At the end of the day its a free flowing exhaust regardless of manufacturer, the quality and durability will be true test and most importantly the lack of street cred with a rip off exhaust. - Great video nonetheless guys!
@@provenpowercycles sir, is it true that 2017 - 2019 models run richer from factory and swapping full system doesn't REQUIRE a tune to be healthy? compared to later models with stricter emission compliance
@@jaxxvhin yup, soon. Like they've mentioned, it looks like these bike comes pig rich from factory. Exhaust fumes smells like unburnt gas. My bike just crossed 800miles
they are not "fake" they are just made in China like all of them, only the local retailer make it "genuine" - for a price. If people are stupid enough to buy from local dealers for a premium that's their choice. ~ 10 HP gain is normal for a cat delete complete line, it just a free flow pipe bit wider on the extractor which makes all the difference. To make it leaner just add high flow air filter and play with the velocity stacks if there's a lag on acceleration
You can't see the reason due to ignorance, but if you instruct yourself in the subject matter, it'll make perfect sense why companies charge so much for high-quality exhaust systems. 😊
Z900 is immensely underrated cheap power easy to mod, maintain and great MPGs for longer road trips as long as the exhaust kit holds up its worth it cost vs the fat heavy baffle resonator from factory
I just cut my breadbox leaving the catalytic and installed a fake akrapovic exhaust and I'm amazed with the sound aside from too much backfire in it. How to get rid of the backfire pls?
Throwing one of these on my 2024 Yamaha R7... my only worry is that the clearance is good with the farings and swing arm. Goimg to send my ecu out before i ride it too.. dont want to screw up my motor.
Open exhaust is an open exhaust but there’s a big difference between aluminum, stainless steel, titanium, carbon fiber and plastic.. weight differences & visual appeal don’t show up on the dynos 😏
1 How often does it backfires? 2 Is there any adverse effect on the engine, like the temperature and fuel consumption? 3 Is it necessary to do remapping/dyno? 4 Will it hurt the bike if you dont do remapping/dyno?
Hey there I'll answer your questions in order: 1) every bike is different on the backfiring. We can enhance or minimize it based on your mods and bikes reaction. 2). After an ecu flash and dyno tune, there are no adverse effects on motor. Fuel consumption will depend mainly on driving habits. The way I tune bikes, I like to get the customer best of both worlds. Good fuel mileage will cruising and power when they demand it. 3). I highly recommend tuning whenever you modify the performance of the bike. (Full exhaust systems and air filter are usually plenty enough to justify a full tune on majority of bikes). 4). It is possible to cause engine damage if you do not remap it or tune it correctly. Bikes running too lean or even too rich of a mixture can cause damage over time and also depends on driving habits.
@@provenpowercycles air filter alone is enough to justify a full tune? or only in combination with a full exhaust? I find it interesting that the bike was running rich before tune, even with the open full exhaust. I always read that the bike would run lean and not rich when switching to full exhaust before tune. Maybe with this bike you can do air filter without tune because it is running so rich? A tune would be nice but I'm in Germany. I do see though below 4k rpm it was actually running lean from stock already. with more open exhaust probably even more so. Is that not a problem? I once had the SC Project CR-T Slip-on (looks like the one in the video) with stock headers on my Z900 and I had this bucking that you described at around 3k rpm. seemed like it was running too lean even with stock headers. Now with less open slip-on SC1-R it's fine. Very cool and interesting video, mate! 👍👍
@optikforlife yes ilwe are finding more and more of the newer generation bikes are actually pretty lean at low rpm and then very rich at higher rpms. Very odd to us as well! We can always do a bench flash as well to help you out! It should make it better for you all in all 🤙
With majority of the bikes, leaving the o2 sensor in back feeds to the ecu and creates weird issues (such as bucking under light acceleration or just holding throttle steady). We remove the sensor from the main harness typically to ensure no back feed is possible. However, on some of the new bikes, cruise control function is directly related to emission sensors now so we're figuring out a work around on that.
@@provenpowercycleshello i bought a z900 2023 with 95hp a2 model mine is bocking when i drive it at a constant speed kawasaki says there is nothing wrong with the bike but it doesn't ride smooth what do you think that it could be ?
Yes we recommend that to pretty much any bike with a full exhaust system. Airflow changes drastically and needs to be compensated in the stock ecu mapping.
I would say the main reason name brand is expensive is the actual titanium material itself that makes the price crazy. these stainless steel systems are way cheaper.
Hi there from Philippines! Will it hurt my z900 if i cut the BREADBOX and just leave the CATALYTIC converter as is --- "without tuning/remapping"??? Thank you.
Tenhoa Uma Z900 2023 moro aqui em Portugal .. Um SC project aqui esta custando 1.500 Euros. No Aliexpress este modelo ai do video sai a 200 Euros, eu seriamente estou Pensando em Comprar
The quality doesn't so much matter. It cost $300, you could buy 3 or 4 and still spend less than on a real legit SC. If I get 1 year out of it for $300 I'm fine buying another one.
Its not fake, Why? The materials of the original exhaust and the materials of that exhaust you tested were the SAME. The welding process used is also the same thats why you cannot say its fake but a COPY.....
If the customer goes from and ebay slip-on to an ebay full exhaust. How did the spring for a professional to do the work? LOL. p.s real SC is for the same people that put Rizoma mirrors on their bike.
I put a similar SC slipon $90 with link pipe from aliexpress (on akra headers) on my z900 and the neighbours 1km away complained. Back to the shitty $1100 yoshi R77-s (i actually love it). I got 130bhp with the addition of a 18thou 0.45mm cometic head gasket and 76.6 ftlb. I think your dyno might be 1-2hp optimistic but it was an entertaining video.
Ten for the price of one...... Chinese know what they are doing they just haven't gotten hungry yet...oh tho they are coming faster than most know.....😮
It's the fact that everyone has become greedy pigs feeding on huge profit margins. Sell less, have less workers but make the same as if they were pricing fairly.
goes to show people the overhead on these exhaust system is 500% ...China copies and perfects.the items....bikers that buy the real stuff are foo foo the perceived prestige ot so emotional
![1000$ SC PROJECT Exhaust VS 50$ FAKE eBAY AUSTIN RACING [SOUND BATTLE]](/img/n.gif)
SC project enjoys graping their customers. No one is making more power. Open exhaust is open exhaust. Sounds great too. So....
At the end of the day its a free flowing exhaust regardless of manufacturer, the quality and durability will be true test and most importantly the lack of street cred with a rip off exhaust. - Great video nonetheless guys!
Exactly. Free flowing and good diameter piping will yield results. Appreciate the compliment! 💪💪
@@provenpowercycles sir, is it true that 2017 - 2019 models run richer from factory and swapping full system doesn't REQUIRE a tune to be healthy? compared to later models with stricter emission compliance
exactly
@@ashyxt I think so, I've heard of people running the V1 Z900 with a fullsystem without a tune.
Can you give an example of a knock-off full exhaust system w/ its build quality and durability tested/degraded?
Crazy! I've heard a lot of people using these and loving them. Excellent gains!! I am very impressed.
I got the fake sc also. Didnt grab the headers yet, but god it sounds so good especially for the $160 i spent
Such a great work, and because of you guys, I ordered one and today it showed up at my doorstep $131 shipped! (I live in Asia)
Haha awesome!! 👍
Are you looking to get the ecu flashed?
@@jaxxvhin yup, soon. Like they've mentioned, it looks like these bike comes pig rich from factory. Exhaust fumes smells like unburnt gas. My bike just crossed 800miles
Crazy, you did an awesome job .
Thank you 🤙
Great vid! Always good to see performance on a budget! Could we get a link to the ad?
I'm ready to order mine a full system in ebay...
Any recommendation for the best replica for my z900.2023?
they are not "fake" they are just made in China like all of them, only the local retailer make it "genuine" - for a price. If people are stupid enough to buy from local dealers for a premium that's their choice. ~ 10 HP gain is normal for a cat delete complete line, it just a free flow pipe bit wider on the extractor which makes all the difference. To make it leaner just add high flow air filter and play with the velocity stacks if there's a lag on acceleration
I can't see why any of these "high quality" exhausts should cost more than $300.... Name brand.
You can't see the reason due to ignorance, but if you instruct yourself in the subject matter, it'll make perfect sense why companies charge so much for high-quality exhaust systems. 😊
Insane results
Damn. Those are big gains. You guy's killed it
Thank you 🙏 much appreciated
Was the bike flashed before you flashed it? I am pretty sure that my stock Z9 2020 runs pretty lean.
I noticed the same thing on mine!
No it was not. Completely stock ecu 👍
This comment feed has great information. Thank you. New subscriber with a 24’ Z900
@NoFair_Z hell yeah man. Welcome to the channel! 🙌
Did you do it yet?
Z900 is immensely underrated cheap power easy to mod, maintain and great MPGs for longer road trips as long as the exhaust kit holds up its worth it cost vs the fat heavy baffle resonator from factory
@RyuRydr777 they are awesome bikes for sure man. We are in love with the 2024s! They are badass!
I just cut my breadbox leaving the catalytic and installed a fake akrapovic exhaust and I'm amazed with the sound aside from too much backfire in it. How to get rid of the backfire pls?
Install block off plates for the pair valve assembly. That will help it out a good amount 🤙
I am using the same one for almost 4 years now I don't have any issues at all.
Badass! Great to hear a testimonial on longevity !
What is the link to purchase?
Did you map your ECU?
@@calvindorfling3211Yo. Got question. Hopefully will get a reply
did you remap your ECU?
Throwing one of these on my 2024 Yamaha R7... my only worry is that the clearance is good with the farings and swing arm. Goimg to send my ecu out before i ride it too.. dont want to screw up my motor.
New subs here. Btw. left down some questions. Keep it up and ride safe.
For 341 bucks let the finish not be top notch definitely great value for money over all
I have 10 china slip ons at $50 each..when I get bored with the look I change them like g.i. Joe outfits
I’d be curious to see what a breadbox delete and keeping the catalytic converter produces without a tune and with a tune compared to stock system
Open exhaust is an open exhaust but there’s a big difference between aluminum, stainless steel, titanium, carbon fiber and plastic.. weight differences & visual appeal don’t show up on the dynos 😏
1 How often does it backfires?
2 Is there any adverse effect on the engine, like the temperature and fuel consumption?
3 Is it necessary to do remapping/dyno?
4 Will it hurt the bike if you dont do remapping/dyno?
Hey there I'll answer your questions in order:
1) every bike is different on the backfiring. We can enhance or minimize it based on your mods and bikes reaction.
2). After an ecu flash and dyno tune, there are no adverse effects on motor. Fuel consumption will depend mainly on driving habits. The way I tune bikes, I like to get the customer best of both worlds. Good fuel mileage will cruising and power when they demand it.
3). I highly recommend tuning whenever you modify the performance of the bike. (Full exhaust systems and air filter are usually plenty enough to justify a full tune on majority of bikes).
4). It is possible to cause engine damage if you do not remap it or tune it correctly. Bikes running too lean or even too rich of a mixture can cause damage over time and also depends on driving habits.
@@provenpowercycles Big thanks. This is so informative! Ride safe!
@@provenpowercycles air filter alone is enough to justify a full tune? or only in combination with a full exhaust?
I find it interesting that the bike was running rich before tune, even with the open full exhaust. I always read that the bike would run lean and not rich when switching to full exhaust before tune.
Maybe with this bike you can do air filter without tune because it is running so rich?
A tune would be nice but I'm in Germany.
I do see though below 4k rpm it was actually running lean from stock already. with more open exhaust probably even more so. Is that not a problem? I once had the SC Project CR-T Slip-on (looks like the one in the video) with stock headers on my Z900 and I had this bucking that you described at around 3k rpm. seemed like it was running too lean even with stock headers. Now with less open slip-on SC1-R it's fine.
Very cool and interesting video, mate! 👍👍
@optikforlife yes ilwe are finding more and more of the newer generation bikes are actually pretty lean at low rpm and then very rich at higher rpms. Very odd to us as well! We can always do a bench flash as well to help you out! It should make it better for you all in all 🤙
the small silver part is just for smaller pipes it isnt the silencer im assuming the guy who sold it didnt sell it with the baffle
Red Line is with SC Project Open ?
I have a 24 Z900 and I bought a full SC project exhaust on eBay…. Turns out it was a fake however, my bike runs and sounds amazing…
I have a z900 im going to buy headers soon. Are the delkavic or Blackwidow better?
Why didn't you reconnect the O2 Sensor? Can you explain. Thank you. Nice video.
With majority of the bikes, leaving the o2 sensor in back feeds to the ecu and creates weird issues (such as bucking under light acceleration or just holding throttle steady). We remove the sensor from the main harness typically to ensure no back feed is possible.
However, on some of the new bikes, cruise control function is directly related to emission sensors now so we're figuring out a work around on that.
how did you do it? did you just remove whole sensor wiring from the bike? didn't you get engine error code? mine is 2023 model.
@@provenpowercycleshello i bought a z900 2023 with 95hp a2 model mine is bocking when i drive it at a constant speed kawasaki says there is nothing wrong with the bike but it doesn't ride smooth what do you think that it could be ?
@nogerts1974 we delete the sensor via flashing the ecu 👍
@gerryvanderperren5902 not sure, we would have to check it all out. There are so many variables when diagnosing issues.
i wonder if those weldings are going to hold on the long term.
I agree. There are definitely concerns regarding durability over the long run ! But so far so good lol
I've seen yosh and other well known brands with only 3 to 5 hp gains. Wow
greate work you guys :) do I need to tune my z900 2023 se if i replaced the full exhaust system?
Yes we recommend that to pretty much any bike with a full exhaust system. Airflow changes drastically and needs to be compensated in the stock ecu mapping.
Do you offer mail in ecu flash/tune?
It's around 60 dollars here in my region
Great and awesome review are y’all in Cali? .. I have a R7
Hi there! Will it hurt my z900 if i cut the BREADBOX and just leave the CATALYTIC converter as is --- "without tuning/remapping"??? Thank you.
Is the diameter of the headers bigger than the original headers?
Was this with the db killer on or off? Thank you
I would say the main reason name brand is expensive is the actual titanium material itself that makes the price crazy. these stainless steel systems are way cheaper.
is the bike completely stock except for the fake exhaust?
At the time of the video, I want to say yes.
Does an XSR900 typically run lean or rich? I am thinking about getting one of these for my 18 XSR 900
Can u share a link for it, I couldn’t find it
Hi there from Philippines! Will it hurt my z900 if i cut the BREADBOX and just leave the CATALYTIC converter as is --- "without tuning/remapping"??? Thank you.
Do they have the full exhaust for the kawasaki z900rs 2023 model ? If so can you send the link please 🙏 great video
Drop the link for it
I did my Kawasaki Z900 2023 model the same way to and it is badass let me tell Kawasaki Z900 is very fast now 😮😅.
Whats the link for your system? wanna upgrade my Z aswell :)
What do i think? I just ordered.
Link please?
Sorry, I understand little English. sc project fake full exhaust I gained 126 whp. with a 13 AFR mix. am I correct?!
13hp gain 113->126
Where are you located?
Saint Petersburg, FL
I put an ebay catback on my car and it sounded horrible. Lol. Had a muffler shop put in a magnaflow.
Ebay makes nothing.
That's just where vendors get your attention.
What ECU are you flashing? Stock ECU, Aftermarket ECU, or piggyback?
@@t3ch5upp0r7-nz2pn we are flashing the stock ecu.
I’m gonna be installing this exhaust on my 2019 z900 type b muffler hoping for the best spent 250$
Good luck, let us know how it goes
It’s doing the do forreal
You mind linking it ?
Link per acquisto?
If you know how to use taobao you can get full titanium exhaust for cheap
I have a eBay yoshi on my rs660 you can tune it for me
Sorry as of right now we're still testing aprilias. We don't offer a flash just yet for them
@@provenpowercycles ok hmu when you you have a flash for them I’d like to have you tune my bike
That muffler is about $20 in Southeast Asia.
So I can slap a full exhaust on my Z900 and not worry about a lean condition burning up valves?
I have a full system SC on my z900 for 3 years ive ridden around 10k miles with it, not a single problem runs just fine.. bit im getting it tuned soon
Shit I spent like $1,500 total for my Akropovic full exhaust. I still need to get it on a Dyno and tuned
I expect perfection for $300
😅😅😅
Tenhoa Uma Z900 2023 moro aqui em Portugal ..
Um SC project aqui esta custando 1.500 Euros.
No Aliexpress este modelo ai do video sai a 200 Euros, eu seriamente estou Pensando em Comprar
The quality doesn't so much matter. It cost $300, you could buy 3 or 4 and still spend less than on a real legit SC. If I get 1 year out of it for $300 I'm fine buying another one.
I need to bring you my z900. Was this just exhaust or air filter as well?
We're not entirely sure if he had a filter or not. If he didn't and you opt to put one in, you can expect another 1-2hp gain
Great company here to work with. Ill be heading here again with a gen 1 vrod.
Its not fake, Why? The materials of the original exhaust and the materials of that exhaust you tested were the SAME. The welding process used is also the same thats why you cannot say its fake but a COPY.....
Just paid 1043 for CRT 🤔
ugly?? thats ugly for you? what are your criterias? it looks perfectly fine to me 🤔
If the customer goes from and ebay slip-on to an ebay full exhaust. How did the spring for a professional to do the work? LOL. p.s real SC is for the same people that put Rizoma mirrors on their bike.
No idea all in all lol but I do know we are well known in FL for our tuning abilities and quality.
Hahahaa so in the end China is winning again 😂😂 who needs an expensive exhaust when you can get these gains for 326 dollars😂
We couldn't believe it ourselves. Insane 😅
i super agree
I put a similar SC slipon $90 with link pipe from aliexpress (on akra headers) on my z900 and the neighbours 1km away complained. Back to the shitty $1100 yoshi R77-s (i actually love it). I got 130bhp with the addition of a 18thou 0.45mm cometic head gasket and 76.6 ftlb. I think your dyno might be 1-2hp optimistic but it was an entertaining video.
On the contrary, this dyno is a heartbreaker.
Bravo🇮🇪
Ten for the price of one...... Chinese know what they are doing they just haven't gotten hungry yet...oh tho they are coming faster than most know.....😮
It's the fact that everyone has become greedy pigs feeding on huge profit margins.
Sell less, have less workers but make the same as if they were pricing fairly.
goes to show people the overhead on these exhaust system is 500% ...China copies and perfects.the items....bikers that buy the real stuff are foo foo the perceived prestige ot so emotional