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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2024
- @TheDynoGuy Matt Smith is a very knowledgeable & well renowned dyno tuner in the Harley world. We sat down again, for another installment of all things camshaft, dyno tuning, exhaust modifications & some great combos.
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These collaborations are fantastic. It’s good to see what is available around the globe and compare what we have access to here in OZ. Can’t wait for more.
Thanks for doing these videos Tommy and Matt. I appreciate it!!!
I started with the rocket .444 got 112hp 125tq. Then went to budget 124 with 5.3 injectors and rocket 474 made 142hp 156tq. Now im up to the .544 with plus 2 ward heads and ward manifold, 12.5:1 compression. Can't wait to get the tune just right! The Thunderheader x series has 2 inch primary tubes.
When having 444 what pipes did you have ?
Star 3030 is definitely getting more popular. I'm loving my Fueling Reaper 472 with a fab28 2 into 1. Need more build vids Tommy!
Everyone has that damn 3030 cam here. Me too cam v2 (475 is the me too v1)
Finally broke down and ordered my CR483, Screaming Eagle 55mm intake manifold, 5.5 injectors, and all the supporting parts I need to complete my install. Can't wait!
Awesome stuff mate 👏 Welldone
You will love the 483. I went with S&S intake with 6.3 injectors and what a beast of a cam. Enjoy!
Thanks for the session; much like all your other videos - very informative
These Vids are great mate. There is so much to take in when it comes to options.
Super cool collab - these are the two builders/tuners I trust the most. Great job guys!
Thanks for watching 👍
More of these please. Love the format and technical conversation. This is great for other techs like myself 👍
Thanks for watching. Glad you liked it.
Thanks guys! Loved it.
@MasterTechMiller are u not changing the stock oil pump from 2020 and on even on big bore kits? I think u mentioned the new pump is fine. Just wondering. Thanks
Cheers Guys- great info and love your honesty
I’m running a new 131 with the cyclerama 512 in a brand new 2023 Softail S and absolutely loving it.
All thanks to your channel Tommy .
Cheers
Thanks for watching & supporting the channel
Man this is an excellent video!!! I wish I watched this before I started piecing everything together. I grabbed a Zippers 472 cam, HPinc 62mm TB, Tab 2-1-2 header, Cobra Neighbor Hater slip ons, and a SE oil pump/camchest combo on a 21 FLHRXS. I noticed you spoke about them all separately, but have you ran that combo before, and was it garbage?? I appreciate your time either way and keep educating us chimps!!
The combo I had to deal with was a 114ci running the S&S 475 Cam with the Full Neighbour Hater exhaust system.
It was a terrible combo.
In my Cyclerama stock head 128" 11.4-1CR build with 2-1-2 KW, 64 TB....I tried the CR540-2, then went "back" to the CR 512 and actually gained hp, torque and reduced valvetrain noise
Great video guys, well done…👍
I have a 2023 117 breakout,
Upgraded Stage 2 from new,
S&S 475 and Vance and Hines radius exhaust. ( older model pipes. No cat ??) so dealer told me.
Happy with idle sounds awesome,
Would you recommend that I have it dyno’d somewhere or do I just trust that the installed dealer tune is the go ??
Thanks, Paul.
Great info! As always. Keep the videos coming
terrific loved it thx. ( 40 deg F = 22.2 deg C )
So much information 😮still confused 🤔but thnx for sharing
Is there a reason why you never hear of supertrapp or fuel Moto e series pipes being used on M8? Seems like it'd be a good fit on a motor that wants some back pressure. I'd guess it might be the subjective looks of the discs or the quieter sound, like Matt mentions, people seem to dig the loud tab mufflers.
I've always wondered as well. I've got a Supertrapp on my 107 and just auto-tuned it on the bike with V&H FP3 controller, so no dyno numbers or anything. I've run it with closed and open ends, but prefer the closed end now.
I have a 2023 breakout with the freedom sharp curve. Thinking of putting in a cycle rama 483. Would that be good or better than the 480 MT?
21 RGS 468 zippers cam tab headers 2 1 2 4 inch bam sticks zombie baffles pv4 tune. Whats your opinion? Should i change to 2 into 1 bassani or fuel moto jackpot appreciate your opinions. Keep up the videos
Damn, i just bought a S&S 475C and full cam chest kit with pump, my gutted stock cat and Rienhart 4" duals and Arlene Ness big sucker. Hope I get some decent number's. Ive been seeing a lot of dynos with 2-1-2 setups to help the hp. What do you suggest?
.How would you compare the 475c cam to the 480mt cam ..I have a 119 it used to be a 107
I currently dyno at 123hp 133 tq.
V&h poweduals with boneshaker slipons.
5.5 injectors , aluminum intake and heavier header springs. I like just power comes on late like 2700 2800 thundermax tuner
My RGS with 124 APE performer kit runs the CR470 - 6.2, heads, HPI V2 intake and bassani HO 2-1, absolutely flies from @ 2700 to red line btn 6 to 6500. Crazy fast. Took a lot of time to tune well.
Hi Matt, I ride a 07" heritage. correct me if I'm wrong, but will the 480 MT cam in a 103" with heritage frame give me easier burnouts with the higher torque at lower RPMs. ?
I just bought a 22 RGlide ST 117 specifically for touring with the missus . It will carry 200kg plus luggage on a tour. It has Rinehart slip-ons,that’s it. In your opinion ,what Cam can I put to give me more overtaking power without changing any other perimeters . Low lifts good ,we will put 100,000 ks on this bike and need reliability so not excessive pressure on the valve train. The andrews 464 sounds mild but effective .
I have a 2010 RK we used to tour on. I put andrews 54 cams in, 5.3 injectors ,58 mm TB and bored it to 107. I got 107hp and 126t. I love it it’s perfect and a beautiful bike to ride . I’d like similar in the m8 ,I miss the overtaking power. I’m in brizzy
Hey mate, thanks for reaching out. You need the CR480MT from Cycle-Rama.
That will tick all your boxes. It provides massive torque nice and early. It's a bolt in cam so no need to run big valve springs etc. You can run the stock throttlebody, injectors & intake manifold with it too if that's all you have planned for it.
Had to take notes. Sooo much great info. Thanks
468 heat topic is applicable to my 114 Heritage. Any recommendation for 1600-4200 rpm non drag one up rider ? Rinehart 2-1
CR480MT
My question is specifically about the rinehart muffler mod you said you do. I bought my bike with the rinehart 45s already on it and im not a super big fan of them. My builder put a 475 cam in it when he did the 128 kit. What size and what direction do you make the slot in the baffle to get rid of the nasty torque dip from 2-3k rpm? Im assuming it works pretty much the same way as the fuel moto tuning inserts?
A question if you could please give your opinion… I have a 2022 street glide st…am planning to have rinehart slimline duals from headers back with the 4.5” mufflers partly because they have bronze accents to match my bike and also may increase performance a bit and sound better than the stock ones…along with the Harley tuner to hopefully make it run well, ie not rich or lean but properly, they come with the Dbx baffles, not sure from the website if another baffle is available or not, or if a different baffle would be better for tuning, also along with that I was considering a new cam to be installed…what would you suggest to use with this setup that would improve, the already good midrange,like around the 2500 to 4500 rpm range I usually curved use? Without other mods like lifters oil sump pumps etc…Sorry for the lengthy question but any suggestions or advice and your input would be greatly appreciated.. thanks
Glad I found this video! I was about to go with a 468 in my 107 Road King. What is your choice for a 107 with the S&S Sidewinder 2-1 and open intake? Looking for what that 468 is known for without the heat. Great bottom end. Lots of hills and turns where I live and ride.
Thanks for watching. I highly recommend the CR483 for your application
@@MasterTechMiller Wasn't even on my radar. Guess it shows how hard they market other options. Really appreciate you taking the time to answer. Have a great holiday, be safe out there!
@@tjenkins1126cyclerama cams are where it’s at !!!
Anywhere from big tq to big power and in between medium cams.
@@geraldgoodiii6993 Yup! Went with a CR480 MT.
Dam that was good matt tells the truth I did not no duration made the m8 run hotter
awesome show tommy have more love learning.
Excellent info 👏👏👏
Glad it was helpful!
What about Hpi full length 2-1 on 117 road glide? I’m now considering the 480mt or the 483. Any experience on those combos? Great video
I've not done that specific combo before.
The 480MT is absolute torque monster.
Awesome content!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great conversation guys. Just purchased a Fulsac header for my 107. Just doing a stage 1 at this point. What are your thoughts on the Fulsac header for my M8?
stock decat head pipe is better and free
132ci with the f35 Tommy. Got 155t and 150hp
Thanks!
No problem! Thank you!
What does Matt think about D&D Billet cat exhaust?
Hi Tommy,here's one for ya,doing build SE 131 custom LRST,12:1 static (could go 12.23) Thunderheader 2-1 64mm tb ported manifold, which cam & why CR540 or Rivas 544 ?
Can you touch base on TC camshafts and your thoughts on Vance & Hines Pro Pipe?
Noted
well damn, I have the neighbor hater slip ons on my 21 low rider S and I thought they were pretty good on the low end response... what do you suggest is a good slip on to pair with the s&s 465 or zippers 468 cam?
Khrome Werks Slip On's
2019 flhtpi with 114…MHP 485, 64mm se intake and throttle body, fueling lifters, s and s roller rockers, s and s oilpump and cam plate,5.7 injectors….114 hp and 128 torque ….comes alive in 2800-3500rpm
Your setup should make more hp and torque. My 2019 Roadking 107 has a cr483, roller rockers,fp4 tuner, factory headpipes with sharkroad slipons with no tips or baffles, s&s intake, 6.3 injectors, k&N air filter on a factory 107 breather, factory non adjustable push rods, Make 130hp and 135 torque.
@@robertschulz5293😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 thanks for the laugh
Damm I have a red shift 468 sitting in a box waiting to be installed in my 2020 road glide special. Now y’all got me thinking twice with the heat information. I live in south louisiana, extra heat is the last thing I need. I might look closer at those chris rivas cams. They are fairly inexpensive compared to cycle rama offerings. Any experience with the chris rivas 464?
I don't recall having installed or tuned one in the past sorry.
Ok thanks, I know one thing, listening to the videos on UA-cam that are out there it sounds like a alcohol burning funny car.
What chris rivas cams have you worked with?
I have the redshift 468 in my fatbob and it make 125ft lbs and nice flat curve. Its been a great cam.
@@vanillawafer8114 yeah i have been told by a bunch of reputable tuners that the heat thing is bullshit. When I say the source it came from, I get well the dude rents space from the guy that owns cyclerama. I went with the 468 and my numbers aren’t much different from that 480mt.
woods 22XE for me
I’m confused about when you mention that you like to see at least 10-15 degrees separation in duration between the intake and exhaust to avoid excessive heat. Matt agrees wholeheartedly with you. Then starts to dog on the rs468 because of its excessive heat it produces. In the specs of the rs468 the duration is 205/235. Would that not be 30 degrees difference?
Could be something to do with intake closing time? Might be building too much cylinder pressure & causing heat?
@@MasterTechMiller that being said there is still way more than 10-15 degrees separation in duration
What's your thoughts on he S&S super street race version without the cat and baffles?
I'm running the super street with a db killer and it runs excellent on stage 1. But about to do a cr480mt cam
I ran this pipe with catalyst SEPST SE-64TB SE-498 cam on a 114. After experimenting I ended up replacing the Db reducer with a 3” 2.25 ID pipe. It picked up 2hp & 6tq plus improved sound.
118hp
122tq
Three years later I swapped to PV tuner, removed the cat, added Star F35A cam. They tuned it without my 3” extension (btw it press fits in and comes out flush with the end cap) I put the 3” pipe back in and pulled it again. She picked up 3hp 4tq. Now my 114 makes
135hp @ 6,140
134tq @ 3,750
I love this pipe! Sounds great but not obnoxious loud until 5k under load. It’s an under recognized great softail pipe.
Matt just did an exhaust video and mentions the Superstreet (race). He says if you put the baffles in it it works pretty well.
@@High_Desert_Tanner Yeah so the two combos where I used the factory Db reducer lost me 2 & 3 HP and 6 & 4 foot pounds of TQ respectively. It also sounded like a scooter instead of a motorcycle.
@@vernlochtefeld1626 I didn't say db reducer. I said baffle. Two similar but different different things.
Whats the best cam in your opinion between the CR 480mt and the star 3030 for my 2023 lowrider st with a gallop 2-1 mid-length exhaust (sleipnir exhaust if youre familiar with them)
💯 win for the CR480MT
@@MasterTechMillerI also have a FXLRST with SPC 2 into 1. Is the cr483 a good option or 485 a good option. Thinking about going to a ported 55mm intake manifold and some bigger injectors.
I really want to know more about that Rocket cams 474 and how it compares to the CR485 with a good 2-1-2 exhaust on a touring 114.
Let me compare the specs & give you my opinion on what it would stack up like. For the record I will be talking about the Cycle-Rama CR485 developed for A.P.E
@@MasterTechMiller that's the one (the 485). Is there more than one Cycle Rama 485?
There are about 2 other 485 cams I know of (differentmanufacturers). I just wanted to make sure we were talking about the CR485
@@MasterTechMiller ABSOLUTELY. That's the only one worth my time! 😁
I'm kind of back and forth between the CR483 and CR485 (leaning towards the 485)... Then heard about this Rivas (Rocket) cam 474 which is supposed to have a similar curve. I'm looking for a mid to top end cam with as much area under the curve as possible. The CR485 has shown some MONSTER dyno numbers while maintaining a really nice flat torque curve. There's just so little info out there on the Rocket 474 to compare...
Interesting info thanks
I put a 475 S&S into my 2019 m8 114 with seemed to run really well with stock exhaust but I was told they are very exhaust sensitive. so I contacted S&S techs they told me the S&S side winder 2 into 1 was the exhaust pairing that would help. me thinks that was a give us more money suggestion very disappointed very loud and lost the bottom end I had with stock catted. running stock throttle body stock injectors, big air filter a thundermax auto tune . any suggestions to change up?
The Thundermax auto tune is most likely letting you down
How do you think the v&h big shots will tune to a 483 cam?
Yes they will. They will provide an awesome low to mid range torque curve. Peak HP numbers will be sacrificed but you will have awesome grunt
what cam you guys think i should put in my street glide Harley built 131
What's the comp ratio?
The 482 cam is so damn exhaust sensitive.
Had KW 2into2 with zombie baffles.. SHIT. (Had the right comp ratio .. static comp 11.7 I think it is )
Swapped for the medium baffles. Dude retuned it bc he wanted the bike to be what it’s supposed to be .. hell of a guy ..
Anyway .. night and day.
Went from “this was a fkn mistake” to “HELL YEA BORTHER.. GOBBLESS”
DBX racing no cat i think
I am really interested in what cam you would pick over a zippers 468 and a S&S 475 . I saw where they run hotter due to the exhaust timing and being a older grind, thanks..