I think of all of the bad things that are wrong with work while I’m there, I’m always uncomfortable being there and feel stressed and unsafe while I’m there, and I imagine bad things that could possibly happen usually they involve losing my temper and screaming at them or just dying God Forbid somehow while I’m there. I should just leave immediately right? Also, believe or not, I’m writing this because of your comment not for anything else.
@@AlfonsoECruz If you have a big bank account to not worry about being unemployed, then you can quit any time you want. But if you're not in that position you will need to make an exit plan. Update your resume, start looking on the internet for job opportunities, interview a few places to see what's out there. When you are working on an exit plan those worries of yours won't bother you as much. You can leave strong without jeopardizing your livelihood. Usually, your manager can tell that you're reaching out to other companies because you're taking time off to interview. Then it become a race to the finish line. Some companies are good at offering interviews during lunch or after work. Good luck.
I agree especially when other coworkers are making the same or similar mistakes but are not documented as well. If a manager ever told me that I will bring up that if they don’t want a lawsuit for possible discrimination everyone in the department needs to be monitored for the same mistakes and face the same consequences!
I learned that if you are under PIP its usually the boss who is initiating your termination and he/she wont help you because they want you to get fired. What the boss does in the background is he ghosts you, answers your questions without detail, just very "yes and no" answers, gives you less or no work, you basically feel like youre struggling to find work yourself to keep yourself employeed. You can feel the coldness.
I'm a PT employee. This new district manager came here summer of 23...he reduced my hours from 25-30 a week down to 10..for no reason...I've been with company for 5 years..I complained to. HR..and nothing..we PT workers have rights to!!... I also asked for FT hours..so what does he do?? He bypassed me and hired a new employee..mine you this is a no skill labor job..
And I live in a heavily populated city..and one of the most expansive places in the country.. wweerrrr with inflation..this is BS..might have to get a employment lawyer unfortunately..
@@IceSk8Princessa12yeah I have short term memory loss naturally and when it comes to huge amount of stress and burnout made it all the more worse. I can’t sit and get anything done without my coworkers being out of office and then having everything planned so my lines blown up and my whole schedule thrown out of wack to the point where I become so burnt out that I forget major tasks… I am right now on probation and might be fired come next Monday…
Yeah, intuition may be wrong sometimes, even embarrassingly so, but at least you can always trust your gut to tell you the truth with the best of its abilities.
I was on a pip and I gave my job a two day notice. I started a new role this monday 🎉 I didn’t feel bad at all. Fuck these companies. Always look out for yourself
I had a question sir. I got wrecked like 5 months ago and I worked in construction and when I came back. I came back to excessive heat warning and got heat exhaustion and got fired. is there anything I can do?
If you are on a pip, you are 99% out the door already. They just haven't made the appropriate paper trail. I was put on a pip 3 times at an employer, idk why I stayed there as long as I did. I was eventually fired for insubordination for not setting up office chairs for staff - I am a senior cloud engineer, I work in IT. I don't install office furniture. The best thing I ever did was say no to those bullshit requests - it does get better.
the dynamics are "fuck you, you do what we tell you to do - even if you are a skilled employee we will take advantage of you if we deem fit. @@ilovemytribe
Hmm… I would not want to start with a new company with a lie under my belt. However, this is an interesting idea. Perhaps when they ask for a start day, you say you will need 2 weeks from the date the offer is accepted and they’ll assume you still work there.
They try to make you quit. You get all the crappy jobs, crappy conditions, crappy assignments, crappy hours and gaslight you about anything being unfair.
Most of the time the company is the problem not the employee. If you are put on pip just start looking for another job because you might end up been fired. In my experience it is companies with high turnover rate.
It's a good idea to read the reviews of said company on Indeed or Glass Door. You will not be shocked to find plenty of negative reviews from people who you never knew existed saying the exact words you are currently saying.
The PIP is not constructed for you to be successful. The PIP is there to make you fail and give the manager and HR justification for your departure. If possible try to negotiate the PIPs goals so they are achievable. If you can’t restructure then just refuse to sign. Your fired anyway.
If you want to ramp up your anxiety for fun, regardless of your current job conditions, put this video on loop and listen to it on 1.25x speed for several hours.
That would pair nicely with looking at your boss’s calendar for the next few weeks looking for suspicious hour long “busy” blocks and comparing it to HR’s calendars too!
1. If you are talking with HR "Be very careful of what you say" My addition: Be very careful HOW you say it. 2. If you suspect you are going to be fired or are being railroaded, Get on that job search NOW.
Don't even bother with HR, however caring they may sound. They are merely lulling you into a false sense of security know thy enemy. They are on the enemy's side - not you's. Do not be misled.
I had been dealing with #2 for about a year and decided to enter the search. Landed a position closer to home with higher pay and better benefits. I’ve been made to feel more welcome and respected in one day at my new job than I did the entire time at my previous one.
@@aaronw8781 I read this right on time. I have good thing going at the company, but my manager and HR is railroading me from applying at any other spot in the company. So I guess I will have to leave and start over again at another company, which is the lesser evil of the two options. So glad it worked out for you!
This gentleman is correct. Keep records of everything. Anytime I got screwed I didn’t have written records. Also have an emergency fund set aside and updated resume ready to go.
Too true. That's what PIP is for, and while you are busting your gut, twisting yourself into a pretzel, and turning the world upside down on its axis, your body is storing the anxiety in every cell and your central nervous system is gearing itself up for post traumatic stress disorder. Your home life is going to he'll, your self esteem is oozing out of your eyeballs into the corporate carpeting, your colleagues are treating you like you have developed leprosy and they are smugly sitting back watching the beads of blood drip off your forehead, knowing with certainty what the pre-written ending of your PIP review is going to say. I will leave you to draw your own conclusion.
I was told by a lawyer, when “at will” they can fire you for any reason, for no reason, or for the wrong reasons. Once you feel that you are a target start building the resume and try to get out asap.
@@vladluteen2299 Totally agree. Loyalty is dead, and has been for a long time now. It's a shame, but that's how the corporations apparently want it, so...
@@rosej5029 A coworker shared something that happened to another supervisor. I applied and explained the reasons that drove me to resigned. After a week of answering many questions, my unemployment was approved. I guess HR could not find a logical defense.
I also resigned because of unsafe work conditions and got unemployment. I had pictures of equipment. The equipment was going to cut my fingers off and I refused to use it!
With 20 microscopes, 20 telescopes, 20 of the most sophisticated listening and recording devices planted into your corporate phone. Every keystroke is recorded as you touch the keyboard, every website you visit, everything, and I mean everything is treated like you are on trial for High Treason. It's simply the "Discovery" phase of the trial, and regardless of how you plead, the verdict is going to be "guilty as charged".
My company discriminated against me then put me on a PIP after I complained. I had great performance reviews up until that point. My coworkers made my work life hell, while the company did everything possible to set me up for failure. I documented everything and now pursuing legal action.
Same thing happened to me. I filed an EEOC complaint for discrimination. I filed a complaint with HR (once) for discrimination, they called the police who harassed my minority wife....wow! I then filed a complaint for a false police report.
I have simple answer: LEAVE or RESIGN it's no point playing adolescent and gaslighting trick of manager or job. Its not worth your mental health at all.
That's great to do if you have the financial reserves to do that. Otherwise, you'll be facing bills you can't pay. Yeah, one more reason to live more frugally, & don't spend more than you make. If possible.
Dear Bryan: Thanks for the post. I agree, it is important to let your employer fire you instead of quitting. It's a way to bide your time and get prepped while you look for your next opportunity. Out of curiosity how many of these firings you knew of (or handled) were really performance related, or when performance was used as a pretext. I guess by the time it comes to your desk, all that mattered was what was documented. I became suddenly stupid and was put on a PIP for one of my first jobs in an engineering consulting firm. The head of HR called me up and told me the PIP would not be used as grounds for termination. She also tipped me off that my boss hated my guts, unbeknownst to me. It was one of the rare moments HR acted on my interest and to my surprise she held her word.
I recently got fired and was so happy. Yes it is an income loss but I know where I don't belong. I've started back teaching part time, am on a small IT contract with an education company, and am learning digital marketing so I can start my own business. I was in Health Informatics with no clinical experience compared to my teammates who had on average 10+ years of nursing and health informatics experience so I naturally lacked self-confidence and was a cultural misfit. I ended up getting put on a 90 day PIP and had three write-ups within a 8 week period before being let go 9 days before my last day of my contract.
That is a weird situation to be in. Why would they hire someone who is not qualified for the job? If one has skills that balance that out, help them to fill in the gaps. If an employer doesn't want to do that, then don't hire the person in the first place! Doing that is not good in the long run for either the business or the person.
I actually recorded the conversations leading up to the event. The issue was with my supervisor, and HR consigned what the supervisor said on everything. My supervisor was a covert narcissist. Other colleagues didn't trust her, but complied out of fear of getting fired. She was the type to smile in your face, then gaslight you in front of other people. I would've quit months ago after seeing how toxic the workplace was over time, but decided to "quite quit" to get them to fire me.... I was going to at least leave with a few unemployment checks, which is what happened. I should mention I escalated to compliance, which backfired because they reported everything back to HR, who was afraid of my supervisor. After I was gone, three other people on the same team. It was a karmic lesson I had to learn.
Do not record anything without notifying the other party if you are in a two-party consent state. Doing so in WA is a gross misdemeanor and you can actually go to jail.
@@grr986 Even if you can't record the convo legally, I, in a situation like that, would record it anyway, just in case things spiral down to the "If I'm going down, I'm taking you with me" level. Obviously in the vast majority of cases, those convos would never come to light. But if you wind up being falsely accused of sh*t, especially if legal issues arise, then you burn their asses. Of course, you wouldn't have to disclose the recordings as such--you could just write up the convos "based on your best recall of the matters discussed." They'll _know_ you recorded them and may think twice about getting too feisty with you.
@@campandcook3118 Yeah, just for notes for yourself and your lawyer, that's okay, but I wouldn't leak them to regulatory agencies or the media. That's just going to expose you to criminal prosecution.
My advice is if your on a PIP in good times hopefully you can work through it. In bad times, your going to be fired. Your on their list and your not getting off. Get a new job and get out.
I have been on 2 PIPS and they both feel like they were going through the moves to show justification for termination. My advice is if you go through the PIP start looking. (I was on a PIP when I was the only person doing the job for 2 years which I was added on to help the person which left for another position)
@@feudini1 exactly... I was placed on PIP and I entertain it for week and half and left. I was overworked and mentality stressed. The burden ended when I handed letter resignation to them.
While different than being fired, being laid off has the same result. If you find your boss is no longer including you in meetings or assigning you to key projects, thats a big red flag. Probe him or her by volunteering to join these projects and why you'd be a good asset for such. Their reaction or lack of will give you your answer. If you see if coming, take advantage of your free time to bolster or fill gaps in your skill set. There are certain applications that are difficult to get access to outside the company environment so take advantage while you have access and build your skillset.
in Europe, getting laid off/made redundant has a significant upside over leaving yourself. You likely get a few weeks or months of pay as opposed to nothing if you leave voluntarily. So if you're in Europe it can actually be good for you to get laid off if you have the next job lined up. Gets you a nice "leaving bonus"
I am yet to understand why employers think PIPs work (unless it is to just get rid of you). Once on a PIP, one's main effort should be on finding another position.
If it reached that point just focus all your effort on finding a better environment. Dont waste time on your current company. That’s the only wise action you can take in this situation.. What’s the point of spending all your energy on a sinking ship?
Imo, just quiet quit and work towards getting your next job and collect the paycheck while you can. Also, maybe you need a reference too so you dont want to antagonize too many managers at your current job.
I've been let go twice. Both times without any improvement plan from leadership or warnings from leadership. Without any negative performance reviews. Without any communication that I wasn't meeting goals. Simply because someone in leaderships feels were hurt. I've learned to tread more carefully but often it can't be helped like when a humble manager was swapped for an ego driven prideful manager that can't handle any opinions other then his own. If I detect I need to be treating a manager like a royal highness while I grovel like a peasant, I'm finding a new job. Go where you are treated best. Where are these jobs where they try to work with you and help you grow as an employee for the long term?
Ive worked at companies where they kept employees for years, promoted them, trained them, even from intern to senior positions. What happened to these companies?
Exactly when you get to certain age in life your dignity does not come at a price for a paycheck. I rather leave with dignity and honor than them showing me the door.
@@vladluteen2299 bruh.......exactly I mention this about how are you going to keep up talent when can't retain it. One manager said you're just a number. And realize that I have treat myself as a business like company does it self.
Step 1: Ask yourself whether this job is one you wish to keep or do all this to keep Step 2: Apply for other jobs and start interviewing. Even if they don’t fire you, you might find a kickass new job. But start with Step 1; most jobs aren’t worth jumping through hoops to keep
Great advice around documenting conversations. Of note of if you are using email for this, be sure to PRINT a copy and keep these off site. A former boss requested all of her staff to list her as a "delegate" in their company email. This essentially gave her the same access to your email that you have. Low and behold there was an issue and i had saved supporting documentation in my email folders. When I was to meet with HR and went to gather my supporting documentation, it was gone. No real mystery what had happened.
Excellent advice. I did not do many of these things. I may have been able to salvage my position but I was not happy and took a passive approach…I got fired this week.
These are all great points and tips to take to heart, HOWEVER especially if you work in an "At Will State" which some companies love to take full advantage of... You can do everything and anything under the sun that is in compliance with the company, the job, your position, performance BUT as the term implies at any given moment "At Will", they can get rid of you for any reason at all assuming it's not under discriminatory reasons legally. It's a sh*t show out there; There's only so much hoop jumping you allow to happen to when you get to a breaking point and you say enough is enough.
At Will States doesn't actually mean "for any reason." This is often what they want you to believe, not what the laws really states, thus why so many employment law attorneys stay in business 😊
Yup. At least with govt job they have to have cause to fire u. One of the very few things good about working for gov 😐 Unless you’re in a select civil service position. Then U are at will.
If your boss pulls you in to sign a PIP, tell them you need 24 hours to "go over" everything before signing. Once you're released from his/her office, leave anything belonging to your employer on your desk and walk off the job. The PIP is essentially them giving you a two weeks notice that you're getting fired and staying there is a giant waste of time.
Yes and no. I’ve had 3 PIPs (2 diff jobs) in my career. I accomplished all the goals the PIP set and I was good. But I ended up leaving each company for unrelated reasons (my choice). Some companies just throw around PIPs more “casually” than others s
@@DerKommissar86 I've heard Amazon does this to people pretty casually just to get people to work harder or hyper focus on their job. It's using fear as a management tool which should be ethically wrong but that's big corporate.
Sometimes if you’re laid off, and not fired for cause, companies take you back, if you have updated new skills to show case. Example: from working at a different company or doing a short course. You can always re- apply in 6 months to a year, to your old job if there’s an opening, provided you have something new to show. That is, only if you really like the company, but if it’s toxic, it’s not worth going back. Always good to split amicably, even during a layoff. - Amy
I am feeling like I am on the chopping block for months , my boss only speaks to me when he has to, the director who I been working with for years has been acting off when we talk , HR team has been making “grunting noises” ( best way to describe it ) when they see me, etc. I been with the company for many years and I dont know how to handle this. I been going through this deep depression , and feel at a lost. I just saw them literally terming another person in my same leadership level and they stood in a hallway whispering and joking about it. I know they will do the same about me. I am just a number.
im literally in the same position too at my job rn, i'm on the brink of being fired if I make one more mistake because they talked to me in the past about my mistakes, and im afraid that im going to create new mistakes. lmao but yeah
It’s very demotivating to realize that someone above your boss has tasked them with documenting against you to create a record that will support your termination. When you’re getting “follow up” emails that are not actually what happened. Reply to those with the truth, just the facts. Be respectful, positive, and not reactive. Print all emails, good and bad, and bring them home so if they terminate you and immediately clear your email, you’ll have evidence to defend yourself if you are denied unemployment.
That's assuming you have access to the printer. Also, some companies (Call Centres are notorious for this) dusenablevyour ability to send external emails out, so you are unable to send the evidence to your pvt email. They are also notorious for forcing you to mute your phone when you get the assistance of a supervisor on a difficult case to assist you. This is so that if the call is played back, the supervisor can never be implicated.
Ironic that you would post this today. Today is the last day of my pip, and somehow I’ve survived. I started watching you the day I got it when I was spiraling. I’m glad it’s over. I have another year on my contract, and have to pay if I leave. Not sure what the future holds, but I’m glad to be done with it.
I documented, but it did no good at my former workplace when they believed the bad manager's lies of alleged wrongdoing by me. I had a great review in spring 2021. By fall 2021, all of a sudden, things were being nitpicked. Yes, manipulation and triangulation is key. My favorite gaslit moment was when the evil manager stated, "No one wants to work with you." Three others in my section quit before I did. Three Hispanic, and one Caucasian. The reason: the manager.
@@macobuzi No, they aren't. Yes you have to "keep the customer satisfied" up to a point, but they don't (and can't) manage you and tell you how to do your job.
@@Milesco F Yeah. For starters, becoming a freelance programmer or even an independent contractor driving medical supplies would be a decent way to be your own boss. Hope you're doing well with the indie scene since this is where I'm looking to go since I have had enough of the corporate IT BS.
Start planning your exit. Update CV or resume. Start applying for other opportunities, try to put with your employer on the best terms as you may need to get a reference even if it is to confirm dates that you worked there, beware of quitting your job as you may not qualify for unemployment benefits. Even if your job is horrible, surely there are skills and experience gained from it? Customer service? Office admin? Working under pressure. Try to use the experience you gained and put a positive spin on it so you look like gold, that is what applications and interviews are for and what people do in applications and interviews anyway lol. Start budgeting until you have a regular income again. If you are experiencing what is being described in this video, you are not the only person who experienced that and there are countless others who have gone through even worse. You can use a bad experience to get something better, in every trouble a blessed. Hang in there. Have a good day reader.
@@saitomsai4150 ask an expert. However, if the company is only going to confirm dates you were there, you could say you worked a temp contract that wasn't renewed etc you could say it was a temporary contract that was renewed several times and at the (amount of time you were there) you and your employer agreed to not renew contract. However I think you should give your question to a professional and ask for their opinion feedback etc. I only gave you guideline. Thank you for your support, have a good day.
This advice is .... Why would the boss who want to out the door help you ? Ask for help to the boss? Why prefer to be fired ? It makes getting a new offer very difficult ? Explain that how ????
I reported my manager 12 days before termination. My report had fiscal documents, pictures, videos and audios showing the stealing of around 300k BRL. My termination was because I noticed it. It has been 45 days and I received a msg from a coworker telling me the owner of the group came to visit the business. My ex manager is super fkd. I received a compensation mount of 25k, 10k+ than I should and a "thank you" note. And I already have another job with a better pay. I made a LinkedIn thanks to you and was found there. Thank you.
Print out any emails that might come in handy to prove your case in court. Make sure you clean up your personal stuff. Remove personal documents from your computer. Delete non work items. Keep a diary. Get ready, keep nothing more tfan a coffee cup on work. In Canada you can legally record key conversations under one oarty consent laws. Get job hunting... better to jump than be pushed, even if it is a transitionary job. When it happens, sign NOTHING, say NOTHING. When you gand in your phone, credit card, computer etc, demand a detailed, signed receipt with the date & time at the top.
Unrelated to the actual termination and job transition, but if you know your days are numbered at a company, I would suggest increasing your 401k contribution % too until they cut you loose if you can afford it. You won't be able to contribute to it while unemployed, and it will take time to roll it over elsewhere for further contribution. Plus if they offer a match you might be able to squeeze a little more money out of them while you are on the payroll.
Keep a fire extinguisher under your desk. When the boss calls you into the office, or walks to your cubicle with the pink slip, grab it and pull the pin. When you get the bad news, let ‘er rip. Return to your desk without a word and resume your work. When a coworker asks what the hell just happened, tell them the boss tried to fire you, but you took exception to it.
Haven't seen the video yet, but one thing I would do is gather as much contact info from other contractors and companies you've built a relationship with during your time at your current company as they would have the highest likelihood to hire you since the position would probably be very similar to what you might be doing at your current company. Also, make sure you get as many emails as possible for follow ups if need be, inside and outside your current company. 🙏
A "PIP" is essentially the last warning. You're like two paycheck out the door if you're lucky on that. More likely sooner. Regardless, when I got beyond two warning in my prior jobs, I was fired. That's how it is in hourly jobs. Thanks to A Life After Layoffs Job Seeker Boot-camp, I got a real career instead of hourly mundane work.
I got fired after 1 week at work. In hindsight I saw it coming. The boss became slightly akward, silent, did not joke around with me as much as he did the first 2 days. It was a small company with 5 employees. After 1 week (thursday to thursday) he wanted to speak with me in his room (massive red flag, unless the meeting is planned you are in trouble). Well I was fired because they had a gutfeeling that I was wrong for the job. To this day I do not know what I did wrong, I was on time and had conversations during lessons. I am sure it was mostly my fault, but the feedback was not the best. Gutfeeling is way to vague tbh.
Sometimes, if you've gotten to the stage of a PIP in an organization looking to manage you out, the requirements for the PIP may be difficult or impossible to achieve, despite their assurances to the contrary!
@Brian Can you make a video on what to say during an interview when we have been fired? I always thought it was best to resign before the company lets us go but you said to stay to get unemployment so I'm confused
Take your employer to court. I did the same thing. Give it your all if its unfair. In fact give them hell so they think 10 times doing to someone else. Bullying harassment is never tolerated
If you're a protected class, file an EEOC discrimination charge. At the very least you can get a cash settlement out the door. An ADA accommodation can make you PIP-resistant. Sue; don't quit. Utilize a free consultation with in employment attorney if you're feeling powerless.
Always keep records of your employment from job hunting to the last days -keep pre-email hiring, contract employment, copies of policies you’ve signed. -keep email from your boss even if doesn’t look like a writing-up -document the good and the bad stuff that may happened during employement -document when thing get heat between boss or collegues (and HR)
My previous company had "unlimited PTO", so if I quit, they probably wouldn't pay me anything at all. Instead, I waited for them to lay me off. I got severance and unemployment which was enough for me until I was hired for a new job.
@@ALifeAfterLayoff To be honest, I really haven't thought of any specific topics. Maybe the pros and cons of freelance vs. W-2 work, the best places to find freelance work or something along those lines?
If the company is small you will sense it your colleagues are back stabbing you. How? The owner starts to ignore you, even question how you do things or worse how dare you. Does not matter how well you do the job. Laid off without cause = Don't like your attitude of not being an ass kisser.
As layoffs seem to be accelerating as you speak... I enjoy my job, enjoy the company, and really like my coworkers. I'd be very unhappy to be laid off.
I remember one time at my previous job I had my manager force me into signing a form stating I could be subjected to termination if the cart straps keep breaking yet I wasn't the one who was breaking the cart straps, you didn't dare question the situation as pissing her off is like pissing off a mob boss, I've felt very uncomfortable having to sign this form because I wasn't sure if I was being written up or not, then I thought am I overreacting to this situation, then I've signed this form just to get my manager off of my back, my manager looked very pissed off while she had me sign this form, I later asked the supervisor who was with her if I've gotten written up, she said I didn't and that it was another read & sign form that everyone has to sign, I immediately felt better. I ended up leaving that job a year later, as for the manager she ended up getting terminated herself for forging signatures a few years later! My quality of life went up with my current job and my manager's quality of life went downhill with her termination.
They’re retaliating because I asked hr for clarity in what my pay status was, as some were telling me to clock in and others said absolutely not to. A simple, nonthreatening question. I was salaried and now they made me hourly as “payback”
I'm one of the older, pensioned employees at my job. They don't do pensions anymore for new hires, and every year I work adds more to my pension benefits. At a result, quitting is probably not the best thing. It is getting rough the last few years, watching new hires pour in and get treated better than me.
I printed out my emails and screenshot messages from slack.... just in case. And I was right, mass layoff AND my ex employer was fighting everyones unemployment claims.
I remember back in 08. Our Assistant Manager was an absolute prick. Called me names. Questioned my worth ethic to my face. I complained to HR about his hostile attitude. Jack shit happened. Tried for unemployment after I quit. Denied. Go starve on the street a-hole. When I brought a labor lawyer into the mix, suddenly the GM and HR backed up and said they were willing to give me 3 months severance if I let the case go. Took it and got another job 2 months later.
Often times you are put into a tough spot in a job because you are the only one being put into the position of standing up for ethics and remaining legal and not at risk of a lawsuit, or worse- human death. That was a position I was put it- those that remained in their job allowed their ethics to be subjugated in order to "feed their family". Do you suggest people who are about to be fired bend like they do as well? Sometimes a workplace is SO beyond the word "toxic", it becomes an enterprise of fraud and illegality. This was pharmaceutical testing and development arena, not just benign software development where things clearly work or don't work.
4:48 felt like they wanted me iut either way one time and the PIP was just a legal way out. Also fekt the demands of my boss woukd force me work after hours eveey day because he just simply wouldn't factor in customer cases take time and is a job in itself whike giving me other tasks. This company had 100% turn over before.
So great! I hear you and the excellent input you provide. I am on the other side and am trying to coach employee but may have to do a PIP. It makes me sick to think of it. If we cannot work together to improve the situation then I plan to refer her to your UA-cam channel after sad dismissal. It has been a year and she still requires more time and energy from me than it would for me to do her tasks. Or perhaps I should be PIP'ed for my inability to manager her. Even though I am working on my management skills, etc. I fear she will not survive well as we move through a recent merger unless I am able to properly communicate to her solid expectations. Have already started weekly meetings (with her) to address this.
My gut tells me I'll be fired within the next few weeks. I'm being reprimanded non stop out of the blue and my boss communicates only with my subordinate leaving me in the dark.
Currently have a job where my bosses say I'm doing a really good job, but my other boss that I work closely and not remotely with makes jokes about firing me. He's done this on five separate occasions. To my coworker as well. Obviously, my coworker hates it... if his body language has anything to say about it. I don't either... imagine that!
Does anyone here love their job, their boss, their co-worker, are happy with their pay and hours and feel fulfilled by what they do. I have had jobs like that.
Check the unemployment law in your state, I received unemployment when I resigned because I proved to the judge at my hearing, I was on my last warning, tried to transfer to other departments but was denied, in writing. You have to show you did everything to keep your job for lieu of discharge.
I don't get why you say we should be proactive, but also wait to be fired instead of quit a potentially toxic and dead-end work situation. Isn't quitting sometimes the proactive decision?
I knew I was about to get fired when I knew I had my limit of write ups coming tomorrow. I'm a nightshift maintenance/repairman. I broke into the H.R. office through the ceiling at night and stole all the previous write-ups from my file. When I went to the meeting, they guessed I must have done it somehow, but the Japanese Owners were so amused at how I outsmarted H.R. that they let it go with a smirk....(and they didn't have any evidence anymore anyway...lol) my first write up...again.
Maybe it’s a blessing that you got let go. I’m miserable at my current job and I’m working on getting an another job. I’m union so it’s harder to fire me. But it’s worth it for me to look for another job.
I tried to get things in order because I was joking around with my colleague and other colleagues took it out of context and got me done, they documented everything I was saying. I tried to fix things but they weren’t having it, they got rid of me
If you're spending all your free time documenting the bad things that go wrong at work, leave. It's a toxic place.
Another sign of a toxic place. You have no free time
I think of all of the bad things that are wrong with work while I’m there, I’m always uncomfortable being there and feel stressed and unsafe while I’m there, and I imagine bad things that could possibly happen usually they involve losing my temper and screaming at them or just dying God Forbid somehow while I’m there. I should just leave immediately right? Also, believe or not, I’m writing this because of your comment not for anything else.
@@AlfonsoECruz If you have a big bank account to not worry about being unemployed, then you can quit any time you want.
But if you're not in that position you will need to make an exit plan. Update your resume, start looking on the internet for job opportunities, interview a few places to see what's out there.
When you are working on an exit plan those worries of yours won't bother you as much. You can leave strong without jeopardizing your livelihood.
Usually, your manager can tell that you're reaching out to other companies because you're taking time off to interview. Then it become a race to the finish line. Some companies are good at offering interviews during lunch or after work. Good luck.
Exactly.
I agree especially when other coworkers are making the same or similar mistakes but are not documented as well. If a manager ever told me that I will bring up that if they don’t want a lawsuit for possible discrimination everyone in the department needs to be monitored for the same mistakes and face the same consequences!
If you think you’re getting fired, 90% of the time you’re right and there’s nothing you can do about it go look for other jobs
Correct! When they want you out, they won't stop until you are gone!
💯Couldn't have said it better myself!👏👏👏
I learned that if you are under PIP its usually the boss who is initiating your termination and he/she wont help you because they want you to get fired. What the boss does in the background is he ghosts you, answers your questions without detail, just very "yes and no" answers, gives you less or no work, you basically feel like youre struggling to find work yourself to keep yourself employeed. You can feel the coldness.
Sometimes it’s so bad and it is affecting your mental health and you need to just get out.
Sometimes it also affects you physically too! I have been sick to my stomach for weeks now! It's just not worth it anymore!
I'm a PT employee. This new district manager came here summer of 23...he reduced my hours from 25-30 a week down to 10..for no reason...I've been with company for 5 years..I complained to. HR..and nothing..we PT workers have rights to!!... I also asked for FT hours..so what does he do?? He bypassed me and hired a new employee..mine you this is a no skill labor job..
And I live in a heavily populated city..and one of the most expansive places in the country.. wweerrrr with inflation..this is BS..might have to get a employment lawyer unfortunately..
@@IceSk8Princessa12yeah I have short term memory loss naturally and when it comes to huge amount of stress and burnout made it all the more worse.
I can’t sit and get anything done without my coworkers being out of office and then having everything planned so my lines blown up and my whole schedule thrown out of wack to the point where I become so burnt out that I forget major tasks… I am right now on probation and might be fired come next Monday…
Even with regular meetings, boss lies to you openly. DONT believe anything but your gut feeling which never lies.
That is 100% true.
Yes! Manager tells you one thing but the emails they send to their colleagues say differently
If it's a layoff, don't assume your boss knows what's going on. Front line managers are often out of the loop too.
oh he knew. Layoff wrapped in baseless allegations. Ended up in court with employer paying@@BillyBobDingledorf
Yeah, intuition may be wrong sometimes, even embarrassingly so, but at least you can always trust your gut to tell you the truth with the best of its abilities.
I was on a pip and I gave my job a two day notice. I started a new role this monday 🎉 I didn’t feel bad at all. Fuck these companies. Always look out for yourself
@@MrJonathanhidalgo365 2 day notice 😂I stopped showing up cause my job started the next day
As an employment lawyer, I can assure this gentleman knows what he's talking about.
I had a question sir. I got wrecked like 5 months ago and I worked in construction and when I came back. I came back to excessive heat warning and got heat exhaustion and got fired. is there anything I can do?
Also remember that HR is not on your side. They work for your employer and will confront you with bias. They are NOT impartial.
If you are on a pip, you are 99% out the door already. They just haven't made the appropriate paper trail.
I was put on a pip 3 times at an employer, idk why I stayed there as long as I did.
I was eventually fired for insubordination for not setting up office chairs for staff - I am a senior cloud engineer, I work in IT. I don't install office furniture.
The best thing I ever did was say no to those bullshit requests - it does get better.
Unreal. I hate the power dynamics in the workplace...
the dynamics are "fuck you, you do what we tell you to do - even if you are a skilled employee we will take advantage of you if we deem fit. @@ilovemytribe
@@RuabIf the power dynamics are that, then quitting is the best move. If you can afford to.
And....guess who gets to stay?? LOW END....Zero Class....Bullies!!!
Ever think maybe it is partly you?
The best way to look for work when laid off is to pretend you are still working. Employers treat you much better.
Hmm… I would not want to start with a new company with a lie under my belt. However, this is an interesting idea. Perhaps when they ask for a start day, you say you will need 2 weeks from the date the offer is accepted and they’ll assume you still work there.
@jtixtlan well im sorry but for a job myo morals are pretty flexible when im trying to feed my family
@@jtixtlan companies start every job with a lie "we cant pay more for this role" and "management is open for your input"
They try to make you quit. You get all the crappy jobs, crappy conditions, crappy assignments, crappy hours and gaslight you about anything being unfair.
Sounds familiar
Most of the time the company is the problem not the employee. If you are put on pip just start looking for another job because you might end up been fired. In my experience it is companies with high turnover rate.
It's a good idea to read the reviews of said company on Indeed or Glass Door. You will not be shocked to find plenty of negative reviews from people who you never knew existed saying the exact words you are currently saying.
The PIP is not constructed for you to be successful. The PIP is there to make you fail and give the manager and HR justification for your departure. If possible try to negotiate the PIPs goals so they are achievable. If you can’t restructure then just refuse to sign. Your fired anyway.
If you want to ramp up your anxiety for fun, regardless of your current job conditions, put this video on loop and listen to it on 1.25x speed for several hours.
That would pair nicely with looking at your boss’s calendar for the next few weeks looking for suspicious hour long “busy” blocks and comparing it to HR’s calendars too!
UA-cam would love my watch time metrics!
@@KeatonIsFTW lol! Either that or put another sad video on loop on another device on 0.5x for a few hours so you get the contrast
1. If you are talking with HR "Be very careful of what you say" My addition: Be very careful HOW you say it.
2. If you suspect you are going to be fired or are being railroaded, Get on that job search NOW.
Wise advice.
I am being railroaded right now and this is crazy.
Don't even bother with HR, however caring they may sound. They are merely lulling you into a false sense of security know thy enemy. They are on the enemy's side - not you's. Do not be misled.
I had been dealing with #2 for about a year and decided to enter the search. Landed a position closer to home with higher pay and better benefits. I’ve been made to feel more welcome and respected in one day at my new job than I did the entire time at my previous one.
@@aaronw8781 I read this right on time. I have good thing going at the company, but my manager and HR is railroading me from applying at any other spot in the company. So I guess I will have to leave and start over again at another company, which is the lesser evil of the two options. So glad it worked out for you!
Stumbled upon your videos when I was getting pushed out at work, videos helped me to remain level headed until I found another job.
Glad to help!
Make sure you have a doctor to sign off for FMLA if it is an option for you or a family member you have to care for.
This gentleman is correct. Keep records of everything. Anytime I got screwed I didn’t have written records. Also have an emergency fund set aside and updated resume ready to go.
For anyone on a PIP, start looking for a new job. Chances are, they are just creating a papertrail to fire you. Its quite rare to survive a PIP.
Too true. That's what PIP is for, and while you are busting your gut, twisting yourself into a pretzel, and turning the world upside down on its axis, your body is storing the anxiety in every cell and your central nervous system is gearing itself up for post traumatic stress disorder. Your home life is going to he'll, your self esteem is oozing out of your eyeballs into the corporate carpeting, your colleagues are treating you like you have developed leprosy and they are smugly sitting back watching the beads of blood drip off your forehead, knowing with certainty what the pre-written ending of your PIP review is going to say. I will leave you to draw your own conclusion.
I have seen other HR experts estimate that probably over 90% of people on PIPs are still let go. Great advice, do not quit!
I was put on a PIP and survived that, but I know I am still on the chopping block.
I was told by a lawyer, when “at will” they can fire you for any reason, for no reason, or for the wrong reasons.
Once you feel that you are a target start building the resume and try to get out asap.
Since companies have no loyalty neither do I.
Well, just to be clear, they can't fire you for an illegal reason. (Not sure exactly what you meant by "wrong" reason, so I wanted to clarify.)
@@vladluteen2299 Totally agree. Loyalty is dead, and has been for a long time now. It's a shame, but that's how the corporations apparently want it, so...
@@Milescowell, this asshole supervisor refused to provide an accommodation letter and he used an excuse to fire me.
I resigned and still got unemployment benefits. That is how bad my boss was and HR knew but CHOSE to ignore. Few months later, the boss was FIRED.
How did you still get unemployment?
@@rosej5029 A coworker shared something that happened to another supervisor. I applied and explained the reasons that drove me to resigned. After a week of answering many questions, my unemployment was approved. I guess HR could not find a logical defense.
@@rosej5029There is usually a rule if any reasonable person would walk out you can get the benifit. Unsafe work conditions or abusive conditions.
I also resigned because of unsafe work conditions and got unemployment. I had pictures of equipment. The equipment was going to cut my fingers off and I refused to use it!
Every breath you take, every move you make, I'll be watching you...
True 💯
With 20 microscopes, 20 telescopes, 20 of the most sophisticated listening and recording devices planted into your corporate phone. Every keystroke is recorded as you touch the keyboard, every website you visit, everything, and I mean everything is treated like you are on trial for High Treason. It's simply the "Discovery" phase of the trial, and regardless of how you plead, the verdict is going to be "guilty as charged".
My company discriminated against me then put me on a PIP after I complained. I had great performance reviews up until that point. My coworkers made my work life hell, while the company did everything possible to set me up for failure. I documented everything and now pursuing legal action.
What industry was that?
I can only wish you everything of the best
Same thing happened to me. I filed an EEOC complaint for discrimination. I filed a complaint with HR (once) for discrimination, they called the police who harassed my minority wife....wow! I then filed a complaint for a false police report.
Sure they did. I bet it happens to you all the time. Hmmm....
@@dontblameme6328 get a job.
I have simple answer: LEAVE or RESIGN it's no point playing adolescent and gaslighting trick of manager or job. Its not worth your mental health at all.
F that. Let them pay. I’m petty like that.
That's great to do if you have the financial reserves to do that. Otherwise, you'll be facing bills you can't pay.
Yeah, one more reason to live more frugally, & don't spend more than you make. If possible.
@@llywrch7116 or you can have a side hustle.
Dear Bryan:
Thanks for the post. I agree, it is important to let your employer fire you instead of quitting. It's a way to bide your time and get prepped while you look for your next opportunity.
Out of curiosity how many of these firings you knew of (or handled) were really performance related, or when performance was used as a pretext. I guess by the time it comes to your desk, all that mattered was what was documented.
I became suddenly stupid and was put on a PIP for one of my first jobs in an engineering consulting firm. The head of HR called me up and told me the PIP would not be used as grounds for termination. She also tipped me off that my boss hated my guts, unbeknownst to me. It was one of the rare moments HR acted on my interest and to my surprise she held her word.
I recently got fired and was so happy. Yes it is an income loss but I know where I don't belong. I've started back teaching part time, am on a small IT contract with an education company, and am learning digital marketing so I can start my own business. I was in Health Informatics with no clinical experience compared to my teammates who had on average 10+ years of nursing and health informatics experience so I naturally lacked self-confidence and was a cultural misfit. I ended up getting put on a 90 day PIP and had three write-ups within a 8 week period before being let go 9 days before my last day of my contract.
I'm glad you got out of there. Good for you for not skipping a beat!
same here I also prefered to be fired than resign. Why resign when you have done nothing wrong
What a nightmare
That is a weird situation to be in. Why would they hire someone who is not qualified for the job? If one has skills that balance that out, help them to fill in the gaps. If an employer doesn't want to do that, then don't hire the person in the first place! Doing that is not good in the long run for either the business or the person.
@@llywrch7116 if only businesses and leadership had basic business acumen. Sadly those running companies arent even educated or qualified themselves
I actually recorded the conversations leading up to the event. The issue was with my supervisor, and HR consigned what the supervisor said on everything. My supervisor was a covert narcissist. Other colleagues didn't trust her, but complied out of fear of getting fired. She was the type to smile in your face, then gaslight you in front of other people. I would've quit months ago after seeing how toxic the workplace was over time, but decided to "quite quit" to get them to fire me.... I was going to at least leave with a few unemployment checks, which is what happened. I should mention I escalated to compliance, which backfired because they reported everything back to HR, who was afraid of my supervisor. After I was gone, three other people on the same team. It was a karmic lesson I had to learn.
Do not record anything without notifying the other party if you are in a two-party consent state. Doing so in WA is a gross misdemeanor and you can actually go to jail.
@@grr986 Even if you can't record the convo legally, I, in a situation like that, would record it anyway, just in case things spiral down to the "If I'm going down, I'm taking you with me" level. Obviously in the vast majority of cases, those convos would never come to light. But if you wind up being falsely accused of sh*t, especially if legal issues arise, then you burn their asses. Of course, you wouldn't have to disclose the recordings as such--you could just write up the convos "based on your best recall of the matters discussed." They'll _know_ you recorded them and may think twice about getting too feisty with you.
@@josepherhardt164 But just to be clear, illegal recordings can't be used in court.
@@Milescono, but they can be used as notes for you and your lawyer, proove wo was present and can be leaked to Compliance agencies and the Media
@@campandcook3118 Yeah, just for notes for yourself and your lawyer, that's okay, but I wouldn't leak them to regulatory agencies or the media. That's just going to expose you to criminal prosecution.
My advice is if your on a PIP in good times hopefully you can work through it. In bad times, your going to be fired. Your on their list and your not getting off. Get a new job and get out.
Exactly
I have been on 2 PIPS and they both feel like they were going through the moves to show justification for termination. My advice is if you go through the PIP start looking. (I was on a PIP when I was the only person doing the job for 2 years which I was added on to help the person which left for another position)
@@feudini1 exactly... I was placed on PIP and I entertain it for week and half and left. I was overworked and mentality stressed. The burden ended when I handed letter resignation to them.
This man is truly a HR professional and he is the best on youtube
While different than being fired, being laid off has the same result. If you find your boss is no longer including you in meetings or assigning you to key projects, thats a big red flag. Probe him or her by volunteering to join these projects and why you'd be a good asset for such. Their reaction or lack of will give you your answer. If you see if coming, take advantage of your free time to bolster or fill gaps in your skill set. There are certain applications that are difficult to get access to outside the company environment so take advantage while you have access and build your skillset.
Exactly never let them show you the door you leave them before they get you.
What kind of project does a walmart or mcdonalds employee do?
in Europe, getting laid off/made redundant has a significant upside over leaving yourself. You likely get a few weeks or months of pay as opposed to nothing if you leave voluntarily. So if you're in Europe it can actually be good for you to get laid off if you have the next job lined up. Gets you a nice "leaving bonus"
I am yet to understand why employers think PIPs work (unless it is to just get rid of you). Once on a PIP, one's main effort should be on finding another position.
It's mostly for documentation purposes.
If it reached that point just focus all your effort on finding a better environment. Dont waste time on your current company. That’s the only wise action you can take in this situation.. What’s the point of spending all your energy on a sinking ship?
Imo, just quiet quit and work towards getting your next job and collect the paycheck while you can. Also, maybe you need a reference too so you dont want to antagonize too many managers at your current job.
I've been let go twice. Both times without any improvement plan from leadership or warnings from leadership. Without any negative performance reviews. Without any communication that I wasn't meeting goals. Simply because someone in leaderships feels were hurt. I've learned to tread more carefully but often it can't be helped like when a humble manager was swapped for an ego driven prideful manager that can't handle any opinions other then his own. If I detect I need to be treating a manager like a royal highness while I grovel like a peasant, I'm finding a new job. Go where you are treated best. Where are these jobs where they try to work with you and help you grow as an employee for the long term?
Ive worked at companies where they kept employees for years, promoted them, trained them, even from intern to senior positions. What happened to these companies?
Exactly when you get to certain age in life your dignity does not come at a price for a paycheck. I rather leave with dignity and honor than them showing me the door.
@@Jupiterxice I'm think leadership in some companies has become delusional in their ability to hire shiny new replacements for cheap.
@@vladluteen2299 bruh.......exactly I mention this about how are you going to keep up talent when can't retain it. One manager said you're just a number. And realize that I have treat myself as a business like company does it self.
It’s all about organizational politics and you will be out the door.
Step 1: Ask yourself whether this job is one you wish to keep or do all this to keep
Step 2: Apply for other jobs and start interviewing. Even if they don’t fire you, you might find a kickass new job. But start with Step 1; most jobs aren’t worth jumping through hoops to keep
Great advice around documenting conversations. Of note of if you are using email for this, be sure to PRINT a copy and keep these off site. A former boss requested all of her staff to list her as a "delegate" in their company email. This essentially gave her the same access to your email that you have. Low and behold there was an issue and i had saved supporting documentation in my email folders. When I was to meet with HR and went to gather my supporting documentation, it was gone. No real mystery what had happened.
Super toxic behavior by that supervisor.
And if you have copies but they don’t and it ever went to civil court it’s proof of spoliation of evidence.
So devious and underhanded.
Excellent advice. I did not do many of these things. I may have been able to salvage my position but I was not happy and took a passive approach…I got fired this week.
These are all great points and tips to take to heart, HOWEVER especially if you work in an "At Will State" which some companies love to take full advantage of... You can do everything and anything under the sun that is in compliance with the company, the job, your position, performance BUT as the term implies at any given moment "At Will", they can get rid of you for any reason at all assuming it's not under discriminatory reasons legally. It's a sh*t show out there; There's only so much hoop jumping you allow to happen to when you get to a breaking point and you say enough is enough.
I learned long ago that dignity does not come at paycheck. I rather leave with honor than stay with gaslighting of company not worth mental health.
At Will States doesn't actually mean "for any reason." This is often what they want you to believe, not what the laws really states, thus why so many employment law attorneys stay in business 😊
Yup. At least with govt job they have to have cause to fire u. One of the very few things good about working for gov 😐
Unless you’re in a select civil service position. Then U are at will.
There has to be a law to monitor companies that abuse at will employment. If a company has a reputation of firing staff then they should be fined.
If your boss pulls you in to sign a PIP, tell them you need 24 hours to "go over" everything before signing. Once you're released from his/her office, leave anything belonging to your employer on your desk and walk off the job. The PIP is essentially them giving you a two weeks notice that you're getting fired and staying there is a giant waste of time.
If you are on a performance improvement plan, you are going to be terminated. They are just covering their ass.
What does “PIP” stand for?
@@Yleski
Performance
Improvement
Plan
Yes and no. I’ve had 3 PIPs (2 diff jobs) in my career. I accomplished all the goals the PIP set and I was good. But I ended up leaving each company for unrelated reasons (my choice). Some companies just throw around PIPs more “casually” than others s
@@DerKommissar86 I've heard Amazon does this to people pretty casually just to get people to work harder or hyper focus on their job. It's using fear as a management tool which should be ethically wrong but that's big corporate.
Sometimes if you’re laid off, and not fired for cause, companies take you back, if you have updated new skills to show case. Example: from working at a different company or doing a short course. You can always re- apply in 6 months to a year, to your old job if there’s an opening, provided you have something new to show. That is, only if you really like the company, but if it’s toxic, it’s not worth going back. Always good to split amicably, even during a layoff. - Amy
I am feeling like I am on the chopping block for months , my boss only speaks to me when he has to, the director who I been working with for years has been acting off when we talk , HR team has been making “grunting noises” ( best way to describe it ) when they see me, etc. I been with the company for many years and I dont know how to handle this. I been going through this deep depression , and feel at a lost. I just saw them literally terming another person in my same leadership level and they stood in a hallway whispering and joking about it. I know they will do the same about me. I am just a number.
Trust your gut instincts. You are not wrong. O can only sympathise. It really is a shitty position to be in
im literally in the same position too at my job rn, i'm on the brink of being fired if I make one more mistake because they talked to me in the past about my mistakes, and im afraid that im going to create new mistakes. lmao but yeah
You have such perfect timing. I literally just found out a few hours ago that I'm going to be fired this month.
Good luck mate
It’s very demotivating to realize that someone above your boss has tasked them with documenting against you to create a record that will support your termination. When you’re getting “follow up” emails that are not actually what happened. Reply to those with the truth, just the facts. Be respectful, positive, and not reactive. Print all emails, good and bad, and bring them home so if they terminate you and immediately clear your email, you’ll have evidence to defend yourself if you are denied unemployment.
That's assuming you have access to the printer. Also, some companies (Call Centres are notorious for this) dusenablevyour ability to send external emails out, so you are unable to send the evidence to your pvt email. They are also notorious for forcing you to mute your phone when you get the assistance of a supervisor on a difficult case to assist you. This is so that if the call is played back, the supervisor can never be implicated.
@@melanieoreilly2565 Take pictures with your phone and give them file names and keep them in a folder.
@@melanieoreilly2565And don’t connect your cell phone to the company WiFi.
Had an hourly I lost, where the office narcissist was above me and smeared me. I hate her to this day. Toxic woman.
u skipped the most imp on:
Get 1 person contact details who has +ve perception of u, willing to be your referee
Ironic that you would post this today. Today is the last day of my pip, and somehow I’ve survived. I started watching you the day I got it when I was spiraling. I’m glad it’s over. I have another year on my contract, and have to pay if I leave. Not sure what the future holds, but I’m glad to be done with it.
Stay vigilant. It's never really over til you leave the company.
You posted this 11 months ago. Did you find a new job?
I documented, but it did no good at my former workplace when they believed the bad manager's lies of alleged wrongdoing by me. I had a great review in spring 2021. By fall 2021, all of a sudden, things were being nitpicked. Yes, manipulation and triangulation is key. My favorite gaslit moment was when the evil manager stated, "No one wants to work with you." Three others in my section quit before I did. Three Hispanic, and one Caucasian. The reason: the manager.
Freelance till I die...
Better off having clients than bosses.
I couldn't agree more. 👍
Clients are your bosses!
@@macobuzi No, they aren't. Yes you have to "keep the customer satisfied" up to a point, but they don't (and can't) manage you and tell you how to do your job.
@@Milesco F Yeah. For starters, becoming a freelance programmer or even an independent contractor driving medical supplies would be a decent way to be your own boss. Hope you're doing well with the indie scene since this is where I'm looking to go since I have had enough of the corporate IT BS.
Tips for the topic of what qualifies for unemployment would be an excellent topic to hear more about. Thanks for all that you do, Bryan
Start planning your exit. Update CV or resume. Start applying for other opportunities, try to put with your employer on the best terms as you may need to get a reference even if it is to confirm dates that you worked there, beware of quitting your job as you may not qualify for unemployment benefits. Even if your job is horrible, surely there are skills and experience gained from it? Customer service? Office admin? Working under pressure. Try to use the experience you gained and put a positive spin on it so you look like gold, that is what applications and interviews are for and what people do in applications and interviews anyway lol. Start budgeting until you have a regular income again. If you are experiencing what is being described in this video, you are not the only person who experienced that and there are countless others who have gone through even worse. You can use a bad experience to get something better, in every trouble a blessed. Hang in there. Have a good day reader.
Should you lie about your termination to your new job?
@@saitomsai4150 ask an expert. However, if the company is only going to confirm dates you were there, you could say you worked a temp contract that wasn't renewed etc you could say it was a temporary contract that was renewed several times and at the (amount of time you were there) you and your employer agreed to not renew contract. However I think you should give your question to a professional and ask for their opinion feedback etc. I only gave you guideline. Thank you for your support, have a good day.
Always lie
This advice is ....
Why would the boss who want to out the door help you ? Ask for help to the boss?
Why prefer to be fired ? It makes getting a new offer very difficult ? Explain that how ????
I reported my manager 12 days before termination. My report had fiscal documents, pictures, videos and audios showing the stealing of around 300k BRL. My termination was because I noticed it. It has been 45 days and I received a msg from a coworker telling me the owner of the group came to visit the business. My ex manager is super fkd. I received a compensation mount of 25k, 10k+ than I should and a "thank you" note. And I already have another job with a better pay. I made a LinkedIn thanks to you and was found there. Thank you.
Brilliant
Print out any emails that might come in handy to prove your case in court. Make sure you clean up your personal stuff. Remove personal documents from your computer. Delete non work items. Keep a diary. Get ready, keep nothing more tfan a coffee cup on work. In Canada you can legally record key conversations under one oarty consent laws. Get job hunting... better to jump than be pushed, even if it is a transitionary job. When it happens, sign NOTHING, say NOTHING. When you gand in your phone, credit card, computer etc, demand a detailed, signed receipt with the date & time at the top.
Unrelated to the actual termination and job transition, but if you know your days are numbered at a company, I would suggest increasing your 401k contribution % too until they cut you loose if you can afford it. You won't be able to contribute to it while unemployed, and it will take time to roll it over elsewhere for further contribution. Plus if they offer a match you might be able to squeeze a little more money out of them while you are on the payroll.
emphasis on the if you can afford it part, if you think the budget is tight do the opposite because liquid cash is king in those situations
Keep a fire extinguisher under your desk. When the boss calls you into the office, or walks to your cubicle with the pink slip, grab it and pull the pin. When you get the bad news, let ‘er rip. Return to your desk without a word and resume your work. When a coworker asks what the hell just happened, tell them the boss tried to fire you, but you took exception to it.
Haven't seen the video yet, but one thing I would do is gather as much contact info from other contractors and companies you've built a relationship with during your time at your current company as they would have the highest likelihood to hire you since the position would probably be very similar to what you might be doing at your current company. Also, make sure you get as many emails as possible for follow ups if need be, inside and outside your current company. 🙏
Documenting works when the issue is with someone who is not your boss.
It would only work with the boss if he also has a target in his back.
A "PIP" is essentially the last warning. You're like two paycheck out the door if you're lucky on that. More likely sooner. Regardless, when I got beyond two warning in my prior jobs, I was fired. That's how it is in hourly jobs.
Thanks to A Life After Layoffs Job Seeker Boot-camp, I got a real career instead of hourly mundane work.
As soon as you make a stand against any conflict, you've just lost any chance of advancement etc, even if you win, so you might as well get legal.
I got fired after 1 week at work. In hindsight I saw it coming. The boss became slightly akward, silent, did not joke around with me as much as he did the first 2 days. It was a small company with 5 employees. After 1 week (thursday to thursday) he wanted to speak with me in his room (massive red flag, unless the meeting is planned you are in trouble).
Well I was fired because they had a gutfeeling that I was wrong for the job. To this day I do not know what I did wrong, I was on time and had conversations during lessons. I am sure it was mostly my fault, but the feedback was not the best. Gutfeeling is way to vague tbh.
Sometimes, if you've gotten to the stage of a PIP in an organization looking to manage you out, the requirements for the PIP may be difficult or impossible to achieve, despite their assurances to the contrary!
@Brian Can you make a video on what to say during an interview when we have been fired? I always thought it was best to resign before the company lets us go but you said to stay to get unemployment so I'm confused
Take your employer to court. I did the same thing. Give it your all if its unfair. In fact give them hell so they think 10 times doing to someone else. Bullying harassment is never tolerated
If you're a protected class, file an EEOC discrimination charge. At the very least you can get a cash settlement out the door. An ADA accommodation can make you PIP-resistant. Sue; don't quit. Utilize a free consultation with in employment attorney if you're feeling powerless.
Only works for minorities
Always keep records of your employment from job hunting to the last days
-keep pre-email hiring, contract employment, copies of policies you’ve signed.
-keep email from your boss even if doesn’t look like a writing-up
-document the good and the bad stuff that may happened during employement
-document when thing get heat between boss or collegues (and HR)
Smart move
If you quit they have to pay you out for your saved PTO time. If they fire you, they don’t. I learned that the hard way
My previous company had "unlimited PTO", so if I quit, they probably wouldn't pay me anything at all. Instead, I waited for them to lay me off. I got severance and unemployment which was enough for me until I was hired for a new job.
I will always win in this scenario because I blow through all my PTO first chance I get.
That likely varies.
Hey Brian, are you going to make videos that lean more towards the freelancing/self-employed side of things? I think it'd be very interesting!
What topics are you most interested, specifically?
@@ALifeAfterLayoff To be honest, I really haven't thought of any specific topics. Maybe the pros and cons of freelance vs. W-2 work, the best places to find freelance work or something along those lines?
If the company is small you will sense it your colleagues are back stabbing you. How? The owner starts to ignore you, even question how you do things or worse how dare you. Does not matter how well you do the job. Laid off without cause = Don't like your attitude of not being an ass kisser.
As layoffs seem to be accelerating as you speak... I enjoy my job, enjoy the company, and really like my coworkers. I'd be very unhappy to be laid off.
Install a Deadman switch, so that if you're no longer there, everything goes wrong
I remember one time at my previous job I had my manager force me into signing a form stating I could be subjected to termination if the cart straps keep breaking yet I wasn't the one who was breaking the cart straps, you didn't dare question the situation as pissing her off is like pissing off a mob boss, I've felt very uncomfortable having to sign this form because I wasn't sure if I was being written up or not, then I thought am I overreacting to this situation, then I've signed this form just to get my manager off of my back, my manager looked very pissed off while she had me sign this form, I later asked the supervisor who was with her if I've gotten written up, she said I didn't and that it was another read & sign form that everyone has to sign, I immediately felt better.
I ended up leaving that job a year later, as for the manager she ended up getting terminated herself for forging signatures a few years later! My quality of life went up with my current job and my manager's quality of life went downhill with her termination.
Toiling as a corporate lacky, as you constantly describe, is no way to live.
Has anyone ever recovered from a PIP? Might has well just find a new job at that point because they are 90% going to fire you.
They’re retaliating because I asked hr for clarity in what my pay status was, as some were telling me to clock in and others said absolutely not to. A simple, nonthreatening question. I was salaried and now they made me hourly as “payback”
I'm one of the older, pensioned employees at my job. They don't do pensions anymore for new hires, and every year I work adds more to my pension benefits. At a result, quitting is probably not the best thing. It is getting rough the last few years, watching new hires pour in and get treated better than me.
I printed out my emails and screenshot messages from slack.... just in case. And I was right, mass layoff AND my ex employer was fighting everyones unemployment claims.
I printed out screenshots too...unfortunately, they were of me goofing off.
I remember back in 08. Our Assistant Manager was an absolute prick. Called me names. Questioned my worth ethic to my face. I complained to HR about his hostile attitude. Jack shit happened. Tried for unemployment after I quit. Denied. Go starve on the street a-hole. When I brought a labor lawyer into the mix, suddenly the GM and HR backed up and said they were willing to give me 3 months severance if I let the case go. Took it and got another job 2 months later.
I'm lucky I got another role within a month. Applied heaps though.
Update: it sucks and severely underpaid with no benefits and start at 8am to 4:30pm. :(
I just got the email!! Today at 2:30pm w HR. OMG guys I am so happy I want to get outta here. Just wanna know should I leave or stay and get fired.
Very good advice thank you
Often times you are put into a tough spot in a job because you are the only one being put into the position of standing up for ethics and remaining legal and not at risk of a lawsuit, or worse- human death. That was a position I was put it- those that remained in their job allowed their ethics to be subjugated in order to "feed their family". Do you suggest people who are about to be fired bend like they do as well? Sometimes a workplace is SO beyond the word "toxic", it becomes an enterprise of fraud and illegality. This was pharmaceutical testing and development arena, not just benign software development where things clearly work or don't work.
What is your story supposed to be if it was sneaky retaliation they set me up to fail so they could try to fire me for performance.
4:48 felt like they wanted me iut either way one time and the PIP was just a legal way out. Also fekt the demands of my boss woukd force me work after hours eveey day because he just simply wouldn't factor in customer cases take time and is a job in itself whike giving me other tasks. This company had 100% turn over before.
Stuff like this makes me want to do a startup.
So great! I hear you and the excellent input you provide.
I am on the other side and am trying to coach employee but may have to do a PIP. It makes me sick to think of it. If we cannot work together to improve the situation then I plan to refer her to your UA-cam channel after sad dismissal.
It has been a year and she still requires more time and energy from me than it would for me to do her tasks. Or perhaps I should be PIP'ed for my inability to manager her.
Even though I am working on my management skills, etc. I fear she will not survive well as we move through a recent merger unless I am able to properly communicate to her solid expectations. Have already started weekly meetings (with her) to address this.
My gut tells me I'll be fired within the next few weeks. I'm being reprimanded non stop out of the blue and my boss communicates only with my subordinate leaving me in the dark.
Currently have a job where my bosses say I'm doing a really good job, but my other boss that I work closely and not remotely with makes jokes about firing me. He's done this on five separate occasions. To my coworker as well. Obviously, my coworker hates it... if his body language has anything to say about it. I don't either... imagine that!
Does anyone here love their job, their boss, their co-worker, are happy with their pay and hours and feel fulfilled by what they do.
I have had jobs like that.
Check the unemployment law in your state, I received unemployment when I resigned because I proved to the judge at my hearing, I was on my last warning, tried to transfer to other departments but was denied, in writing. You have to show you did everything to keep your job for lieu of discharge.
5:41, it's not the same in Australia but it still pays to stay.
I don't get why you say we should be proactive, but also wait to be fired instead of quit a potentially toxic and dead-end work situation. Isn't quitting sometimes the proactive decision?
Quitting after you've found another job is proactive. Just quitting isn't.
Where is the bit about giving in your notice before you get officially fired?
Video idea - how to make a new contract with your boss to change your employment from at-will to something else, and what that might look like.
I knew I was about to get fired when I knew I had my limit of write ups coming tomorrow. I'm a nightshift maintenance/repairman. I broke into the H.R. office through the ceiling at night and stole all the previous write-ups from my file. When I went to the meeting, they guessed I must have done it somehow, but the Japanese Owners were so amused at how I outsmarted H.R. that they let it go with a smirk....(and they didn't have any evidence anymore anyway...lol) my first write up...again.
Well, aren’t you a ninja?
What fanfiction is this
Brilliant!!
Don't see much point one fighting to stay somewhere one is not wanted.
You have to have a job in order to get fired
If someone calls your name,?keep walking with your head down.!!!!
I was let go today, and my employer didn't give me a reason. What lesson can you learn when the employer doesn't tell you why?
Maybe it’s a blessing that you got let go. I’m miserable at my current job and I’m working on getting an another job. I’m union so it’s harder to fire me. But it’s worth it for me to look for another job.
@@rochelle-xz8gl idk....Hopefully you're right.
I tried to get things in order because I was joking around with my colleague and other colleagues took it out of context and got me done, they documented everything I was saying. I tried to fix things but they weren’t having it, they got rid of me
Secretly plan your next move.