 3 in Vanilla. This sounds like a massive downplay but people really need to stop thinking Sagat was the only strong character in Vanilla. Alot of characters were stupid in Vanilla, the best being Seth, Akuma, Ryu. I'll mention the 2 major ones. Akuma had a Roundhouse loop on the whole cast that led into stun. Had amazing tools all around and did a ton of damage. This wasnt seen much outside of Japan because he had low health and needed decent neutral to play effectively. The most busted character in this game by far was Seth. All his jumping kicks crossed up, had instant dhalsim arms that made him vs zangief a 9-1 match up and terrible for others, great fireball, instant overheads, command grab that led into vortex, massively invincible DP that beat many characters. His EX Dp was 22 frames invul and led into anything after with EX Tanden, and to top it off he had midscreen unblockables that worked on the whole cast. He was in every sense of the word "Broken". Same as Akuma his only real flaw is his low health but that doesn't take away from his power and didn't change any matchups whatsoever. An HONERABLE mention could be that blankas fully charged Ultra could kill Seth doing over 600 dmg. That's it. Sagat while strong was at best just scrubby and easy to play. High health, high stun, high damage. This objectively didn't make him better than Seth or Akuma or even arguably Ryu since they all did similar damage if maximized, but this was sf4s first release and no one knew what they were doing, so naturally Sagat SEEMED stronger than everyone else. Seth and Akumas power were only really realized once super had already came out so they relatively remained overpowered while Sagat was heavily nerfed.
Right from the bad, surprised you didn't go with the initial version of Guile in SF2. The version that was literally broken and had a pattern that would guarantee a hit. Either a throw if you blocked, or a combo if you didn't, that there was no escape from.
For street fighter 2 you should've have used, Guile from world warrior, he had a magical grab that he could loop infinitely, and could make the opponent stuck to him leading to a time out
Hmm... well if he wasn't including Akuma since he was a banned secret character I could see why he wouldn't include a bug. Technically this is correct though. Depending on our criteria and including everything I would have to agree.
Looking back at Sagat from SF4, yeah he was busted, but other characters, I could say they were busted too. For example Fei Long, Ryu (Two consecutive EVOs), Akuma, etc. Fei Long & Akuma can loop Sagat due to his hitbox. But considring the current update, Yun is by far the most broken character in USF4. Great video btw.
@@mks6508 Nah bro, I kinda disagree, Elena is indeed a top tier, what is broken about her is her healing ultra. I would say a character that can go toe-to-toe with Yun is Evil Ryu.
@@JayHaz saying her healing ultra is broken doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of things that are "broken" with that character. I can tell you didn't follow the game or the meta around the end of USF4 because you are severely downplaying how broken elena truly was. You should do some research on her.
@@mks6508 Bro, you can’t just discredit someone out of thin air, I am playing/re-watching every major to this day. So I don’t want to dwell on UA-cam discussions, but if you did a little bit of a research you would find that Gamerbee used healing 20+ time against infiltration in EVO. And that is by itself was the major advantage, she has a weird hetbox, and her match up against dive characters is just bad. On contrary, Yun can suck blood with 95% of his match ups, the only threat for him is Evil Ryu. No wonder Kazunoko won capcom cup 2015.
Feels weird referring to SF2 as if it's one game. Maybe it makes more sense with newer games like SF5, where everyone plays the latest version but it's not the same with SF2. SF2 is not one game and the three versions Hyper Fighting, Champion Edition and Super Turbo still get played. You got to separate them when you talk about them or you don't make sense. For example Claw is low tier in Hyper Fighting and does not have a wall dive loop...Dictator is only top tier in Champion Edition.
Vega in SF2 also had this ability to get close and jump over characters quickly, and then throw them easily when their backs were turned from behind. You could often just spam that attack to win a lot of the time.
It was really confusing to hear "We'll only be going over characters at their strongest versions" then hear everything that got left out. Vanilla SF4 is the same to me as Vanilla SF3 or it's other versions. Cannot understand why that's left out but Vanilla Sf4 isn't Other than that, loved the video. Subbing for sure
@@bigpapasm Yeah while that may be true time has shown these games have a lot lot of depth. Same with omitting the Alpha series. I hope in the future they're not glossed over because those games really go under appreciated
Im suprised Cammy didnt get a mention in sf5, i mean shes bad af now due to all the nerfs but she was broken as way back, won 2 major tournys before they started to nerf her, her pressure game was mad and her pokes and normals were insane.
SF5 Cammy was never as strong as Super SFIV or AE 2012 Cammy... and Cammy vanilla console was also really dumb, Sako and Allioune were going to show how good she was if we never got Super.
Vanilla Akuma was better than Vanilla Sagat. At the end of vanilla they were putting him above Sagat. He just required a lot of execution. His roundhouse loop was a 1 frame link, but was the most consistent against Sagat oddly enough. Vanilla Akuma was also the first vortex character in SFIV. Which was the meta basically the entire lifespan of the game. Had vanilla had gone long Gen and Akuma would have likely surpassed Sagat
If sf4 were to be revisited, vanilla akuma and seth would be more disgusting than sagat. Beyond that, elena is the best character in the current game with too many unreactable moves due to being lazily ported and a heal
This is the first time I've heard someone say that SFV is notorious for bad balance. I was and still am under the assumption that most people consider it one of the more balanced fighting games. I guess if I'm talking ranked, there are a lot of characters I wish had less bs but I hop between different characters a lot and never left silver for any of them so maybe that's why it's harder complain too much about my opponent's characters.
Our fellow author uses what we might call an exaggeration, or more bluntly just straight up lying on the internet. Notion that SFV is "notoriously unbalanced" falls apart both theoretically and empirically. Both in ranked and offline play. Same with his opinion on season 3 Abigail, while thinking that it's the best version of a character in SFV is fine, there's no way "everyone started playing Abigail that season". Number of Abigails in season 3 didn't change, they just placed a bit bit higher than they did in season 2.
I was with you until street fighter 5. Nash upon release was what like 5 of the top 8 at EVO or something stupid like that. Season 1 Nash won like every major tournament. Season 3 Abigail had some absurd metrics, but Nash in Season 1 was unreal.
In the arcade, I have only seen 2 occasions where a person had a perfect round, every round through the game; one on the original Street Figher 2, and one on Street Fighter 2 Championship Edition. SF2 - Ryu (I assume Ken would be the same way) - There was 1 special move that was completely broken. The hurricane kick could redizzy over and over. By doing that move over and over (as well as an initial jump light kick and a flurry of light low kicks for the initial stun), the person quite literally walked through the game w/o a single hit. I'm not sure if later revisions in the arcade fixed this or not, but this 'trick' was definitely repeatable in our local arcade (until it got replaced with CE). The redizzy technique also worked in the original SNES release as I used it to beat the game during a rental. SF2 Championship Edition - Vega - Same reasons as mentioned in the video. The player could reliably perform either a knockdown attack or a grab every time with his air move; with no chance to escape. The air move could even grab Ken and Ryu's shoryuken out of rising mid air. After the player walked through about a half a dozen other live opponents with ease, everyone gave up and watched him walk through the rest of the game w/o getting hit. Watching others in the arcade after that incident, the only char you'd ever see people playing was Vega vs Vega. It got nicknamed in our local arcade as 'Vega Fighter 2'. It was at that point that I stopped playing any of the SF games in the arcade again.
@@Sizdothyx Everything that can be done is a legit strategy. Its a question of id its so broken or not that can't be countered and if it renders the game not worth playing. In this case no because Guile curbed everyone in SF2 for free
Ryu in SF2 was midtier. Never bad, nowhere near broken. Guile could curb stomp him with a razor kick you could charge while he was being knocked down for instant react, and a sonic boom you could follow while Ryu's fireball locked him in-place wit ha faster fire rate to boot.
Just remember sf2 has many versions and each version has a completely different tier list and balance. ST is the most played version and bison is mid to low tier in that game
The highlight of that era was seeing Poongko(Seth) wash Daigo(Yun) at Evo. Top tier player using a top tier to only lose like that...not taking anything away from Daigo, he still the GOAT!
One thing that you missed about vanilla sagat which made him so annoying is his exchanges if he dp and you do a jump in he would still be able to roundhouse and ultra. his ultra basically went into anything he never lost an exchange
As much as I don’t like sf5, it sure as hell didn’t have super busted characters. Strong characters, but busted like any characters in the series, I don’t think so.
Believe it or not characters being "broken" "busted" or "breaking" fighting games is what created combos over the years. Not to mention you had actually learn how to PLAY the game and get better through experience. Lol. Well that's before games got "balanced" into the ground. This was pretty cool to see though. I never liked the idea of calling games/characters "busted" or "broken", but this was very well researched and presented. I'm liking this channel so far. Thanks for posting. At first I thought you were just bellyaching about "the balancing" as a substitute for lack of skill, but your explanations are very solid. Thanks again.
M. Bison, Balrog and Vega have different, original names in Japan. Bison is really the evil dictator Vega, Balrog is M. Bison (as in Mike Bison) and Vega is the assassin Balrog. They were switched around when SF2 was ported to the west to avoid a possible Mike Tyson lawsuit but they remain unchanged in Japan up to this day. To avoid confusion, when western and asian players meet for tournaments they use community-made names for those characters: Dictator, Boxer and Claw
Lmfao it's INSANE how Abigail was literally hammering Urien into the ground in the corner in that last clip like a giant ape in an anime or something lol. That level of corner pressure is off the walls!!
Ryu on wake up - DP, cancel into that CA. If you block you get hit if you don't block you get DP. DP got modified to not be invuln on wakeup for this reason. What's the problem lol
Seth deserves to be broken considering he got completely overlooked in the lore adaptation, even ORO got an arc in Udon, while Seth existed to job to Bison.
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Something u didnt mention about vanilla sagat, far lk used to perfectly space light tiger knee making it safe and that spaced knee would lead into another far lk into another spaced light knee, it gave him sorta crazy pressure
All great assessments, I'd have to swap Abigail for Luke though. There's a a frame breakdown comparison of Luke special moves versus the cast of specialists and they showed him superior across the board. His projectile is still a lot faster than Bison after he absorbs your attack (which used to be the fastest), and Luke doesn't require any interaction. His light normals are deceptively long because they make him advance towards the opponent (the only character with this). He has all the benefits with no drawbacks. He can't quite rob you as easily as G or Urien used to, but he's not far off. His V-Trigger 1 makes approaching him or jumping impossible (so yeah...not allowed to move). He has an anti-command grab V-skill, just to make sure Zangief, R Mikea, or Abigail come up empty and can be completley neutralized. Luke is an absolute monster
Nah, luke is top 1 but its not by THAT much. Speed alone doesnt make a fireball broken, his fireball is a good pressure tool sure but it can be easily jumped in on. Also his vskill 2 doesnt counter command grabs it counters regular grabs (and thats not the reason its busted). But yes, I agree luke is the best in the game, but hes the best in a currently very balanced game
SF5 is known for being THE MOST BALANCED of them all..... And SF2: Akuma is unquestionable the best OP character so how do you even not mention this fact?
SF2 Guile was brutal. He had the most punishment combos in the game, he could re-dizzy you at any point in time in the arcade and he had handcuffs which would tie up the opponent. You had to restart the game in order to get out. If that’s not a broken character I don’t know what it is. Sf3 Chun-Li was easily, the most dangerous character in the series. She could do whatever she wanted to any opponent during the game. SSF4 Abel was an absolute nightmare with two brain dead ultras and he was able to roll around the screen with no ease to throw you around like a rag doll. And that’s considering that Akuma and Guile were monsters in that game as well. SF5 had way too many overpowering characters. My honorable mentions go to season three Guile, season 5 G (master of the robbery mechanic) but the most broken character in street fighter five was season 3 to 5 Rashid. You know what character is bad when you put them in the corner and you’re afraid. Nice list though.
Sagat didn't seem that bad for me maybe because I played Viper and back then not many people knew how to beat her. I mean Sagat dealt too much damage, but I never felt like I couldn't beat him.
Aside from what you've already mentioned. Chun Li in 3s also has the lowest profile while crouching so some combos and standing pokes don't work on her. She also has wall jump to get out of the corner and a stomping move to go with it. Jumping grab. Lightning kick thats safe on block. Ex bird kick thats 1 frame start up and almost impossible to parry or punish. 50/50 after landing a super. The difference between Chun and Yun is Yun requires a lot of skills to be good. On the other hand I would probably lose to Justin Wong with him only pressing one button
SF2 - either WW Guile or ST Akuma. ST Akuma was essentially O. Ryu - already a top tier - with multiple buffs. WW Guile can redizzy you from standing jab for an infinite, has the best FB, and perfect AA. Also since it's WW whoever picks Guile 1st is the only one that can pick him. Oops. SF4 Lol Yun again SFV For all the talk of Season 3 Abigail, it never materialized into tournament wins at the CPT level. His moves have always had hurtboxes, they just didn't have lingering hitboxes until later seasons. They're mostly irrelevant. His moves are all -100 on block. The big changes that nerfed him were changing the Bay Area Sunrise and his CA to no longer provide follow up OKI. Reducing his 2nd command grabs range to the point where M Bison's normal throw has longer range didn't help. The least forgivable character is probably Luke since he's intentionally jacked up to sell people on SF6, or just to move DLC. Eff him. The most broken is whatever prerelease version of FANG had Capcom so afraid of the character, that they endlessly nerfed him. The most broken released character is probably Rashid. Rashid had a year where there were 6 Capcom Cup finalist playing him out of 32 players. Rashid mirrors for days
My pick is street fighter 4 Yang. He's one of the few can perform 23 hits combo and link super and ultra together at full damage. Every time I fight him is a nightmare.
I know this is a sleeper but i think old t hawk in super turbo is stupidly broken , with a command grab that has no whiff animation , a dp , good normals and option select setups plus i think he has a lot of health too .
@@octoman_games no thats not a good idea . A good hawk will always win throws , my best bet is to pick old ken and keep him out in neutral and do tatsu safe jumps on downs .
The Sako tick is neat but there's a lot of stuff like that in ST. Still have to get into position to use Sako tick though. He's just not on ST Akuma level where he had to be banned.
In the original street fighter 2 Dhalsim and Guile were the only 2 contenders. Also, I think you might be WRONG about Abigail because the tradeoff is that he has the lowest overall MOBILITY and MOBILITY is very important. Faster characters could give him a lot of trouble.
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SF3:SI Akuma is the most broken. He had an instant overhead dive kick that couldn't be parried which went into a full damage combo. SF2:ST Akuma was also banned from tournaments.
There were more reasons than just that but yeah, you watched the video with Justin too.
@@shaynehughes6645 I watched that video and also played. Wasn't good until SFA3 and CvS2, but even I understood how broken Akuma was SF3.
Super Turbo Akuma barely even counts as a roster character. They basically flipped the switch on making the boss playable with normal damage scaling and that was it.
Considering you need a cheat code he was never legal in any serious sence.
Its just like playing as master hand or giga boswer in melle. Like you need to essentially do dev commands to do it.
I’m still feeling Balrogs AA into tap into super
That was the day I stopped playing SF for 3 years
Vanilla Sagat has a ring to it.
Like a name for a SF Nerdcore rapper.
I'd say world warrior guile was damn near broken. He only had one character who could reliably fight him in Sim. He could standing jab you into dizzy
WW Guile could just magic throw all day and you'd never get a chance to play, but even without magic throw he was easily the most OP character in the history of sf2 (or sf in general)
Dude he could switch the machine off, throw characters from the other side of the screen and had numerous cheats that were literally ‘broken’ in game.
Original WW Guile is absolutely objectively the most OP of all sf. He was virtually unbeatable in that game even not counting the way I'd consecutively magic throw people to death with zero chance to play
The strongest SFV character was actually Blanka on release because he could easily freeze the game and force a draw any time he wasn't winning.
I know that doesn't *really* count but dealing with people who did that online for a week was the most annoying shit
Do you even CPS1 guile?
The glitch wasn't out when blanka came out, it was like a year later and it doesn't work the way you describe it. The timestop just let Blanka get some pretty strong punishes, and he wasn't even the best character at the time with the glitch.
The time freeze only lasts a few moments before ending, so you won't be able to effectively time people out with it. Blanka came out in feb 2018 but the glitch got discovered in feb 2019. Add to this the fact that you need a super stocked to do the glitch and it was a pretty rare thing that you would be able to use it. Bafael has a video on some big damage punishes it can earn you, but generally having to always save your meter to perform the glitch is gonna make you play worse than just spending meter appropriately. It was a situational thing that could do some funny stuff and did not make Blanka very strong at all.
@@7upjawa Its late but since the time stop didn't use the CA. He could time stop - command grab then loop time stop into command grab
Bro you completely forget Brazilian kens in sfv with their slow ass internet + sfv already dogshit netcode. Ken is easily the most broken lol.
Nah but for real good video man
Brazilian connection go brrrrrrr
Vanilla Sagat never won a major.
He was the most overrated character ever lol
Did major even exist back then?
Also something that op didn't mention was that a lot of characters didn't get an anti fireball ultra in 4. Guile, Rufus, ken, gouken, sim, blanks, bison, ibuki all got anti fireball ultra's when super came out.
@@HitPeace this is true.
@@HitPeace bruv, high level fighting game tournaments with many players didn't only just pop into existence with SFV when it all became more "esports" and less wild
Ofc Sagat never won I mean prime Daigo was competing lol
Surprised SF2 Akuma didn't get a mention SSF2 Turbo to be precise.) As I understand it he was banned in basically every tournament of the era and is STILL banned in many because his air fireballs were something that characters in that game engine simply weren't designed to fight. Once he started hopping and raining fire, you just lost.
We had to learn how to be better than busted characters back in the day. Ppl now complain and refuse to get good
Lol… good video btw
As a person who played SF4 day one all the way to the final version. Yes Sagat was legendary, but Day 1 Yun was broken, still sort of is, everything changed when Yun came to SF4. The finals of every tournament was Yun vs Yun. Prove me wrong
Here's a guy with some sense👌🏿💯. Sagat hit like two trucks but actually had to earn his hits. Yun tho......naa son, he gonna get his damage in a multitude of ways and in the manner of his choosing.
Agree. Vanilla Sagat was dumb but Yun was another level
yea, yun literally broke sf4 literally with OTG combos that could link to ultra. dont even mention his genei jin resets and his ex dash
I remember the days on GameFAQs when everyone was defending pre-nerf Yun when I said he was overpowered. I fought a guy on there who I had a bit of a beef with and while he was losing, he did manage to win when picking Yun. Yun had an insane advantage against most of the cast pre-nerf.
Of course, in the end I was proved right, and his victory turned out to be a hollow one as he lost with any character that wasn’t Yun.
I remember back in the days when I looked at the ladder board, 7/10 are Yun, not sure the top 10 leaderboard still the same.
“Any man strong enough to beat the CRAP out of Sagat, is a man I want found…” -M. Bison
You should've mentioned Sagat in SF2T. He had an insane uppercut, the best fireball in the game, quick normals and just a pain to deal with. Even though Sagat isn't as invincible with his DP like Ryu players use his Tiger Uppercut anyways because they are willing to trade...especially when Sagat uses the uppercut in close range. A simple 3 hit combo would take half your life if you end the combo with a Tiger Uppercut.
I was sure he was going to say Sagat in SF2
@@altide8784 Sagat wasn't playable in SF2
@@tonywong8134 ??????
@@LampcTG That's true. Sagat was only playable in SF2T, SSF2, SF2CE, and SSF2T
@@tonywong8134yeah but this vid was mainly talking about super turbo
You’re SFV takes were spot on! Great video! Those characters were/are BUSTED!
Ultra SF2 is a pretty unpopular game; Violent Ken and Akuma are broken. Violent Ken’s Command Dash leads to 50/50’s guessing games on which side he’ll shoryuken you or other mixup. Akuma still has aerial fireballs; no character in SF2 is designed to not get walled out by them. They travel SO horizontally. And both characters are also just really strong in general.
My friend, i think you mean evil ryu and shin akuma, yes violent ken but you have to be precise and time his combos, evil ryu is like crouch mk or hp into medium or heavy tatsu, dp and stunned, do it again and your opponents finished lol, shin akumas flaming fireball does like 50% so thats crazy because he can kill you with one combo, these 2 characters are the most busted in that version imo
All Kinds Under Many Arenas could be considered cheap, or broken...however, one continues to stand the test of time...
Sagat wasn't busted. He wasn't even top 3 in Vanilla. This sounds like a massive downplay but people really need to stop thinking Sagat was the only strong character in Vanilla. Alot of characters were stupid in Vanilla, the best being Seth, Akuma, Ryu.
I'll mention the 2 major ones.
Akuma had a Roundhouse loop on the whole cast that led into stun. Had amazing tools all around and did a ton of damage. This wasnt seen much outside of Japan because he had low health and needed decent neutral to play effectively.
The most busted character in this game by far was Seth. All his jumping kicks crossed up, had instant dhalsim arms that made him vs zangief a 9-1 match up and terrible for others, great fireball, instant overheads, command grab that led into vortex, massively invincible DP that beat many characters. His EX Dp was 22 frames invul and led into anything after with EX Tanden, and to top it off he had midscreen unblockables that worked on the whole cast.
He was in every sense of the word "Broken". Same as Akuma his only real flaw is his low health but that doesn't take away from his power and didn't change any matchups whatsoever.
An HONERABLE mention could be that blankas fully charged Ultra could kill Seth doing over 600 dmg. That's it.
Sagat while strong was at best just scrubby and easy to play. High health, high stun, high damage. This objectively didn't make him better than Seth or Akuma or even arguably Ryu since they all did similar damage if maximized, but this was sf4s first release and no one knew what they were doing, so naturally Sagat SEEMED stronger than everyone else.
Seth and Akumas power were only really realized once super had already came out so they relatively remained overpowered while Sagat was heavily nerfed.
Right from the bad, surprised you didn't go with the initial version of Guile in SF2. The version that was literally broken and had a pattern that would guarantee a hit. Either a throw if you blocked, or a combo if you didn't, that there was no escape from.
Easy to beat.
precisely.. vega is super easy to defend against. Bison same.. Guile sf2 was insanely unbalanced
@@fakhro1 maybe for a novice such as yourself yes
SF2 CE Dictator had that infinite blockstring
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For street fighter 2 you should've have used, Guile from world warrior, he had a magical grab that he could loop infinitely, and could make the opponent stuck to him leading to a time out
Colloquially called “handcuffs”. Classic glitch
WW Guile was pretty broken and sat in god tier, but I raise you a CE Bison with his corner stun lock that was very easy to set up.
Hmm... well if he wasn't including Akuma since he was a banned secret character I could see why he wouldn't include a bug. Technically this is correct though. Depending on our criteria and including everything I would have to agree.
Luke's visual design is HIDEOUS. PLEASE, Strawberry Blonde Jesus, fix it
Looking back at Sagat from SF4, yeah he was busted, but other characters, I could say they were busted too. For example Fei Long, Ryu (Two consecutive EVOs), Akuma, etc. Fei Long & Akuma can loop Sagat due to his hitbox. But considring the current update, Yun is by far the most broken character in USF4. Great video btw.
Elena is more broken than Yun don't know why the uploader of this video neglected to even mention that character in sf4 lol.
@@mks6508 Nah bro, I kinda disagree, Elena is indeed a top tier, what is broken about her is her healing ultra. I would say a character that can go toe-to-toe with Yun is Evil Ryu.
@@JayHaz saying her healing ultra is broken doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of things that are "broken" with that character. I can tell you didn't follow the game or the meta around the end of USF4 because you are severely downplaying how broken elena truly was. You should do some research on her.
@@mks6508 Bro, you can’t just discredit someone out of thin air, I am playing/re-watching every major to this day. So I don’t want to dwell on UA-cam discussions, but if you did a little bit of a research you would find that Gamerbee used healing 20+ time against infiltration in EVO. And that is by itself was the major advantage, she has a weird hetbox, and her match up against dive characters is just bad. On contrary, Yun can suck blood with 95% of his match ups, the only threat for him is Evil Ryu. No wonder Kazunoko won capcom cup 2015.
@@JayHaz nah man go watch bafaels videos on elena
Feels weird referring to SF2 as if it's one game. Maybe it makes more sense with newer games like SF5, where everyone plays the latest version but it's not the same with SF2. SF2 is not one game and the three versions Hyper Fighting, Champion Edition and Super Turbo still get played. You got to separate them when you talk about them or you don't make sense. For example Claw is low tier in Hyper Fighting and does not have a wall dive loop...Dictator is only top tier in Champion Edition.
I had to drop a dislike and stop the video for this exact reason.
Nothing says footsies like superturbo ryu pushing you back full screen on block.
Vega in SF2 also had this ability to get close and jump over characters quickly, and then throw them easily when their backs were turned from behind. You could often just spam that attack to win a lot of the time.
It was really confusing to hear "We'll only be going over characters at their strongest versions" then hear everything that got left out. Vanilla SF4 is the same to me as Vanilla SF3 or it's other versions. Cannot understand why that's left out but Vanilla Sf4 isn't
Other than that, loved the video. Subbing for sure
it's probably because vanilla sf3 was never popular competitively
@@bigpapasm Yeah while that may be true time has shown these games have a lot lot of depth. Same with omitting the Alpha series. I hope in the future they're not glossed over because those games really go under appreciated
But…why skip the Alpha series? Lol
It's his video he can skip it, if he wants
@@the-madvillain2636 thanks?
Honestly I'm just not knowledgable enough on the series. I haven't really played it at all so I'm not sure I can give out valid info
@@UrienOld Yea, that makes sense! I hope to see you make a vid on the Alphas one day and give the series a shot!
Best series btw
I'm mad I haven't found this channel sooner. Dope content Fam. SF forever!
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Im suprised Cammy didnt get a mention in sf5, i mean shes bad af now due to all the nerfs but she was broken as way back, won 2 major tournys before they started to nerf her, her pressure game was mad and her pokes and normals were insane.
And I guarantee that you are just fine with how damn busted Laura is right now and has been for the longest time..
SF5 Cammy was never as strong as Super SFIV or AE 2012 Cammy... and Cammy vanilla console was also really dumb, Sako and Allioune were going to show how good she was if we never got Super.
Great video! Just wanted it known SF4 AE Yun was an absolute menace too!
3:23 did this guy just call Twelve, eleven? 😂
Vanilla Akuma was better than Vanilla Sagat. At the end of vanilla they were putting him above Sagat. He just required a lot of execution. His roundhouse loop was a 1 frame link, but was the most consistent against Sagat oddly enough. Vanilla Akuma was also the first vortex character in SFIV. Which was the meta basically the entire lifespan of the game. Had vanilla had gone long Gen and Akuma would have likely surpassed Sagat
Maybe, but both Akuma and especially Gen were quite execution heavy. Sagat was an easier character to use and was a monster
Love your video, this my first time seeing your channel and it looks professional
Hey man. I would keep going with the videos. You've been blessed by the algorithm.
I still remember Guile from 1991, he was the menace of the original 8 SF2 characters and even sported a legendary game glitch.
If sf4 were to be revisited, vanilla akuma and seth would be more disgusting than sagat.
Beyond that, elena is the best character in the current game with too many unreactable moves due to being lazily ported and a heal
This is the first time I've heard someone say that SFV is notorious for bad balance. I was and still am under the assumption that most people consider it one of the more balanced fighting games. I guess if I'm talking ranked, there are a lot of characters I wish had less bs but I hop between different characters a lot and never left silver for any of them so maybe that's why it's harder complain too much about my opponent's characters.
Our fellow author uses what we might call an exaggeration, or more bluntly just straight up lying on the internet. Notion that SFV is "notoriously unbalanced" falls apart both theoretically and empirically. Both in ranked and offline play. Same with his opinion on season 3 Abigail, while thinking that it's the best version of a character in SFV is fine, there's no way "everyone started playing Abigail that season". Number of Abigails in season 3 didn't change, they just placed a bit bit higher than they did in season 2.
I heard someone say that Abigail is just Hugo for racist people and now I can't unsee it
I was with you until street fighter 5. Nash upon release was what like 5 of the top 8 at EVO or something stupid like that. Season 1 Nash won like every major tournament. Season 3 Abigail had some absurd metrics, but Nash in Season 1 was unreal.
love that part showing how far claw's normals can hit, using widescreen stretched footage...
I had that exact thought about Vega as a kid, great video
In the arcade, I have only seen 2 occasions where a person had a perfect round, every round through the game; one on the original Street Figher 2, and one on Street Fighter 2 Championship Edition.
SF2 - Ryu (I assume Ken would be the same way) - There was 1 special move that was completely broken. The hurricane kick could redizzy over and over. By doing that move over and over (as well as an initial jump light kick and a flurry of light low kicks for the initial stun), the person quite literally walked through the game w/o a single hit. I'm not sure if later revisions in the arcade fixed this or not, but this 'trick' was definitely repeatable in our local arcade (until it got replaced with CE). The redizzy technique also worked in the original SNES release as I used it to beat the game during a rental.
SF2 Championship Edition - Vega - Same reasons as mentioned in the video. The player could reliably perform either a knockdown attack or a grab every time with his air move; with no chance to escape. The air move could even grab Ken and Ryu's shoryuken out of rising mid air. After the player walked through about a half a dozen other live opponents with ease, everyone gave up and watched him walk through the rest of the game w/o getting hit. Watching others in the arcade after that incident, the only char you'd ever see people playing was Vega vs Vega. It got nicknamed in our local arcade as 'Vega Fighter 2'. It was at that point that I stopped playing any of the SF games in the arcade again.
If you are talking about WW ryu, his tatsu is totally punishable, in fact is the worst version of that move.
@@Kamikazeray and Guile beat everyone for free
Wait: I thought the Tatsumaki spam was a legit strategy. Was it really cheese?
@@Sizdothyx Everything that can be done is a legit strategy. Its a question of id its so broken or not that can't be countered and if it renders the game not worth playing. In this case no because Guile curbed everyone in SF2 for free
Ryu in SF2 was midtier. Never bad, nowhere near broken. Guile could curb stomp him with a razor kick you could charge while he was being knocked down for instant react, and a sonic boom you could follow while Ryu's fireball locked him in-place wit ha faster fire rate to boot.
Just remember sf2 has many versions and each version has a completely different tier list and balance. ST is the most played version and bison is mid to low tier in that game
Yea. I always felt like Vega was the hardest in Super Street Fighter not M.Bison.
my man called twelve, eleven. Played yoo much SFV
LMAO stupid mistake
Thank you for the review 😊😊
When was bison ever broken in ST...? And you bring up Vega, but also not mention O. Sagat? That whole first section just confuses me
Yeah I don’t know why dictator was brought up. He went from an older version of sf2 psycho crusher, then talks about st. Wtf
Who here remembers SF4:AE Yun when it was first released? Those days before he got nerfed.
The highlight of that era was seeing Poongko(Seth) wash Daigo(Yun) at Evo. Top tier player using a top tier to only lose like that...not taking anything away from Daigo, he still the GOAT!
One thing that you missed about vanilla sagat which made him so annoying is his exchanges if he dp and you do a jump in he would still be able to roundhouse and ultra. his ultra basically went into anything he never lost an exchange
Abigail's super can grab you from your next door neighbor's flatscreen TV.
Nice video man!👍
Sagats standing HK in SF4 must be one of the most broken standard buttons in fighting game history. It was so damn opressive.
Duck + Sweep = Problem solved.
I still find it crazy that ltg said for all of sfv lifespan that Urien wasn't top tier
LTG is a garbage player. He'd lose with SFIV vanilla Sagat.
Great Video; thanks!
Nice video. Do another about Mortal Kombat
Sagat being leagues above everyone else just feels so in character XD
That Abigail guy is animated terribly too. Straight up looks like Clay Fighter.
Completly forgot Abigail , god what an op character .
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Great video!
Bro I swear you deserve more subs
As much as I don’t like sf5, it sure as hell didn’t have super busted characters. Strong characters, but busted like any characters in the series, I don’t think so.
Cool video. I think I’d pick AE Yun over Vanilla Sagat, but he was definitely the first major terror in SF4 and people never forgot.
“We’ll talk about every game in the series, starting with Street Fighter II” I mean, it’s not wrong, but I lol’d
Believe it or not characters being "broken" "busted" or "breaking" fighting games is what created combos over the years. Not to mention you had actually learn how to PLAY the game and get better through experience. Lol. Well that's before games got "balanced" into the ground. This was pretty cool to see though. I never liked the idea of calling games/characters "busted" or "broken", but this was very well researched and presented. I'm liking this channel so far. Thanks for posting. At first I thought you were just bellyaching about "the balancing" as a substitute for lack of skill, but your explanations are very solid. Thanks again.
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There is no Eleven in 3rd Strike. 😕
Also, as a Remy player, I love fighting against Chun.
I've never heard anybody refer to Vega as "Claw". Not even when the game first came out.
M. Bison, Balrog and Vega have different, original names in Japan. Bison is really the evil dictator Vega, Balrog is M. Bison (as in Mike Bison) and Vega is the assassin Balrog. They were switched around when SF2 was ported to the west to avoid a possible Mike Tyson lawsuit but they remain unchanged in Japan up to this day.
To avoid confusion, when western and asian players meet for tournaments they use community-made names for those characters: Dictator, Boxer and Claw
I think boss characters ought to be excluded.
I have to say,...i totally forgot what a nightmare was Abigail on release
Lmfao it's INSANE how Abigail was literally hammering Urien into the ground in the corner in that last clip like a giant ape in an anime or something lol. That level of corner pressure is off the walls!!
Seaon 1 Ryu was fucked especially with that CA that broke through your guard
Ryu on wake up - DP, cancel into that CA. If you block you get hit if you don't block you get DP. DP got modified to not be invuln on wakeup for this reason. What's the problem lol
Seth deserves to be broken considering he got completely overlooked in the lore adaptation, even ORO got an arc in Udon, while Seth existed to job to Bison.
I remember playing as Vega in my childhood and if I grabbed you once, it was over
If all this didn't make him OP enough, Bob Sagat also had the best aristocrats joke...
Good luck with your channel!
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Not only does Psycho Crusher do a lot of chip, it actually does more chip damage on block than damage when it hits lmao.
Something u didnt mention about vanilla sagat, far lk used to perfectly space light tiger knee making it safe and that spaced knee would lead into another far lk into another spaced light knee, it gave him sorta crazy pressure
All great assessments, I'd have to swap Abigail for Luke though. There's a a frame breakdown comparison of Luke special moves versus the cast of specialists and they showed him superior across the board. His projectile is still a lot faster than Bison after he absorbs your attack (which used to be the fastest), and Luke doesn't require any interaction. His light normals are deceptively long because they make him advance towards the opponent (the only character with this). He has all the benefits with no drawbacks. He can't quite rob you as easily as G or Urien used to, but he's not far off. His V-Trigger 1 makes approaching him or jumping impossible (so yeah...not allowed to move). He has an anti-command grab V-skill, just to make sure Zangief, R Mikea, or Abigail come up empty and can be completley neutralized. Luke is an absolute monster
Nah, luke is top 1 but its not by THAT much. Speed alone doesnt make a fireball broken, his fireball is a good pressure tool sure but it can be easily jumped in on. Also his vskill 2 doesnt counter command grabs it counters regular grabs (and thats not the reason its busted).
But yes, I agree luke is the best in the game, but hes the best in a currently very balanced game
SF5 is known for being THE MOST BALANCED of them all..... And SF2: Akuma is unquestionable the best OP character so how do you even not mention this fact?
Picking World Warrior Guile stopped your opponent from picking guile. So you couldn't even mirror. :)
Sf5 Akuma air fireballs were legit pulled from the time when Akuma was a secret unplayable boss. I think it was in Sf2.
SF2 Guile was brutal. He had the most punishment combos in the game, he could re-dizzy you at any point in time in the arcade and he had handcuffs which would tie up the opponent. You had to restart the game in order to get out. If that’s not a broken character I don’t know what it is.
Sf3 Chun-Li was easily, the most dangerous character in the series. She could do whatever she wanted to any opponent during the game.
SSF4 Abel was an absolute nightmare with two brain dead ultras and he was able to roll around the screen with no ease to throw you around like a rag doll. And that’s considering that Akuma and Guile were monsters in that game as well.
SF5 had way too many overpowering characters. My honorable mentions go to season three Guile, season 5 G (master of the robbery mechanic) but the most broken character in street fighter five was season 3 to 5 Rashid. You know what character is bad when you put them in the corner and you’re afraid. Nice list though.
Great video
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Tokido's vortex setup for Akuma made him nearly unstoppable in SF4 until Ultra patch came out
Nahh my man in the thumbnail is off brand Kratos ong 💀
Sagat didn't seem that bad for me maybe because I played Viper and back then not many people knew how to beat her. I mean Sagat dealt too much damage, but I never felt like I couldn't beat him.
Aside from what you've already mentioned. Chun Li in 3s also has the lowest profile while crouching so some combos and standing pokes don't work on her. She also has wall jump to get out of the corner and a stomping move to go with it. Jumping grab. Lightning kick thats safe on block. Ex bird kick thats 1 frame start up and almost impossible to parry or punish. 50/50 after landing a super. The difference between Chun and Yun is Yun requires a lot of skills to be good. On the other hand I would probably lose to Justin Wong with him only pressing one button
sagat and abigail being most op chars is a brainlet take.
The real Sagat is still monster fast and fit at 65 :) what a legend
SF2 - either WW Guile or ST Akuma. ST Akuma was essentially O. Ryu - already a top tier - with multiple buffs.
WW Guile can redizzy you from standing jab for an infinite, has the best FB, and perfect AA. Also since it's WW whoever picks Guile 1st is the only one that can pick him. Oops.
SF4 Lol Yun again
SFV For all the talk of Season 3 Abigail, it never materialized into tournament wins at the CPT level. His moves have always had hurtboxes, they just didn't have lingering hitboxes until later seasons. They're mostly irrelevant. His moves are all -100 on block. The big changes that nerfed him were changing the Bay Area Sunrise and his CA to no longer provide follow up OKI. Reducing his 2nd command grabs range to the point where M Bison's normal throw has longer range didn't help.
The least forgivable character is probably Luke since he's intentionally jacked up to sell people on SF6, or just to move DLC. Eff him.
The most broken is whatever prerelease version of FANG had Capcom so afraid of the character, that they endlessly nerfed him.
The most broken released character is probably Rashid. Rashid had a year where there were 6 Capcom Cup finalist playing him out of 32 players. Rashid mirrors for days
I remember I caught somebody with the claw super no one knew what it was
My pick is street fighter 4 Yang. He's one of the few can perform 23 hits combo and link super and ultra together at full damage. Every time I fight him is a nightmare.
After I beat Turbo with all characters at max speed back in the 90's I knew I could'nt do better and gave up on fighting games.
I know this is a sleeper but i think old t hawk in super turbo is stupidly broken , with a command grab that has no whiff animation , a dp , good normals and option select setups plus i think he has a lot of health too .
THAwk is a cheap pain in the ass in Super Turbo. I learned tho to just throw him.
@@octoman_games no thats not a good idea . A good hawk will always win throws , my best bet is to pick old ken and keep him out in neutral and do tatsu safe jumps on downs .
The Sako tick is neat but there's a lot of stuff like that in ST. Still have to get into position to use Sako tick though. He's just not on ST Akuma level where he had to be banned.
@@shaunmcisaac782 yeah , damdai proved that both were broken af .
I don't play this game, but man this was such a good video
SF2 Akuma and SF3 Gill are still some of the most OP characters in not only Street Fighter, but all fighting games until this day.
Not a big sf fan but I have played most of the games and I can surely agree with this list. Also you really know your sf as well.
In the original street fighter 2 Dhalsim and Guile were the only 2 contenders.
Also, I think you might be WRONG about Abigail because the tradeoff is that he has the lowest overall MOBILITY and MOBILITY is very important. Faster characters could give him a lot of trouble.
I should probably send this to friends whenever they say "this fighting game is bullshit. Unlike street fighter in the old days"
No mention of Sagat or Akuma for SF2!?