Pontiac Solstice - Sporty Cars No Longer Exist? Featuring Tesla Head of Design, Franz von Holzhausen
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- Donald Osborne goes for a cruise and chats with Tesla Head of Design, Franz von Holzhausen, about the 60s inspired, early 2000s, sporty convertible that he brought to life while working for Pontiac.
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Bought a Solstice in 2007 and have had a ton of fun in it. It still gets a lot of attention when I go somewhere with it
Take mine to car shows a lot. Gets way more attention than it should on paper.
these and the Saturn sky are great looking cars and that is timeless
Yeah the attention is for me kind of scary, to much stealing these days, but I love mine, is the Viper that I always wish to had in a smaller size.
Excellent content. I purchased the Sky Base and Redline a few years back and truly love driving them both.
I bought my 2009 Solstice GXP coupe 5 years ago as I fell in love with the looks. As Franz alludes, the "60s era" of sports cars, it reminds me of a high end sports GT of that time.
Yes. Cobra 427, E type, the first Mercedes SLs, the BMW 507. Those jumpy curvy elegant two seaters are my dream, and he nailed it. I love my solstice
In a less radical way...the solstice reminds me of my Austin-Healey, that I owned 50 years ago!...the Healey was also more of a 'sports GT, rather than a feisty sports car like those old Triumphs and MGs were, back in the day.
I miss Pontiac. Some of them were great cars. GTO, Trans Am, even some of the Grand Prix and Bonneville were lovely to drive and easy to own.
Great insights from Franz on the Solstice development. I think the Solstice is still one of the best looking modern roadster in modern times. As Don said, the form is just pure and graceful without the overdone body panels. Sky was nice, but now getting a bit dated due to the overuse of plastic chrome bits.
To those who complained about dropping the top, may I present you the Boxster Speedster. It takes quite a bit of finagling to work that little tent. Yet no one complained. Hmm....
If I have a Solstice or Sky, I'd just leave the top down all the time.
You hit the nail on the head when talking about the looks of the Solstice and the Sky. One of the reasons I chose my Solstice over the Sky my belief that the simpler form of the Solstice will prove to be timeless. The other reason is that the car was conceived as a Pontiac. But I'd probably be just as happy with the Sky!
I agree I like keeping my top down to much of a hassle having to deal with the trunk opening especially in Michigan where it is very humid & the top tends to stick & very hard to open & close properly plus I happen to think it looks alot better with the top down.
I agree I have a 2006 Solstice & I still get alot of compliments on it just wish the top was easier to put up & down! I actually resorted to using a queen size fitted sheet that covers from the windshield to the seats & a whole lot easier to take off & on! Lol
What a pleasant surprise! I expect Mr. Osborne to focus on higher end cars than the Solstice. The fact that he can appreciate the Solstice and see it as worth a post impresses me.
Thank you, it was fascinating listening to the Franz von Holzhausen interview. I particularly like him talking about his design inspiration for the Solstice, and staying on the project from drawing the concept to it going into production. The Solstice is definitely a pure design and that's probably why it continues to turn heads almost 20 years later. On the downside, we'll never know how the Solstice could have evolved due to the mismanagement of the brand by GMs CEO Rick Wagoner & his Board of Directors. BTW, just wanted to mention that GM did offer a tune for the 2.0 turbo that added approximately 30HP to the GXP 260HP. So 290HP, and was covered under its warranty.
Great piece. The interview was really enlightening. It’s interesting for Franz to mention Jaguars, as they produced cars that always resonated with me. I’m a Solstice owner and I think there among some of the most timeless, beautiful cars produced since the turn of the century.
I have an 07 Solstice GXP. Only thing I would change is I would have loved a folding hard top like the NC Miata. Great car, and it always puts a smile on my face!
Donald, considering your question about the 3 cupholders in a two-seater. It was Vicki Vlachakis, Franz's colleague at GM, who designed the interior of the Solstice. Her role is amply documented in Gary Witzenburg's "The Pontiac Solstice Book". Since Franz seems not to recall the matter of the cupholders, perhaps Vicki would. I think she is still in the design field. Cheers, Kent
Just bought one for 10.500 only 22k miles im excited for a daily driver
I worked in the Delaware solstice and saturn sky assembly plant that made these cars as a facility Manager and helped organize the first MECCA party. The people who owned these cars drove all over the country to particpate in this. I remember they had an issue that they could not fix on the convertable tops and it was the creases on either side. I saw a few hard tops with the removable roof panels, I thought that was a sweet look but the only problem was their was no room in the car for the roof panels so they made canvas inserts in case it rained and your panels were out, all in all it was a great desighn
This interview with Franz von Holzhousen put a smile on my face and helped remind me what I love about my 2007 Solstice GXP. Having read "The Solstice Book" I knew that Franz was inspired by the romantic open two-seaters of the 1960's and I love that he singled out the Jaguar E-Type as one of the leading images he had in mind. He must have thought also of the D-Type with its curvaceous fin blending rearward from the drivers seatback. " And why not two of those? - Perfect!" he must have thought. He goes on to explain that the "blisters/aerofoils" dictated a new design for a folding top and that an attempt to revise them into a more conventional trunk shape caused the whole design to fall apart. In this case the form is well worth the peculiar function of the trunk lid. It was also a joy to see how down to earth and congenial he is in sharing his insights and thought processes. I believe that the Solstice, like the E-Type, is one of the most enduring and satisfying sports car shapes to emerge in the last 50 years or so. He should be proud, as indeed he is, of this particular accomplishment. Thank you, Franz and Donald for perceptive and delightful interview!
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The best version of the Solstice was the Mallett version. Everything from an LS1, LS2, even an LS7! They use to bring the prototypes to local cars shows.
Mallet’s were very well done V8 swaps. Every so often one comes up for sale. Usually a Solstice which I don’t like as much as the Sky. However, they are performance bargains that fetch far less than they should.
I always bring my 2007 Pontiac Solstice to your cars and coffee shows!
Lovely looking roadster.
I have an 06. It's the love of my car life. I have had some great cars, but this one puts a grin on my face every time I turn the key.
I greatly enjoy the Donald Osborne - Jay Leno You Tube videos which generally feature high end cars. I subscribe to Linkage magazine and Sports Car Market, which also feature high end garage art. Just the same, it would be fun to watch Mr. Osborne critique less expensive cars as he did with the Solstice. Some of us prefer to keep our investments in a brokerage account instead of our garage. There are a lot of truly great cars that don't cost a fortune. More videos like this would be fun to watch. The Audrain Museum is certainly doing a lot of innovative things. Keep it up.
Thank you for your support Stephen!
I had my 06 for two years, love it. So much fun.
Pontiac Solstice was a wonderful start to the KAPPA platform, that reached perfection in the Saturn Sky Redline
The Solstice reminded me of the 60's British sports cars - maybe a cross between the AH3000 and the bugeye sprite in an updated design. Fun dependable car, great for commuting. Still have my 2008.
my wife and I went there last summer to meet you and jay , missed by a day :( .was really upsetting .. we took her 13 camaro ss/rs Manual lol ( which has 525 hp at rear wheels ) . the man that has the pet seagulls in the lot was so nice to us , let my wife park her car right in front of him and he watched it while we went in and enjoyed the also great group inside :) .. just so wished we could have met you both :) :) .. we are 65 years old and from central MA and have a beach house in N. Truro on the beach , maybe next time we will get the right day lol :) :) ....Great shows and cars :)
Oh how fun Donald! My first and last ride in one just happened to be in your neighborhood. When I came out to Newport, Rhode Island in 2007 to represent the William K. Vanderbilt Jr. Concours d'Elegance, John Rodman of the Preservation Society of Newport County (PSNC) drove me around in his brand new Solstice. I loved everything about the car and never understood why they discontinued the line. John reports he still has the car there in Newport and it's doing just fine, and still giving him great driving pleasure 15 years later.
I bought an '06 base Solstice a few years ago. I've added turbo and have a blast racing it at the auto slalom track. With a hitch, a motorcylce trailer, and a trunk rack it's no problem hitting the road and touring with it. Can't wait for the thaw here in the Great White North (Manitoba), it's time to cruise!
How much to add turbo? My Chevy Trax is my daily driver and I want a GXP for the turbo, but I will consider a base if adding a turbo is reasonable.
You have the best review on this beautiful car. Your thoughts and opinions are on point and very professional. I would love to own one of these.
General Motors should seriously contemplate bringing Frank on board as the head designer for Corvette. His innovative vision, coupled with his understanding of the supercar class, positions him uniquely to give Corvette an edge. In his capable hands, Corvette could truly transcend the current supercar paradigm and set a new standard of design excellence. This move has the potential to not just evolve but revolutionize the Corvette, cementing its place as a leader, not a follower, in the world of supercars. It's a consideration that GM would do well to entertain.
I have a 2009 and I love this car it is awesome
I'm a VERY enthusiastic Solstice GXP owner and will NEVER sell mine. Handing down to my daughter in 11 years. :)
I have an 08. It's my daily. I love it!
This was a very nice looking roadster. Also the Saturn Skye. I liked both. I didn't know they offered a manual trans. Mr Osborne looks cool man in this ride. Very nice meeting its designer. Poor Pontiac and Saturn. Gone but not forgotten. I don't know about Saturn. Lol. Thanks again Mr. Osborne. ❤💙❤💙👍🤑😝😎
Good interview with Franz despite the poor audio. It would have been nice to see more of the car's outside, dashboard and engine etc.
I couldn’t agree more . Bad lighting and audio is just amateurish. Then add 75 % of video is watching people talking about A CAR ! I think they are promoting themself is more of THEIR POINT .
Thats one of the oversights with their driving videos, you only see 1 or 2 angles of the car. There should be a brief walkaround at least.
Surprising since Donald does shows with Jay Leno. Jay will lift the hood and talk about the engine, show you the dash board, the trunk, how the top works ( if it's a convertible ) and put the car on a lift so you can see the underside. I can see Jay saying, " ya know Don, you should show the audience more details of the car, that's what they want to see." IMO.
Franz did an amazing job with the Solstice. I wish he could design beautiful looking cars again instead of boring, uninspired looking people movers. With the exception of the Cybertruck I like that but will it ever come? Who knows
Donald ausborn The car Guy. A lot you can learn from him
From pintos to Bugattis. What a great series
Still a great looking design today! A very different GM, a GM that actually took risks with design and offered a massive product portfolio in market segments other than vanilla mid-size crossover SUVs built this car. Solstice/Sky, SSR, the Hummer portfolio, CTS, reintroduction of Camaro, G8 were all examples of the final days of “Old GM”. Now we get 20 versions of the Equinox and the corvette.
You've hit the nail on the head! I've thought about this car for the past five years along with the Saturn too. I saw one yesterday and thought I need to find one.
Do it! Got mine recently. They’re totally worth it if you have spare change burning holes in your pocket
I bought a brand new Solstice GXP in the dark blue and loved it. I sold it a couple of years ago after I just got to old to for it. I hated they stopped making them. I think they are great sexy little sports cars. Great on gas unless you put your foot in the turbo.
I’m thinking of buying one when I get back home in Canada, wondering how old is too old to drive one? I’m 79 and just wondering.
I'm surprised he didn't talk about the gxp. the solstice is something that a guy on a lower income with two kids (me) could realistically aspire towards getting
My Solstice is like having a mini viper for me.
My mom and dad had pontiac cars back in the day and they ❤ love pontiac and myself love ❤ pontiac and the pontiac solstice is my dream car 🚗
I live around the corner from the assembly plant…it’s an Amazon warehouse now
But a drive in the Pontiac Solstice ruffles Donald’s bow tie. Oh the humanity!
My dad had a 69' Camaro and loved the the retro vibe of the Solstice while the Sky was my preference. Sportscars you could aspire to own without breaking the bank.
I always liked the Solstice, probably because I thought it resembled the Arnolt Bristol. Perhaps Mr. Osborne will get his hands on an AB one of these days, and tell us the whole "Wacky" Arnolt story.
I remember reading about this car in Popular Science and I believe the article said that this car was the first car designed completely on a computer.
Happy to see DO talking about cars mere mortals (LOL) can afford today, but for a comparable 2 seat roadster - the Porsche 986/987 Boxsters are far superior, IMHO. Flat six, two usable trunks, outstanding build quality, and sublime handling make it a better choice.
Fantastic car if kept well maintained.
Typical GM aging and definitely squeaks in places now but my GXP is astounding and I still love it.
Love my little orange GXP. She’s the best thing I own.
Im saving up for a red GXP automatic; gonna get it for my birthday🎉
Great video. Behind the scene design story was so informative. Loved it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
A guy here in my neighborhood has one that he brings to our annual car show in the Village of Rochester Hills. (MI) He takes it out only on occasion, and treats it like it's worth a lot more than it is.
My dad retired in 94, but if he hadn't, he probably would have machined some of the dies for the body of this car. -Unless, by then, die-making had already changed considerably....In my family's days, dies were machined differently than later on. In fact, I don't think in my dads time, hydroforming with a one-sided die was even a thing, in body dies. My dad, and grandfather, were both career-long die makers for GM. Fisher Body / Plant 18/19/Fiero in Pontiac. Between them, they machined many of the body dies for GM's most famed vehicles, from 1949, to 1994.
I bought my first solstice because it looked so much like my 356 porsche speedster.
I think it's fair to say that we Solstice owners are hungry for any tidbit of information about our cars. Especially about how the car came to be. I bought mine in 2019 and loving it. I have owned two Fiat X1/9s, each which I bought new in 1978 and 1985. I'm going to take issue with your reference to the Solstice as a "sporty car" and not a sports car. The Nissan 200SX was a sporty car. A Honda Prelude was a sporty car. The Solstice is a sports car like the Fiat X1/9 and other open top, two seat, ,rear wheel drive, manual transmission. Perhaps the automatic transmission option brings it into the sporty car classification, but even then I'm not certain about that.
I look at a sports car more in the classical sense. Not necessarily powerful, but rewarding to fling about. Low to the ground, not much extra space other than the seating for two. Difficult to go to the supermarket with. Convertible top.
If the Mazda Miata is a sports car, then so is the Solstice. Looking back to 2007, they performed about the same, and cost about the same, I'm not sure why you had to pin this unfortunate label of sporty car, on the Solstice.
It's a shame the recession killed the Kappa. I definitely see the Corvair, Camaro, Fiero, baby Vette DNA in the Saturn Sky. The Redline Sky is a bucket list car. Beautiful, comfortable, affordable, and fun too-down weekend RWD roadster you could even take to a track day.
I'm not an GM fan,,the only GM car I would buy would be a 'vette. Anyway,, I always thought the Saturn Sky,IMO,,was the better looking car. Haha!! You know about opinions and other body parts. Actually,,,they both look good. Great job Donald on this series.I enjoy them all.
Bought my 2008 Solstice 4 days ago! Am having a lot of fun! Blame the B&B’s from GM corporate for the loss of cars like this! If they were half as good as they made themselves out to be they would have been able to save cars like this and the sky! B&B = bean counters and bozo’s!
I'd drop an LS3 in that thing and really have some fun.
I anxiously awaited the introduction of this car. I had a 1993 Mazda Miata and thought the Solstace or Sky would be a great upgrade. To my shock, the Solstace has a fatal flaw IMHO. If you want the top down you need to clear the trunk. Why on earth would you have to keep the top up if you wanted to travel with luggage? Grand Touring? I bought a 2005 MX-5 instead.
The top could have been done better, for sure. The Solstice top is a bi-fold design and the Miata (like most) is a tri-fold. A tri-fold design will fit is a smaller space. That being said, I have a trunk rack for my Solstice that attaches with hi-grade suction cups. It really helps when travelling.
Three cup holders are needed, one for water, one for cold drink, one for hot drink.
I have a2006 BLACK BEAUTY SOLSTICE, WE drove every summer from CANADA to HILTON HEAD ISLAND every year for a month
For years . Driving thu the mountains was so much fun !
We would shrink wrap our clothes and get it all in the trunk . It was a fun time !
Still go on road trips , LOVE OUR SLICK LITTLE ROADSTER CRAB !
IT STILL LOOKS SHOWROOM .
I also have a 2006 GRAN PRIX EXECUTIVE SEDAN 3800 SUPER CHARGE ,LOADED .
I MISS PONTIAC !
Bob Lutz was great! I loved my Pontiac. R.I.P. !
Tragic how the demand for the sporty roadster is extinct today.
THIS IS A GREAT INTER VIEW !!.IVE HAD 3 SOLSTICES, 06,07GXP,09 COUPE.THE 06 IS GONE NOW.SOLD TO MAKE ROOM FOR A NEW TRUCK.
Thanks for bringing the Solstice story to light. Why 3 cup holders? 2 Drinks an a bottle of water for those who don't like drowning in a soft drink.
I wanted a bigger Kick in the Backside so I got the GXP. My problem is I just moved to a state that requires a license plate up front. Any advice or suggestions will be appreciated.
Great video and content.
Oh..please let’s feature an Opel
You can't get a modern opal even something from the early 2000s in the US we never got opals we got a couple Saturns that were basically opels
I had an Opel Cadet 2 door gold color rack and pinion steering around 1978 or 1979 or so great car...
I loved Saturn Sky more than the Pontiac Solstice.
From 0:01 until 8:43, I was amazed at the sound quality of Donald's voice. While in a moving convertible, his voice was crystal clear... with not even a hint of wind noise. Then came the interview at 8:44 ... What a disaster both the sound and video quality were from then on. You should have just done the interview from inside the car, Donald.
Unfortunately the interview had to be recorded on Tesla’s end. We had no control over the quality of video or audio.
There is a black Pontiac Solstice parked under a tree in a neighboring town... it's been thee so log that it is covered in mold and algae... it's a damn shame. 😱
Go and save it!
Wow, what a video!
Glad you liked it!
I’m on the list for a Cybertruck but I’m secretly hoping they surprise us with a shorter 2dr version because that’d fit in my garage. C’mon Franz don’t let me down!!
The advertisements at the beginning of your segment discourages a lot of people from watching your segment when you have 30 seconds of advertising before it starts
How many UA-cam videos do you watch? They are ALL selling something! At least here it’s just themselves.
@Mike Matson a lot,very few drone on with two pr three commercials in the beginning.
This is why they put the LS2 into the SSR
Re: fundraiser, next time highlight donation button near right end --$50 or even $100. Honestly, the lower default today gave me an excuse to rethink, downward, my contribution
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Damn shame that GM couldn’t get more use out of this platform.
It was so disappointing to see Pontiac go away as they began to do better, bring out better vehicles such as the Solstice and GTO mentioned and the G8 which was another Holden. Also Saturn as it began selling cars sold in Europe which the media was asking GM for years to sell here including the Sky as mentioned here. The cars Saturn startex selling were actual import beaters which is what the brand was created to do. Instead they kept boring Buick per the USG which does really well in Asia, but terrible in NA.
cool car but had trouble sitting in it , a bit short for me.
Now, Drive a GXP, and then a GXP with the GM Tri-Fecta tune.
A friend had one, the four cylinder. I have a ND MX-5/Miata so did some comparisons. I can put the top up and down in seconds and it doesn't take up any space in the trunk. Not so with the Solstice. And even the ND1 is faster than the Solstice four cylinder. Neat looking car though.
You’re comparing a 10 year old design to the ND. NC1 is it’s competitor. Yeah the trunk thing sucks but it’s all about the design esthetic plus they had almost no time. The Miata had been an absolute institution for 16 years at that point.
I think the Solstice is Franz' best looking car, and the Roadster 2.0 is the worst. The other Teslas are all in the middle (S, X, 3, Y) and all look like dolphins!
(Btw, I had a Model 3 and now have an X, so I'm not an adversary to the brand!)
it's tesla coupe not roadster :)
It’s a shame that the convertible top for this car and its Saturn twin, the Sky, was so poorly designed. If it had a simple pull up top like the Mazda Miata, it would have been a world beater.
I can put my top up in just a few seconds. It’s pretty easy once you get the hang of it.
@@frankangelo7336 I'd like to see that
@@gerarddion4859 pop the deck lid, pull up the top, fasten the latch, close the deck lid, snap the 2 wings. It takes as long to do it as it just took me to type this. What’s so difficult?
The poor fitting convertible top made it look like a kit car. Typical GM execution. I really pull for GM, but they often let you down. The 'vette is an exception.
my tops all fit fine. and do not leek. solstice is just a 3/4 scale vette.
BMW front fascia
it's a rea; shame that pensky was blocked from buying the kappa plant/car production and keeping them going....that sale alone would of helped out gm's mess.but biden needed the warehouse. thus the kappas are gone.
A front license plate should be eliminated. Such a beautiful profile spoiled by an unnecessary plate. I have removed mine.
We agree!
It is more like a Donald Osbourne monologue.
What could have been as opposed to what was delivered. The Solstice looked for a niche that doesn't exist.
Too bad that GM components were underneath. Otherwise it could have been a great car!
Too bad Bob Lutz left GM.
That 2.0 ecotec turbo is bulletproof. And can hurt feelings with a few bolts ons lol. My brothers has 270,000 miles and the only thing replaced was spark plugs, a cam position sensor, and a clutch.
What’s wrong with the components? Mine has been running flawlessly since 2007
Tesla head of design LoL! Easiest laziest job in the world? Nah, to be fair, he's got a lot of work to do. Hopefully the next generation cars don't look like GTA renderings.
I don't like it. Never have. Pontiac was so great they went out of business
Video to long to watch I gotta go to work. My sister's looking at one. How reliable are they?
Bob Lutz was great! I loved my Pontiac. R.I.P. !