CHRISTIAN ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW BUT...
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
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Ron Simmons is a strategic communicator and teacher of the scriptures. He is the founder and lead pastor of Designer’s Way Christian Church in Tampa Florida and he is the author of Better than A Christian.
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He holds a Bachelor of Arts degree in History from the University of Massachusetts and a Master of Arts Degree in Theological Studies from Liberty University.
He is married to Yvette Simmons and they are the proud parents of four children, Jesse, Jasiri, Jayden, and Jeila Simmons.
6:05 chain’s offering was in sufficient, not in percentage/quantity/amount, but in QUALITY. He didn’t give the best of what he could have.
I agree with this, except you should consider the fact that whether percentage, quantity, amount, or quality, all are quantifiable measures. God’s point in reference to Cain, was the measure was not an ample expression of gratitude in appreciation for what Cain had received. Let’s remember there was no law, no commands had been given, God hadn’t yet requested the first, or the fattest, or anything else. This helps us to remove foolish arguments about animals, grains, or dollars. I could be wrong, in fact, if you’re a farmer I’m definitely wrong, but I’d guess your last pay check was neither animal, nor grain, yet hopefully you see God as the source of what you received. That being the case, the breath He gave you, the strength and intellect you use to do your job; the materials that make up everything you use to get dressed for work, go to work, and do the work, were all created by Him… and there should be a degree of appreciation that you’re willing to express to the creator for what He has provided. The question I’m answering in the video is, not what you’re obligated by the law to do but what would be “good” to do and the law, always tells us what is good. You’re free to give what you’d like, and hopefully, with your faith being in Christ, you won’t be judged on what you give… but does the absence of judgement mean we should shoot for less that good? I hope not!! Thank you so much for watching and engaging!
The minimum is 10% (tithe)? That contradicts “according as he purposes in his heart” (2 Co 9:7). God desires the right attitude, not a percentage. The argument on tithing (10%) is not about whether Christians should give, or even give generously. We should. The argument on tithing (automatic 10%) is regarding whether there is a 10% mandate to give to church under the New Testament. There are no scriptures to support this. And remember, when Jesus spoke about it, He was speaking to Israel which was still under the Law (Gal4:5).
I think somehow, you've missed the point of the video. I agree with you that the argument on tithing is about an automatic 10% as a mandate. In essence, I’m stating that this argument is mute! My argument is two-fold; first some argue that because tithing is in the law that what the law states has zero value. The scriptures I referenced challenge this perspective. Though Christians are not under the law, that does not change the fact that the law was, is, and will always be “good”. Second, there are no mandates for Christians, which is why the law still has value. If a believer is wondering what a “good” amount might be… then 10%, which God, commanded of Israel, is a “good” reference point, because the law is good. Lastly, you must always be clear about context. In 2 Corinthians 9 the Apostle Paul is encouraging the Corinthian believers to give to the believers in Jerusalem who were being persecuted. Paul wasn’t talking about a regular offering, though he was encouraging the Corinthians to put away regularly. Thank you so much for watching and engaging!!
I appreciate the discourse too, but I humbly say there are no scriptures to support relying on the Law for a good “minimum” for giving. The Law is good and holy, but no one could obey the Law since it had to be obeyed in the flesh. Jesus Christ set those who were under the Law free from it (Gal 4:5) to be led by the Spirit (Ro 8:14) and not come back under that yoke of bondage of trying to please God in the flesh with 10% minimum mandates. Jesus told the rich young ruler who obeyed that “good” Law to sell all he had and give to the poor. He walked away sadly. After the early church received the promised Holy Spirit, they sold all they had and shared it with one another Acts 2. This was not a mandate and Peter told Ananias and Sepphira that the money was at their disposal. There is no New Testament support for a 10% minimum. I believe you have the Holy Spirit and He will lead you also. So I’m giving a little push back so that perhaps He may free others reading the thread. God bless you.
@@purview4012 I think this will give clarity to my point: Nearly 40% of Christians give nothing at all (2024 Gallup poll). Surely you wouldn’t tell these Christians that giving nothing toward the kingdom and work of God is “good” or “right”, citing freedom from the law as your reference, or better yet, citing 2 Cor 9, …giving "what your heart purposes to give". As it stands 40% of hearts purpose to give nothing! (we could go deeper into these stats and genuine regeneration and conversion).
This is why I referenced Cain’s offering in my video. The beauty of the first four chapters of Genesis is it shows God’s original intent for humanity and basic expectations from humanity apart from the law. Cain and Abel’s sacrificial offering is literally the first worship we see in the Bible. So, when God makes his statement to Cain about doing what was “right” and “sin” crouching at his door and desiring to have him, there is no law, no religion, just a very clear expectation from the creator concerning what was right around sacrificial giving. This helps us to see Cain’s issue was not a matter of law or religion, but rather a matter of what is universally right or wrong, which was also true of murdering his brother. In fact, this is the power of that narrative, Cain failed in what was universally matter of right and wrong on two fronts. So, then apart from the law there is a right and wrong concerning sacrificial giving, like there is a right or wrong concerning murder, apart from the law.
The new testaments scriptures urge us to give generously. Jesus himself uses the term “rich toward God” (Luke 12:21) … Is 1% generous or rich toward God? Is 2% generous or rich toward God? How can someone measure what is generous or rich towards God? Again, the law, which we are not bound by or judged by, gives us a great reference point. The statement, “there are no scriptures to support relying on the Law for a good minimum for giving” is a bit inaccurate in the face of Romans 7:12 which clearly teaches that the law is good and holy, without singling out and excluding the tithe from the text, which is odd as the tithe is in the law, so like the rest of the law, it is holy and good. I’m not suggesting that someone breaks the law, or live by the law, or is obligated to the law by looking to the law as a reference for what is good to give. If you’re arguing no percentage matters at all I would point to Cain who was not under the law and gave more than nothing but whose offering was rejected by God. If you’re arguing that 10% is not “best” the scriptures say that’s right! If you’re arguing that 10% is not “good” (is somehow bad) that is incorrect, as the law and commands are good and holy. - Again, I deeply appreciate your commenting - Hopefully the algorithm appreciates it as well.
Once again, Christians should give. That is clear under the New Testament. There is no New Testament reference to 10% being a minimum and Christian suggestion to refer to the Old Covenant for a good minimum on giving. The Law was good and only fulfilled by Christ. Believers are now led by the Spirit. God knows a person’s generous heart and their situation. No man can tell another what a blanket minimum on their generosity is.
@@purview4012 Appreciate you my friend.