My go to solution is to grab my antique dueling pistols, if the intruder can beat me in an old fashioned duel he deserves my possessions since he is the superior man.
Maybe the democrats should think of this. Be a good way to handle the unfair fight mentality. Only catch is you never said both were loaded nor would need to grantee they were.
NICYS Firearms Instruction that's a shame I bought my colt carbine an M3 Benelli super 90 also a Glock 17 in lower Manhattan. Is John jovinos still around.
I gave it an instant thumbs up as that same exact spot, as I had just subscribed a few second prior! That comment made me laugh and instantly like this guy.
@PARK well then, now that the loony toons have joined the chat I'd like to remind everyone that the only way to keep the boogie man and his globalist cronies from controlling your mind is by keeping your tin foil hat on at all times, remember the government can read your thoughts so make sure they're scrambled 🤣
@PARK yes and while the opressers disarm people of their weapons organized religion does what it has always done, disarm people's minds, think about how many times in history this dogma has been used to distract and blind faith has been used to oppress and exploit, so while you're off chasing the boogie man the real tyrants of this world are free to do as they please
@PARK cool story bro, just so you know Christianity absolutely is a religion, it's also a great collection parables and stories, not saying there's no wisdom in it but the literal notion of a man in the clouds and his magical son is all just fairy tales, now I respect your freedom of religion and belief but what I get annoyed by is the blind faith that let's you believe in things with no measurable basis in reality like the existence of a "soul" and to disbelieve things that are measurably and demonstrationally proven, it's called science, it doesn't require blind faith just an open free thinking mind, religion started as a way for man to explain a world he couldn't understand and for a while it worked but we have grown out of it, we have the technology and science to actually answer some of those questions, the but religion is used more and more as it has been for a long time to simply control people's minds and make them think stupid shit like Obama being the Antichrist, now I'm not a fan of Obama but Antichrist? Really? That's some funny shit🤣, if you think Obama is the Antichrist then who is Kim Jong Un, or who was Adolf Hitler, or Joseph Stalin, or what about Caligula, surely that crazy bastard rates higher on the might be the Antichrist scale than Obama, you Bible thumpers are hilarious 🤣
Thanks for this. I’m a single mom who stopped in a firearms store to pose this exact question and they had the same answer you had. My dad was shocked and had the misconception that I had before talking to the firearms representative me that that it would blow through my wall into a neighbors house (I live in a vinyl village). I’m doing research before making a decision and am leaning toward the AR. I am also signed up for a 4 hour home defense course next month.
I was taking a sip of expensive whisky, when you said that my shotgun slug would wrap around the earth and hit me in the back of my head. To be quite honest, the burn of that whisky in my sinus cavity as I half snorted it, half coughed it up, was quite painful. Fortunately, I was able to not spit it all over my monitor.
When you said no can and you wanted the neighborhood to know you're in a gun fight, I pictured you in the scene from John Wick. When the cops come to his house, see all the bodies and they are like "you working again John..?"
I prefer my Saiga 12, just kinda worried how the court would view my case after unloading 13 rounds of 00 buckshot into the intruder. I have an AK I could use but that might be worse...
michael swanson I used to stay in Nc, bought my first rifle there. Now I stay in Georgia, same gun laws. They are loose gun laws and considered “slave states” chill guy
I mean my security system stops threats. That phone call really scares away the bad guy. They see that sloman shield and piss their pants. Semi auto shotgun is my choice. So much flying in their direction they don't have time to turn and assess what's happening. And in litigation I emptied so fast (~ 2s) that they never got that chance to run away. From there it's sidearm if they have any fight left in them while I wait for the police. If 6 loud shots doesn't scare anyone else looking to do harm away, I don't know what would. Over penetration is not even a factor. Most home defense situations are at night and if your like me you sleep upstairs, which means you're likely firing down wards. If they are on the same floor it's parallel and projectiles would be tumbling after hitting anything then traveling extended distances. The test you never see is ballistic gel getting hit, then 5ft away hitting drywall, then 2 inches drywall, then 10 ft away another piece of drywall. Simulating actual rooms in houses. Instead you see people stack drywall close and go, "see it penetrated 8 layers.". That's not how it works, gravity, inertia , friction and trajectory are all forces that play a role in real life. Something that should be considered... On the ar15, 30 rounds will only get you in trouble in court. I work in legal for a us top 10 insurance company. As soon as their back turns and are scared you need to stop firing, very easy to get carried away with 30 rounds. If the zombies come though, my ar15 will be in my safe waiting.
Just the image of John alone in an empty room cracking a joke and laughing at his own joke while talking to himself in front of a camera gets me every time lol
For someone who "taught classes all day for 8 hours, I'm tired and don't feel like making a video", it sure looked like you had fun making one! I love the enthusiasim and passion! Great video as always. As a dad myself, I appreiate the dad humor!
Thank you for this video. Recent Minneapolis riots and first hand account from son living there had me revisit this issue for variety of reasons. You seem to be the only channel on UA-cam that can successfully blend your military kinetic experience (practical credibility) with civilian educational techniques. Thank you again, you helped my family in developing self defense protection capability.
Exactly I think you need to show the world just how much dimensia you have. What better way then to shoot your double barrel 12 gague dry up in the air.
Well and walking around the house with the AR is tiresome. Having the pistol at hands reach is way more reasonable as a daily rather than looking like a cook with his AR strapped to him 24/7 =P.
when you said longbow I immediately pictured you tagging an violent intruder with a broad head then jumping off the staircase with a tomahawk in hand to finish stopping the threat.
For someone who is experienced, any of the 3 are going to be a good option for home defense it just depends on what you are most comfortable with and what your situation is specifically, home size/design, do you have kids you may have to move through the house to get to, etc.
Yup, I have a small house but the bedrooms are split. I have to go from my bedroom, into the main livingroom/kitchen area to get to the hallway the kids stay in. I have a small house in a lower middle class neighborhood. The area is pretty safe, probably because most of us don't have enough for criminals to risk. I also live on South Texas and we have loads of guns. "An armed society is a polite society!"
Barbed wire wrapped around a Louisville Slugger. Of course, you would also need motorcycle cop pants, motorcycle cop boots, a red scarf, and a leather barnstormer jacket.........
I appreciate your thoughtful approach to this question. Two thoughts in defense of the shotgun: why do you assume it would be a pump action shotgun that's preferred? While rimmed shotgun shells may never provide quite the level of reliability of rimless AR or pistol ammunition, semiauto shotguns are really good these days plus they're softer shooting. Second: I think that either your Capacity criterion needs tweaking or a new criterion needs to be added such as Projectiles Per Trigger Pull. Sure, your AR can hold 30 rounds (or 29, as you prefer ... yes, I've watched some of your other videos). But what is the likelihood of needing a lot of rounds? I'm sure you can send 9-15 .223 caliber bullets toward a target quite quickly but I'll bet you can send 19-15 .32 or .36 caliber spheres of buckshot per trigger pull FAR more quickly. While a shotgun may only offer 4-6 rounds (typically), each of those rounds packs a lot more projectiles. And since we're talking about home defense, the range limitations of a shotgun versus an AR are almost irrelevant. Who would anyone of us be engaging in a home defense situation at 50 meters less alone 200? It's more likely to be 10 FEET plus or minus five feet. At those ranges, I'll bet my life on a shotgun over an AR any day.
I have my Benelli M4 with the tube changed out to hold more. So it can hold 9 rounds with ghost loading. I'd say that's more than enough to end the threat.
@Tan Pham I agree, but I won't have the shotgun for home defense without having a side weapon (at least a pistol) to keep fighting if it run out of ammo.
So breaking down further, if you both fail that very 1st shot (i think it is more likely to fail that very 1st one) you fail 15 to 19 proyectiles already just with 1 pull, while with the AR is just 1 bullet, then for the 2nd bullet to be in target it gets harder to hit with the shotgun due recoil than the AR, and if the bad guy shots back even worse.
I got a KSG-25. Sure, probably not the absolute best for HD but I won’t be running out of ammo anytime soon lol. Especially if I load mini shells I’d have 40 rounds of buck and slugs at my disposal
While I cannot dispute the logic here, I settled on a Glock 23, with a tactical light/green laser, and a spare mag attached to the first via lanyard, rather than using an AR. I made this choice for the following reasons: 1. Smaller and easier to handle in my small home, with narrow doors, and hallway. 2. Easier storage/accessibility. I decided that moving a long gun in/out of the safe each time I leave/enter the house would be cumbersome, and would result in my either not storing it properly when I left, or failing to pull it out of the safe when getting home. Where as the smaller pistol safe is much more accessible, and I just swap mags and carry it out of the house. Also, the long gun is more difficult to carry/store near me as I walk about the house. The above challenges made me conclude that I simply would not have the long gun within reach should I ever need it, and would be far more likely to actually have the pistol ready and available. And when you get down to it, the best gun, is the one that you actually have when you need it.
That depends if you're actually trying to clear the house for whatever reason. Call the police -- hold up in a safe room with the gun pointed at the door, and stay on the phone.
@@-John-Doe- Fuck that. I am not calling the police to come save me, every time there is a noise that needs investigating in my home. Oh gee, it was just the dog knocking something over, but don't worry, we shot him for you.
Lights play a huge factor in this. I've had to clear my house 3 times in life so far, thankfully nothing was ever threatening.. That said, a pistol with a light is my choice over my AR or 12g because opening doors, turning corners and such is much easier with a handgun close to the body than any long gun with the end of the barrel extended from the torso. I'm also trained with the 3, still handgun wins every time for me. The home makes a difference as well of what to choose in the bump of the night scenario. If I'm clearing a house, handgun. If I'm holding my ground with my family, AR all day. Just my .2 not that y'all even care but it's what I am more confident with.
Wife and I have a hand gun concealed somewhere in every single room. Including shotguns and AR-15s.. Total of about 20 firearms in our house... Of course there is 5 bedrooms, three bathrooms and Two floors... SO it only makes sense to have a fair number of home defense firearms hidden in different locations. You never know when wild animal or crazy asshole will invade your home. You might not be in a certain room when it happens, so best to have options.
You better hope the invader doesn't find any of your 20 firearms. It would most certainly suck to find your own gun pointed at you. Especially if the invader came in unarmed.
Ylisami ... Good luck finding, let alone getting too them. You need to know how to open and what to do to open the containers. OH and good luck getting in... I installed Polycarbonate windows and entrance ways are reinforced from kick ins. It would take a vehicle mounted battering ram to quickly get through the doors, and windows. We also live in a gated community that is patrolled regularly by security guards. There is also a surveillance system tied to an off site security response center that operates 24/7. SO thanks for the concern, but I am pretty sure I have my avenues of weakness covered.
Guess you don’t have kids... for those of us that do, that setup would be negligent. I hear you tho, I have 2 kids (11 and 13), both proficient with firearms, but i do have weapons hidden in a few places, but nowhere my kids know about, can reach, or will find. We all need to think responsibly where you place a firearm, and who also might have access.
@@ericpinnar... I personally have been shooting firearms since I was able to hold one. At 2 or 3 I learned to use a high powered Air rifle to prevent squirrels and rabbits and other vermin from distryoing the crops. Once I was able to hold the weight I was shooting small caliber gunpowder rifles. So as far back as I can remember I have been around firearms... I knew as a child not to play with them, and not to point them at anything you didn't intend to kill. So no with proper training it is NOT nelegent to have firearms in the house... Hell as a child the long rifles hung on the walls in plain sight. Handguns were put up by only so a stranger did not know where they were. I knew and had the training which included the respect for the dangers of such firearms. My children have the same training and discipline as I did as a child.
Thanks, just started getting my wife to the range and shooting pistol. She has also mentioned eventually getting a shotgun. We are thinking a 20 gauge because of her size, getting a home defense style of course. Working on getting her accustomed and trained.
Well you know, the fully semi-automatic assault rifled pistol shotgun is the deadliest weapon ever, period. The pistol grip means you can point it and have perfect aim every time. The rifling makes slugs spin so fast you are essentially shooting 50 hurricanes every second. As soon as you install a scope on it then it turns into an assault sniper shotgun. Just slap this puppy up on display and it will kill anything that even looks at it.
Not the fully semi-completely-partially automatic gun?! I hear those are also as heavy as two toddlers and the bullets are bigger than 50 caliber rounds
I use heat seeking bullets. Just open the door and fire in the general direction of the threat. Plus when I'm hunting the bullets cook my deer when they kill it. ua-cam.com/video/BRQqieimwLQ/v-deo.html
First line of defense: our 105 lb German Shepherd. If you’re lucky enough to get past her, you’ll meet me and my Benelli M4 with 00 buck and slugs in the saddle.
"sweet librarian build" HA HAAA, i love it. John, your videos are awesome, not only for the real content but for the comedic value as well. you keep things serious and lighthearted at the same time.
12 gauge cylinder bore 18.5” pump with buckshot for me within the household. I really think it’s the ideal weapon for the application. Based on the data, at typical in-house distances, average shot count to incapacitate an intruder would be around 1.3 for that type of weapon and load. Increased margin for error, even at such short distances. My wife would use a pistol due to some of the points you mentioned in the video.
The 2-3 times I legit thought someone was in my house, I always grabbed the pistol. I just don’t like swinging a long barrel around for someone to grab.
Awesome subject, John! Great video. 1. My wife respects the 12 gauge, but is very wary of the kick. She'll do anything to protect the kids. I pity the fool who puts them in danger. She won't mess around, and doesn't need me to take care of bidneth. Looking to get her a 20 gauge one day. 2. Both of us have pistols and I carry every day. She's not as readily practiced and doesn't get to the range very much. So, this too is something that needs attention. If it were up to me, I'd make us broke in buying ammo. I love the range. 3. I think the AR will be her "fun gun" when we get one. Getting one this month. (can't wait) Child safety is paramount, and how to keep guns at the ready in the home while keeping the kids away from them is an interesting balancing act. Looking forward to your thoughts on that as well....
Nelson LeDoux I had been considering concealment furniture. Some have shelves that require either magnet fobs or RFID fobs to open. They aren't secure as a gun or pistol safe (which I have) and once kids are aware of them they may become more risky to young and interested minds. They are a little pricey as well, but it may be an option to install in your bedroom and then put your weapon in at night then return the weapon to a safe in the morning. Being a shelf it would also be out of reach from toddlers if installed high. A gun safe with a quick access keypad and backup key just seems like the right course to go, but I agree with your concerns of having quick easy access, but secured. Two sites I was looking at were tacticalwalls.com and www.roughcountryrusticfurniture.com/concealment-shelves.html. I am not affiliated with them in any way nor do I endorse either or any other company with similar products.
Consider the 20 ga Shockwave for her. My GF who's broken both wrists and had plates can manage the recoil and it's all but certain that Aguila will come-out with their Minishells for that. I can keep 10rds in my 12ga Shockwave using them... in slugs, 00, or even birdshot. At a total of 26" long, the make maneuvering a breeze and under $400 almost a "no loss" to try and sell if she isn't into it. (my GF is great with pistols but will never be proficient with an AR... even though I'm an instructor, she's just not got the mindset to want to learn.)
wear it, and it will be available and nobody will be messing with it. Stop being lazy. If you can't just always wear a 1 lb 9mm or .38, lose some blubber.
Charles Byrne I'd stay away from rough country, wife ordered a mirror for me on my birthday (4/12) last year. It never came and won't refund her, actually ignore her completely, they are filthy crooks
I am watching this a year after taking my wife to the range with a Glock 19 and a 10.5 inch AR. She was better able to shoot the AR quickly and accurately the very first time than the 19.
I like your attitude. And thanks for videos. New gun owner a S&W, M&P EZ shield. If that’s what I use to learn, train, buy stuff for it, that’s probably what I’ll use for home alone defense. But I’ve heard a 20 Gauge shotgun is ideal for home defense. I’m learning. Due to people like you. Thank you.
Do shotguns take "load" and why do we say, it "penetrates" versus going through , you did say it in your joke, so were you joking too? It sounded really funny and made me laugh really loud, 'cause I guess I got a dirty mind.#gunporn. So the shotgun gives the load, or fires? Just for clarification. My shotgun gave a load. My shotgun fired a load. Two sides of the same coin. Arrive alive.
.223 at mach 3 is worse for your ears than .50 cal at mach 1.5. Over penetration, however, is a concern with misses. But the 350gr hollow points do a good job of dumping their energy into water based life forms.
Ok, just... Hear me out. Ahem... Home defense chainsaw You hear a bump in the night and rev that thing up you probably won't see anything but a trail of piss out the nearest exit.
Bart Kitzmiller Federal LE SP is great stuff, but you know what's even better? Lehigh Defense Controlled Chaos .223 Ammo. Iraqveteran8888 did a review on it, absolutely devastating results, it's like the G2 R.I.P. handgun round except it's actually affordable and designed to imitate a hollow-point, out of a rifle. Shreds flesh and bone to hell and stays inside of the scumbag(s).
Marcus Tanaka tell the cop if a big dog is better protection than a gun than why aren't all cops K-9 units?, and why do the K-9 units still carry guns?, if we don't need guns to protect our selves than neither do cops, if I have to carry a slingshot to protect myself than so do they. I'm a supporter of our law enforcement, but not the ones who try to enforce laws that don't exist.
I'm new to your channel and enjoy the info and your personality. You mention easy user guns for home defense. For my daughter (23yo) we bought her the Mossberg 410g Shockwave. Its light has low recoil, easy to use, and very effective for a beginner or a smaller stature person. I'd also like to thank you Sir for your service. 🇺🇸 Dj.
Because when you absolutely positively need to destroy (what's left of) the guy shooting at you, your hearing, your TV, the walls, the neighbors cat and the car about three blocks down? Accept no substitutes. 20mm is a wussy caliber anyways. Real men use a GAU-8 on a tripod. Overpenetration? Stopping Power? 11 is a generous, conservative estimate.
@Sean Stevenson This is the one reason I never opine having had outside or inside/outside jobs for 15 years of my life; two decades after basic training (where I went from 110-160) I am still fairly trim, over 200 lbs., and can tear up a standard flight of stairs in 5 seconds and a one-block hill in under 1 min. So I'm convinced that I'll never be content to be a desk jockey. Hope y'all implemented successful fitness programs.
Great minds think alike.Or we are both idiots and think alike...Either way, alike.I'd like to check your video out soon. I'm hesitant to pour through some of you long-time UA-camrs stuff because when I see something well done, I have no desire to do it anymore and would rather just make a 10 second video that says, "check out Mrgunsngear's video because he's already done a good video on everything I want to" ;)Hope you are well bro.
I've spent a little while on the mat, and one of the biggest take-away's I've encountered from different instructors is... Where one teacher can step in and instruct a certain technique in their way, some folks it might not click with. Another instructor steps in and teaches the same technique with slightly different vocabulary or style... and it clicks immediately. Please don't let info thats been covered by other channels deter you from passing on your own knowledge, in your own way. I certainly appreciate you doing it, and I'm sure others do as well. Thanks!
My girlfriend prefers the ak its all in the stance to control the recoil. She is tiny but has more control over it than some guys i know that are 220lbs. She also has outstanding groups with it too. The best gun to have in a gunfight is the one in your hand. Anything is better than nothing.
@@markpayton3895 is a state red? Your aloud to defend yourself. Is it blue? You'll go to prison. Here in Indiana we have stand your ground and castle doctrine laws that protect you.
Reality is nearly any bad-guy entering your home is going to flee like the wind once you deploy rounds at them. If John Wick is in your home good luck, but in 2019 most are low life inexperienced fools or crack heads looking to score quick and even if they are armed the chances of them wanting to stay and get into a gun fight are slim to none. That said, I keep a 14+ rounds of 9mm loaded and ready to go with an extra loaded and ready in case there's a need. Also depends on your family plan and home layout. In our case the wife is to take the kids into the walk-in closet in our Master Bath so essentially behind 3 doors...the bedroom, the bathroom and the closet. In there is another .357 and a shotgun both ready to roll. Anyone not sliding a badge under that door before opening it is likely toast.
You making that machine gun noise with your mouth reminded me of something that hasn't crossed my mind for 30 years. I was so jealous of a friend of mine when I was a boy because he could make the coolest machine gun noise when we played army, I practiced but never got any better that you just did.
Great Video. I think it really does come down to training. Nothing can replace putting the time in to get good with your tools. That being said, I’ve watched a lot of these gunfight videos on Active Self Protection with John Correia. One of the big themes is that the first person to get a shot on target almost always wins the gunfight. I think accuracy is king. What’s going to enable you to get that first shot on the target when you’re in a stressful situation. That’s why i would think for beginners that a shotgun would be the play.
Something that I believe should factor into this conversation is the ease of storing and retrieving your gun. If you cannot afford or fit a larger gun safe in your room, then the pistol is the best option. A small biometric safe is inexpensive and fits at the bottom of most nightstands.
@@exime9500 a good safe does 4 things: protects valuable possessions from theft, keeps firearms out of the hands of criminals, protects valuable possessions from fire damage, and most importantly keeps little ones from playing with firearms. If you will never get robbed, can guarantee there won’t be a fire and never have children or teenagers in your house, you might not need a safe.
@@chipsterb4946 exactly. I have a Hornady rapid ar safe under my bed. As a Texan, I don’t legally need it, but its easy to open before bed, and shut when I get up. Small price to pay to keep a 22 month old who manages to get into everything, away from a loaded rifle.
There is no such thing as "Semi-automatic". It's either auto or single shot. "Semi-Automatic" is a made term by Freedom Control (aka 'gun control') progressive Bolsheviks. Please stop using that term.
rayce banon no. single shot means you have to reload after firing. pump/ bolt/ lever action means that you have to chamber a new round every time you fire. semi automatic means you will fire one shot per trigger pull. fully automatic means you will be firing till you releash the trigger or run out of ammo
I disagree. Shotguns have high recoil making them unsuitable for people with small frames. They also have a decent learning curve that requires training to be able to reload quickly and not induce malfunctions under stress. I cant tell you how many time I have been out shooting sporting clays and the other guys there proclaim their trusty 870 to be their go to home defense gun while I watch them fumble around reloading it and short shuck it all day long. If thats how well they run it recreationally I can only imagine how fucked they are if they need to run it during an adrenaline dump. IMHO Get an AR and if you can a suppressor. Less recoil, higher capacity, faster reloads, faster to remedy most malfunctions should you have one, faster follow up shots. Only downside over a shotgun IMHO is the louder noise which is mediated away with a supressor. If you cant get a suppressor keep a set of electronic muffs (with fresh batteries) wrapped around the stock.
Agreed, Lonewolf, but a lot of the problem with shotguns comes from what the "traditional" choice for a shotgun is. 12 gauge pump is by far the most common. Buuuuut: consider (for home defense) a 20 gauge gas powered autoloader. - Plenty of power to stop a threat. Each pellet is traveling at the same speed as from a 12 gauge, there are just fewer of them. Each trigger pull of a 20 gauge is (roughly) equal to two trigger pulls of a .44 magnum or three from a .45 acp. Yes that's less powerful than a 12 gauge, but still plenty to get the job done. - Much easier to handle the recoil for a smaller shooter. There's much less kick to start with, plus the gas system eats up some of the recoil, plus the smaller frame means it's likely to fit my wife's body better so she can position it correctly to handle the recoil. - No short stroking problems. Pull the trigger and it fires, just like a pistol or an AR. People sometimes think of automating shotguns as unreliable, but I really don't think that's true. A pump can be abused, never cleaned, and still fire every time - except for user error under stress. But, if you keep a modern autoloader cleaned and lubed - the same as you would with a pistol - it has the same reliability as a pistol. I also agree with your implied statement that training is important. Thoughts? Anything I'm overlooking?
Brent Poole I like the traditional stock. if you are asking this question you don't have a full auto ar, so realistically the semiautomatic shotgun has the same rate of fire, but the traditional stock is much more instinctive to use in hand to hand, even in close quarters. did you just grab my barrel and push it away? some part of that force is now part of the force propelling the stock towards your face, thanks! if you stepped back I can follow through, or try to use the extra space to bring my gun to bear as the adrenaline allows. also though I would choose semi auto for my family member, I have killed enough people, and I am willing to risk my life so that the action of my shotgun can wordlessly tell someone to run, even if it only helps me to deal with taking another life... also, odd side note, in my limited experience, and may no one ever have this experience again, untrained people having to clear buildings did better with shotguns... actually because they wasted less amo they even did better than with captured full autos.... this is purely anecdotal, I hope that no one will ever have enough occasion to properly study if or why.
Brent Poole I have a Sagia 12 for home protecting it's the AK style shotgun good for anything you need in life and don't kick any or jam it's just a joy to own.You can have magazine that holds 5 to 30....I use 5 to deer hunt with slugs to a easy 100yds always 1 shot dirtnap.With the 20rd drums there is no recoil..I just trust this gun to keep us safe... Thanks
Jerry Tiernan i get the point of that but i was surprised when he said no can. What about the people in the house? kids wife etc? not only possibly permanent damage but the verbal commands you might need to give they wont hear after shots fired?
Jerry Tiernan first he led by saying he didn't want to make a video. Then the comments about taking the can off your home defense AR so that the neighbors can hear the gunfight? Yeah, maybe shouldn't have made this video.
Always Be Shooting - Or maybe making the video and presenting an informed opinion is a good thing, because it spurs thoughtful consideration that allows each of us to make our own better-informed decisions?
Michael Corbin go fire a few rounds throughout an SBR AR or AR pistol with XM193 ammo and no suppressor indoors and tell me how your ears feel. And even IF in the dead of night you grab your AR and put on EarPro and have to shoot, is everyone else in the dwelling going to have ear pro on? Besides the extremely loud report of the rifle is no guarantee that your neighbors are going to be alarmed and call the police. I think John has a tendency to talk a bit fast and just blurted out some nonsense. No big deal. If not recommended to use a can on your defensive carbine indoors then when/where should you run it?
I was a former firearms instructor, and for all my urban living (I live in a big city) friends who ask what they should buy for home defense, I always recommend a pistol caliber carbine (Ruger PC9 comes to mind). IMO it's the best for urban living, and gets overlooked a lot. Light, quieter than pistol and AR, light recoil, can easily use 30 round mags, and can mount lights, redots to them easily. I've never had a new shooter who was intimated by a PCC. My go to? SBR in 300 black out with can.
Awesome comparison and I totally agree, but there is one more criteria I think you should add. Close Encounters (or whatever you want to call it). If you are surprised by an intruder that is close enough to grab you or the gun, which I think is a realistic possibility in a home intruder scenario, it's probably easier to fight hand-to-hand and fire a pistol than it would be with a long gun.
I have a Bastard sword and shield. Its not sharp, but a good swing of that fucker will certainly disable (for life...) an intruder. The shield is a good bashing weapon too. I have a Bat'leth my dad willed to me. That is precision sharp. Pops was a machinist and honed it to split a piece of paper if you drop it on the edge, like butter. It can, and will easily sever a torso at the chest. Its heavy, sharp af, and within easy access. I dont need a gun, the Bastard is cleaving weapon and its sheer mass will shatter bones like glass, but if I need to, and the Klingon blade is great for disarming, slicing, and cleaving. And I forgot the NCO sword i have from the Marines. 800 dollar calvary sabre. I got my bases covered. If I gotta stab a mf all have a good point that will penetrate. I can impale half my block with one stab from the Highland Claymore, four separate and spaced out enemies and the batleth will, and Id rather not have the NCO sword get dirty unless i have no choice
Excellent video sir. Personally i keep a .40 pistol on the bed side table with a mossberg 500 next to it, my fiance keeps a 9mm on hers. On that note, she has trouble with the .40 and the shotgun but is dead on with the AR. Shes only been shooting about 2 years so it would seem your logic is sound to me. God bless and take care sir. Keep doing what youre doing.
I have all three categories, but my true home defense weapon is a bottle of Floridian water. Whenever you drink that you'll obtain the strength and tenacity of Florida man.
Great video. I’ve heard several times that it’s less about the type of gun and more about the shooter and their abilities/comfort with each type of gun. I recognize this is an “all else constant” analysis, but good reminder to get to the range to practice with your weapon of choice!
I guess he means in the event some husbands aren’t home the wife will be the next line of defense and it be best for them to have an effective means of comfortability when handling a firearm
You can be proficient with a less effective tool, doesn't make it a perfect tool. I can get real good at sticking metal together with a torch, but a welder is the ideal tool. Shotgun is generally the best tool for home defense.
@@Sheridantank Give or take that is true. Honestly it depends. For a 1-2 person burglary a shotgun is ideal. Full on home invasion of 5+ people I would want that armalite.
@@ReckerFidelWOLF They all work is the great thing... My ideal setup would be a handgun for EDC. A shotgun and AR at home, and a PDW/SMG style gun for the car
Low caliber (pistol round like .45) in a rifle platform with a suppressor. Easy to handle and use, low over penetration, and isn't extremely scary for children and loved ones that may be in a dark room afraid of the alarm.
A .45 caliber carbine something that's often overlooked. Plenty of power, accuracy, low muzzle flash and sound... Because having the equivalent of a flash bang grenade go off in your face at 3am with an AR15 isn't exactly great for follow up on target in real life.
Much respect- if nothing else just for that damn thumbnail. BADASS!!! Your speaking to the segment of newer shooters that needs this info, is much appreciated, I’m sure.
This was great info. I am wanting to buy my first gun for home defense. I am visually impaired. I’ve been thinking shotgun but you make a great case for the AR.
Before he started I knew the AR was going to win. He loves that gun and promotes it as much as possible. Tactical 18.5 Mossberg 12 gauge with #4 shot should due fine. At 10 - 15 feet or less the group should be tight. If I have to use more the 5 shots to finish the engagement then I need more trigger time.
Switched to #4 from 00 in my Remington 870. Still has the stopping power with less chance of over penetration. I have an AR and handguns but the shottie is my right under the bed nighttime choice. Tlr-1 light mounted on it. I live alone so no worries of hitting any friendlies. My house is fully alarmed and it's loud, very, very loud. It has two sirens, one that was built in to the house, and ADT's siren. I can tell you that the few times I've accidentally set it off, it's hard to even think clearly. For an attempted break-in, I believe it would dissuade someone(s) from proceeding. If they did, me knowing the layout of my home gives me a distinct advantage.
I think people with young children should consider a pistol. If you have young children that you may have to carry or usher from one side of the house to the other, I'd rather have a pistol than a long gun.
An AR pistol/sbr might be a consideration. They are very light weight and can be shot one handed from the shoulder pretty well and very accurately if needed. Energy does drop down from a rifle to a 357 magnum in 5.56 but you gain lower over penetration, higher capacity, and a more stable shooting platform.
John Lovell also running drills with the family to better prepare them for a just in case situation. Teaching children to go to their “safe place” and stay quiet till they hear you call for them or come to them. I run drills with my daughter and wife as to what needs to be done and what could potentially go wrong if I am taken out of the fight what they need to do. Same goes for public situations and teaching your kids the “exit” strategy or clutch behind strategy so you know where they are at all times in an event.
Glad I discovered this video! Hubby and I sat down together to view..... We have been "arguing" / discussing which is gun wins for most scenarios for me (wife) . As ALWAYS Thanks John you are the BEST and I admire your talent for protecting our families, ourselves, and our nation. Thank you so much!
There is one caveat on the ammunition capacity on the shotgun that was not considered. Yes, shotguns only carry 5-7 shells in the gun (with 4-6 in a side saddle as well), but each shell send multiple projectiles at once. My Beretta 1301 with Hornady Critical Defense #00 Buck is carrying 56 .33 caliber bullets on it. That's technically more than the AR and pistol combined.
I think one other thing worth mentioning is the way a jury or prosecutor might look at it. I am not saying it is right, but for two weapons that are so good at home defense effectiveness it is worth considering this. Use the better weapon to defend your family don't' get me wrong, but if you are someone who is considering them close enough that you are unsure, do take this into account. For example: The first and obvious example is always going to make you look less like someone out for blood to the ignorant or politically minded juror or prosecutor. Look, not saying this is logical or fair, but this is a reality. People are going to be less likely to villainize a shotgun than the "scary black military gun". But one thing I think rarely gets pointed out but actually is different, is number of trigger presses to take down an assailant. When it is often becoming the common practice to teach 5 shots to the chest with an AR instead of the classic double tap or something, prosecutors constantly over scrutinize "did you really have to shoot him THAT many times?" where in a courtroom you could have shot 5 shots in half a second but somehow, they will convince a jury the first 4 shots were legal, but that 5th shot was murder [which is nonsense, but nonsense is often believed in a politicized climate and courtroom]. They will scrutinize with slow mo video tape from the ring you happened to have in your house and act like you shot those 5 shots in half a second with 5 minutes to think between each one. Shotgun has one big advantage on this. Shotgun is generally more "stopping per trigger pull" than an Ar-15. Yes, the ballistics are different of course, but the power of 00 buck is of course significant and that is 9 shots per trigger pull. It IS rare you have to shoot hits with a shotgun to down a guy, and if so, you just pulled the trigger twice for 18 shots on the home invader. One to two trigger pulls for 18 shots of 00buck looks way better to a jury than 5+ trigger pulls from big scary military gun even if you probably did way more damage with those two trigger pulls than those 5 with the AR. As BS as the question is, having to answer why you pulled the trigger once or twice is far "easier" to explain than why you pulled the trigger 5 times. Is that enough reason to pick a shotgun over an AR? Maybe not, but if you are closely enough undecided then yes maybe. If you feel the AR will win you the home defense battle while the shotgun won't, then by all means win the battle and survive and worry about the legal political hacks later, but it is something to consider.
I enjoy and learn a lot from your videos even though I’m far from a novice. In your videos. I completely agree with this assessment spot on. One small thing I’d like to add is the standard time for a civilian firefight. Typically for a civilian firefight the exchange of rounds don’t traditionally last longer then 3 shots. With this said the amount of ammo carried doesn’t really comply. With this additional change it would put the shotgun in first place and the rifle in second for a home self defense weapon. Due to my household being very large over penetration is my number one fear. Thank you so much for all your kick ass videos!!!
Seeing as though I have a family to look out, I've been having a lot home invasion type 'dreams' running in my head. Although I have firearms in the house, I've learned in these home self defense videos, the underlying message is to have it available when you need it most and be ready to throw lead. This comes at a cost of safety by doing things like chambering a round... it makes me nervous as hell but I cant imagine the sheer horror of hearing click when you want it to go boom when it matters the most.
@@JacqueCRISCOsdah yes, the necessity of a flash light cannot be understated. Also make some noise, I want whoever is in my house to have every opportunity to identify or leave.
In the end, you need to train with whatever weapon you choose, and make choices to optimize it for the home defense parameters considered here. All three can work. Great video.
I disagree about no can on a HD rifle. Honestly if I got in a gunfight at night in my neighborhood, by the time it was all over IF the neighbors heard it, they wouldn't be cognizant enough to know what it was and would go back to sleep. My HD gun is a 300 blackout with a silencer on it, I'd rather be able to maintain as much of my hearing as possible. However, my only tactical training comes from a few years of volunteering at the police department and a couple pistol classes. So if there is a flaw in my logic, I'm open to constructive criticism
John Lovell this topic reminds me of a a conversation with a police sergeant. He asked me, how many gunshots does it take for someone to call the police? 3.. 1 shot gets their attention, the 2nd one is just fireworks, and the 3rd one by golly is gunfire!
.300 is going to plow through more walls before destabelizing than .223. Just food for thought. That being said a supressed AR with preferably a short barrel is ideal for home defense. Handguns are hard to use under stress and require a TON of training to be really good with and shotguns are prone to user induced malfunctions under stress as well as being way to long with a traditional ribbed barrel. I cant tell you how many times ive watched people short shucking pump guns just having a good time at a sporting clays range. I can only imagine what a cluster fuck they are to use under stress.
You would be surprised. I have worked in areas where residents heard strings of gunfire but never even realized what it was when interviewed. Some thought fireworks, others thought someone was roofing at night. Normalcy bias plays a role that it can't happen "here".
It's funny cause in my neighborhood, in reference to "how many gunshots does it take...", with all the recent growth my famous little "weird" PNW city has had lately and the advent of online "neighborhood gossip" group-sites (Neighborhood Connections...ugh) EVERYONE thinks they hear gunfire nearly every night and we've even had some transplant Kalifornians call the bomb-squad/FD/PD("SEND EVERYONE!!!!") because a gas-can fell off a landscaping truck and was left along side of the road for a day or two... Food for thought on the subject of HD calibers: 10mm Auto from a G20 is surprisingly close, ballistically to subsonic .300BO when used within say 50yds. I'm not saying they're the same thing but if you're talking sub-sonic and within the avg. engagement distance of a home-defence situation they're very similar except the 10mm Pistol if handled well is much more compact and easy to maneuver.
I went with a 20ga semi auto youth model for my girlfriend. the recoil she can handle, if ( God forbid ) she gets a jam she know how to clear it. we practiced 1-2 times at home just reloading but in the dark. she has the feel of the gun. best part all she has to do is
Great video. My favorite home defense weapon is the KSG loaded with 3/4" #4 buckshot. My wife prefers the 9mm pistol platform. That's just what she's comfortable with and capable of shooting accurately. By the way, that slug joke had me laughing so hard, I had to pause the video for a few seconds.
My go to solution is to grab my antique dueling pistols, if the intruder can beat me in an old fashioned duel he deserves my possessions since he is the superior man.
Memer -_- 😆😆👏🏼👏🏼
Thanks for the needed laugh good sir! 😂
Maybe the democrats should think of this. Be a good way to handle the unfair fight mentality. Only catch is you never said both were loaded nor would need to grantee they were.
🤔😂🤣🤯
Why didn't I think of that
Sounds like a pretty good time to me.
My go to is my cavalry saber. The worst part is cleaning up all the horse poop out of the bedroom.
Here in NY I've been using a slingshot for home defense w/ no more than 10 rocks in my pockets, sad.....
+NICYS Firearms Instruction I'm pretty sure that's illegal there...
Lucky you. I'm from Belgium and here slingshots are in fact, Illegal.
I don't know man, if I pop a home intruder with my slingshot, he's probably gonna wish I had shot him instead!
+debaser71 In NY, my hands are illegal too! They hold more than 10 rounds. ;-)
NICYS Firearms Instruction that's a shame I bought my colt carbine an M3 Benelli super 90 also a Glock 17 in lower Manhattan. Is John jovinos still around.
John: “If you disagree, I don’t care, that’s great.” *thumbs up*
Me: *subscribe*
Lucas Hayes same
I gave it an instant thumbs up as that same exact spot, as I had just subscribed a few second prior! That comment made me laugh and instantly like this guy.
It's pretty nice to hear a You Tuber be that honest.❤️
Literally my response
John, I am going to have to respectfully disagree. Everyone knows that the ultimate home defense weapons system is the claymore roomba.
Dude, you might be a genius!
Claymore Roomba, wow, that even just sounds cool.
@@BeansAndBullets1391 do claymores use trip wires? Would the roomba just pull the pin out on its own claymore
@PARK well then, now that the loony toons have joined the chat I'd like to remind everyone that the only way to keep the boogie man and his globalist cronies from controlling your mind is by keeping your tin foil hat on at all times, remember the government can read your thoughts so make sure they're scrambled 🤣
@PARK yes and while the opressers disarm people of their weapons organized religion does what it has always done, disarm people's minds, think about how many times in history this dogma has been used to distract and blind faith has been used to oppress and exploit, so while you're off chasing the boogie man the real tyrants of this world are free to do as they please
@PARK cool story bro, just so you know Christianity absolutely is a religion, it's also a great collection parables and stories, not saying there's no wisdom in it but the literal notion of a man in the clouds and his magical son is all just fairy tales, now I respect your freedom of religion and belief but what I get annoyed by is the blind faith that let's you believe in things with no measurable basis in reality like the existence of a "soul" and to disbelieve things that are measurably and demonstrationally proven, it's called science, it doesn't require blind faith just an open free thinking mind, religion started as a way for man to explain a world he couldn't understand and for a while it worked but we have grown out of it, we have the technology and science to actually answer some of those questions, the but religion is used more and more as it has been for a long time to simply control people's minds and make them think stupid shit like Obama being the Antichrist, now I'm not a fan of Obama but Antichrist? Really? That's some funny shit🤣, if you think Obama is the Antichrist then who is Kim Jong Un, or who was Adolf Hitler, or Joseph Stalin, or what about Caligula, surely that crazy bastard rates higher on the might be the Antichrist scale than Obama, you Bible thumpers are hilarious 🤣
I lay micro machines on the floor, hang paint cans off strings, and ice my porch and sidewalks.
Don't forget the BB gun and the tarantula 🤣
Harry and Marv won't see it coming. Don't forget the heat element on the doorknob
Ah, the ol' Home Alone School of Tactics taught ya that one. Remember the tree house and the old man with a shovel. Classics are classics.
Lol also have an vhs of a old gangster movie with lots of machine gun noise.
Keep tha change, ya filthy animal!
".....so I shot my shotgun and everyone in the east died immediately.." 🤣 I bout lost it there.. 👌
Obviously they mistook the word "shotgun" for "Chuck Norris".
My perfect home defense weapon is a machete, because no one wants to fight a 300 pound naked man with a machete.
Lol, I'm stealing that... I'm also 6ft 250 and sleep naked so it works.
what if the intruder is a gay man who is into 300lb naked men?
That would depend on if you're a 300lb fat man or a 300lb lean man.
@@corynorell3686 Somewhere in between, I used to power lift in high school and college but now I also do competitive eating so I'm strong but jiggly.
I made a mini Lucille with a mini Louisville slugger... I bet one strike with that will make someone think twice.
Thanks for this. I’m a single mom who stopped in a firearms store to pose this exact question and they had the same answer you had. My dad was shocked and had the misconception that I had before talking to the firearms representative me that that it would blow through my wall into a neighbors house (I live in a vinyl village). I’m doing research before making a decision and am leaning toward the AR. I am also signed up for a 4 hour home defense course next month.
This video is pretty bad , as he doesn't give a single real-world example to illustrate any of his claims.
@@shaft9000 its through perspective
@@shaft9000 he prefaced with the fact that its his opinion. the evidence is his own experience.
Vinyl village - nice, will be using that.
@geno even a fmj 556 will fragment inside a body or gel. But yes hollow points if ya got em!
I was taking a sip of expensive whisky, when you said that my shotgun slug would wrap around the earth and hit me in the back of my head.
To be quite honest, the burn of that whisky in my sinus cavity as I half snorted it, half coughed it up, was quite painful.
Fortunately, I was able to not spit it all over my monitor.
Bob Jackson were you drinking “whisky” as in scotch? Not very American of you. Whiskey is better.
@@nickcivetta2 Specifically, it was "Bookers", so very American indeed, thank you very much. haha
(great stuff, highly recommended).
When I used to drink 'grain' and had a stuffy nose, would snort a drop or two..... sinus cleared!!! NP!!!
@@holysoldier7485 Wow... the things I learn on the internet! haha
Thanks man! ;)
A teaspoon of Wasabi will work also.
When you said no can and you wanted the neighborhood to know you're in a gun fight, I pictured you in the scene from John Wick. When the cops come to his house, see all the bodies and they are like "you working again John..?"
+Coyote Tactical Solutions haha - they are friends - but I don't think that'd help me too much if I massacred a hit squad
Call me soon bro.
Ill hit you up tomorrow :)
teaching a room clearing class all Sunday, but maybe you can get me on break or after. Should finish up around 4
Coyote Tactical Solutions
The neighborhood will not hear pencils entering craniums.
Correction there were no dead bodies at that particular scene of the movie so your statement is false.
My go-to for home defense is an AR pistol in 12 gauge.
It must be great to live in a free state and not a slave state
I prefer my Saiga 12, just kinda worried how the court would view my case after unloading 13 rounds of 00 buckshot into the intruder. I have an AK I could use but that might be worse...
michael swanson I used to stay in Nc, bought my first rifle there. Now I stay in Georgia, same gun laws. They are loose gun laws and considered “slave states” chill guy
@@X.L.B1 no where nc
Sounds like a Black Aces Tactical.
Why not just put a "gun free zone" sign in front of your house and avoid getting into a gun fight in the first place?
Right?! 😂
Do you wear a mask while alone in your vehicle?
Or put a gun free zone sign in front of the house but still have guns to blow whoever walks through the door
I mean my security system stops threats. That phone call really scares away the bad guy. They see that sloman shield and piss their pants.
Semi auto shotgun is my choice. So much flying in their direction they don't have time to turn and assess what's happening. And in litigation I emptied so fast (~ 2s) that they never got that chance to run away. From there it's sidearm if they have any fight left in them while I wait for the police.
If 6 loud shots doesn't scare anyone else looking to do harm away, I don't know what would.
Over penetration is not even a factor. Most home defense situations are at night and if your like me you sleep upstairs, which means you're likely firing down wards. If they are on the same floor it's parallel and projectiles would be tumbling after hitting anything then traveling extended distances. The test you never see is ballistic gel getting hit, then 5ft away hitting drywall, then 2 inches drywall, then 10 ft away another piece of drywall. Simulating actual rooms in houses. Instead you see people stack drywall close and go, "see it penetrated 8 layers.". That's not how it works, gravity, inertia , friction and trajectory are all forces that play a role in real life. Something that should be considered...
On the ar15, 30 rounds will only get you in trouble in court. I work in legal for a us top 10 insurance company. As soon as their back turns and are scared you need to stop firing, very easy to get carried away with 30 rounds. If the zombies come though, my ar15 will be in my safe waiting.
Do you also take horse dewormer like Trump supporters?😂
The best home defense is my mother in-law with her flip flop
Chancla!
Or her freakn mouth
Damn it. Mine would make them something to eat while they robbed me and would have gotten laid when they were done.
Travis Grider hey I wouldn’t mess with her
The 2nd Amendment doesn't cover the Chancla. Way too deadly. Scarred many children. Those should be illegal worldwide. 😁
Just the image of John alone in an empty room cracking a joke and laughing at his own joke while talking to himself in front of a camera gets me every time lol
Don't forget the pistol on his hip
@@tat2edking586 he definitely is a handsome ranger. I don’t know about Arizona though.
I want my whole neighborhood to know "John's in a gunfight, call the police" 😂
JUSTIN WILKINSON again?!? Haha
I think their going to need an ambulance too!!!
😂😂😂😂😂
"You workin' again, John?"
"John's in a gunfight, it won't last long. Go back to sleep.
For someone who "taught classes all day for 8 hours, I'm tired and don't feel like making a video", it sure looked like you had fun making one! I love the enthusiasim and passion!
Great video as always. As a dad myself, I appreiate the dad humor!
I guess I've been going about about it all wrong with my flamethrower. It seemed effective in all the films...
and it provides illumination. so yeah, there's that.
+leadpersuasion no, you are right. Flame on 🔥
leadpersuasion hearing safe without the tax stamp. I like it
now hold it if the flamethrower works for you, what the heck!!!!
leadpersuasion burn down the village in order to save it.
2:21 - That's why I immediately take the prone position after firing a shotgun slug. I don't have a mark on the back of my head to this day.
Drop shot with the 12ga for the win
Y'all should play Portal; all bad 'dad jokes' come to life in that game...
Best home defense is a box of LEGOs thrown across the floor and a "please remove shoes" doormat...
I feel this at a personal level
Son of a gun, great minds think alike, I was going to post that!
Well played sir...I'll never break into your home. Lol
After years and years, people still act like lego hurts that bad when you stop on it all thanks to a meme lol...
Thats considered inhumane!
Thank you for this video. Recent Minneapolis riots and first hand account from son living there had me revisit this issue for variety of reasons. You seem to be the only channel on UA-cam that can successfully blend your military kinetic experience (practical credibility) with civilian educational techniques. Thank you again, you helped my family in developing self defense protection capability.
Get a double barrel shotgun. Go out on the balcony, and fire 2 blasts.
Lmao
Yes, the classic Joe Biden style! Love it!
Just heard that interview this last week for the first time 😆
Hahahaha, "c'mon man"
Dang it Just realized I gotta go out and get a balcony.
Exactly I think you need to show the world just how much dimensia you have. What better way then to shoot your double barrel 12 gague dry up in the air.
This guy is a hoot to watch. Very enjoyable, informative and thought-provoking.
Your dad jokes are amazing, never edit you being yourself! Your amazing, funny, and so honest! It shows every video!
Best home defense?
My couch.
Damn thing broke m toes twice already without me even noticing it was there.
Pretty sure my woman would choose the coffee table for the same reason...
Vacuum cleaner in the dark, 3 toes, limped for days. Wife laughed, I had said I would vacuum the bedroom ... KARMA
My tactical assault bed frame is almost deadly.
"The purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the shoulder weapon you should never have put down in the first place
Well and walking around the house with the AR is tiresome. Having the pistol at hands reach is way more reasonable as a daily rather than looking like a cook with his AR strapped to him 24/7 =P.
@@Vorenthral 10.5" ARs are not really tiresome to clear rooms with
goingtoscotland everything is tiresome, the lighter the gun the longer you can carry it. Doesn’t get simpler than that
Cs:go in a nutshell
HHaha!
when you said longbow I immediately pictured you tagging an violent intruder with a broad head then jumping off the staircase with a tomahawk in hand to finish stopping the threat.
+OEF2012 shhh....
Quit giving away my home Defense plan! Come on man. Not cool. 😉
Did he have a red tattered strip of cloth tied around his forehead in what you pictured? Cause he did for me.
Badassly Possibly!
Here in California I'd be using the musket. 🦄🦋
+John M haha. Shooting marshmallows
Well if you can hit a snowflake with a musket...
John M we still have at least 10 more years to go before our rights are stripped to muskets here.
Can you at least have a bayonet or a shoulder thing that goes up? What are they called again? Barrel shrouds?
In Italy we use "magic wands that shoots unicorns"...
For someone who is experienced, any of the 3 are going to be a good option for home defense it just depends on what you are most comfortable with and what your situation is specifically, home size/design, do you have kids you may have to move through the house to get to, etc.
Yup, I have a small house but the bedrooms are split. I have to go from my bedroom, into the main livingroom/kitchen area to get to the hallway the kids stay in. I have a small house in a lower middle class neighborhood. The area is pretty safe, probably because most of us don't have enough for criminals to risk. I also live on South Texas and we have loads of guns. "An armed society is a polite society!"
My weapon of choice: John Wick.
Yeah, I just let my pet John Wick out of his cage.
The Equalizer would dominate this weapon class
I'll accept that! Can I borrow him for date nights too?😆🤘
Pencil gang rise up.
I want Christian Bale "Equilibrium" Using Gun Kata as my weapon.
You left out the flashbang and tomahawk combo.
I would love to see that.
that would be a helluva action scene haha
Jacob Golden TOMAHAWK and fighting knife vs aluminum Bat and Surgical blade?
My personal favorite.
Barbed wire wrapped around a Louisville Slugger. Of course, you would also need motorcycle cop pants, motorcycle cop boots, a red scarf, and a leather barnstormer jacket.........
REALLY enjoyed this one!!!
+Do It With Dan thx my friend 👊
Dan you're a subscriber too? awesome!
Look who we have here🏍
Oh hey, small world. 🤙🏼
Do It With Dan Are you and the Busa girl (Blaire??) dating now?? Also, how's the H2 treating ya?
I appreciate your thoughtful approach to this question. Two thoughts in defense of the shotgun: why do you assume it would be a pump action shotgun that's preferred? While rimmed shotgun shells may never provide quite the level of reliability of rimless AR or pistol ammunition, semiauto shotguns are really good these days plus they're softer shooting. Second: I think that either your Capacity criterion needs tweaking or a new criterion needs to be added such as Projectiles Per Trigger Pull. Sure, your AR can hold 30 rounds (or 29, as you prefer ... yes, I've watched some of your other videos). But what is the likelihood of needing a lot of rounds? I'm sure you can send 9-15 .223 caliber bullets toward a target quite quickly but I'll bet you can send 19-15 .32 or .36 caliber spheres of buckshot per trigger pull FAR more quickly. While a shotgun may only offer 4-6 rounds (typically), each of those rounds packs a lot more projectiles. And since we're talking about home defense, the range limitations of a shotgun versus an AR are almost irrelevant. Who would anyone of us be engaging in a home defense situation at 50 meters less alone 200? It's more likely to be 10 FEET plus or minus five feet. At those ranges, I'll bet my life on a shotgun over an AR any day.
I have my Benelli M4 with the tube changed out to hold more. So it can hold 9 rounds with ghost loading. I'd say that's more than enough to end the threat.
@Tan Pham I agree, but I won't have the shotgun for home defense without having a side weapon (at least a pistol) to keep fighting if it run out of ammo.
So breaking down further, if you both fail that very 1st shot (i think it is more likely to fail that very 1st one) you fail 15 to 19 proyectiles already just with 1 pull, while with the AR is just 1 bullet, then for the 2nd bullet to be in target it gets harder to hit with the shotgun due recoil than the AR, and if the bad guy shots back even worse.
I got a KSG-25. Sure, probably not the absolute best for HD but I won’t be running out of ammo anytime soon lol. Especially if I load mini shells I’d have 40 rounds of buck and slugs at my disposal
While I cannot dispute the logic here, I settled on a Glock 23, with a tactical light/green laser, and a spare mag attached to the first via lanyard, rather than using an AR. I made this choice for the following reasons:
1. Smaller and easier to handle in my small home, with narrow doors, and hallway.
2. Easier storage/accessibility. I decided that moving a long gun in/out of the safe each time I leave/enter the house would be cumbersome, and would result in my either not storing it properly when I left, or failing to pull it out of the safe when getting home. Where as the smaller pistol safe is much more accessible, and I just swap mags and carry it out of the house. Also, the long gun is more difficult to carry/store near me as I walk about the house.
The above challenges made me conclude that I simply would not have the long gun within reach should I ever need it, and would be far more likely to actually have the pistol ready and available. And when you get down to it, the best gun, is the one that you actually have when you need it.
That depends if you're actually trying to clear the house for whatever reason. Call the police -- hold up in a safe room with the gun pointed at the door, and stay on the phone.
Great points.
@@-John-Doe- exactly. If there's home invaders im staying in a corner camping like call of duty
@@yonismo4098 I hear you, but in my home, a long gun is more of an impediment, than a help.
@@-John-Doe- Fuck that. I am not calling the police to come save me, every time there is a noise that needs investigating in my home. Oh gee, it was just the dog knocking something over, but don't worry, we shot him for you.
Lights play a huge factor in this. I've had to clear my house 3 times in life so far, thankfully nothing was ever threatening.. That said, a pistol with a light is my choice over my AR or 12g because opening doors, turning corners and such is much easier with a handgun close to the body than any long gun with the end of the barrel extended from the torso. I'm also trained with the 3, still handgun wins every time for me. The home makes a difference as well of what to choose in the bump of the night scenario. If I'm clearing a house, handgun. If I'm holding my ground with my family, AR all day. Just my .2 not that y'all even care but it's what I am more confident with.
Wife and I have a hand gun concealed somewhere in every single room. Including shotguns and AR-15s.. Total of about 20 firearms in our house... Of course there is 5 bedrooms, three bathrooms and Two floors... SO it only makes sense to have a fair number of home defense firearms hidden in different locations. You never know when wild animal or crazy asshole will invade your home. You might not be in a certain room when it happens, so best to have options.
You better hope the invader doesn't find any of your 20 firearms. It would most certainly suck to find your own gun pointed at you. Especially if the invader came in unarmed.
Ylisami ... Good luck finding, let alone getting too them. You need to know how to open and what to do to open the containers. OH and good luck getting in... I installed Polycarbonate windows and entrance ways are reinforced from kick ins. It would take a vehicle mounted battering ram to quickly get through the doors, and windows. We also live in a gated community that is patrolled regularly by security guards. There is also a surveillance system tied to an off site security response center that operates 24/7. SO thanks for the concern, but I am pretty sure I have my avenues of weakness covered.
Guess you don’t have kids... for those of us that do, that setup would be negligent. I hear you tho, I have 2 kids (11 and 13), both proficient with firearms, but i do have weapons hidden in a few places, but nowhere my kids know about, can reach, or will find. We all need to think responsibly where you place a firearm, and who also might have access.
@@ericpinnar... I personally have been shooting firearms since I was able to hold one. At 2 or 3 I learned to use a high powered Air rifle to prevent squirrels and rabbits and other vermin from distryoing the crops. Once I was able to hold the weight I was shooting small caliber gunpowder rifles. So as far back as I can remember I have been around firearms... I knew as a child not to play with them, and not to point them at anything you didn't intend to kill. So no with proper training it is NOT nelegent to have firearms in the house... Hell as a child the long rifles hung on the walls in plain sight. Handguns were put up by only so a stranger did not know where they were. I knew and had the training which included the respect for the dangers of such firearms. My children have the same training and discipline as I did as a child.
If I am a neighbor and I hear gunshots coming from John's, I just call the morgue.
+fsmoura haha
John Wick 3
John Lovell do you ever get to the northeast area for seminars.
fsmoura , Lol!!!!
"You working John?" lol
Thanks, just started getting my wife to the range and shooting pistol. She has also mentioned eventually getting a shotgun. We are thinking a 20 gauge because of her size, getting a home defense style of course. Working on getting her accustomed and trained.
“If you disagree I don’t care” words to live by my friend
AR pistol best of all three. Compact, mag capacity and destructive hitting power.
Well you know, the fully semi-automatic assault rifled pistol shotgun is the deadliest weapon ever, period. The pistol grip means you can point it and have perfect aim every time. The rifling makes slugs spin so fast you are essentially shooting 50 hurricanes every second. As soon as you install a scope on it then it turns into an assault sniper shotgun.
Just slap this puppy up on display and it will kill anything that even looks at it.
You guys put way too much thought into this. 😁
Not the fully semi-completely-partially automatic gun?! I hear those are also as heavy as two toddlers and the bullets are bigger than 50 caliber rounds
I use heat seeking bullets. Just open the door and fire in the general direction of the threat. Plus when I'm hunting the bullets cook my deer when they kill it.
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I smell BS. But you do know that there is such a thing as an assault shotgun, right? Not made for home defense, though.
First line of defense: our 105 lb German Shepherd. If you’re lucky enough to get past her, you’ll meet me and my Benelli M4 with 00 buck and slugs in the saddle.
I want my whole neiborhood to hear that John is in a gunfight Lmao. Nice video bro
thx man
"If you disagree I don't care. Moving on" I don't know why I laughed so hard, maybe it was the straight face.
"sweet librarian build" HA HAAA, i love it. John, your videos are awesome, not only for the real content but for the comedic value as well. you keep things serious and lighthearted at the same time.
12 gauge cylinder bore 18.5” pump with buckshot for me within the household. I really think it’s the ideal weapon for the application. Based on the data, at typical in-house distances, average shot count to incapacitate an intruder would be around 1.3 for that type of weapon and load. Increased margin for error, even at such short distances. My wife would use a pistol due to some of the points you mentioned in the video.
I was taken back that he didn't include semi auto shotguns. I too have a short barreled pump but anyone can cycle a semi auto
I've been seeing more and more home invasion with multiple bad guys
The 2-3 times I legit thought someone was in my house, I always grabbed the pistol. I just don’t like swinging a long barrel around for someone to grab.
Awesome subject, John! Great video.
1. My wife respects the 12 gauge, but is very wary of the kick. She'll do anything to protect the kids. I pity the fool who puts them in danger. She won't mess around, and doesn't need me to take care of bidneth. Looking to get her a 20 gauge one day.
2. Both of us have pistols and I carry every day. She's not as readily practiced and doesn't get to the range very much. So, this too is something that needs attention. If it were up to me, I'd make us broke in buying ammo. I love the range.
3. I think the AR will be her "fun gun" when we get one. Getting one this month. (can't wait)
Child safety is paramount, and how to keep guns at the ready in the home while keeping the kids away from them is an interesting balancing act. Looking forward to your thoughts on that as well....
Nelson LeDoux I had been considering concealment furniture. Some have shelves that require either magnet fobs or RFID fobs to open. They aren't secure as a gun or pistol safe (which I have) and once kids are aware of them they may become more risky to young and interested minds. They are a little pricey as well, but it may be an option to install in your bedroom and then put your weapon in at night then return the weapon to a safe in the morning. Being a shelf it would also be out of reach from toddlers if installed high. A gun safe with a quick access keypad and backup key just seems like the right course to go, but I agree with your concerns of having quick easy access, but secured. Two sites I was looking at were tacticalwalls.com and www.roughcountryrusticfurniture.com/concealment-shelves.html. I am not affiliated with them in any way nor do I endorse either or any other company with similar products.
Consider the 20 ga Shockwave for her. My GF who's broken both wrists and had plates can manage the recoil and it's all but certain that Aguila will come-out with their Minishells for that. I can keep 10rds in my 12ga Shockwave using them... in slugs, 00, or even birdshot. At a total of 26" long, the make maneuvering a breeze and under $400 almost a "no loss" to try and sell if she isn't into it. (my GF is great with pistols but will never be proficient with an AR... even though I'm an instructor, she's just not got the mindset to want to learn.)
wear it, and it will be available and nobody will be messing with it. Stop being lazy. If you can't just always wear a 1 lb 9mm or .38, lose some blubber.
Charles Byrne I'd stay away from rough country, wife ordered a mirror for me on my birthday (4/12) last year. It never came and won't refund her, actually ignore her completely, they are filthy crooks
Don’t hold back that 20 for her. If she is more comfy with that make it happen.
I am watching this a year after taking my wife to the range with a Glock 19 and a 10.5 inch AR. She was better able to shoot the AR quickly and accurately the very first time than the 19.
I like your attitude. And thanks for videos. New gun owner a S&W, M&P EZ shield. If that’s what I use to learn, train, buy stuff for it, that’s probably what I’ll use for home alone defense. But I’ve heard a 20 Gauge shotgun is ideal for home defense. I’m learning. Due to people like you. Thank you.
Dude, I dig your honesty man. Hats off to you sir.
+fmxmyway thx man
Do shotguns take "load" and why do we say, it "penetrates" versus going through , you did say it in your joke, so were you joking too? It sounded really funny and made me laugh really loud, 'cause I guess I got a dirty mind.#gunporn. So the shotgun gives the load, or fires? Just for clarification. My shotgun gave a load. My shotgun fired a load. Two sides of the same coin. Arrive alive.
10.5" .50 Beowulf AR pistol. Works if the intruder is a bear too.
I like my ears thank u.. hahaha
Think it might have an over-penetration problem though :P
Sure, if you want your eardrums to explode
.223 at mach 3 is worse for your ears than .50 cal at mach 1.5. Over penetration, however, is a concern with misses. But the 350gr hollow points do a good job of dumping their energy into water based life forms.
olysean92 that’s why I left S. Cal. Bears and coyotes raiders in trash cans. Car window breaking robbers really pissed me off.
Ok, just...
Hear me out.
Ahem...
Home defense chainsaw
You hear a bump in the night and rev that thing up you probably won't see anything but a trail of piss out the nearest exit.
Who’s the smartest guy in the room? ☝️
Plaudits man! 👏🏻
Butt nekkid with a hockey mask and chainsaw
"If you disagree I don't care that's great" I love it
The interjection of humor on these videos is priceless! Thank you!
+MasterGhilieman all I've got are dad jokes though!
John Lovell As a dad I might be biased but they are the best.
John Lovell all I have is dad jokes and I'm not even a dad yet. Boy, when that day comes though, the world will know
My choice for home defense is my AR pistol with a 10.5" barrel and the kak industries shockwave blade. Using Federal LE 64 grain soft point.
+Bart Kitzmiller 👍👍👍
Bart Kitzmiller Be proud Lovell appreciates your set up, you're doing something right haha.
this comment caught my eye cuz in South Africa "kak" means "shit." so the companies name is, "shit industries." hahahaha
Bart Kitzmiller Federal LE SP is great stuff, but you know what's even better? Lehigh Defense Controlled Chaos .223 Ammo. Iraqveteran8888 did a review on it, absolutely devastating results, it's like the G2 R.I.P. handgun round except it's actually affordable and designed to imitate a hollow-point, out of a rifle. Shreds flesh and bone to hell and stays inside of the scumbag(s).
Bart Kitzmiller ni
I just got a big dog, and then I gave him a shotgun.
+AlexanderSuperTramp hahaha. #winning
AlexanderSuperTramp 😁. But it is good having a dog big or small to warn you of trouble and give the home invader something to consider.
In Hawaii, the police deny all CCW applications. They actually said to go buy a big dog instead.
Marcus Tanaka tell the cop if a big dog is better protection than a gun than why aren't all cops K-9 units?, and why do the K-9 units still carry guns?, if we don't need guns to protect our selves than neither do cops, if I have to carry a slingshot to protect myself than so do they. I'm a supporter of our law enforcement, but not the ones who try to enforce laws that don't exist.
Big dog and guns.... Like dogs and guns..... Best model..... Me happy
I'm new to your channel and enjoy the info and your personality. You mention easy user guns for home defense. For my daughter (23yo) we bought her the Mossberg 410g Shockwave. Its light has low recoil, easy to use, and very effective for a beginner or a smaller stature person. I'd also like to thank you Sir for your service. 🇺🇸 Dj.
*Best Answer*
20mm anti tank rifle
Overpenetration : 6
What if you use 20mm HE Minengeschoß
TinLong Wong it’s great for blowing people in half
Civil war era cannon loaded with grape shot.... stopping power: what burglar
Because when you absolutely positively need to destroy (what's left of) the guy shooting at you, your hearing, your TV, the walls, the neighbors cat and the car about three blocks down? Accept no substitutes. 20mm is a wussy caliber anyways. Real men use a GAU-8 on a tripod.
Overpenetration? Stopping Power? 11 is a generous, conservative estimate.
Guess it depends on you're living situation and layout of your property.different tools for different jobs
I lost my gains and got that librarian build too now lol. Adulting never gets better
@Sean Stevenson
This is the one reason I never opine having had outside or inside/outside jobs for 15 years of my life; two decades after basic training (where I went from 110-160) I am still fairly trim, over 200 lbs., and can tear up a standard flight of stairs in 5 seconds and a one-block hill in under 1 min.
So I'm convinced that I'll never be content to be a desk jockey. Hope y'all implemented successful fitness programs.
NPCs: No! You can't use a shotgun for home defense. Too much spread and over penetration!
John/me: Haha shotgun go boom.
What? Too much spread? Do you live in a 10, 000 sqft home?
Great overview. I have a similar video from years ago and came to similar conclusions----long gun FTW
Great minds think alike.Or we are both idiots and think alike...Either way, alike.I'd like to check your video out soon. I'm hesitant to pour through some of you long-time UA-camrs stuff because when I see something well done, I have no desire to do it anymore and would rather just make a 10 second video that says, "check out Mrgunsngear's video because he's already done a good video on everything I want to" ;)Hope you are well bro.
I've spent a little while on the mat, and one of the biggest take-away's I've encountered from different instructors is... Where one teacher can step in and instruct a certain technique in their way, some folks it might not click with. Another instructor steps in and teaches the same technique with slightly different vocabulary or style... and it clicks immediately. Please don't let info thats been covered by other channels deter you from passing on your own knowledge, in your own way. I certainly appreciate you doing it, and I'm sure others do as well. Thanks!
Weavin01.
Weavin01... You're exactly right. I've been through that with guitar teachers... Everybody contributes something different.
I just found Johns' channel and now Mrgunsngears'. Thank you both. I have many hours of studying ahead
Lol “I want my whole neighborhood to hear JOHN is in a gun fight call the police” lmfao 😂😂
great video my wife prefers the ar
+Honest Outlaw Reviews your wife rocks
IMHO Most women who arent afraid of guns and are actually willing to try do prefer the AR. Lower recoil easier to shoot than a handgun or shotgun.
My girlfriend prefers the ak its all in the stance to control the recoil. She is tiny but has more control over it than some guys i know that are 220lbs. She also has outstanding groups with it too. The best gun to have in a gunfight is the one in your hand. Anything is better than nothing.
AR has the easiest learning curve too
I just wish he said it was .224 (Which it is) instead of it's given name of 223 rem
*Having a pistol at home but only rated 47% by John -- panik
*Going to get an AR-15 -- kalm
*Living in California -- panik
Thats only if you follow CA laws
Just throw them both in the trash. Unless they shoot you first you'll spend life in prison if you ever use it. Move somewhere better.
@@adolpholiverbush5867 What is this law called and which states don't do the same thing?
@@markpayton3895 is a state red? Your aloud to defend yourself. Is it blue? You'll go to prison. Here in Indiana we have stand your ground and castle doctrine laws that protect you.
Reality is nearly any bad-guy entering your home is going to flee like the wind once you deploy rounds at them. If John Wick is in your home good luck, but in 2019 most are low life inexperienced fools or crack heads looking to score quick and even if they are armed the chances of them wanting to stay and get into a gun fight are slim to none. That said, I keep a 14+ rounds of 9mm loaded and ready to go with an extra loaded and ready in case there's a need.
Also depends on your family plan and home layout. In our case the wife is to take the kids into the walk-in closet in our Master Bath so essentially behind 3 doors...the bedroom, the bathroom and the closet. In there is another .357 and a shotgun both ready to roll. Anyone not sliding a badge under that door before opening it is likely toast.
I have a similar setup and live in a single level house. 3 pistol mags ready to go and mastery bed closet Alamo for the wife and kids.
Ben White true, we got plenty of them here. They will certainly mind a .357 or buck shot to the chest 😂😂 no choice
@@stake6957 wait what happened at the alamo?
You making that machine gun noise with your mouth reminded me of something that hasn't crossed my mind for 30 years. I was so jealous of a friend of mine when I was a boy because he could make the coolest machine gun noise when we played army, I practiced but never got any better that you just did.
+Shane K I don't know what you're talking about, I just totally rocked that machine gun noise. It might be the thing I'm best at...
Great Video. I think it really does come down to training. Nothing can replace putting the time in to get good with your tools. That being said, I’ve watched a lot of these gunfight videos on Active Self Protection with John Correia. One of the big themes is that the first person to get a shot on target almost always wins the gunfight. I think accuracy is king. What’s going to enable you to get that first shot on the target when you’re in a stressful situation. That’s why i would think for beginners that a shotgun would be the play.
Yes, and I would add, it would be a semi auto like a Beretta 1301 or a Mossberg 940 Pro tactical for less recoil.
Something that I believe should factor into this conversation is the ease of storing and retrieving your gun. If you cannot afford or fit a larger gun safe in your room, then the pistol is the best option. A small biometric safe is inexpensive and fits at the bottom of most nightstands.
you dont need a gun safe to own a gun in my state.
@@exime9500 a good safe does 4 things: protects valuable possessions from theft, keeps firearms out of the hands of criminals, protects valuable possessions from fire damage, and most importantly keeps little ones from playing with firearms. If you will never get robbed, can guarantee there won’t be a fire and never have children or teenagers in your house, you might not need a safe.
@@chipsterb4946 exactly.
I have a Hornady rapid ar safe under my bed. As a Texan, I don’t legally need it, but its easy to open before bed, and shut when I get up. Small price to pay to keep a 22 month old who manages to get into everything, away from a loaded rifle.
Semi automatic shotgun solves his problem with recoil management
@King Savage no kid they don't
There is no such thing as "Semi-automatic". It's either auto or single shot. "Semi-Automatic" is a made term by Freedom Control (aka 'gun control') progressive Bolsheviks. Please stop using that term.
rayce banon no. single shot means you have to reload after firing. pump/ bolt/ lever action means that you have to chamber a new round every time you fire. semi automatic means you will fire one shot per trigger pull. fully automatic means you will be firing till you releash the trigger or run out of ammo
@@raycebanon3550 Semi-automatic is just another word for auto-loading firearms. and both therms predates 1934 NFA and later gun control laws.
@Donald Trump let em have it dad I mean Donald lol
Shotgun with buckshot hard to beat for home defense.
+Bassin Laborer660 agreed!
I disagree. Shotguns have high recoil making them unsuitable for people with small frames. They also have a decent learning curve that requires training to be able to reload quickly and not induce malfunctions under stress. I cant tell you how many time I have been out shooting sporting clays and the other guys there proclaim their trusty 870 to be their go to home defense gun while I watch them fumble around reloading it and short shuck it all day long. If thats how well they run it recreationally I can only imagine how fucked they are if they need to run it during an adrenaline dump. IMHO Get an AR and if you can a suppressor. Less recoil, higher capacity, faster reloads, faster to remedy most malfunctions should you have one, faster follow up shots. Only downside over a shotgun IMHO is the louder noise which is mediated away with a supressor. If you cant get a suppressor keep a set of electronic muffs (with fresh batteries) wrapped around the stock.
Agreed, Lonewolf, but a lot of the problem with shotguns comes from what the "traditional" choice for a shotgun is. 12 gauge pump is by far the most common. Buuuuut: consider (for home defense) a 20 gauge gas powered autoloader.
- Plenty of power to stop a threat. Each pellet is traveling at the same speed as from a 12 gauge, there are just fewer of them. Each trigger pull of a 20 gauge is (roughly) equal to two trigger pulls of a .44 magnum or three from a .45 acp. Yes that's less powerful than a 12 gauge, but still plenty to get the job done.
- Much easier to handle the recoil for a smaller shooter. There's much less kick to start with, plus the gas system eats up some of the recoil, plus the smaller frame means it's likely to fit my wife's body better so she can position it correctly to handle the recoil.
- No short stroking problems. Pull the trigger and it fires, just like a pistol or an AR. People sometimes think of automating shotguns as unreliable, but I really don't think that's true. A pump can be abused, never cleaned, and still fire every time - except for user error under stress. But, if you keep a modern autoloader cleaned and lubed - the same as you would with a pistol - it has the same reliability as a pistol.
I also agree with your implied statement that training is important.
Thoughts? Anything I'm overlooking?
Brent Poole I like the traditional stock. if you are asking this question you don't have a full auto ar, so realistically the semiautomatic shotgun has the same rate of fire, but the traditional stock is much more instinctive to use in hand to hand, even in close quarters. did you just grab my barrel and push it away? some part of that force is now part of the force propelling the stock towards your face, thanks! if you stepped back I can follow through, or try to use the extra space to bring my gun to bear as the adrenaline allows. also though I would choose semi auto for my family member, I have killed enough people, and I am willing to risk my life so that the action of my shotgun can wordlessly tell someone to run, even if it only helps me to deal with taking another life...
also, odd side note, in my limited experience, and may no one ever have this experience again, untrained people having to clear buildings did better with shotguns... actually because they wasted less amo they even did better than with captured full autos.... this is purely anecdotal, I hope that no one will ever have enough occasion to properly study if or why.
Brent Poole I have a Sagia 12 for home protecting it's the AK style shotgun good for anything you need in life and don't kick any or jam it's just a joy to own.You can have magazine that holds 5 to 30....I use 5 to deer hunt with slugs to a easy 100yds always 1 shot dirtnap.With the 20rd drums there is no recoil..I just trust this gun to keep us safe... Thanks
whoa you just broke the internet, no silencer on your home defense gun!!!!!!! i totally agree i want them to hear me from the sheriff's dept.
Jerry Tiernan i get the point of that but i was surprised when he said no can. What about the people in the house? kids wife etc? not only possibly permanent damage but the verbal commands you might need to give they wont hear after shots fired?
Jerry Tiernan first he led by saying he didn't want to make a video. Then the comments about taking the can off your home defense AR so that the neighbors can hear the gunfight? Yeah, maybe shouldn't have made this video.
cause you have more knowledge about this kind of thing than he does right?
Always Be Shooting - Or maybe making the video and presenting an informed opinion is a good thing, because it spurs thoughtful consideration that allows each of us to make our own better-informed decisions?
Michael Corbin go fire a few rounds throughout an SBR AR or AR pistol with XM193 ammo and no suppressor indoors and tell me how your ears feel. And even IF in the dead of night you grab your AR and put on
EarPro and have to shoot, is everyone else in the dwelling going to have ear pro on? Besides the extremely loud report of the rifle is no guarantee that your neighbors are going to be alarmed and call the police. I think John has a tendency to talk a bit fast and just blurted out some nonsense. No big deal. If not recommended to use a can on your defensive carbine indoors then when/where should you run it?
I was a former firearms instructor, and for all my urban living (I live in a big city) friends who ask what they should buy for home defense, I always recommend a pistol caliber carbine (Ruger PC9 comes to mind). IMO it's the best for urban living, and gets overlooked a lot. Light, quieter than pistol and AR, light recoil, can easily use 30 round mags, and can mount lights, redots to them easily. I've never had a new shooter who was intimated by a PCC. My go to? SBR in 300 black out with can.
Will make sure I don't hire you as a firearms instructor. PCC is inferior to every other solution. The 300Blk solution? Yes.
Awesome comparison and I totally agree, but there is one more criteria I think you should add. Close Encounters (or whatever you want to call it). If you are surprised by an intruder that is close enough to grab you or the gun, which I think is a realistic possibility in a home intruder scenario, it's probably easier to fight hand-to-hand and fire a pistol than it would be with a long gun.
I live in California, so I literally have a katana and a bow for home defense. :(
I have a Bastard sword and shield.
Its not sharp, but a good swing of that fucker will certainly disable (for life...) an intruder. The shield is a good bashing weapon too. I have a Bat'leth my dad willed to me. That is precision sharp. Pops was a machinist and honed it to split a piece of paper if you drop it on the edge, like butter. It can, and will easily sever a torso at the chest. Its heavy, sharp af, and within easy access.
I dont need a gun, the Bastard is cleaving weapon and its sheer mass will shatter bones like glass, but if I need to, and the Klingon blade is great for disarming, slicing, and cleaving.
And I forgot the NCO sword i have from the Marines. 800 dollar calvary sabre. I got my bases covered. If I gotta stab a mf all have a good point that will penetrate. I can impale half my block with one stab from the Highland Claymore, four separate and spaced out enemies and the batleth will, and Id rather not have the NCO sword get dirty unless i have no choice
Just buy a gun. You can still do that in California, you know. Heck, in orange county its still fairly easy to get a CCW permit.
I have a dildo
If I remember correctly, I thought you were only allowed to arm yourself with a rape whistle in Commieforniastan.
You'd do better to throw some Patchouli oil at the intruder.
10.5" AR Pistol with a blast can and 1000 lumen Streamlight. Hands down.
While everybody’s researching firearms for home defense, I’m rewatching the ‘Home Alone’ movies
Excellent video sir. Personally i keep a .40 pistol on the bed side table with a mossberg 500 next to it, my fiance keeps a 9mm on hers. On that note, she has trouble with the .40 and the shotgun but is dead on with the AR. Shes only been shooting about 2 years so it would seem your logic is sound to me. God bless and take care sir. Keep doing what youre doing.
Saving this video to a playlist just for comment section you guys are great
I have all three categories, but my true home defense weapon is a bottle of Floridian water. Whenever you drink that you'll obtain the strength and tenacity of Florida man.
Great video. I’ve heard several times that it’s less about the type of gun and more about the shooter and their abilities/comfort with each type of gun. I recognize this is an “all else constant” analysis, but good reminder to get to the range to practice with your weapon of choice!
You keep saying “wife” but I’m watching this video for me the “husband”
Everyone can benefit from this info. Good stuff to think about.
True, I already have my home defense firearms picked and staged, I just wanted to see what John thinks.
He's just talking to the majority. I'm watching this for myself; the "forever alone" 😄
I guess he means in the event some husbands aren’t home the wife will be the next line of defense and it be best for them to have an effective means of comfortability when handling a firearm
The perfect defense gun is the one you trained the most with.
You can be proficient with a less effective tool, doesn't make it a perfect tool. I can get real good at sticking metal together with a torch, but a welder is the ideal tool. Shotgun is generally the best tool for home defense.
@@Sheridantank Give or take that is true. Honestly it depends. For a 1-2 person burglary a shotgun is ideal. Full on home invasion of 5+ people I would want that armalite.
@@ReckerFidelWOLF
Semi auto mag fed shotgun
Saiga 12 for example. I'd rather have that in any home invasion
@@Sheridantank I'd keep it with the AR for me. I know each time I squeeze the trigger they're thinking "DAAAAAMN HE GOT A 100 ROUND CLIP!"
@@ReckerFidelWOLF
They all work is the great thing...
My ideal setup would be a handgun for EDC. A shotgun and AR at home, and a PDW/SMG style gun for the car
Low caliber (pistol round like .45) in a rifle platform with a suppressor.
Easy to handle and use, low over penetration, and isn't extremely scary for children and loved ones that may be in a dark room afraid of the alarm.
A .45 caliber carbine something that's often overlooked. Plenty of power, accuracy, low muzzle flash and sound... Because having the equivalent of a flash bang grenade go off in your face at 3am with an AR15 isn't exactly great for follow up on target in real life.
Much respect- if nothing else just for that damn thumbnail. BADASS!!! Your speaking to the segment of newer shooters that needs this info, is much appreciated, I’m sure.
This was great info. I am wanting to buy my first gun for home defense. I am visually impaired. I’ve been thinking shotgun but you make a great case for the AR.
Before he started I knew the AR was going to win. He loves that gun and promotes it as much as possible. Tactical 18.5 Mossberg 12 gauge with #4 shot should due fine. At 10 - 15 feet or less the group should be tight. If I have to use more the 5 shots to finish the engagement then I need more trigger time.
Switched to #4 from 00 in my Remington 870. Still has the stopping power with less chance of over penetration. I have an AR and handguns but the shottie is my right under the bed nighttime choice. Tlr-1 light mounted on it.
I live alone so no worries of hitting any friendlies. My house is fully alarmed and it's loud, very, very loud. It has two sirens, one that was built in to the house, and ADT's siren. I can tell you that the few times I've accidentally set it off, it's hard to even think clearly. For an attempted break-in, I believe it would dissuade someone(s) from proceeding. If they did, me knowing the layout of my home gives me a distinct advantage.
I think people with young children should consider a pistol. If you have young children that you may have to carry or usher from one side of the house to the other, I'd rather have a pistol than a long gun.
+Patriot III Tinman Great thought
An AR pistol/sbr might be a consideration. They are very light weight and can be shot one handed from the shoulder pretty well and very accurately if needed. Energy does drop down from a rifle to a 357 magnum in 5.56 but you gain lower over penetration, higher capacity, and a more stable shooting platform.
The extra pistols are FOR the kids. 911? I already have back up.
John Lovell also running drills with the family to better prepare them for a just in case situation. Teaching children to go to their “safe place” and stay quiet till they hear you call for them or come to them. I run drills with my daughter and wife as to what needs to be done and what could potentially go wrong if I am taken out of the fight what they need to do. Same goes for public situations and teaching your kids the “exit” strategy or clutch behind strategy so you know where they are at all times in an event.
Glad I discovered this video! Hubby and I sat down together to view..... We have been "arguing" / discussing which is gun wins for most scenarios for me (wife) . As ALWAYS Thanks John you are the BEST and I admire your talent for protecting our families, ourselves, and our nation. Thank you so much!
Kel-Tec KSG Shotgun with 24 mini rounds is my home defense weapon.
Mark Digaudio thinking about picking this up. How do you like it a year later? Any advice for someone who only owns pistols?
Thanks in advance
There is one caveat on the ammunition capacity on the shotgun that was not considered. Yes, shotguns only carry 5-7 shells in the gun (with 4-6 in a side saddle as well), but each shell send multiple projectiles at once. My Beretta 1301 with Hornady Critical Defense #00 Buck is carrying 56 .33 caliber bullets on it. That's technically more than the AR and pistol combined.
I think one other thing worth mentioning is the way a jury or prosecutor might look at it. I am not saying it is right, but for two weapons that are so good at home defense effectiveness it is worth considering this. Use the better weapon to defend your family don't' get me wrong, but if you are someone who is considering them close enough that you are unsure, do take this into account. For example:
The first and obvious example is always going to make you look less like someone out for blood to the ignorant or politically minded juror or prosecutor. Look, not saying this is logical or fair, but this is a reality. People are going to be less likely to villainize a shotgun than the "scary black military gun". But one thing I think rarely gets pointed out but actually is different, is number of trigger presses to take down an assailant. When it is often becoming the common practice to teach 5 shots to the chest with an AR instead of the classic double tap or something, prosecutors constantly over scrutinize "did you really have to shoot him THAT many times?" where in a courtroom you could have shot 5 shots in half a second but somehow, they will convince a jury the first 4 shots were legal, but that 5th shot was murder [which is nonsense, but nonsense is often believed in a politicized climate and courtroom]. They will scrutinize with slow mo video tape from the ring you happened to have in your house and act like you shot those 5 shots in half a second with 5 minutes to think between each one. Shotgun has one big advantage on this.
Shotgun is generally more "stopping per trigger pull" than an Ar-15. Yes, the ballistics are different of course, but the power of 00 buck is of course significant and that is 9 shots per trigger pull. It IS rare you have to shoot hits with a shotgun to down a guy, and if so, you just pulled the trigger twice for 18 shots on the home invader. One to two trigger pulls for 18 shots of 00buck looks way better to a jury than 5+ trigger pulls from big scary military gun even if you probably did way more damage with those two trigger pulls than those 5 with the AR. As BS as the question is, having to answer why you pulled the trigger once or twice is far "easier" to explain than why you pulled the trigger 5 times.
Is that enough reason to pick a shotgun over an AR? Maybe not, but if you are closely enough undecided then yes maybe. If you feel the AR will win you the home defense battle while the shotgun won't, then by all means win the battle and survive and worry about the legal political hacks later, but it is something to consider.
This guy reminds me of Morgan from the show Chuck lol
Such a good show.
Bro, that was a good show
I enjoy and learn a lot from your videos even though I’m far from a novice. In your videos. I completely agree with this assessment spot on. One small thing I’d like to add is the standard time for a civilian firefight. Typically for a civilian firefight the exchange of rounds don’t traditionally last longer then 3 shots. With this said the amount of ammo carried doesn’t really comply. With this additional change it would put the shotgun in first place and the rifle in second for a home self defense weapon. Due to my household being very large over penetration is my number one fear. Thank you so much for all your kick ass videos!!!
Seeing as though I have a family to look out, I've been having a lot home invasion type 'dreams' running in my head. Although I have firearms in the house, I've learned in these home self defense videos, the underlying message is to have it available when you need it most and be ready to throw lead. This comes at a cost of safety by doing things like chambering a round... it makes me nervous as hell but I cant imagine the sheer horror of hearing click when you want it to go boom when it matters the most.
Yeah, some guy in my neighborhood killed his GF he thought was a burglar….that’s what I think about.
@@JacqueCRISCOsdah yes, the necessity of a flash light cannot be understated. Also make some noise, I want whoever is in my house to have every opportunity to identify or leave.
4 years late, this pops up on my feed.
Simple answer to "defense" firearm is: Whichever you feel the most comfortable using.
I like the shotty for stopping power and penetration but I think for anyone experienced or not would be a MP5 or similar and a large capacity mag.
In the end, you need to train with whatever weapon you choose, and make choices to optimize it for the home defense parameters considered here. All three can work. Great video.
I remember...
"Not one right after the other,
cuz that would be a bad day."
Welcome stranger to my house!😇
^^ what its like to break into Jerry's house
This cat is hilarious!!
I disagree about no can on a HD rifle. Honestly if I got in a gunfight at night in my neighborhood, by the time it was all over IF the neighbors heard it, they wouldn't be cognizant enough to know what it was and would go back to sleep. My HD gun is a 300 blackout with a silencer on it, I'd rather be able to maintain as much of my hearing as possible. However, my only tactical training comes from a few years of volunteering at the police department and a couple pistol classes. So if there is a flaw in my logic, I'm open to constructive criticism
+Sam Wagner rock on with that can bro. You've got a good reason. Go with it. 👍👍
John Lovell this topic reminds me of a a conversation with a police sergeant. He asked me, how many gunshots does it take for someone to call the police? 3.. 1 shot gets their attention, the 2nd one is just fireworks, and the 3rd one by golly is gunfire!
.300 is going to plow through more walls before destabelizing than .223. Just food for thought. That being said a supressed AR with preferably a short barrel is ideal for home defense. Handguns are hard to use under stress and require a TON of training to be really good with and shotguns are prone to user induced malfunctions under stress as well as being way to long with a traditional ribbed barrel. I cant tell you how many times ive watched people short shucking pump guns just having a good time at a sporting clays range. I can only imagine what a cluster fuck they are to use under stress.
You would be surprised. I have worked in areas where residents heard strings of gunfire but never even realized what it was when interviewed. Some thought fireworks, others thought someone was roofing at night. Normalcy bias plays a role that it can't happen "here".
It's funny cause in my neighborhood, in reference to "how many gunshots does it take...", with all the recent growth my famous little "weird" PNW city has had lately and the advent of online "neighborhood gossip" group-sites (Neighborhood Connections...ugh) EVERYONE thinks they hear gunfire nearly every night and we've even had some transplant Kalifornians call the bomb-squad/FD/PD("SEND EVERYONE!!!!") because a gas-can fell off a landscaping truck and was left along side of the road for a day or two...
Food for thought on the subject of HD calibers: 10mm Auto from a G20 is surprisingly close, ballistically to subsonic .300BO when used within say 50yds. I'm not saying they're the same thing but if you're talking sub-sonic and within the avg. engagement distance of a home-defence situation they're very similar except the 10mm Pistol if handled well is much more compact and easy to maneuver.
I went with a 20ga semi auto youth model for my girlfriend. the recoil she can handle, if ( God forbid ) she gets a jam she know how to clear it. we practiced 1-2 times at home just reloading but in the dark. she has the feel of the gun. best part all she has to do is
+Bill Centers not a bad choice brother
Great video. My favorite home defense weapon is the KSG loaded with 3/4" #4 buckshot. My wife prefers the 9mm pistol platform. That's just what she's comfortable with and capable of shooting accurately. By the way, that slug joke had me laughing so hard, I had to pause the video for a few seconds.