Neither FLP nor USCCA will cover you if you use your firearm in a Gun Free/No Weapons Allowed area. That's why I stopped my FLP coverage. 99% of the time those are the places where you'll need your gun more than out in the general public.
Pay to retain a self defense/criminal defense specific attorney or law firm that is licensed in your state... I can't reccomend the services like "Attorneys on Retainer" or similar self defense focused groups/organizations like John also promotes as I haven't done enough research... But the classic big name "CCW Insurance" has NOT provided resources for too many well known cases vs. ever actually helping people in publicly known cases for me to EVER pay them ANY money! They are basically only going to cover your charges for a perfectly clean shoot that would rarely bring serious charges in most circumstances to begin with... Basically unless you just have an evil anti gun/anti gun DA/local judges then that Insurance is wasted money. Find a REAL expert self defense/ criminal defense attorney if you want to proactively spend money on legal defense, just like they mentioned in the video it's worth the $500 to actually meet who may be keeping you out of prison...
I was an unarmed security guard at a software company for a while. They switched me to a bank and said absolutely NO weapons and no body armor. I had my Beretta tomcat in my pocket every day. Then I worked retail with a no weapons policy. Same thing. Now, I work in a manufacturing facility behind razor wire with our own armed guards. I still have something. As far as bars and clubs, I don't go there.
@@Captain-Electro good for you man. This is what I tell people even family members, we were at a playground the other day and I carry concealed everywhere unless it's a government building or court or something where I have to go through metal detector or whatever. But family member that knows I carry was saying I shouldn't be there while carrying concealed. I quickly changed her mind when I reminded her, all of us adults and children at the playground are all just sitting ducks for a deranged individual and the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Good on you for carrying and places that have this BS gun policy. They can be victims I too refuse to be
" The CONSTITUTION of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their RIGHT and DUTY to be at All Times Armed. " ~ Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Catwright, June 5th 1824
" If circumstances should at any time obligate the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of ARMS who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist. " ~ Alexander Hamilton Federalist No.28 January 10th 1788
The post office is the one that irritates me. No security, no metal detectors... But you're not allowed to protect yourself. It's not even a completely federal building, it's partly private.
@@noah.s95. I would wait. In the opinion the judge said this: “The United States indicted Emmanuel Ayala, a postal worker, for possessing a firearm in a Federal facility in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 930(a). Ayala argues that statute is unconstitutional as applied to him because the historical record does not support a law banning firearms in post offices.” Notice the words “as applied to him.” That means this decision only applies to him. No national order or injunction was issued.
@@noah.s95that was an “as applied” ruling, without consideration for the legality of bans in the post office. The no post office law is alive and well.
"It's not even a completely federal building, it's partly private." It is 100% a Federal Facility. It is NOT partly private. It is an extension of the Executive Office (President).
I am from NYC & I told my wife I’d leave when the risk of a mandatory prison sentence was less than the risk of not having a firearm when I need it. I left in 2021. In my last year, I was carrying (allegedly) dirty. If you act normal & don’t act like an idiot, nobody will ever know unless you need it. If you truly have to defend your life, the prospect of prosecution is the lesser of the evils.
"If you act normal & don’t act like an idiot, nobody will ever know unless you need it. Not necessarily true. There are numerous things that could happen. A simple traffic stop could change your life.
@@papimaximus95 When I'm in my car, I carry legally with the gun unloaded and in a locked case. I believe that behind the wheel is the most likely place that I'd get into trouble for illegally carry. Simple solution
@@papimaximus95before I turned 21 last month, I was allegedly (lol) carrying for 6 months “illegally”. Got pulled over twice and never got searched because they need probable cause. Don’t smoke weed, don’t have alcohol in the vehicle, don’t have the gun or magazines visible and you’re good. Can’t search you unless you do something dumb like the OP said
Yeah, be cool and responsible but "stop and frisk" in the 90's in certain neighborhoods ... were not enough. Bloomberg made it "mandatory" superseding the Sullivan act. Which was a year in the joint and not mandatory
You brought up the case in Indiana. Entering private property (mall) in Indiana they can display the sign. However according to Indiana State law the signs are not criminally enforceable. They can ask you leave. They can ask you not to enter. However concealed is concealed.
A few years ago a mom with a CCP took a wrong turn in Philly ended up in Jersey where she was stopped and arrested for the gun plus hollow point ammo. She was eventually pardoned by the governor.
I had to go to Philly once for work and I took my gun as my state has reciprocity with PA. My destination was right across the river from Jersey and if I missed my exit I could have easily ended up in Jersey. I was terrified I was going to miss my exit and end up in Jersey and end up like some of the horror stories I’ve heard of innocent people spending 5 yrs in jail for accidentally carrying in Jersey. I had thought about it a lot and was fully prepared if I accidentally missed the exit and found myself crossing the bridge to stop before I crossed over, ditch the rental, and walk back to the Philly side. That sounded crazy to me, but at least I’m certain I’m not going to jail because some cop pulls me over while I’m trying to get turned around and back across the bridge.
@my2cents945 yup. PA resident myself. I have a FFL if ya ever want anything. I can sell you whatever ya want. Other state resident I have to go through another FFL for pistols and handguns.
In FL, those signs carry no force of law. You can ignore them unless it is one of a handful of places specifically mentioned in the FL statutes as a no-go. Church, mall, movie theater, various stores - good to go, sign or not. But if they find out you have one and ask you to leave, then you must or you will be breaking the law. Don't much trust metal detectors. Have twice in my life accidentally carried a spare mag through security and metal detectors and it was not detected.
In AZ, the sign must be a very specific font and size and have the ARS code at the bottom in order to carry any legal weight. Otherwise it's just a request by the property owner. Like you said, they can ask you to leave or be trespassed and that's it. Schools and gov't buildings are still no-go zones
State statute not posted along with sign? Consider it a suggestion. Used to carry a gun every day in a secret compartment in my backpack when going to college. We’d do active shooter drills and all be huddled in the corner of the room, all while I’m holding a backpack with something I could easily use to take care of the issue, rather than cower. No way I could have taken classes and sat there defenseless like a fish in a barrel.
You have to be aware of the state statutes where that college is. I fully get the sentiment about I would rather have and not need it vs need it and not have it mentality. Just trying to point out how some states have specifically outlawed carrying on college campuses, and some city/state AG’s will want to prosecute you even if you did do a good thing. Stupid laws and stupid people.
@@bigk4755 I’m aware of the statutes. Unless things have changed in my state, it’s required that the statute code is posted along with the “no guns/weapons allowed” sign and that it’s a certain size. My tech school just had a sticker in the corner of each entry door and it wasn’t big enough and didn’t have the statute on it. Either way though, even if they did, I’d still roll the dice; I’d rather take my chances with the AG than be six feet under. Given how common active shooters on campus tend to be in modern society, I needed the peace of mind. Obviously, to each their own. I made sure to keep my backpack on me at all times or within eyesight and would always take it to the bathroom with me if I had to go. Never had an issue.
Then there is the situation of someone passing out and friends taking the person to a hospital that has a, “No Weapons” sign, and the person is groggy as he goes into the ER. Even an ambulance crew may miss a weapon.
Carrying Firearms onto Prohibited Areas: 1st offense is a Class B misdemeanor (punishable up to 180 days in jail) 2nd offense is a Class A misdemeanor (punishable up to 364 days in jail) and up to a 6 month CCL suspension. 3rd offense is a Class A misdemeanor and results in permanent revocation of the CCL.
NJ peeps, it would be charged as a felony so unless your own life is at risk, don't intervene on behalf of others who decided not to carry. General rule - there is no misdemeanor gun charge in NJ, they are basically all felony level charges. Hate to say it, but the Daniel Penny rule applies in NJ.
@@MN-hv5xv Daniel Penny Rule applies to the use of self defense in general, not the method used. Can't believe I even had to point this out to someone ..
There are always people who will do what they want, regardless of what legal code says.... im not saying it's sane, sober, moral, or prudent, but there are people who will
" If circumstances should at any time obligate the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of ARMS who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist. " ~Alexander Hamilton Federalist No.28 January 10th 1788
In NM it's only a felony if it's a licensed liquor establishment (bar or restaurant that dispenses liquor, not just beer and wine). Passing a no gun sign in any other private property situation is a simple trespass. I haven't heard of any prosecutions for either situation but I have heard of CCW revocations.
i recently told somebody to leave my bar because i could see his night sights in his armpit thru his jacket that had been unzipped a bit..he was wearing a shoulder holster..he tried to argue with me that i didnt see what i clearly saw..booze and guns dont mix
What about the no gun signs at a hospital and doctor offices? I never hear them talked about. I think some of them could be considered state or federal grounds right?
Most hospitals are privately owned and governed by the laws of private property of the state you're in. Some states have specific laws to hospitals, so check your state laws.
I carry everywhere I go as long as it's not federally prohibited or there's not a metal detector. I have had to use it before and I didn't need a lawyer. but I live in Florida.
In Commiefornia, most DAs practice malicious prosecution, and will prosecute you for a felony when the law only allows a misdemeanor in an attempt to get you to plead to the misdemeanor!
I WOULD tell someone to “break the law”. Laws are just societal suggestions. We all know the mala in se crimes (murder, rape, robbery etc) are wrong. I’m talking about mala prohibitum (wrongs prohibited by law). Use your head. Make moral decisions. Ignore politicians.
You have to stop looking at things from a self-centered perspective. In many cases we are talking about someone else's PRIVATE property - Bar, restaurant, church, mall, etc. How is it ok to violate the right of another citizen to control their property?
@@3nertia "Just because capitalism has everything being "owned by private owners for profit" doesn't mean it's not a public place if it's function is to serve the public ..." You are incorrect. There is private property that is defined as a "public accommodation". That is they are held open to the public and therefore can not discriminate on the normal protected list plus disability protection. Other than that, those places are 100% private.
@@UraniumEagle listen bud, there's prohibited places and then there's federally prohibited places. Prohibited places don't mean Jack unless they're federally prohibited. So read up on that
I carry when dancing (usually in a bar/restaurant) 4-5 nights each week. The owners of my most frequent dance venue know. There’s a no guns / knives sticker on a counter that is usually covered up, but no “real” sign anywhere. That said, tonight is a show with wands and detectors on the way in, so I’ll be locking my tools up for the evening. :(
The lawfare in New York has no one feeling free to help a burning woman on the subway. We need a government that strongly supports we the people's Constitutional duty to be ready at all times to use personal weapons to be law enforcement, homeland security and national defense. Article I Section 8 Clause 15 "To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions". All gun control interferes with that.
" The CONSTITUTION of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their RIGHT and DUTY to be at All Times Armed. " ~Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Catwright, June 5th 1824
John, can you ask him if he's heard of a case where the person got convicted in a store, based on the sign being counted as reasonable notice? How would that misdemeanor effect your permit renewal?
It's an easy answer if you get into a life or death situation - yeah the potential prosecution for carrying dirty is irrelevant. But what's more problematic is getting caught carrying in an impermissible environment when there is no extenuating life or death scenario. That's a real risk you have to consider every time you choose to carry where it's not allowed. Make sure your concealment is solid, and don't walk into places with metal detectors.
3:58 no, it’s not. It’s your coordination. If judgement was the first thing to go out the windows when you’re drinking sobriety tests would be a lot different. No less entertaining, but different. Anyway, I shouldn’t have to say that coordination and physical performance, more broadly, is sort of important in self defense. Honestly, I don’t know if judgement, per se, ever goes out the window. Impulse control, for sure. Thought and perception slow and physical coordination and speed go down a lot, but I would argue that judgement may be slowed by the same rate as perception, but it doesn’t leave you. If you ‘lose judgement’ when you’re drunk, you never had it when sober.
I WISH I was able to have this concern. Here in Canada, we're so hamstrung by our federal government in defending ourselves in any way--including with words--that THAT is the only reason I would consider moving to the U.S. But I won't because, unfortunately, the U.S. has more murders per capita than any other country. But your health care . . . now, THAT'S something to move there for!😆
Metal detectors …. I know someone that attended a conference at a convention center in a major city… He carried 4 night and 3 days of classes, going through the metal detectors, his concealed carry was never detected…. His wife would get stopped and searched because of Bobby pins in her hair… go figure… and the reason he carried was the 6 block walk from the hotel to the convention center…. He used the smart carry holster.
I read about a guy sneaking his carry into a Major League Baseball game. He had a small .380 tucked in and a big western belt buckle. The detector went off and he lifted his shirt to show the big buckle and was waved on through.
What if you're going to pick up food from a restaurant that happens to have a bar? I feel like that's a grey area. It's mainly a restaurant and they have no sign
Such a circumstance would ipso facto demonstrate that the order was unlawful. I would see about suing the sign poster as part of a conpiracy to disarm me for the purpose of doing me harm.
Here in Texas, carrying in any business that derives 51% of its income through selling alcohol for consuming on premises is a 3rd degree felony punishable by 2-10 years in prison!
Easy, dont go to those places. Also, with a ltc you have some forgiveness in that you need to leave the esablishment immediately if you did not see the 51% sign.
So I've got US law shield membership. They will only represent me If I am legally carrying. So if I'm behind a no gun sign when I defend myself (North Carolina) they won't represent me. Makes me wonder if it us even worth having a membership.
This is a question I have always wanted to ask but never had a chance to, and I agree with your answer (I'm surprised at your honesty). In some blue states like NY, CA and IL, gun owners almost always have to make this kind of choice, not only in bars, but also in other gun-free zones, which means "everywhere." People must choose between following the law to potentially get killed and breaking the law to save lives. If you insist on being a "law-abiding citizen" wherever you go, you might as well not carry at all, which is the whole point of those laws, i.e., to deprive citizens of the right to keep and bear arms for self-protection
You hit it on the head, I live here in NY, and thinking about getting the carry. But then I say to myself what's the since? The majority of the city is a gun free zone. Yet criminals carry every place, and out of jail in a short period. But let me the law abiding citizen for example who has a NY carry they will try to put me under the jail if I get into a safe zone!.
I think the point of worrying about a charge for you illegally carrying is that the punishments vary and federally speaking a Class A mis. would prohibit you from purchasing a firearm on top of legal fees to defend yourself AND actually the punishing fine. Maybe you can't afford all of that?
I've carried past metal detectors several times while carrying at NBA and NFL games. Not breaking any laws in my state, just their rules. This was pre-2020, and handheld wands, likely wouldn't get past a walk through unit. Still, security at these events is mostly theatre.
I dont think the misdemeanor is the concern, I think the worry is it somehow becoming a felony one way or another especially in strict states, but I dont really know if thats a valid concern. Any thoughts?
Wouldn’t the other side of the "it doesn't matter" argument be Bernard Getz or Harold Fish? You may be in the right for the shooting, but a prosecutor may find some other avenue to charge you and get you some jail time.
The rule I live with is this. Pay attention because it's worth the price. I've been on this channel and that rule saved my life. Lost my job though but another job was better. Thanks John.# Prepared defender looses his job.
Thanks for sharing. I can’t afford $500 per hour so this is fantastic. Much of it is just common sense in my opinion, but, common sense seems to be the exception in this day and age. Peace and prosperity to both of you guys. FYI are you trying to ruin the reputation of lawyers by being a responsible human? ✌🏼👍🏼🙏🏼
Anything that carrys a possible sentence of one year or more is considered a felony when it comes to your gun rights. Just because it's not called a felony doesn't mean you won't get treated like a felon.
Had a weapon on me since Dec of 1979...sometimes as a cop, deputy, but mostly just because. Hold two different state's licenses. First, I don't frequent places with murder signs and long past the elementary school-age phenomenon. I don't fly ("Say, let's go to California"), go to concerts (you can see them on YT the next day) or the Post Office (Pack n' Mail is just fine). In my state, going to the bank, wine shed for take-aways, bars without a sign, state university property, police stations, grocery stores and Wally-World are not off limits. I drink at home. I tend to stay away from places that aren't 2A friendly. At 69, my business can go elsewhere. Life is too short, especially when one is on my end... OBTW, I have belonged to USCCA for years now. Researched every one of the 'oh, you ain't gonna believe this about USCCA' rumours and found them all to be false, or the poor sod to be blatantly in the wrong, just flat out wrong. Just false. Do your homework as there's a bunch of good CYA companies out there.
Is there a way he can be a part time host on your main channel? Or even starting a podcast with this man? I’d pay to see that! (Oh yea, everyone join the active self protection app!)
Has anyone ever been convicted of prohibited use of weapons.. (Carrying while drunk) even though no alcohol breath test or blood test was administered.. Gun wasn't used in any way..
I was happy to hear Tim say who cares if you’re carrying where you’re not supposed to if you need your gun. That’s always been my motto. I’m more than willing to even spend time in jail if it means my kids are still alive. I couldn’t imagine sitting at my kids funeral thinking well hey at least I’m not in prison for carrying my gun. That would be idiotic. Thankfully though carrying past signs is not unlawful. All they can do is ask me to leave and I have to comply. There is a limited number of areas like courthouses where it’s actually a crime to carry
Texas Penal Code Section 30.06 prohibits a person with a concealed handgun license (CHL) from carrying a concealed handgun on private property without the owner's consent: Notice The owner or someone with authority must provide notice that entry with a concealed handgun is prohibited. This can be done orally or in writing, such as with a sign. Signs Signs must: Be in English and Spanish Be written in block letters at least one inch tall Be displayed in a conspicuous manner that's clearly visible to the public Penalties A violation of Section 30.06 is a Class C misdemeanor. Defenses There are several defenses to prosecution, including: The license holder is an owner or tenant of a condominium or apartment The license holder is carrying the handgun to or from the owner's property or their vehicle in the property's parking area
Wait, are you that's not Steve Martin? : ) My concern is in, say, visiting California. Where, since they do not have reciprocity with anyone, if you carry you are going to be "carrying dirty" EVERYWHERE. And even if you do "the right thing and save a lot of lives odds are they are going to bury you with weapon charges anyway. Carrying illegally, prohibited handgun, prohibited magazines, on and on.
I hate to mention it, but I think lots of so called metal detectors are there more to intimidate, than to find something on a person ! And besides, unless there are circumstances that suggest something different, all they can do in most cases, is ask you to leave, or threaten to Trespass you ! 🚔😳🚔
@ Okay, thanks for clarifying. I remember when it first happened someone reported that he had a red dot, and I never heard that recanted. Great video, by the way. Thank you.
The indoor gun ranges I use advertise their "state of the art" ventilation systems which they claim, moves air from behind you and takes it downrange. I always try to be upwind of my gun-discharges.
Neither FLP nor USCCA will cover you if you use your firearm in a Gun Free/No Weapons Allowed area. That's why I stopped my FLP coverage. 99% of the time those are the places where you'll need your gun more than out in the general public.
What coverage does?
What FLP should do is sue the company that put up the sign making it a Gun Free Zone for failing to protect people from threats and violence.
@@larptm9083 I believe AOR does.
AOR (Attorneys on Retainer) will cover you. Check them out.
Pay to retain a self defense/criminal defense specific attorney or law firm that is licensed in your state... I can't reccomend the services like "Attorneys on Retainer" or similar self defense focused groups/organizations like John also promotes as I haven't done enough research... But the classic big name "CCW Insurance" has NOT provided resources for too many well known cases vs. ever actually helping people in publicly known cases for me to EVER pay them ANY money! They are basically only going to cover your charges for a perfectly clean shoot that would rarely bring serious charges in most circumstances to begin with... Basically unless you just have an evil anti gun/anti gun DA/local judges then that Insurance is wasted money. Find a REAL expert self defense/ criminal defense attorney if you want to proactively spend money on legal defense, just like they mentioned in the video it's worth the $500 to actually meet who may be keeping you out of prison...
I was an unarmed security guard at a software company for a while. They switched me to a bank and said absolutely NO weapons and no body armor. I had my Beretta tomcat in my pocket every day.
Then I worked retail with a no weapons policy. Same thing. Now, I work in a manufacturing facility behind razor wire with our own armed guards. I still have something. As far as bars and clubs, I don't go there.
That tomcat is an underrated concealer for sure. But have you put hands on the S&W bodyguard 380?! It’s a sweet setup.
@@Captain-Electro good for you man. This is what I tell people even family members, we were at a playground the other day and I carry concealed everywhere unless it's a government building or court or something where I have to go through metal detector or whatever. But family member that knows I carry was saying I shouldn't be there while carrying concealed. I quickly changed her mind when I reminded her, all of us adults and children at the playground are all just sitting ducks for a deranged individual and the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Good on you for carrying and places that have this BS gun policy. They can be victims I too refuse to be
" The CONSTITUTION of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their RIGHT and DUTY to be at All Times Armed. "
~ Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Catwright, June 5th 1824
" If circumstances should at any time obligate the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of ARMS who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist. "
~ Alexander Hamilton Federalist No.28
January 10th 1788
@@Desertpunk1986I’ve really been looking into getting a bodyguard 2.0 seems amazing
You’re the second lawyer I have heard say this same thing today. Defend yourself as you need to.
Well, yeah. If I'm alive to have stupid charges leveled against me, I'm alive.
The post office is the one that irritates me. No security, no metal detectors... But you're not allowed to protect yourself. It's not even a completely federal building, it's partly private.
That was overturned by the courts this year.
@@noah.s95. I would wait.
In the opinion the judge said this:
“The United States indicted Emmanuel Ayala, a postal worker, for possessing a
firearm in a Federal facility in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 930(a). Ayala argues that statute is
unconstitutional as applied to him because the historical record does not support a law
banning firearms in post offices.”
Notice the words “as applied to him.” That means this decision only applies to him. No national order or injunction was issued.
@ they took down the signs at every post office I go to.
@@noah.s95that was an “as applied” ruling, without consideration for the legality of bans in the post office. The no post office law is alive and well.
"It's not even a completely federal building, it's partly private."
It is 100% a Federal Facility. It is NOT partly private. It is an extension of the Executive Office (President).
I am from NYC & I told my wife I’d leave when the risk of a mandatory prison sentence was less than the risk of not having a firearm when I need it. I left in 2021.
In my last year, I was carrying (allegedly) dirty. If you act normal & don’t act like an idiot, nobody will ever know unless you need it. If you truly have to defend your life, the prospect of prosecution is the lesser of the evils.
"If you act normal & don’t act like an idiot, nobody will ever know unless you need it.
Not necessarily true. There are numerous things that could happen. A simple traffic stop could change your life.
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@@papimaximus95
When I'm in my car, I carry legally with the gun unloaded and in a locked case.
I believe that behind the wheel is the most likely place that I'd get into trouble for illegally carry.
Simple solution
@@papimaximus95before I turned 21 last month, I was allegedly (lol) carrying for 6 months “illegally”. Got pulled over twice and never got searched because they need probable cause. Don’t smoke weed, don’t have alcohol in the vehicle, don’t have the gun or magazines visible and you’re good. Can’t search you unless you do something dumb like the OP said
Yeah, be cool and responsible but "stop and frisk" in the 90's in certain neighborhoods ... were not enough. Bloomberg made it "mandatory" superseding the Sullivan act. Which was a year in the joint and not mandatory
You brought up the case in Indiana. Entering private property (mall) in Indiana they can display the sign. However according to Indiana State law the signs are not criminally enforceable. They can ask you leave. They can ask you not to enter. However concealed is concealed.
9 times out of 10 I'm carrying anyway unless it's a government building
Accidentally carry in the VA clinic, escort back to car to lock... explained LTC/private security...
Move out of that state I moved out of New York to a very red state in the south@@richardle7469
For legal purposes, if a court is reading this, it was time 1 out of 10
As John alluded to in this video, why admit to breaking the law in a public forum?
Admit breaking the law in a public forum? So what? There’s not a damned think they can do about it
A few years ago a mom with a CCP took a wrong turn in Philly ended up in Jersey where she was stopped and arrested for the gun plus hollow point ammo. She was eventually pardoned by the governor.
Yeah I remember. Just insane.
I remember that case. Philly resident here. I followed that one. Don't know if today's NJ governor would give her the same consideration.
I had to go to Philly once for work and I took my gun as my state has reciprocity with PA. My destination was right across the river from Jersey and if I missed my exit I could have easily ended up in Jersey. I was terrified I was going to miss my exit and end up in Jersey and end up like some of the horror stories I’ve heard of innocent people spending 5 yrs in jail for accidentally carrying in Jersey. I had thought about it a lot and was fully prepared if I accidentally missed the exit and found myself crossing the bridge to stop before I crossed over, ditch the rental, and walk back to the Philly side. That sounded crazy to me, but at least I’m certain I’m not going to jail because some cop pulls me over while I’m trying to get turned around and back across the bridge.
@my2cents945 yup. PA resident myself. I have a FFL if ya ever want anything. I can sell you whatever ya want. Other state resident I have to go through another FFL for pistols and handguns.
@@AnthonyLoconte-u6w Thanks. I've been in different aspects of the firearms business for many years and have an FFL who takes good care of my needs.
people aren't worried about getting fined, or a silly misdemeanor , they are worried about going to jail the rest of their lives.
I'll take my chances with my God given right to defend myself and my family.
@3nertia God is always with me.
@3nertia and you make a big assumption that a trial follows every shooting. Ignorant.
If you put GOD first in everything ,he will be there when you have to protect yourself with a gun.
In FL, those signs carry no force of law. You can ignore them unless it is one of a handful of places specifically mentioned in the FL statutes as a no-go. Church, mall, movie theater, various stores - good to go, sign or not. But if they find out you have one and ask you to leave, then you must or you will be breaking the law.
Don't much trust metal detectors. Have twice in my life accidentally carried a spare mag through security and metal detectors and it was not detected.
In AZ, the sign must be a very specific font and size and have the ARS code at the bottom in order to carry any legal weight. Otherwise it's just a request by the property owner. Like you said, they can ask you to leave or be trespassed and that's it. Schools and gov't buildings are still no-go zones
It is the same in NV. They are not enforced unless you're asked to leave and refuse.
I believe it's the same in Louisiana.
Same in TX, I can post no gun no firearms but if the signs are not IIRC with state-laws, it means nothing.
These are post incident “you can’t sue our business” signs.
Fascinating, but all-to-real question. Thanks for not being afraid to address it. Learned something.
Glad it was helpful!
State statute not posted along with sign? Consider it a suggestion. Used to carry a gun every day in a secret compartment in my backpack when going to college. We’d do active shooter drills and all be huddled in the corner of the room, all while I’m holding a backpack with something I could easily use to take care of the issue, rather than cower. No way I could have taken classes and sat there defenseless like a fish in a barrel.
You have to be aware of the state statutes where that college is. I fully get the sentiment about I would rather have and not need it vs need it and not have it mentality. Just trying to point out how some states have specifically outlawed carrying on college campuses, and some city/state AG’s will want to prosecute you even if you did do a good thing. Stupid laws and stupid people.
@@bigk4755 I’m aware of the statutes. Unless things have changed in my state, it’s required that the statute code is posted along with the “no guns/weapons allowed” sign and that it’s a certain size. My tech school just had a sticker in the corner of each entry door and it wasn’t big enough and didn’t have the statute on it. Either way though, even if they did, I’d still roll the dice; I’d rather take my chances with the AG than be six feet under. Given how common active shooters on campus tend to be in modern society, I needed the peace of mind. Obviously, to each their own. I made sure to keep my backpack on me at all times or within eyesight and would always take it to the bathroom with me if I had to go. Never had an issue.
Never thought I'd hear John say "That's where all the honeys are at!"
Then there is the situation of someone passing out and friends taking the person to a hospital that has a, “No Weapons” sign, and the person is groggy as he goes into the ER. Even an ambulance crew may miss a weapon.
He makes sense, but if you do this in Illinois, especially in Cook County, it's a felony and you are in deep trouble.
Carrying Firearms onto Prohibited Areas:
1st offense is a Class B misdemeanor (punishable up to 180 days in jail)
2nd offense is a Class A misdemeanor (punishable up to 364 days in jail) and up to a 6 month CCL suspension.
3rd offense is a Class A misdemeanor and results in permanent revocation of the CCL.
Glad you brought up NM at the end. First thing that came to mind is the post office.
NJ peeps, it would be charged as a felony so unless your own life is at risk, don't intervene on behalf of others who decided not to carry. General rule - there is no misdemeanor gun charge in NJ, they are basically all felony level charges. Hate to say it, but the Daniel Penny rule applies in NJ.
And Mass
And NY
Lol Penny used his hands not a firearm… and he got off, not everyone will be so lucky, so he’s not a good example 😅😂
@@MN-hv5xv Daniel Penny Rule applies to the use of self defense in general, not the method used. Can't believe I even had to point this out to someone ..
Bernhard Geotz is the exact example, that happened in NY but same difference.
If you carry into prohibited areas (bars, etc) don't you risk losing your CC permit?
It depends on the state.
In VA you may cc in bars, if you don't drink alcohol. Or, if you are a police officer, then you can carry and drink too... seriously, that's the law.
Elijah Dicken comes to mind!
There are always people who will do what they want, regardless of what legal code says.... im not saying it's sane, sober, moral, or prudent, but there are people who will
Not gonna lie, it feels like this video was directly answering the question I posted a couple videos ago!
Well, yay! :) We recorded it in October, so that was fortuitous!
@ASPextra sorcery!
I wish this info was available for South Africa
" If circumstances should at any time obligate the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of ARMS who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist. "
~Alexander Hamilton Federalist No.28
January 10th 1788
They should have to provide lock boxes then, just like at courthouses, jails, correctional facilities, etc.
In NM it's only a felony if it's a licensed liquor establishment (bar or restaurant that dispenses liquor, not just beer and wine). Passing a no gun sign in any other private property situation is a simple trespass. I haven't heard of any prosecutions for either situation but I have heard of CCW revocations.
i recently told somebody to leave my bar because i could see his night sights in his armpit thru his jacket that had been unzipped a bit..he was wearing a shoulder holster..he tried to argue with me that i didnt see what i clearly saw..booze and guns dont mix
What about the no gun signs at a hospital and doctor offices? I never hear them talked about. I think some of them could be considered state or federal grounds right?
Most hospitals are privately owned and governed by the laws of private property of the state you're in. Some states have specific laws to hospitals, so check your state laws.
I carry everywhere I go as long as it's not federally prohibited or there's not a metal detector. I have had to use it before and I didn't need a lawyer. but I live in Florida.
In Commiefornia, most DAs practice malicious prosecution, and will prosecute you for a felony when the law only allows a misdemeanor in an attempt to get you to plead to the misdemeanor!
Reminds me of the Simpson's quote. I'm a sign, not a cop.
Thanks for this video. Love this and your main channel
I appreciate that!
I WOULD tell someone to “break the law”.
Laws are just societal suggestions. We all know the mala in se crimes (murder, rape, robbery etc) are wrong. I’m talking about mala prohibitum (wrongs prohibited by law).
Use your head. Make moral decisions. Ignore politicians.
You have to stop looking at things from a self-centered perspective. In many cases we are talking about someone else's PRIVATE property - Bar, restaurant, church, mall, etc. How is it ok to violate the right of another citizen to control their property?
*malum
Also, that moral superiority is cold comfort when you're doing the time for malum prohibitum crimes.
@@papimaximus95fair point, better to avoid those altogether or just leave it in the car
@@papimaximus95 if they deny you your right to self defense they should be 100% liable for your safety while on premises
@@3nertia "Just because capitalism has everything being "owned by private owners for profit" doesn't mean it's not a public place if it's function is to serve the public ..."
You are incorrect. There is private property that is defined as a "public accommodation". That is they are held open to the public and therefore can not discriminate on the normal protected list plus disability protection. Other than that, those places are 100% private.
You guys are being flippant about the penalties for carrying in a prohibited place, but in many areas that is a life changing felony charge.
I don't know of it being a felony to carry in a bar anywhere.
@@Andrew_D96 There are many more prohibited places than a bar my guy.
@@UraniumEagle listen bud, there's prohibited places and then there's federally prohibited places. Prohibited places don't mean Jack unless they're federally prohibited. So read up on that
I feel like you didn't listen to what we actually said.
@@Andrew_D96 This is completely dependent on state law. Campuses can be legal in one state and a felonious crime in another. "So read up on that"
I carry when dancing (usually in a bar/restaurant) 4-5 nights each week. The owners of my most frequent dance venue know. There’s a no guns / knives sticker on a counter that is usually covered up, but no “real” sign anywhere.
That said, tonight is a show with wands and detectors on the way in, so I’ll be locking my tools up for the evening. :(
"I carry when dancing"
I know an FBI who did the same thing...did not work out well for him.😁
Don't fund what you disagree with.
@@papimaximus95 ha! No hand stands or flips for me 😂
Agent: "oops"
@Paycheck708: "check this out".
The lawfare in New York has no one feeling free to help a burning woman on the subway. We need a government that strongly supports we the people's Constitutional duty to be ready at all times to use personal weapons to be law enforcement, homeland security and national defense. Article I Section 8 Clause 15 "To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions". All gun control interferes with that.
56 in a 55? Those are rookie numbers, gotta bump them up
" The CONSTITUTION of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their RIGHT and DUTY to be at All Times Armed. "
~Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Catwright, June 5th 1824
Concealed means concealed. JB12>CB6.
John, can you ask him if he's heard of a case where the person got convicted in a store, based on the sign being counted as reasonable notice?
How would that misdemeanor effect your permit renewal?
I haven’t heard of a conviction on that alone.
What’s your opinion on carrying without a permit?
Chamillionaire: Ridin Dirty
It's an easy answer if you get into a life or death situation - yeah the potential prosecution for carrying dirty is irrelevant. But what's more problematic is getting caught carrying in an impermissible environment when there is no extenuating life or death scenario. That's a real risk you have to consider every time you choose to carry where it's not allowed. Make sure your concealment is solid, and don't walk into places with metal detectors.
💯 agree
3:58 no, it’s not. It’s your coordination. If judgement was the first thing to go out the windows when you’re drinking sobriety tests would be a lot different. No less entertaining, but different. Anyway, I shouldn’t have to say that coordination and physical performance, more broadly, is sort of important in self defense.
Honestly, I don’t know if judgement, per se, ever goes out the window. Impulse control, for sure. Thought and perception slow and physical coordination and speed go down a lot, but I would argue that judgement may be slowed by the same rate as perception, but it doesn’t leave you. If you ‘lose judgement’ when you’re drunk, you never had it when sober.
Thank you! Very informative!
I WISH I was able to have this concern. Here in Canada, we're so hamstrung by our federal government in defending ourselves in any way--including with words--that THAT is the only reason I would consider moving to the U.S. But I won't because, unfortunately, the U.S. has more murders per capita than any other country. But your health care . . . now, THAT'S something to move there for!😆
You should review the murder by country statistics!
I love being your neighbor in the Great 48. That said, may it never need to be us making that call.
Metal detectors …. I know someone that attended a conference at a convention center in a major city… He carried 4 night and 3 days of classes, going through the metal detectors, his concealed carry was never detected…. His wife would get stopped and searched because of Bobby pins in her hair… go figure… and the reason he carried was the 6 block walk from the hotel to the convention center…. He used the smart carry holster.
I read about a guy sneaking his carry into a Major League Baseball game. He had a small .380 tucked in and a big western belt buckle. The detector went off and he lifted his shirt to show the big buckle and was waved on through.
What if you're going to pick up food from a restaurant that happens to have a bar? I feel like that's a grey area. It's mainly a restaurant and they have no sign
Kinda depends on the state.
@ASPextra KY
Such a circumstance would ipso facto demonstrate that the order was unlawful. I would see about suing the sign poster as part of a conpiracy to disarm me for the purpose of doing me harm.
Here in Texas, carrying in any business that derives 51% of its income through selling alcohol for consuming on premises is a 3rd degree felony punishable by 2-10 years in prison!
There were a handful of places i saw that sign and... There was no way in hell 51% was alcohol. One of them was literally an afternoon tea place!
Easy, dont go to those places. Also, with a ltc you have some forgiveness in that you need to leave the esablishment immediately if you did not see the 51% sign.
I knew unicorns existed! Great show
So I've got US law shield membership. They will only represent me If I am legally carrying. So if I'm behind a no gun sign when I defend myself (North Carolina) they won't represent me. Makes me wonder if it us even worth having a membership.
Yea, I'm going to go to AOR.
This is a question I have always wanted to ask but never had a chance to, and I agree with your answer (I'm surprised at your honesty). In some blue states like NY, CA and IL, gun owners almost always have to make this kind of choice, not only in bars, but also in other gun-free zones, which means "everywhere." People must choose between following the law to potentially get killed and breaking the law to save lives. If you insist on being a "law-abiding citizen" wherever you go, you might as well not carry at all, which is the whole point of those laws, i.e., to deprive citizens of the right to keep and bear arms for self-protection
You hit it on the head, I live here in NY, and thinking about getting the carry. But then I say to myself what's the since? The majority of the city is a gun free zone. Yet criminals carry every place, and out of jail in a short period. But let me the law abiding citizen for example who has a NY carry they will try to put me under the jail if I get into a safe zone!.
I think the point of worrying about a charge for you illegally carrying is that the punishments vary and federally speaking a Class A mis. would prohibit you from purchasing a firearm on top of legal fees to defend yourself AND actually the punishing fine. Maybe you can't afford all of that?
I've carried past metal detectors several times while carrying at NBA and NFL games. Not breaking any laws in my state, just their rules. This was pre-2020, and handheld wands, likely wouldn't get past a walk through unit. Still, security at these events is mostly theatre.
Oh man I have a story about even insinuating that I was carrying at the NBA finals.
I’ve thought of this often, bc I do it often, like at the mall or the movie theater
My take is it comes down to a different phase said on this channel, must I shoot. Thanks for sharing.
I dont think the misdemeanor is the concern, I think the worry is it somehow becoming a felony one way or another especially in strict states, but I dont really know if thats a valid concern. Any thoughts?
Totally depends on the state, like I said. ;)
Some establishments discriminate mostly against those Berettas and revolvers. People, don't carry those 😆
LOL - you guys are killing me! Great post.
I'm worried about a lawyer/ firearms instructor... that says "my understanding is..." Not the law is..
You should be more worried about one that is dogmatic and sure, when application is very individual.
Mornin aspers 🎉
Interestingly enough, Elijah Dicken was the second armed citizen there. The very first victim was also found to be armed with a handgun.
Yep.
What will I be charged with if I concealed carry at the USPS or at Social Security office?
www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/41/102-74.440 felony up to 5 years.
@@ASPextraThanks
Where is the full episode for this?
This is the full episode.
Wouldn’t the other side of the "it doesn't matter" argument be Bernard Getz or Harold Fish? You may be in the right for the shooting, but a prosecutor may find some other avenue to charge you and get you some jail time.
I don't think Harold Fish really applies to this discussion other than he was maliciously prosecuted and that can happen.
The rule I live with is this. Pay attention because it's worth the price. I've been on this channel and that rule saved my life. Lost my job though but another job was better. Thanks John.# Prepared defender looses his job.
Help me understand why we need to pay anyone to understand our state laws. Why is this not easily available and written in a clear and concise way?
Here it is, for free, explained to you.
Thanks for sharing. I can’t afford $500 per hour so this is fantastic. Much of it is just common sense in my opinion, but, common sense seems to be the exception in this day and age. Peace and prosperity to both of you guys. FYI are you trying to ruin the reputation of lawyers by being a responsible human? ✌🏼👍🏼🙏🏼
In PA, 1st degree misdemeanors can get you up to 5 years in prison and $10,000 in fines.
Anything that carrys a possible sentence of one year or more is considered a felony when it comes to your gun rights. Just because it's not called a felony doesn't mean you won't get treated like a felon.
Had a weapon on me since Dec of 1979...sometimes as a cop, deputy, but mostly just because. Hold two different state's licenses. First, I don't frequent places with murder signs and long past the elementary school-age phenomenon. I don't fly ("Say, let's go to California"), go to concerts (you can see them on YT the next day) or the Post Office (Pack n' Mail is just fine). In my state, going to the bank, wine shed for take-aways, bars without a sign, state university property, police stations, grocery stores and Wally-World are not off limits. I drink at home. I tend to stay away from places that aren't 2A friendly. At 69, my business can go elsewhere. Life is too short, especially when one is on my end... OBTW, I have belonged to USCCA for years now. Researched every one of the 'oh, you ain't gonna believe this about USCCA' rumours and found them all to be false, or the poor sod to be blatantly in the wrong, just flat out wrong. Just false. Do your homework as there's a bunch of good CYA companies out there.
i found it and picked it up so no child would and was on my way to the police to turn it in when all of the sudden i was forced to use it😅
Y'all are too young to be going to the club! -Key & Peele
Attorneys on Retainer would defend you in this case. All the other insurance based programs won’t.
That's not necessarily true.
Don't be a hero for anyone. Defend yourself and your family. Sorry folks, you're on your own.
Is there a way he can be a part time host on your main channel? Or even starting a podcast with this man? I’d pay to see that!
(Oh yea, everyone join the active self protection app!)
Has anyone ever been convicted of prohibited use of weapons.. (Carrying while drunk) even though no alcohol breath test or blood test was administered.. Gun wasn't used in any way..
Oh man. Youre definetpy hurting some feelings with this one
😊
What's that saying....?
" It's easier to ask for forgiveness, than ask for permission " ?
🤔....?
Sign? What sign?
Eli's incident was in Indiana. Those no gun signs don't mean shit here legally speaking.
upload the full video. This one is heavily edited. Thanks Tim
This is the video
No OFFenSe John,I damn near ThOught U was Joaquin phoenix
I was happy to hear Tim say who cares if you’re carrying where you’re not supposed to if you need your gun. That’s always been my motto. I’m more than willing to even spend time in jail if it means my kids are still alive. I couldn’t imagine sitting at my kids funeral thinking well hey at least I’m not in prison for carrying my gun. That would be idiotic.
Thankfully though carrying past signs is not unlawful. All they can do is ask me to leave and I have to comply. There is a limited number of areas like courthouses where it’s actually a crime to carry
So, John Correia, you implied that FLP would cover an event like this. Several people on here said they won't. Who is correct?
Their coverage is determined by an independent board. I know they have covered people in those instances.
Texas Penal Code Section 30.06 prohibits a person with a concealed handgun license (CHL) from carrying a concealed handgun on private property without the owner's consent:
Notice
The owner or someone with authority must provide notice that entry with a concealed handgun is prohibited. This can be done orally or in writing, such as with a sign.
Signs
Signs must:
Be in English and Spanish
Be written in block letters at least one inch tall
Be displayed in a conspicuous manner that's clearly visible to the public
Penalties
A violation of Section 30.06 is a Class C misdemeanor.
Defenses
There are several defenses to prosecution, including:
The license holder is an owner or tenant of a condominium or apartment
The license holder is carrying the handgun to or from the owner's property or their vehicle in the property's parking area
CHL nah it's a LTC , not to nic-pic but all TX licensce are "Licence To Carry Hangun" none of my past and current LTC uses any other wording.
Wait, are you that's not Steve Martin? : )
My concern is in, say, visiting California. Where, since they do not have reciprocity with anyone, if you carry you are going to be "carrying dirty" EVERYWHERE. And even if you do "the right thing and save a lot of lives odds are they are going to bury you with weapon charges anyway. Carrying illegally, prohibited handgun, prohibited magazines, on and on.
When it comes to unjust and unconstitutional laws, it is the duty and obligation of every citizen to not obey and comply with such laws.
No one is rolling dirty. Just realize none of us a free so be ready to give up everything.
Why are you trying to sell carry Insurance if they don’t cover what you are talking about ?
I think you don't understand what you're talking about.
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6...
A class one misdemeanor... In what state?😮
I hate to mention it, but I think lots of so called metal detectors are there more to intimidate, than to find something on a person !
And besides, unless there are circumstances that suggest something different, all they can do in most cases, is ask you to leave, or threaten to Trespass you !
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You mean riding dirty. Rolling dirty is NOT what you're talking about. LOL!
Buying insurance is another way they (gun controllers) raise the cost and discourage people from even getting a gun without a law.
Didn’t Eli have a red dot?
No, he had a bone stock Glock 19 with a janky front sight from a moto spill he had previously IIRC.
@ Okay, thanks for clarifying. I remember when it first happened someone reported that he had a red dot, and I never heard that recanted. Great video, by the way. Thank you.
Do you guys worry about lead poisoning with all the training you do?
Always wondered this too
They make soap that helps remove led as well as wipes. It’s certainly something to consider and take steps to prevent.
The indoor gun ranges I use advertise their "state of the art" ventilation systems which they claim, moves air from behind you and takes it downrange.
I always try to be upwind of my gun-discharges.
I would NEVER!! cross a paper sign! 🤭🤫🤔
If a law is an affront to a certain amendment in the US CONSTITUTION, is it a lawful law? Just wondering.