Took my CPO 2015 ultra low for same noise and transmission banging in each gear. The dealer said they did not know what a certified pre owned warranty was. This was a local dealer by my house and they didn't even care. I ended up calling dealer where I bought it from 3hrs away and they said they will take care of it. It amazing how different dealers are. Love the videos keep em coming.
REALLY !!?!? The CPO program is a nation wide deal Harley implemented 🤦♂️ yes it is kinda wild how different each dealer is. At Speedway we really strive to make sure ALL our customers are treated like family. This is exactly why people use the term stealership and refuse to go back to another dealer. Thank you. I really try to make sure the everyday joe has SOLID info
@VtwinRevolution well worth the money. Love my bike but damn!!!! Lol it's all good will eventually upgrade motor. I do love the 117 on the new street glides
Im 65 and been on Harleys a long time. Hot rodded several of them and learned this: If you want a race bike ,save yourself a bunch of time, money and aggravation, go buy a race bike, Japan makes a shit load of them. If you keep your Harley stock and dont hang a bunch of high-priced junk on it, It will serve you for a Long time.
It’s funny you say that, I had the pleasure of knowing this ole timer named David willet….David, had a 1987 tour glide names “old Charlie” he put 419,655mi on Harley caught wind of this and in 1999 have David a brand new ultra classic he then named this one “old Charlie II” he proceeded to put 296,855 on this bike. David was an awesome dude and would come to the dealership just to sit and talk with people. After working on his bike one day I said David….what’s the secret? He said I keep my bikes bone stock and don’t abuse them. I clean every aspect of my bike to make sure no dirt causes problems. He also had a 2005 Honda Bergman that had 105,000 ole David LOVED TO RIDE 🙌🤘
Great work dude. I see you do this every day of my life at work, now I get to watch you do it on my phone in the comfort of my home. What a time to be alive. 😘
Sean, thank you for doing this video. Answered my questions and also showed me some good tips. I had thought about ordering the Hayden Tensioner but decided that in the next couple of days, when I open the primary for inspection, if everything looks good will just stay with stock parts. I have a 2018 Roadglide (107) with 61000 troublefree miles.
Sorry it took so long to get it out but happy I could answer your questions. So the Hayden tensioner is what I was talkin about I just could t remember the name. I can promise that your stock chain tensioner will barely look like it been used.
I just installed the Man-O-War Comp and the Hayden chain tensioner on my 19 Ultra Limited and WOW, I am amazed at the difference! The bike seems lighter, quicker, and the shifting clunk is virtually GONE!! I highly recommend this combo. I'm not a mechanic but I am mechanical, and I did this pretty easily in my garage with a bike lift because I'm old and can't stay bent over.
@@dustinjohnson2116 I really don't see a difference either way. I installed the Hayden tensioner as well and if I listen really close, it might be a bit quiter. The performance difference is immediate and hugely noticeable! Going into first and shifting is night and day!
correct me if im wrong the way understand it is the compensator design in the 07s and 08s where a carry over from the 06 and earler models and where only designed to handle the torque and horse power from the the 88.Im asking because in going to upgrade mine in my 07 electra glide ultra classic to a screaming eagle.
That’s correct, 06 dyna was the first to have the newer style because they were the first to get the 6spd 07 there was a design change in how the spring pack was mated to the rotor shell and that change stayed until 2011 when the SE style comp was introduced and there has been variations and changes made along the way to update certain parts of that style of comp.
Ive always heard chatter taking off. Or a loud clunk changing gears. I noticed a weird vibration in gear. Coasting with clutch pulled in. So big i dont know if you would call it a vibration. More like a bounce. Rides fine any other time. Mine is 99-05 flh with 69k on it
I’ll start with the easy answer first 🤣 those 5spds were loud transmissions, they clunked at every gear change that’s normal. I’m not sure how recent this development is but you could have a loose comp, your flywheels could have shifted, loose primary chain. That’s a tough one without being able to ride it. Hell you could have a rock stuck between the swingarm and the trans case OR a battery bolt stuck between the primary and the frame at the passenger footboard location. Or it could be a bad front motor mount…..
Thank you ! At 27k you probably don’t have much to worry about….but you will know when that spring pack and comp start to get worn….that unmistakeable shudder noise at idle or as you start to take off will slowly start to appear. At that point you could look into the dark horse comp or baker comp.
Obviously about to change my comp and came across this awesome video. Will most likely just go with the SE replacement. I was wondering since I’m in there should I go ahead and replace the inner primary bearing that has 49k miles or stick to the if it ain’t broke don’t fix it motto… 16 RGS Zippers 110ci
If it was my bike, I’d stick it back together ! Mine currently has 50k after I blew my motor up last Oct and about 2mo ago got it put back together, I rocked the same bearing. But if you’re a piece of mind kinda guy….change it but I would also change the inner primary race as well !
@@VtwinRevolution sweet. I’ll roll it then. I fix and calibrate medical equipment and if it ain’t broke or out of calibration you leave it alone before you screw something up. Lol so I guess I’ll take my own advice after speaking to a professional like you. Thanks again and stay safe out there.
Awesome ! Sometimes depending on how many miles are on the primary chain you can finesse it or just use a BIG ASS HAMMER !! lol I’m kidding…..or am I haha
Curious on why you prefer the pipe dope vs Teflon tape... also have you seen any issued using an impact to remove the comp bolt? Keep the videos and tips coming!!!
Two reasons….first gettin that stuff off is a pain when I’m cleaning the drain plug on a service and the other reason is cause I ALWAYS forget which direction to put it on so that it doesn’t wad up at the bottom lol. Funny you ask that, me and another tech was literally talking about this today cause my dad called and asked the same question. Does the book tell you not to use sharp blows, yes. Have I EVER seen using an impact to remove the comp bolt, no. There isn’t a tech out there that doesn’t use a gun to remove that bolt. It’s torqued to 170ftlbs. That’s a decent amount to break loose.
Newbie here, Thank you for the awesome video!!! . Question recently purchased a new 24 SG , love it so far, and I was wondering About the clutch basket and compensator , I asked the dealer if I should upgrade it. He said no, it's fine." Any thoughts? Currently have 1300+ miles on it and hear a cluck sound ever gear change, but dealer says that's all normal.
Awesome man ! Congrats on the new bike !!! Unless you have made that bike into a hotrod there is no need to replace that stuff, you have a TON of miles to put on before it’s “worn out” and yes the “clunk” when you shift is perfectly normal these transmissions are what they call constant mesh meaning the gears are always touching so it’s noisy ! My suggestion is to switch to an actual gear oil. Like bel-ray or something like that, that’s a 85/140 weight
So with changing out the compensator does it take the place of all the shims and the other peice of that makes it ingage dont know the name of it though ?
So depending on if it’s a dark horse like I installed or the baker comp setup, yes it replaces the spring pack and ramp assembly. Those style of comps are completed units
What should a person do if they have a older bike say a 2003 roadking and they install the S&S T 111 engine in the bike, is the old style compensator going to hold up with the increase in horsepower and torque with this engine in the bike? Unfortunately Darkhorse does not make a 25 tooth compensator. WTH!!
You’ll be totally fine with the stock comp. You may have to check it every 10k or so, the only downside to those comps is the comp nut would come loose
My bike went down and compensator came apart been at dealer two weeks. SMH it's on a 2015 ultra classic low. The other issues is tires are 10 yrs old and flat spots. On a CPO harley it's supposed to be 5 year or newer tire but they won't give me cpo inspection sheet. Any help would be awesome. Havent been riding in weeks damn. Lol
man..... I hat to hear that !! I really do ! this is what causes people to not trust the dealership. or any dealer for that matter ! so this is all I can really give you in terms of help of info, when you bought the bike you were supposed to sign a CPO sheet it would have been a check list that the tech went through and checked off, and MAYBE a multi-point sheet then the service manager has to sign then that gets given to the finance guy. As I imagine your not happy, honestly all your proof is sitting on your bike, if your tires are 10 yrs old thats no bueno !!!! those tires SHOULD have been changed!!!!!!!!!! the only other thing I can tell you to do is call harley customer care, get them involved and you'll see how quickly things are taken care of ! hell if they're 10 yrs old I would imagine they are also below 3/32nds or near the end of their life. I really hope you get this straightened out dude !!
I thought you were getting into gun comps? Like your content. Still afraid to touch my bike with tools, but I can teach you in the way of the blasters.
You would think higher rpm would be worse on a comp instead of lugging but it is a wearable part in the first place but I tried the Darkhorse comp for twin cam and it does change throttle response are drive response it’s instant and one thing I learned in this situation your really better off with SE comp for just everyday riding because if you have runout it’s going to end badly and if you have a little now it’s just going to worse especially riding hard with the DH it’s mainly what you want and how ride
If you think about it, at high RPM it’s not ramping up or working like it would if you were lugging the bike, it’s having to work harder at lower RPM. Those SE comps take a ton of abuse from puttin around and you’re right for everyday riding they get the job done. And I could see one of these comps exaggerating a runout that you’re not aware you have lol
Brother, I have been doing this for 20yrs and serviced many of the bikes that I’ve replaced stators on or inner primary leaks and those bikes never have had any issues, does the manual say no sharp blows….yes. And also that was on the older models
I use bell ray in all 3 holes. I change my oil and primary every 3000, and my transmission every other oil change. That might be a little bit of overkill but I feel like it's good insurance.
AWESOME !! I hope you find value in the content I put out. Thank you for subscribing. Just a heads up, I’m pretty on point about answering questions so if you have ANY questions I will do my absolute best to help you !
I'm 63, after riding every brand of motorcycles made since I was 15 years old - The ONLY motorcycle I would never buy again is a Harley, after owning 3 of them. My rice burners have been ridden for tens of thousands of miles, then sold in a good running condition. All 3 of my Harleys spent the majority of their time in the shop! Two of them (bought new) 1985 wide glide, 1997 softail custom, had to have thousands spent on jets, exhaust, air filter, etc. just to be able to ride them. This video shows you having to replace factory parts with aftermarket just to ride the damn motorcycles, this particular issue affects Every Harley made. I have NEVER had to replace parts on any of my import motorcycles other than to make them look better. I can't wrap my head around why anyone still buys HD motorcycles when the only thing they know, is to keep making the displacement larger instead of actually do some engineering to compete with the rest of the market. My 900cc 1985 Kawasaki eliminator can run circles in stock form around any street Harley made (even upgraded), never gets hot (water cooled), has 46k miles, and has never had anything done but adjust the valves, synch. the carbs, tires, and maintenance items. I do however have a 2006 Dyna low rider with 18k miles in the shed that need 5 grand of work (including primary) just to ride it. It will sit there until I die, as I am so over anything Harley Davidson.
If the waffles are soggy cause they're basically swimming in syrup and melted butter. You bet your ass I'm gonna eat them. LOL Really informative video. And yes, about the derby cover. You're neurotic. LOL
You know I’ve often wondered why ? On the older TC’s you had to check adjustment every 5-10k and it was easy cause there was an access window to check the chain….07-present they went to the auto tensioner and did away with the window. So if you have a manual adjuster you have to pull the primary cover, which means you’ll need new fluid and a primary gasket each time. Doesn’t seem very smart to run a manual adjuster.
I HAD THE MAN OF WAR PROFESSIONALY INSTALLED ON MY 2020 HARLEY STREET GLIDE...{IT DID NOT IMPROVE 1 BIT!!!} STILL CLUNKS, FIRST GEAR BAD!!!...AND EVERY GEAR!...WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY!!!...TRYING TO CALL DARK HORSE FOR A FULL REFUND...
I hate to hear you’re having a bad experience !! But to be fair, these comps are pretty much for hot motors as they provide some cushion but also act like a solid sprocket. They have their quirks for sure
Any chunk of stuff in the hole or on the bolt I've found that the impact can't feel it and can give a false torque reading... I'm also a helicopter dad lol. I still appreciate the video
Yeah lugging is bas for your primary and everything else - ACTUAL lugging, which is that spot right before stalling where its going CHUG CHUG CHUG and making all kinds of horrible racket and bucking the bike. Thats lugging. On the ither side, you DO NOT want to keep these Harkeys at high RPM's. They're extremely long stroke motors with a lot of very unbalanced rotating mass. Long stroke neans high piston velocity for a given RPM, which means faster wear. That's why Diesel engines redline at like 3,500rpm. Same mechanical concept.
Why don't Indians and the new BMW 1800 have or need compensators? Maybe they do have them but are they as prone to problems? If they don't need them, why does Harley need them?
Well….if I had to guess they are internally balanced. While the M8’s are internally balanced it’s a crude system that engine pluses need to be absorbed
I also think internally balanced bikes not only equate to fewer issues related to vibration but also rider fatigue. You hop on and older TC and ride or even an EVO and it’s a very abrasive ride so to speak….but you hop on a V-rod, pan-am, nightster, sporty S or even an M8 and it’s a MUCH gentler ride
So does your man o war make a high pitch sound like a turbo or something? I had to go back to stock comp because of the aound i hated it. It felt better with it the drivetrain was solid but the sound drove me crazy.
@VtwinRevolution I don't know man I had a manual tensioner on there but prior to that I had tried the auto tensioner and same result. I was just throwing darts at it in the end and could not quiet it down. There's a fine line with that one between too lose and too tight. I had the rocks sound and it was too loose. I had it too tight also I thought I had it as good as I could in the end but still sounded like shit.
Well you obviously tried everything. And what you’re saying checks out in terms of too loose or too tight. Maybe your bike just didn’t like it. I’ve seen scenarios like that before
@VtwinRevolution thanks man for the replies. Yeah i want it to work bad i just dont know what to do. I dont know what my runout is on the crank i do know my pinion shadt is straight enough to run an s&s oil pump and cam plate so if that side is good im assuming the crank cant be too far out but its a twinkie so i know it aint perfect.
@@VtwinRevolutioni think ill try the screamin eagle comp i really dont trust most motorcycle people anymore they wont say if something is bad if they threw down money its like its a hit to thier pride or something. Like the hayden guys that thing is garbage but group think is alive and well. That auto tensioner is a brilliant design and it works exceptionally for cruising at least as far as im concerned. Maybe theres better options if youre on a racetrack or doing burnouts but it aint the hayden. Take care man keep doing what you do
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Took my CPO 2015 ultra low for same noise and transmission banging in each gear. The dealer said they did not know what a certified pre owned warranty was. This was a local dealer by my house and they didn't even care. I ended up calling dealer where I bought it from 3hrs away and they said they will take care of it. It amazing how different dealers are. Love the videos keep em coming.
REALLY !!?!? The CPO program is a nation wide deal Harley implemented 🤦♂️ yes it is kinda wild how different each dealer is. At Speedway we really strive to make sure ALL our customers are treated like family. This is exactly why people use the term stealership and refuse to go back to another dealer. Thank you. I really try to make sure the everyday joe has SOLID info
What was the noise ?
@proman5498 it was compensator. I also purchased a harley bumper to bumper warranty to cover my ass.
The extended warranty can really be a LIFESAVER !!!!!
@VtwinRevolution well worth the money. Love my bike but damn!!!! Lol it's all good will eventually upgrade motor. I do love the 117 on the new street glides
Im 65 and been on Harleys a long time. Hot rodded several of them and learned this: If you want a race bike ,save yourself a bunch of time, money and aggravation, go buy a race bike, Japan makes a shit load of them. If you keep your Harley stock and dont hang a bunch of high-priced junk on it, It will serve you for a Long time.
It’s funny you say that, I had the pleasure of knowing this ole timer named David willet….David, had a 1987 tour glide names “old Charlie” he put 419,655mi on Harley caught wind of this and in 1999 have David a brand new ultra classic he then named this one “old Charlie II” he proceeded to put 296,855 on this bike. David was an awesome dude and would come to the dealership just to sit and talk with people. After working on his bike one day I said David….what’s the secret? He said I keep my bikes bone stock and don’t abuse them. I clean every aspect of my bike to make sure no dirt causes problems. He also had a 2005 Honda Bergman that had 105,000 ole David LOVED TO RIDE 🙌🤘
@ Absolutely, but I guess we were all young once and have to go through all that to get the wisdom of an old guy. Lol
lol !
Great work dude. I see you do this every day of my life at work, now I get to watch you do it on my phone in the comfort of my home. What a time to be alive. 😘
🤣🤣🤣🤣 boy you’ve been on one today 🤣🤣🤣 I’m still dying over what you said earlier
@@VtwinRevolution I’m just havin a day! 💁🏻♂️
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You earned your buddy a sub.
This is an area I am going to focus on with the next upgrades. Great info
Yeah I’m looking to hopefully get one of these dark horse comps
Would love to see more videos like this and any videos to make that motor bulletproof. Thank you for posting the videos
Thank you!
Sean, thank you for doing this video. Answered my questions and also showed me some good tips. I had thought about ordering the Hayden Tensioner but decided that in the next couple of days, when I open the primary for inspection, if everything looks good will just stay with stock parts. I have a 2018 Roadglide (107) with 61000 troublefree miles.
Sorry it took so long to get it out but happy I could answer your questions. So the Hayden tensioner is what I was talkin about I just could t remember the name. I can promise that your stock chain tensioner will barely look like it been used.
I just installed the Man-O-War Comp and the Hayden chain tensioner on my 19 Ultra Limited and WOW, I am amazed at the difference! The bike seems lighter, quicker, and the shifting clunk is virtually GONE!! I highly recommend this combo. I'm not a mechanic but I am mechanical, and I did this pretty easily in my garage with a bike lift because I'm old and can't stay bent over.
THATS AWESOME !!! Hey….nothing wrong with workin off a lift !!! That bending over shit I’d for the birds lol I’m def spoiled !!
Do you have a lot of noise from the dark horse?
@@dustinjohnson2116 I really don't see a difference either way. I installed the Hayden tensioner as well and if I listen really close, it might be a bit quiter. The performance difference is immediate and hugely noticeable! Going into first and shifting is night and day!
correct me if im wrong the way understand it is the compensator design in the 07s and 08s where a carry over from the 06 and earler models and where only designed to handle the torque and horse power from the the 88.Im asking because in going to upgrade mine in my 07 electra glide ultra classic to a screaming eagle.
That’s correct, 06 dyna was the first to have the newer style because they were the first to get the 6spd 07 there was a design change in how the spring pack was mated to the rotor shell and that change stayed until 2011 when the SE style comp was introduced and there has been variations and changes made along the way to update certain parts of that style of comp.
I am new to the Harley world. Really enjoy watching your videos, keep up the videos coming.🤘🤘🤘
Thank you !! Any time I can help let me know !
How much difference is there between Dark Horse and a Baker compensator?
The design….each one is a proprietary design, they both do the same job it’s just a matter of what makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside.
Great videos! Just installed my Darkhorse this week!
AWESOME !!
What’s the correct primary cover gasket for 2016 road glide special?
Are you wanting the part number ??
@@VtwinRevolution sure
@ yes
34901-07
@ thx
Ive always heard chatter taking off. Or a loud clunk changing gears. I noticed a weird vibration in gear. Coasting with clutch pulled in. So big i dont know if you would call it a vibration. More like a bounce. Rides fine any other time. Mine is 99-05 flh with 69k on it
I’ll start with the easy answer first 🤣 those 5spds were loud transmissions, they clunked at every gear change that’s normal.
I’m not sure how recent this development is but you could have a loose comp, your flywheels could have shifted, loose primary chain. That’s a tough one without being able to ride it. Hell you could have a rock stuck between the swingarm and the trans case OR a battery bolt stuck between the primary and the frame at the passenger footboard location. Or it could be a bad front motor mount…..
Great tips and tricks. How concerned should I be with my 2014 flhtp with the 103HO and 27000 miles.
Thank you ! At 27k you probably don’t have much to worry about….but you will know when that spring pack and comp start to get worn….that unmistakeable shudder noise at idle or as you start to take off will slowly start to appear. At that point you could look into the dark horse comp or baker comp.
Great video and info Sean!!
Thank you !
Really enjoy watching your videos!
Thank you !
So what are you thoughts on the baker comp?
The install is pretty straight forward like the man-o-war I’ve installed 1 baker and the dude loved it
Great video.Nice detailed instructions
Thank you !
Thanks for sharing your knowledge, appreciate your efforts!
👍🏻 glad you enjoyed
Obviously about to change my comp and came across this awesome video. Will most likely just go with the SE replacement. I was wondering since I’m in there should I go ahead and replace the inner primary bearing that has 49k miles or stick to the if it ain’t broke don’t fix it motto… 16 RGS Zippers 110ci
If it was my bike, I’d stick it back together ! Mine currently has 50k after I blew my motor up last Oct and about 2mo ago got it put back together, I rocked the same bearing. But if you’re a piece of mind kinda guy….change it but I would also change the inner primary race as well !
Sorry for getting back to you so late, I have shitty service up here in the mountains. I am up here helping with the hurricane relief effort in NC
@@VtwinRevolution sweet. I’ll roll it then. I fix and calibrate medical equipment and if it ain’t broke or out of calibration you leave it alone before you screw something up. Lol so I guess I’ll take my own advice after speaking to a professional like you. Thanks again and stay safe out there.
@@VtwinRevolution bikers always willing to help others. 💪🏾
Happy to help !!
I got mine back on with out pulling the clutch basket you just need to finesse it.
Awesome ! Sometimes depending on how many miles are on the primary chain you can finesse it or just use a BIG ASS HAMMER !! lol I’m kidding…..or am I haha
Damn bro keep up them great tutorials.
Haha thank you !
Is your primary noisy with that dark horse?
No more than usual
Now can you a clutch I had a new clutch basket put on and still get a chatter in that area. also had a baker compensator done earlier.
So it’s possible that the auto chain tensioner is between teeth and can’t ratchet up to the next spot….ive seen that happen before
I’ve got around 12,000 miles since I installed a Darkhorse compensator on my 2019 Heritage 114 and have had zero issues with it.
That’s awesome !! That was a good call switching out your comp, softails for whatever reason have issues with compensators breaking
Curious on why you prefer the pipe dope vs Teflon tape... also have you seen any issued using an impact to remove the comp bolt? Keep the videos and tips coming!!!
Two reasons….first gettin that stuff off is a pain when I’m cleaning the drain plug on a service and the other reason is cause I ALWAYS forget which direction to put it on so that it doesn’t wad up at the bottom lol.
Funny you ask that, me and another tech was literally talking about this today cause my dad called and asked the same question. Does the book tell you not to use sharp blows, yes. Have I EVER seen using an impact to remove the comp bolt, no. There isn’t a tech out there that doesn’t use a gun to remove that bolt. It’s torqued to 170ftlbs. That’s a decent amount to break loose.
Thanks, what do u recommend on a 09 ultra glide 95 ci? If i go w a dark horse, is there additional parts i need to get?
Yeah, you will have to get a different rotor cause the stock one has the spring pack welded onto the rotor shell
@@VtwinRevolution thx, brother
Happy to help !
I shared yer vid with my grandma 👵🏻 👍🏻
Hahaha NICE !!
Newbie here, Thank you for the awesome video!!! . Question recently purchased a new 24 SG , love it so far, and I was wondering
About the clutch basket and compensator , I asked the dealer if I should upgrade it. He said no, it's fine." Any thoughts?
Currently have 1300+ miles on it and hear a cluck sound ever gear change, but dealer says that's all normal.
Awesome man ! Congrats on the new bike !!! Unless you have made that bike into a hotrod there is no need to replace that stuff, you have a TON of miles to put on before it’s “worn out” and yes the “clunk” when you shift is perfectly normal these transmissions are what they call constant mesh meaning the gears are always touching so it’s noisy ! My suggestion is to switch to an actual gear oil. Like bel-ray or something like that, that’s a 85/140 weight
So with changing out the compensator does it take the place of all the shims and the other peice of that makes it ingage dont know the name of it though ?
So depending on if it’s a dark horse like I installed or the baker comp setup, yes it replaces the spring pack and ramp assembly. Those style of comps are completed units
Great job, do you work on older bikes, i have a 2003 Heritage Softail. Getting a good clunky noise when I start it. Can it be the starter
Thank you ! Oh yeah, I cut my teeth on older bikes. The older TC’s had issues with the comp bolt coming loose. I have it checked and re-torqued
@@VtwinRevolution I will, thanks😎
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What should a person do if they have a older bike say a 2003 roadking and they install the S&S T 111 engine in the bike, is the old style compensator going to hold up with the increase in horsepower and torque with this engine in the bike? Unfortunately Darkhorse does not make a 25 tooth compensator. WTH!!
I don't abuse my bike by burnouts and hard downshifting, I like to open it up on the highway going through the gears.
I would run the stock comp and not look back !!
You’ll be totally fine with the stock comp. You may have to check it every 10k or so, the only downside to those comps is the comp nut would come loose
My bike went down and compensator came apart been at dealer two weeks. SMH it's on a 2015 ultra classic low. The other issues is tires are 10 yrs old and flat spots. On a CPO harley it's supposed to be 5 year or newer tire but they won't give me cpo inspection sheet. Any help would be awesome. Havent been riding in weeks damn. Lol
man..... I hat to hear that !! I really do ! this is what causes people to not trust the dealership. or any dealer for that matter ! so this is all I can really give you in terms of help of info, when you bought the bike you were supposed to sign a CPO sheet it would have been a check list that the tech went through and checked off, and MAYBE a multi-point sheet then the service manager has to sign then that gets given to the finance guy. As I imagine your not happy, honestly all your proof is sitting on your bike, if your tires are 10 yrs old thats no bueno !!!! those tires SHOULD have been changed!!!!!!!!!! the only other thing I can tell you to do is call harley customer care, get them involved and you'll see how quickly things are taken care of ! hell if they're 10 yrs old I would imagine they are also below 3/32nds or near the end of their life. I really hope you get this straightened out dude !!
hey like your videos,what brand is the in/lb torque wrench?
Thank you ! Snap-on….cause I enjoy putting his kids through college 🤣
I thought you were getting into gun comps? Like your content. Still afraid to touch my bike with tools, but I can teach you in the way of the blasters.
THANK YOU !! I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A CAN FOR ALL OF MY FIREARMS !!!! The waiting and the cost is idiotic !
The 06 style comp continually outlasted its springs, And It seems to me that it actually lasts longer than stock in 11 and later years.
I’m still running that same comp and my bike has 63k HARD miles lol now I’m starting to notice some wear but that’s pretty dang good IMO !
You would think higher rpm would be worse on a comp instead of lugging but it is a wearable part in the first place but I tried the Darkhorse comp for twin cam and it does change throttle response are drive response it’s instant and one thing I learned in this situation your really better off with SE comp for just everyday riding because if you have runout it’s going to end badly and if you have a little now it’s just going to worse especially riding hard with the DH it’s mainly what you want and how ride
If you think about it, at high RPM it’s not ramping up or working like it would if you were lugging the bike, it’s having to work harder at lower RPM. Those SE comps take a ton of abuse from puttin around and you’re right for everyday riding they get the job done. And I could see one of these comps exaggerating a runout that you’re not aware you have lol
Never use an air impact on the compensator bolt. You will shake the magnets off the stator.
Brother, I have been doing this for 20yrs and serviced many of the bikes that I’ve replaced stators on or inner primary leaks and those bikes never have had any issues, does the manual say no sharp blows….yes. And also that was on the older models
Evolution industries is here in Southern California great products..
I have their billet clutch basket on my dyna
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Cool I'll let Ed know that...
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All these comp videos
Replaced stock comp on my 09 Softail Custom
Installed early version SE Comp
Runs just fine over 35k miles
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In all honesty is it ok to change primary oil every 10,000 miles per manual or is that really too long for the real world? 2012 Ultra Classic..
So me personally I do not like that interval….i feel like it’s way too long especially for what’s going on inside there.
I use bell ray in all 3 holes. I change my oil and primary every 3000, and my transmission every other oil change. That might be a little bit of overkill but I feel like it's good insurance.
I do the EXACT same thing !!
thank you for your effert
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New Sub!
AWESOME !! I hope you find value in the content I put out. Thank you for subscribing. Just a heads up, I’m pretty on point about answering questions so if you have ANY questions I will do my absolute best to help you !
Hey, the Belt is missing off yuh bike!
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I'm 63, after riding every brand of motorcycles made since I was 15 years old - The ONLY motorcycle I would never buy again is a Harley, after owning 3 of them. My rice burners have been ridden for tens of thousands of miles, then sold in a good running condition. All 3 of my Harleys spent the majority of their time in the shop! Two of them (bought new) 1985 wide glide, 1997 softail custom, had to have thousands spent on jets, exhaust, air filter, etc. just to be able to ride them. This video shows you having to replace factory parts with aftermarket just to ride the damn motorcycles, this particular issue affects Every Harley made. I have NEVER had to replace parts on any of my import motorcycles other than to make them look better. I can't wrap my head around why anyone still buys HD motorcycles when the only thing they know, is to keep making the displacement larger instead of actually do some engineering to compete with the rest of the market. My 900cc 1985 Kawasaki eliminator can run circles in stock form around any street Harley made (even upgraded), never gets hot (water cooled), has 46k miles, and has never had anything done but adjust the valves, synch. the carbs, tires, and maintenance items. I do however have a 2006 Dyna low rider with 18k miles in the shed that need 5 grand of work (including primary) just to ride it. It will sit there until I die, as I am so over anything Harley Davidson.
Different strokes for different folks sir, I love all motorcycles but I’m loyal to Harley’s whatever your ride keep the shiny side up 🤘
If we had to explain, you wouldn't understand. As you try to explain, we don't understand you either.
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@@lg8932 Something tells me you also vote Democrat - as any form of common sense escapes you! LMFAO - "you can't fix stupid"
If the waffles are soggy cause they're basically swimming in syrup and melted butter. You bet your ass I'm gonna eat them. LOL Really informative video. And yes, about the derby cover. You're neurotic. LOL
Hahahaha thanks dude
Most who use that man of war, use a non- automatic adjustable chain tensioner.
You know I’ve often wondered why ? On the older TC’s you had to check adjustment every 5-10k and it was easy cause there was an access window to check the chain….07-present they went to the auto tensioner and did away with the window. So if you have a manual adjuster you have to pull the primary cover, which means you’ll need new fluid and a primary gasket each time. Doesn’t seem very smart to run a manual adjuster.
I HAD THE MAN OF WAR PROFESSIONALY INSTALLED ON MY 2020 HARLEY STREET GLIDE...{IT DID NOT IMPROVE 1 BIT!!!} STILL CLUNKS, FIRST GEAR BAD!!!...AND EVERY GEAR!...WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY!!!...TRYING TO CALL DARK HORSE FOR A FULL REFUND...
I hate to hear you’re having a bad experience !! But to be fair, these comps are pretty much for hot motors as they provide some cushion but also act like a solid sprocket. They have their quirks for sure
Thank you may I have you as my teacher? 👍
I will teach through the videos
I told my Grandma to sub, she smacked the shit out of me and lit up a Lucky Strike with her old Zippo.
🤣🤣🤣 probably said something to that fact of “you pussies wouldn’t know what a real motorcycle was if it dick smacked you in the face”
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U win the internet today
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I cringe when someone uses an impact on the compensator bolt.
I know….the manual says no sharp blows and im guilty of using an impact , but to be fair ive been doing this 20yrs and its not been an issue
Any chunk of stuff in the hole or on the bolt I've found that the impact can't feel it and can give a false torque reading... I'm also a helicopter dad lol. I still appreciate the video
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Yeah lugging is bas for your primary and everything else - ACTUAL lugging, which is that spot right before stalling where its going CHUG CHUG CHUG and making all kinds of horrible racket and bucking the bike. Thats lugging.
On the ither side, you DO NOT want to keep these Harkeys at high RPM's. They're extremely long stroke motors with a lot of very unbalanced rotating mass. Long stroke neans high piston velocity for a given RPM, which means faster wear. That's why Diesel engines redline at like 3,500rpm. Same mechanical concept.
You are correct sir ! Yeah you should check out my video “ I broke my dyna” that’s what sustained high RPM looks like lol
Why don't Indians and the new BMW 1800 have or need compensators? Maybe they do have them but are they as prone to problems? If they don't need them, why does Harley need them?
Well….if I had to guess they are internally balanced. While the M8’s are internally balanced it’s a crude system that engine pluses need to be absorbed
@@VtwinRevolutionSo if being internally balanced is relevant, Softtails should have fewer problems than the rubber mount Harleys. Would you agree?
Yes, and the twincam “B” motors were some of the best riding bikes….BUT lol still had compensators
I also think internally balanced bikes not only equate to fewer issues related to vibration but also rider fatigue. You hop on and older TC and ride or even an EVO and it’s a very abrasive ride so to speak….but you hop on a V-rod, pan-am, nightster, sporty S or even an M8 and it’s a MUCH gentler ride
all that money and time and doesnt replace the PIECE OF SHYT ADJUSTER install a HAYDEN
I’m not a fan of the Hayden’s I’ve seen several failures but to each their own
U talk too much sthu cant going elsewhere
🤣🤣🤣 bro….learn to type and speak English before you try trolling someone
@@VtwinRevolution lol i just saw that good call dude
I’ll give you another chance if you wanna try again lol
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So does your man o war make a high pitch sound like a turbo or something? I had to go back to stock comp because of the aound i hated it. It felt better with it the drivetrain was solid but the sound drove me crazy.
I bet the primary chain was too tight
@VtwinRevolution I don't know man I had a manual tensioner on there but prior to that I had tried the auto tensioner and same result. I was just throwing darts at it in the end and could not quiet it down. There's a fine line with that one between too lose and too tight. I had the rocks sound and it was too loose. I had it too tight also I thought I had it as good as I could in the end but still sounded like shit.
Well you obviously tried everything. And what you’re saying checks out in terms of too loose or too tight. Maybe your bike just didn’t like it. I’ve seen scenarios like that before
@VtwinRevolution thanks man for the replies. Yeah i want it to work bad i just dont know what to do. I dont know what my runout is on the crank i do know my pinion shadt is straight enough to run an s&s oil pump and cam plate so if that side is good im assuming the crank cant be too far out but its a twinkie so i know it aint perfect.
@@VtwinRevolutioni think ill try the screamin eagle comp i really dont trust most motorcycle people anymore they wont say if something is bad if they threw down money its like its a hit to thier pride or something. Like the hayden guys that thing is garbage but group think is alive and well. That auto tensioner is a brilliant design and it works exceptionally for cruising at least as far as im concerned. Maybe theres better options if youre on a racetrack or doing burnouts but it aint the hayden. Take care man keep doing what you do
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Thank you