Survival For The Budget Car Builder - DIY Transmission Rebuild From A Junkyard Core
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- Опубліковано 15 кві 2024
- With the cost of living running out of sight these days, it's becoming more and more difficult for the average guy to lay out big money on project car parts. One of the biggest expenses is a transmission and associated parts.
By starting with a basic junkyard core, a handful of tools and a weekend to kill, anyone can save thousands by going going through and rebuilding it yourself.
Here's a typical core transmission that we've torn down to assess it's internal condition and the steps and parts needed to bring it back to life. @kiwiclassicsandcustoms9160 @DrArtshotrodrehab
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Quick tip when looking for a core; if you are going through the pull-a-part, the car that looks clean and nice is NOT the one to get your mechanical parts from! If you can’t tell why it’s in the junkyard, it’s probably a bad engine or trans! However the car that is smashed, you can be pretty confident it drove to the scene of the accident! So while you should still consider any mechanical parts a core, especially on older stuff, odds are the one from the crashed car will need the least amount of work to get back into shape.
Absolutely Correct...
Hahaha.. drove it's self to the accident....
Beats,The .. well it Ran good,,
Until it didn't...
Bingo PAL 💯👍
This is a darn good point.
It ran well…
Until that #!!@!$ got in the way.
That is how I always did my junkyard shopping but like Uncle T said, consider everything a core. The reason I say this is because of the modern automotive invention(! DRUMROLL PLEASE!), The Auto Computer! I have seen dozens of automobiles, that with the correct electronic TOOLS and PARTS, they were still excellent automobiles. They ran great and looked VERY NICE!
Whether the owners did it or their mechanic ( Who WAS a TOP-NOTCH, Fix ANYTHING Mechanic from the 1970s-1980s) Gave the owner, the Deer in the Headlights LOOK from parts swapping very expensive and non-returnable electronic products. This great mechanic usually doesn't have the scanning tools or the knowledge of what any of it means.
Everyone has good intentions but your preacher will tell you (it applies to cars), the Road to Hell is paved with good intentions!
Buyer beware more than ever. Ya'll Take Care, John
There was a guy here on UA-cam from England, who posted a 17 part video or so showing you step-by-step how to take the 727 apart and rebuild it. I took my laptop out in the garage and used his videos to disassemble and reassemble/rebuild my transmission. It’s been every bit of 7 years ago, and that transmission is still going strong in my 72 340 Duster.
I watched the same series!
Bad Tree productions has a few 904 & 727 builds that they do for some of the cars they drive on the street & do some drag time at the strip . They had just done a 727 for the Death pumpkin that's using Cope transmission parts inside manual valve body & trans brake . They seemed to do a good job on showing everything in the rebuilds and checking clearances on stuff in steps and why they do this & even showed so of the home made tools to make things easier to do the tear down and rebuild process . So check them out because they are Mopar guys & some of the videos they do are hilarious at times picking on each other .
Ha haa, I decided to look for a 200-4R trans just yesterday, and found an ad, a used one $600, im like whoa that's high. So yup, parts are available, but not cheap. I'll stick to my 700R4 I got years ago and just buy a shorter driveshaft. But yeah, I'll take my chances rebuilding instead of ordering one.
They are better mechanics!! Than some of the clowns that call themselves mechanics over here!!!
God I love YT if only for this
Tony video idea cut that torque converter open and show the common man what's in there it's one of the most misunderstood parts on a car
It just a fan blowing at another fan causing it to follow along , it's not magic.
@@pisstoffcat5136 I know how it works never said it's magic but the avg person does not I've heard all kinds stuff like its the pump for the trans and other stuff
I know what's in it, but I've never seen it. I like the idea
When I was going to tsti and taking a transmission class , Mr. Rowe the instructor, put 2 box fans on his desk as a demonstration, he put them together and turned one on , the other one Started to follow. And he said see, it's not magic . Not trying to be a smart ass, just how it was explained to me.
And why a high stall converter is a different animal from a regular Torque Converter
When I needed a rebuild for my transmission, it so happened that a guy at work was getting his Chrysler transmission rebuilt at the time I needed one. He told me of an affordable shop that had a good reputation and a good price.
The shop owner and employees, a small shop, had heavy accents and I don't know where they were from. They were known for doing good work and affordably too. They were always going out of business and then starting up again at a new location. So, I got a rebuild in about 2010 for $1,000.00. Still working good today. What a rare deal.
Definitely rare!!!
Typical of skilled hands that don't know how to run a business for profit. They weren't asking a fairly high price for their quality work.
I have only rebuilt 1 automagical transmission and it was a TH350 form the u pull it with an engine attached. I bought a kit off evilbay for it which was a bigger kit than the $150 ish versions are, Kevlar band and a transgo reprogramming kit. It looks intimidating but with a book and taking it easy, it really wasn't bad and it 14ish years later still shifting great.
I rebuilt transmissions for 23 yrs before retiring. The earlier 3 speed automatics are the easiest things to build and troubleshoot.
Frustrating that something that mechanically works just fine and it gets a computer added to the mix.( 4l60, 47re, or the ford aod)
I have 4 4l60 trans that I have collected up in different states of disrepair. One with no 3/4 , one with 2nd or third gear only(also electrical connector falling into the trans pan), one that does absolutely nothing, and another that the guy just said was bad. Out of all 4 I hope I can make one that works, but all that computer jazz makes me question why I even like Chevy s10s
I like the Precision Transmission guy from Amarillo.
I liked his videos. Think he had some health issues
@user-io4rf4ml5e he's back doing videos under Richard and Teresa educational.
Guy is wizard a true pro , he forgot more then most no
I built my first trans when I was 17 years old. It was a 904 non-lockup. I have built dozens since then; 904s, 727s, M20/21/22, A833, Turbo 350, NWC and WC T5, AOD, 4R70W, 42RH, 46RH/RE. I can build all of them with my eyes closed. I don’t pay anyone for anything, body/paint, engine and trans builds, diff builds, you name it. Deep 11 second all steel, full interior street cars. My body and paint is show quality, and I’ve been building 727s on the side for the last few months for $1000 a job. Turnaround is 2-3 days. Easiest money ever.
100% right on the core subject. I tell people that and when they don't listen, they get burned. The cost and quality of "new" engines/transmissions is why I just build it myself.
P.s. Transmission repair man told the Penquin "Looks like you blew a Seal !😮 Penguin responded defensively " No ! That's just icecream ! 🍦"😊😅
Love that classic 😂
“That’s right folks, he’s here all night. Don’t forget to tip your waiter!”
I have been waiting for this video of big Richards trans. I have my 318 almost finished from my d100, now ready to go though the 727 transmission. Thanks
Another benefit of learning to do it yourself is you might like it and even if you stick to one manufacturer you can make some side money as the local mopar guy, or gm, whatever. Once the word gets out people will be bringing not only work but you'll find yourself accumulating parts that can be used for future rebuilds.
Learnt my lesson on the transmission the hard way by the time I bought 2 th350s had em in and out 4x then paid for a shop to rebuild it I could've just bought a new one
Been there done that. The disappointment is unbearable.
I bought my truck with a bad 47rh tranny and transmission bench taught me how to rebuild the transmission. Where was UA-cam 25 years ago.
I took a few vehicles to the dump because of bad a transmission.
You are so right. I bought a " built" trans from a big name outfit and it messed up and I got no satisfaction from them. After that I bought a good used trans and learned how to rebuild it and never looked back.
I remember when I went through shop class I was well ahead of the average city kid, being I grew up on the farm. While they were learning to put together a lawn mower engine I was rebuilding engines and transmissions. I put together a TH350C with a street kit for $250 and the shop made money as well as me. It's been a long time since I looked at a transmission. Mr. Transmission is gone. Rebuild kits are $250, a junker is $500 and a rebuilt OEM TH350 is $2000. Holy shit... A hopped up TH 400 is $5000 now. WTF is going on? I guess I better get into the rebuild business...
I rebuild autos on the side, meaning two every week. I'll charge anywhere from 1100 to 1600 depending on the trans and if they want any goodies like a shift kit or valve body mods. I average two grand a week in profits after my overhead. Do the math, that's a hundred thousand a year for sitting on my ass and playing with a giant erector set. I have an autoimmune disorder and can't stand for long periods of time, so this is perfect for me. Like Uncle Tony said, rebuilding trannys is a real drag but it's quick money and the demand is huge. I'd love to get into selling cores and parts but I don't have the storage space.
@@Whats-It-To-Ya You can make $100k on the side and you haven't expanded your operation?? You need to raise your prices a little and hire some help for low-skill subtasks like cleaning up cores and such. Build a proper shop.
I'm currently rebuilding a Push button A727, so far the experience has been great, a "built not bought" sort of build.
The build so far has been much improved from stock perameters.
So far i'm $1200 in parts, parts include:
4 pinion front/rear planetary
Front clutch drum with 6 clutch settup
Rear clutch drum with a 5 clutch settup
Thicker lug front pump gear
2000 stall converter
Trans-Go TF-2 Shift kit
Lightened sun gear shell
Drilled/modified case to allow ATF to reach the sprag for lubrication, instead of getting lube by "splash"
Blueprinted case.
Billet accumulator servo with no block rod.
Forward/reverse billet servos.
(Billet servos are necessary at time as the modified valve body pressures tend to crack the stock servos)
The best part about this job is i know what i did in the rebuild.
And as Tony has said: you can point to a part of a car and say, "i did that myself"
Best feeling in the world.
Did you go with the rear bolt in sprag by chance and if so how difficult was it to install ?
@@peteloomis8456 I didn't go with the bolt in sprag setup, just replaced the springs & rollers only.
I can't vouch for the bolt in sprag installment difficulty, but I don't like the idea of drilling more holes to accommodate new anchor points for the new sprag, just creates more areas where the case can get stress fractures/cracks to form.
One thing I did manage to learn was, the factory sprag outer race that is staked into the case very seldom shifts in their positions, they were really well staked, almost solid from the factory.
Disturbing the factory sprag race is asking for trouble, it hasn't moved for at least half a century, why disturb it's "tomb" now?
This A727 is going in a 1964 Dodge custom 880 behind a 361 big block,
(viewable on my channel)
It's one of the last Chrysler forward look full-size cars.
So it's a cruiser, not a racer really. It's important to have that distinction.
If you are constantly neutral dropping the trans and beating it up, sure a bolt in sprag "might" help.
I say "might" because the full force of the engine will not be stopped by a bolt in sprag, might I recommend a billet front drum?
As the front drum is the part that is allowed to over speed when the sprag fails and explodes sending shrapnel through the floorboards.
Do watch John at CRT on the explanation of A727 explosions.
All I'm implying is a bolt in sprag is a good investment, but there are other critical parts that need to be upgraded in conjunction.
But as a dominoes effect, Putting power through some weak/strong components will always find a weak link in the drivetrain.
It helps I have a friend who has been rebuilding transmissions for decades and has plenty of parts leftover. 😎
It helps even more if you`re that guy.
I been researching on a street/strip th350 I want to put together and was more than overjoyed to find that if one leaves a few well places seals out and drills a couple holes bigger you get the same performance as an aftermarket shift kit saving HUNDREDS 👍 the old school guys have been there done that without an aftermarket kit
And don't forget the old Ford type f fluid ,use that for a firmer shift.
If they still make type f?
If you've seen b+m trick shift fluid ,it's type f for your gm product and costs a fortune over type f.
See if you can scare up some type f ,it's like a shift kit in a bottle.
Been years since I messed around with that stuff.
I had one of those big name transmissions, went up in smoke in 54 miles 😂
Did they replace it?
@@digschopper9321 I rebuilt it with much better components
Thanks Tony. Invaluable information you provide.
Uncle Tony you are the motivation I need to be better and to do better. To try harder, to not give up. Thank you
I've done a few transmissions myself. I can tell you that the 904 and 727 are far simpler than any of the other brands. Considerably less parts in there to keep track of where they go. Also a stock replacement 318 727 torque converter will give you some stall behind a more powerful engine. I've used one with a 400 and 440 big blocks and they held up ok. Not super high hp engines but not stock either. Far cheaper than an aftermarket one if you are counting pennies. May have to knock the balancer weight off if you are running a forged crank. I think you can still buy the weight kits and template to weld weights on as well.
Back in the late 80's I had problems with my basic Street/Strip 727 TCI Trans. I had to ship it to them twice on my own dime because the Valve body kept mess'n up.
Good video uncle Tony
here in Australia if you have a common car like a Ford automatic
The rule of thumb is if you pull it out and put it in yourself
to get it rebuilt is 1000 bucks a gear so a very common six speed is six grand……….
And at that rate, you are still getting your hands dirty
I did my first transmission last year and I liked it because was something new. Now I want to build a rearend
It's obvious the rear diff is full of water and mud as well.
too much shit talk
Beautiful video. Would love to see an interview with Shane one of these days discussing converter basics.
Some of the odd ball tools and seal installers can be made on a 3 D printer. I found the info on line for one I needed and had a neighbor print it out. Ford wanted $200 or so for their "special" one. It worked great. I only needed it one time, but I still kept it.
UncTony, admit it, you have probably done it.
If you have a Good 220 volt Mig welder, you can cut the converter around the perimeter weld and modify the rotating fins that set the 'lock' or 'stall' of the converter. Use a Dremel tool and books or videos to id the part that you are modifying and weld it back like welding a home shortened driveshaft.
Weld a little spot, rotate about 180 spot again. Once you have 6 or so spots around the outside weld about 3/8 of an inch 5-6 times, then go to 1/2 inch welds until finished. If youre onley going for a 2500 rpm or so stall, piece of cake!
Or just get the converter out of a six cylinder equivalent trans. Anybody know if a 4.3 Vortec will go right in a 350/auto combination? I KNOW a straight six converter was the poor kids Stall for their 289 Mustang! Ya'll Take Care, John
I hope everything goes well with you and Kiwi, friends mixing business and such.
Excellent video T ! 😊 This is the kinda stuff we tune in for over and over ! Thank You 😂!
Thank you for being my teacher.
I'm glad you made this video. I just picked up a c4 transmission, and I paid $150 for it, and I hoped I did not overpaid for it, but that's what I plan on doing is having it gone through
I'm guessing core value might be the same or more.
As long as yours is good, it's being rebuilt like it would be anyway.
Know a bunch of hot rodders ...they always know whos got what, and the story on it..
Man the price of transmissions have risen in cost.
Tony, got any experience with MGBs? One of these could be a cool, cheap, “will it start” type video or an entire maintenance or electrical repair video. The carbs alone are unique enough compared to typical American stuff.
Obviously, they’re not fast but they have a similar appeal as a mini-bike/low powered motorcycle and are readily available.
Well... I do need this...
I problem is ... Space to work on it...
A904 ...
A much longer story is involved,,
I have two.. one in my Daily Driver 68 Dart...
The other is D.O.A ..
Keep on wrenching folk's..
🇺🇸
I rebuilt one in my barracks room, way back in 1985. Two Squids lugging a 727 up two flights got some looks.
@@barto6577 I would have loved to witness that! "What in the hey you boys up to?" ha ha! Love it!
Torqueflite's are really easy, I rebuilt mine in a weekend, had never done it before, did not need any special tools, a slide hammer for the pump, I cut a piece of wood and a C clamp for the clutches and a piece of printer paper to align the rear pump housing if it's a pushbutton, has worked fine so far for 10 years, and if I can do it pretty much anyone can do it. (big thank's to Torqueflite patty's help answering some of my stupid questions)
Transmission bench UA-cam channel is a lifesaver. Used it to build 2 of my own so far!
As a transmission guy for over 20 years best advice is take it apart and lay out in order .especially thrust bearings.
Easiest trans I ever rebuilt was a 727. Out of an old Dodge pickup 25 years ago. All in I was under $100 in parts
thank you for this its how i repaired several gm trans i got cores at the scrap yard and basically bought oh kits and a converter always worked out for me didnt need tons of money but cleanness and time again thank you youngsters need to know this
Send me some of those cheap cores!! Linkage shift Small Block 904 $600-800, SB 727 $1000ish for unknown condition cores down here. Slant 904s are scrap value, cable shift SB, remortgage the house.
Moved, shop isn't built yet, no pad, just dumped $5K on a "reman" (not counting labor) and I KNOW I could have rebuilt it stronger for less than 1/2 that, counting the specialty tools and a custom convertor.
But, until the shop's up, that what I have to do...
Great video, Thanks!
I have the fsm for the 1990 full size pickups with the diesel supplement.
Each operation lists the required tools with part numbers if they're proprietary.
The fsm for the 90 isuzu amigo says "use a suitable tool"
I rebuild a ford c4 in my garage learned some stuff and so far it still works
i am a professional transmission rebuilder for the last 40 years. i retired 2 years ago. TF8/727 was one of the best transmissions ever made. they are also one of the easiest transmissions to rebuild, but if you have never done one it will be very intimidating,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Thank you Tony. Another excellent and informative video
This video is so timely. I about had a conniption fit when I went to price reman AOD for my '66 F100, plus the reviews of most of the reman companies were horrible and not worth the $3000 gamble.. So I am entertaining the idea of getting a core from a salvage yard and try myself, except most salvage yards want $350 to $500. It may be above my pay grade to tackle an auto tranny rebuild but the only way to learn is to try.
I did this back in the day with Ford C-4. C-6 and FMX transmissions, as well as top loader 4 speeds, long before there was an internet and I had to rely on Chilton, Glenn's and Motor's repair manuals. And a kindly local dealer who'd let me photocopy manual pages. Lots of work, but well worth it.
The problems we're seeing in reman units are the same ones we will likely see using the parts to do it ourselves. We will save the labor but also might need to perform our own warranty work just the same.
We need decent parts like we had just 5 or 6 years ago. We complained then but it was 1 in 30 problems and it's 1 in 3 now it seems.
Tip, between the mostly same years you can mix a 999 with a 949 and a couple other parts from a 727. Max amount of power 500 horse almost 400 pounds of torque at 6200 rpm. I have mixed the 999 with earlier models as well. Extremely ridiculous second gear shift but can only take so much power and rpm’s before you blow the band or input shaft. With a custom input shaft and band that is hardened you can push it harder. Going into second my dusters front tires would come off the ground and without a torque box and a roll cage you will twist the frame 😂
John Cope is one of the most knowledgeable builders in the business! Glad you’re using him.
Too bad he's an angry old man that doesn't like answering questions
@@nickstephens2913 he’s a man’s man …don’t worry sweetie
@@nickstephens2913 never had that problem with him. He has always been a gentleman with me.
I've never been able to afford a transmission shop, after taking apart a transmission from a shop, they always seem to short cut somewhere inside. My 4l60e in my Ws6 has lasted over 150000 miles on my rebuild. They can be a pain to do, but comfort in reliability over the alternative.
I remember in the 90's TH 350,Th 400 ,C4,C-6,904 and 727 were rebuilt with 6 month warranty for $450 INSTALLED that would be just under $1000 today...Cheapest now is $2500 for those rebuilds and NOT re&re,thats $1500 more than the old days when money is converted but back then he removed the trans and replaced it.FWD cars were similar in price.
I always messed with cars bought/sold etc..I didnt mess with transmissions as he could have them done in 2 days,I was just too busy buying/selling and I rebuilt engines but never touched a transmission until 20 years ago..he retired and his shop went to crap with the new owner,prices went up and quality went down.
🗣The truth will set U free. Tony is a Motorhead.. not a Gearhead.
My direct clutches all look like steels lol all burned. No 3rd gear. First 3spd rebuild! Just mid way into it. Good vid T!
@6:00 those are classic mid south mud dauber pupa deposits in those trans cooler lines, not related to floods, or silt deposits.
Mud daubers will plug up any possible hole you can imagine that’s left exposed on a field car with their stinking larval deposits.
I still find it to be a welcome tradeoff to losing your entire vehicle to salt rot in the rust belt where I ran away from 20 years ago. 😀
Done there been that. Tony. Spot on!!!
I love building automatics.
A 904 with a wide ratio gearset, and a 4.2 lever.
Bump up the line pressure a bit (pan bolt 5/16") space between the bracket.
Seasoned with a slant 6 torque converter and it's pure f*n magic😊 on the cheap💰💰
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Good stuff Tony. I built a 75 440 motorhome engine for my 86 Ramcharger, stock 360 was good but not enough, being 4x4 i needed the output shaft in the big block 727. Everything in the small block is the same as the insides of the big block case. Put in a new converter and the excellent but gone through valve body from the small one, plus the governor. 5,000+ miles, everything is great. Had to use a cable conversion for the carb/throttle body lever. The kit part for the carb was too short in terms of leverage, so I had to modify that longer to get equal movement on both ends, like a stock one has. Gotta watch those kits, every one I`ve seen on a Mopar/727 couldn`t be adjusted correctly because they make the carb bracket too short. Course Im` running a Thermoquad that is absolutely the best carb ever.
Love your channel
Got a 2000 Chevy S10 4.3L Auto
Just spent $2500 on a transmission from AutoZone.
$350 core charge but I called GM first because the price for GM is $2300+core charge $350 but GM right now is nation backorder for the 4L60E.
Pulling the motor and trans as one unit and going to refresh the motor while it's out. Going to paint the motor and trans (Which was a great video you did on painting motors) and put the motor and trans back in as one unit. Never getting rid of this truck. Great trucks and worth the money to fix.
I had about a dozen Mopar valve bodies just sitting around taking up space and I was going to toss them out. But I decided not to, I found a strictly Mopar transmission guy years ago and handed them to him. He thanked me.😊
This was great..
When I was broke.. I was tired of buying crap transmissions. Then in 2002 I got a kit for a th350 ordered for 60 bucks. Drove it 2 years thereafter.
I used a piece of all thread two chunks of 1x2 pine and a small chunk of 4” pvc pipe in place of Chryslers tool to compress that 16:37
I just bought a 241 red ram, 54'. Im having a hell of a time finding parts and information on it.
Love hearing from a fellow DIYer!
I worked in a transmission shop in the early 90's and used to rebuild all those older ones and I'm like you.....I HATED IT but it kept the bills paid and kids fed! Give me engines all day long! And you're exactly right because with what a rebuild costs nowadays even if you find someone local to do it its way cheaper to do it yourself....and you know what you're getting!😉
I’m rebuilding a 66 Barricuda, 904 , it shifted great, fluid clean. Got some seal leaking. Advice welcome.
I used a cheap ball joint press from Harbor Freight to replace the bushings.
Great advice man really appreciate it.
I recently put a 5-speed behind my flathead Ford in a 1949 F1. I got a junkyard 84 S10 T-5 and a rebuild kit. I took it out and reinstalled it 4 times after finding out a slider wasn't "good enough". But, it saved me thousands of dollars and I got to spend lots of quality time under my pickup.
Great video yes it is very true about you working on your vehicle and happiness in telling everyone you fixed it yourself 😊😊😊
My 75 280z says thankyou and hello
Great info.
Well stated Uncle Tony. I'm going to rebuild my first rv2 compressor for my 69 Roadrunner. I wanted a backup core and got lucky on Ebay. I spoke with the seller and he said the compressor turned over smoothly by hand, with no binding. The compressor came without the clutch/ pulley assembly, so he was turning it by the crank snout.
I tried it myself when I received it, and it turns as smooth as silk. You can hear it pumping as you do.
I feel a lot better about this project knowing that I have a good backup core. In my case, let's just call it insurance
great advice
You've given me the desire to do one myself. A few other guys online are saying similar to what you are. :)
Buy a book on how to rebuild your transmission. Then watch videos. It's not as difficult as people rumor. diesel fuel makes a good cheaper than mineral spirits solvent. After you clean and de-bur each part wrap it in a masking type paper or news paper. I think there are less parts in a 3 speed auto than an engine. I was surprised how easy they were to rebuild. "NO FEAR"
I learned how to do them at UTI years ago. But I couldn’t find a decent job as a mechanic, mostly because everybody and their brother moves to AZ and they had experience that I didn’t. So later on I didn’t have the money to buy tools, but working in Auto Parts I could get a trans rebuilt for $150. this was in the late 70’s, and when I left the industry I had one rebuilt for $300.00, and it was in a front wheel drive car. Removing the trans was a lot harder than a rear wheel drive car. I left Auto Parts in 1997, 20 years after I got into the field. Since I left the DIY craze had subsided and now the guys buying muscle cars and cars of that era are paying others to do everything to restore their restored or restomod cars. Now everything is going for retail. Prices have gone through the roof, because these guys spend everything they can think to get things done for them.
They're intimidating as hell 😂 I got lucky when my Vette 700R4 took a shit...an eBay Vette salvager sold me a later model fully functional unit for $150... luckily for me he doesn't dick around with selling/shipping them on eBay
was that guy in eastern nebraska?
Needed to change to a short tail housing on a car big block 727, for a pickup, using parts from the small block 727. Talked to a few back woods tranny shops. What struck me was how utterly stupid some of these guys were. Figured I could do it myself, that was 30 odd years ago. No UA-cam then, a service manual was about it. Done a bunch of transmissions since included the M41 4sp and J Type Laycock de Normanville overdive for the 66 Volvo.
Take your time, read everything you can before you start. Nothing on an old car is rocket science.
I got a broken 4 speed from a friend, while I was in high school. Went to the dealer bought some bearings, syncro rings, input shaft and a gear. For 1/3 of the cost of rebuilt had a very solid transmission
Uncle Tony's Garage, This made me laugh so much! Thanks for sharing!
Love ya Uncle Tony.
Perfect timing...
_WHAT!_ It's insane!
I am progressing on the drivetrain for my '33 coupe with small Hemi. I needed a trans & remembered the 727 that has been under the bench for over 40 years. I took it to the only Chrysler trans specialist within 400 miles from me. It wasn't cheap, but with replacement valve body [the old one had been modified, who knew?] complete rebuild including some hard parts & a sprag clutch upgrade, with 'towing package' kit & a new B&M entry spec performance converter & new deep oil pan. I was up for $3.5k Au. That's about $2,200US which was acceptable [like it or not] keeping in mind my situation. It'll be just the ticket behind my 325 Dodge Hemi.
To this day I don't remember how I got it, & the other 727, also under the bench.
I've swapped torque converters but I dread opening up the transmission. Luckily I deal mainly with XJ jeeps so rarely do I have trans issues but pick/pull/marketplace keeps things moving if needed. With the AW4 trans it seems high mileage stockers are more reliable than rebuilds.
An old guy ran a small shop near me .he was always dirty ,slightly drunk but worked evert day .i had a c4 i needed rebuilt and stopped to see if he could help .he said you take it out,put it back...bring trans and converter...gave me an address to get the kit ,bought it ...charged me 50 dollars and 1 12 pack of beer to rebuild it ....i picked it up 3 days later .looked absolutly brand new ...best trans i ever had ,still working great 25 years later .i take him a 6 pack every once in a while .....great guy
One place not to buy a transmission from is Monster Transmission.They do not do what they claim to do.A local transmission repair shop in my area has found this with no upgrades done.One thing to with an used transmission is pull the pan and inspect.I pulled the pan off an used 4L60E once,pan was full of clutch material
I put a Muncie M21 4 speed in my 1982 V8 S-10. I pulled it out of a rusty '69 Nova that had been sitting under a shed on a farm in the AZ desert for decades. No indication it had ever been apart. I had it rebuilt and slightly modified by a local place (not nationally known) I put just a little over $3K into it, and it has been working just fine for the past 7 years. I think you can get much better quality and a lower price locally (if you are lucky enough to have a local place that works on vintage transmissions) than you will from some big name place that does everything assembly line style.
Modern transmissions are a different deal. I can get a rebuilt transmission for my 2006 Ford Crown Vic transportation appliance for under $2500, and the quality is going to be good. A big part of the problem with vintage transmissions is the lack of good parts. ALL new parts are going to be CHINESE, which is just another way to spell JUNK.
I would definitely get a pan with a drain plug, and change the hell out of that fluid. I can drain about 5 quarts of the fluid out of my Crown Vic transmission through the pan drain. But there is like 13 quarts total in there. Which means 8 quarts won't come out. Fords used to have a drain on the converter, but they no longer do. I change the 5 quarts every 9,000 miles, then drop the pan and change the fluid and filter every 27,000 miles (I change the engine oil every 3000 miles) I rack up miles like crazy on this thing. It's up to 384,000 miles, and the engine and transmission have never been apart. It's my daily beater. It gets abused. But just look how far it's gone with regular maintenance.
I've always rebuilt my own automatics. You can buy all the plates,bearings and seals for a small fraction of the cost of a "rebuilt" (yea,right) trans. I've done many in my time, first one a 727 when I was 17, did it for my 383 six-pack I built. I'm 65 now and just finished the A340 for my Cherokee. I don't trust transmission shops ..... do it yourself, you'll know what's in there.
my brother just did a garage rebuild on a 4l65e for a gto. on the dyno it put 700 down and held together. the core he used was built by a shop cost big money and poo pooed on the dyno
Shane from TCI who sold u the wrong custom converter for Slaghamer?😂
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While I was building a 360 to swap into my v6 Dakota the stock trans died. I needed to upgrade the trans from 42re to 46re anyway to handle the power. I couldn’t find a core and the local trans shops were no help so I bought a “built” trans from a well known internet company, paid for upgrades to handle 500hp. It took 2 months to get and now installed its junk. Brings new meaning to the term “slush box” the warranty department is impossible to deal with and because I installed it myself basically voids any warranty. Even though I was a ASE/GM certified mechanic for many years. If you have the capability to do it yourself do it. At the end of the day YOU are really the only one you can count on!
Rebuilt a TH350 with some direction from my dad, and an old B&M rebuild/performance book. Boy did I feel like a wizard when that thing worked. Accumulator did leak like a sieve though and couldn’t get it right, took it to a local transmission guy who seated it in about 5 minutes. Became friends with said transmission man, learned that they really become specialized in that field, he could diagnose things in his rebuilding procedure that I wouldn’t have picked up on. If trans rebuilding seems too intimidating, don’t be afraid to see a local independent transmission guy. That’s where to get your transmission rebuilt correctly, not these mass market reman transmission companies.