@@flackenstien randomizer control doesn't use much infernity. Also it goes against the archetypes own playstyle making their own cards miss timing. So imma assume YOU'VE never seen randomizer control.
Gage is some guy with End Game Focus i should say. When he mess up in few questions at the beginning then he become serious for couple questions in the end. Thumbs up man!
For question 5, it doesn’t make sense because you are able to use the reptilianne synchro with brave eyes to floodgate your opponent, and the reptilianne chains to your opponents monsters to change their atk to 0, meaning that their atk isn’t 0 when they activate the effect, but rather at the start of resolution
Honestly, the problem is cards with "gain" effects that also have ? stats. Mathematically, it doesn't make sense. You cannot add to an undefined value to get a defined value. This is why they "need" to treat ? as 0 because otherwise, their poorly written effects won't work. Ideally, any ? stat monster that has a stat modulation effect *must* be the kind that sets the stat to a value. In other words, the effect defines the undefined value. Treating ? as 0 is a contradiction anyway since 0 is still a defined value, the opposite of undefined.
@@MansMan42069 as it was brought up in the video, the original value of monsters with ? stats is treated as, “becomes/is set to,” 0 while it is on the field, unless its effect modifies its original attack. It is all wording that means the same thing in this case, so there is no contradiction. I will say that it does make things less clean cut, and gives rise to more complicated rulings, although the alternative has its own issues.
@@VGM7217 That's my point. It's because of the actual mathematical contradiction that _requires_ these undefined stats to be treated as 0 because otherwise, they wouldn't work. In order to make it work, they needed to plaster a workaround by saying "? Is 0". If a value is x and I add 100, that value is x + 100. I cannot give you any other value because I don't know what x is.
@@MansMan42069 the thing is, requiring it does not make it a contradiction. You said it yourself, in order to solve an equation with a variable, we are required to know the value of the variable. How we know it is based on information we are given, and here we are told that the variable is 0. As such, we know the value of the variable. How does that contradict anything? In all honesty, it follows the same equation that everything else follows, X + Y₁... = Z. Here X is the original stat, Y₁... are any stat gains/losses, and Z is the final state value. We are always given the value of X, under normal circumstances it is simply written on the card. In the case of ?, we are told the value by another source, through the cards effect or game mechanics (both of which only apply while on the field). No matter what we are being given X and any Ys, while we are solving for Z. So your equation X + 100, would be X + 100 = Z, and we are given that X = 0. So we end up with 0 + 100 = Z, and solve for Z = 100. It is the same as any other question with variables involved. Sure, not every problem will just give you variables, but if you are meant to get a defined value they will. Here we are given all the variables we need to solve the problem. What is the issue?
@@VGM7217 It very much is a contradiction. An undefined value is very much not defined. It cannot be both defined and undefined at the same time. And you have it backwards. We require those effects and game mechanics because without them, it remains a contradiction. Which means my point still stands. Still a contradiction which can only be "reconciled" with a band aid solution. Literally handwaving away the problem instead of solving the underlying cause. So yeah, nice try, but no.
Hey Coder, just a suggestion for future episodes. It might be interesting to see a scoreboard with each contestant on it at the beginning/end of these. I'm imagining something similar to how top gear used to have their celebrity lap scoreboard.
Honestly, the problem is cards with "gain" effects that also have ? stats. Mathematically, it doesn't make sense. You cannot add to an undefined value to get a defined value. This is why they "need" to treat ? as 0 because otherwise, their poorly written effects won't work. Ideally, any ? stat monster that has a stat modulation effect *must* be the kind that sets the stat to a value. In other words, the effect defines the undefined value. Treating ? as 0 is a contradiction anyway since 0 is still a defined value, the opposite of undefined.
On question 5 I feel like its important to know if the brave-eyes was summoned BEFORE the broadbull was summoned or AFTER the broadbull was summoned since if it was summoned before broadbull then yes you are correct however if it was summoned after broadbull it wouldve reduced attack to 0 and since its a lingering he wouldnt go back up and it would be negated thus making gage correct (for the wrong reason but still correct) now im not a ruling master or a judge but i am 99.99% sure that this simple explanation would work out the way i described it cuz i was with gage on that one assuming that you chose brave eyes specifically due to the attack mod effect + negate
Schiggys with either code talker or Crystal Beast, GiantSkyhawk with Fluffal or Dino, Yatalocked (idk what deck since salads have been done before), Hailey(regret_mech) with plants, Revzcards with Melffy or Dragon Link.
lol imagine trying to remember what zoodiac barrage does after that weird banlist where they banned it for no reason after people stopped playing trizoo after drident was gone
Final question 100% shouldve had over 8k atk on boarbow so it would just be a lethal hit without getting a chance to activate. Also good on gage for getting all the hard ones correct.
The way ATK and DEF changing effects work is kinda whack. A continuous but updatable effect like Zoodiacs should continue to update after they have been set to another value. Like, say you have Subterror Speleogeist out with 2 Set monsters and a Cave Clash, boosting it by 1000 ATK. If you activate Final Battle and set its ATK to 4400, it makes sense that the 1000 from Cave Clash gets overwritten, but.. what if a 3rd Set monster hits the field? My brain tells me it should be at 4900, but it will instead stay at 4400, afiak. We need Layers for stat changes.
Honestly, the problem is cards with "gain" effects that also have ? stats. Mathematically, it doesn't make sense. You cannot add to an undefined value to get a defined value. This is why they "need" to treat ? as 0 because otherwise, their poorly written effects won't work. Ideally, any ? stat monster that has a stat modulation effect *must* be the kind that sets the stat to a value. In other words, the effect defines the undefined value. Treating ? as 0 is a contradiction anyway since 0 is still a defined value, the opposite of undefined.
I’m asking Cimo these questions asap I hope he gets less than me
Lmk how he does!
can't wait until MBT reacts to Farfa reacting to Cimo's answers
Hope he does
So bad that mind gaming him is easier in prog so you beat over him with the Glizzy, the Gladdy Daddy.
cheater
The funny thing is cimo did terrible on his next appearance on the show.
Does he know the special ruling that allows him to search verdant sanctuary with terraforming
“Damn I lost another week”
This will continue no matter where he goes huh
When is that said?
"Archetypal cards would freakin' work together, right?"
*Infernity Randomizer enters the chat*
Someone never saw Randomizer Control.
@@flackenstien randomizer control doesn't use much infernity. Also it goes against the archetypes own playstyle making their own cards miss timing. So imma assume YOU'VE never seen randomizer control.
@@billyjean8176 _laughs in Randomizer Control player_
@@flackenstien yeah you aren't. I like those 6 infernity cards you play with 33 spell/traps. Archfiend missing timing is my favorite interaction 😂
Infernity Randomizer: "hold my beer"
I would live to see The Duel Logs answering spriggans rulings
Gage is some guy with End Game Focus i should say. When he mess up in few questions at the beginning then he become serious for couple questions in the end. Thumbs up man!
For question 5, it doesn’t make sense because you are able to use the reptilianne synchro with brave eyes to floodgate your opponent, and the reptilianne chains to your opponents monsters to change their atk to 0, meaning that their atk isn’t 0 when they activate the effect, but rather at the start of resolution
Stat modifier questions are the worst. Those things are sometimes too complicated even for Konami's own software.
Honestly, the problem is cards with "gain" effects that also have ? stats. Mathematically, it doesn't make sense. You cannot add to an undefined value to get a defined value. This is why they "need" to treat ? as 0 because otherwise, their poorly written effects won't work.
Ideally, any ? stat monster that has a stat modulation effect *must* be the kind that sets the stat to a value. In other words, the effect defines the undefined value.
Treating ? as 0 is a contradiction anyway since 0 is still a defined value, the opposite of undefined.
@@MansMan42069 as it was brought up in the video, the original value of monsters with ? stats is treated as, “becomes/is set to,” 0 while it is on the field, unless its effect modifies its original attack. It is all wording that means the same thing in this case, so there is no contradiction.
I will say that it does make things less clean cut, and gives rise to more complicated rulings, although the alternative has its own issues.
@@VGM7217 That's my point. It's because of the actual mathematical contradiction that _requires_ these undefined stats to be treated as 0 because otherwise, they wouldn't work.
In order to make it work, they needed to plaster a workaround by saying "? Is 0".
If a value is x and I add 100, that value is x + 100. I cannot give you any other value because I don't know what x is.
@@MansMan42069 the thing is, requiring it does not make it a contradiction. You said it yourself, in order to solve an equation with a variable, we are required to know the value of the variable. How we know it is based on information we are given, and here we are told that the variable is 0. As such, we know the value of the variable. How does that contradict anything?
In all honesty, it follows the same equation that everything else follows, X + Y₁... = Z. Here X is the original stat, Y₁... are any stat gains/losses, and Z is the final state value. We are always given the value of X, under normal circumstances it is simply written on the card. In the case of ?, we are told the value by another source, through the cards effect or game mechanics (both of which only apply while on the field). No matter what we are being given X and any Ys, while we are solving for Z.
So your equation X + 100, would be X + 100 = Z, and we are given that X = 0. So we end up with 0 + 100 = Z, and solve for Z = 100. It is the same as any other question with variables involved. Sure, not every problem will just give you variables, but if you are meant to get a defined value they will. Here we are given all the variables we need to solve the problem. What is the issue?
@@VGM7217 It very much is a contradiction. An undefined value is very much not defined. It cannot be both defined and undefined at the same time.
And you have it backwards.
We require those effects and game mechanics because without them, it remains a contradiction. Which means my point still stands.
Still a contradiction which can only be "reconciled" with a band aid solution. Literally handwaving away the problem instead of solving the underlying cause.
So yeah, nice try, but no.
The Duel Logs please on the quiz
Hey Coder, just a suggestion for future episodes. It might be interesting to see a scoreboard with each contestant on it at the beginning/end of these. I'm imagining something similar to how top gear used to have their celebrity lap scoreboard.
I’m actually surprised how the field spell question ruling was, no wonder the field spell is not used
But does Gageh know Chaos rulings? 👀
"I'm gonna banish a light and a dark."
> gage vanishes a light and a dark
> solemn judgment activate
> devastated
What does nyhmnim have to do with chaos lol he didn't even play when chaos control was a thing and he didn't play thunder primarily during toss
@@johnnickfanaccount3492 he infamously plays Chaos decks in Progression Series a lot
@@RFandomization isn't that like not even his series though
14:50
"I don't wanna use you yet, I wanna save you for the corner"
These were BY FAR the hardest questions yet and i also played this format (and tri-zoo on MD) alot.
Love the quizzes keeps me fresh in the morning
We need a Ruxin Goat ruling quiz!
I hope you asked Gage if Terraforming can add Zoodiac Barrage.
🤣
no because its a continuous spell.
Verdant sanctuary on the other hand....
@@pumpkingkingoftoons6185 my favorite moment in prog season 1
Followed closely by sync with ronintoadin...ahhhhh. good times
HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY GAGE! Hope your days are merry and chaosless
bls hosts the party
@@cherrycreamsoda4253 And doesnt even show up so Sorc has to handle all the attendents
Stumbling through the first questions but finished quiet impressiv! Such a great series, I´m lovin` it!
Stats Modifier is absolutely the bane of their existence bruh jee sus
Last one surprised me, i was confident nothing would be sent since it says "as possible" and nothing will be hitting the GY
“Does gage know Verdant Sanctuary rulings?”
The "as possible" would've tripped me up on the last one. I interpreted the sending as the condition to fulfill.
Probably very unlikely to happen, but I would love to see Rata [RANK10YGO] with trains, lunalights or superquants
I'd love if you got neshy on for crystal beast rullings.
6:42 so a facedown monster can have materials, but i cannot attach?
These are fun! I would like to see the card text displayed on screen more often to play along :D
Invite Sam for Red-Eyes/Blue-Eyes rulings
Does head to head battles know gren maju rulings
I would love to see Davinator answer shark rulings
That was a really good quiz!
Stat modification rulings definitely can get tricky🤔
Honestly, the problem is cards with "gain" effects that also have ? stats. Mathematically, it doesn't make sense. You cannot add to an undefined value to get a defined value. This is why they "need" to treat ? as 0 because otherwise, their poorly written effects won't work.
Ideally, any ? stat monster that has a stat modulation effect *must* be the kind that sets the stat to a value. In other words, the effect defines the undefined value.
Treating ? as 0 is a contradiction anyway since 0 is still a defined value, the opposite of undefined.
@@TimothyGod You can't since Sangan searches for a monster with a defined ATK value. In this case, all integer values from 0 to 1500 ATK.
Does Dawnstar know Loop-Rulings?
Really hit gage with the attack point change elective here coder god damn
That was fun! We’d like to see Rouge Hero with some hero or crystal beast questions.
Nuxtaku would be funny to have on
on the last question, i have a question what was boarbow atk i mean with that many zoo under it i think the opp be dead any way maybe
On question 5 I feel like its important to know if the brave-eyes was summoned BEFORE the broadbull was summoned or AFTER the broadbull was summoned since if it was summoned before broadbull then yes you are correct however if it was summoned after broadbull it wouldve reduced attack to 0 and since its a lingering he wouldnt go back up and it would be negated thus making gage correct (for the wrong reason but still correct) now im not a ruling master or a judge but i am 99.99% sure that this simple explanation would work out the way i described it cuz i was with gage on that one assuming that you chose brave eyes specifically due to the attack mod effect + negate
Schiggys with either code talker or Crystal Beast, GiantSkyhawk with Fluffal or Dino, Yatalocked (idk what deck since salads have been done before), Hailey(regret_mech) with plants, Revzcards with Melffy or Dragon Link.
would honestly love to see revz here with dragon link/tri brigade ruling
lol imagine trying to remember what zoodiac barrage does after that weird banlist where they banned it for no reason after people stopped playing trizoo after drident was gone
Q1 is now a starter question wow. But still good to ask this kidn of question
I am once again asking for the duel logs and springans rulings
I really need to learn the stat modification rulings. I think I have got every single one of them wrong.
One good card to look at is The Wicked Avatar. When you have Yami on the field, what is it's ATK?
Also please do does Dire know Generaiders rulings
Dire won't do it he's too scared
Quick answer to the Thumbnail.
no.
Final question 100% shouldve had over 8k atk on boarbow so it would just be a lethal hit without getting a chance to activate. Also good on gage for getting all the hard ones correct.
I dont know many yugitubers, but I would love to see a floow deck
Gage really showed his knowledge of conjunctions.
first question seems more like a true draco ruling doesnt it?
When we getting jesse kotton for thunder dragon rulings🤔
Book of moon absolute staple in this series
I knew the field/barrage combo wasn't a thing for trying it myself, and I'm still baffled it isn't.
Has Coder brought Dire to the quiz yet?
It must me difficult to get in contact with our mutual spider friend who lives on the moon
so how does Brave-Eyes Pendulum Dragon check on activation, but Predaplant Dragostapelia checks on resolution? what wording are we looking for?
Need 2 see Theduellocks with some whacky deck in this format
PheonixFlareX with either Ritual Beast, World Chalice, or Dragunity
Id love to see cimoooooooo do battlin boxer rulings lol
I want Crystal Beast rulings.
Neshy 👀
Does The duellogs duellogs knows springgans rulings. Does Dire knows generaider rulings.
Does Dire know Generaider rulings?
Zoo player can't do math? how could this have happened? Oh, he's a Yu-Gi-Oh player, seems legit to me.
This just shows that stat modifiers are an absolute *pain in the ass.* Gage did really well, but stat modifiers are so confusing lol.
THE TUNNEL!
O37wolf for Synchron
It would be really awesome to see BladeYGO take the quiz
I would suggest that you get o37wolf on synchron rulings next time
The way ATK and DEF changing effects work is kinda whack. A continuous but updatable effect like Zoodiacs should continue to update after they have been set to another value.
Like, say you have Subterror Speleogeist out with 2 Set monsters and a Cave Clash, boosting it by 1000 ATK. If you activate Final Battle and set its ATK to 4400, it makes sense that the 1000 from Cave Clash gets overwritten, but.. what if a 3rd Set monster hits the field? My brain tells me it should be at 4900, but it will instead stay at 4400, afiak.
We need Layers for stat changes.
Oh shit I need a new suggestion. Would love to see king scarlet on this
TheRJB0 and Mermails because he espoused his love for the archtype in a recent Junior Journey episode.
Imma keeping asking for it. KeasbeyTCG and Floowandereeze. I wanna see if he can get all 8 questions right.
I would love to see n3sh on this quiz with d/d/d
Can we ask like... Rhymestyle, or Seereax On Blue Eyes, Dark magician, or Sacred Beasts for Rhyme, and like Cubix for SeeReax respectively?
Legacy Crusaders with Infernoid.
Zeus at home: 12 material Borebow
We need the Calieffect with true Draco next
when do i get on the quiz?
I think it'd be funny to see Chaotic Meatball on here.
Golden nova with deskbots please
I'm so upset that nobody uses the ask the chat to ask them a random ass question that has nothing to do with the quiz
Does direygo know generaider rulings ?
King Scarlet and Appliancers!!!
Does gage plays competitive Level like Joshua Schmidt? I doubt it
I love Zoodiac so I played along and also got a 5\8.
Honestly, the problem is cards with "gain" effects that also have ? stats. Mathematically, it doesn't make sense. You cannot add to an undefined value to get a defined value. This is why they "need" to treat ? as 0 because otherwise, their poorly written effects won't work.
Ideally, any ? stat monster that has a stat modulation effect *must* be the kind that sets the stat to a value. In other words, the effect defines the undefined value.
Treating ? as 0 is a contradiction anyway since 0 is still a defined value, the opposite of undefined.
awasome
Gage's receding hairline LOLLLL
Gotta get Pak back on here he was awesome
WHATS GOING ON GUYS ITS YOUR BOY DISTANTCODER
after watching this video I am glad that zeus exists 😂
Does Yalaloked know Salamangreat Rulings?
CIMOOOOOOOOO with spyral rulings!!!!
I hope you sent him an empty deck box after this one.
But does Milano the Duelist know Dragonmaid rulings ?
Try Smitty with TRI or sprights
I want to be on the game show with Crystal beast
Back in the day...
Sam on Destiny Heros......please!!!!
Good video
Vlad with Gem knight plz 💛💛