#shorts #starwars #darthvader Did Leia EVER Forgive Darth Vader in Star Wars? Source: "The Truce At Bakura" by Kathy Tyers and "Tatooine Ghost" by Troy Denning
@@bradykenny5485then why are you saying leia forgave "darth vader" when she forgave anakin, for temporarily just turning INTO darth vader? is it because you are have stupid?
Leia was so much like Anakin and Luke was like Padme. Leia was strong-willed, impulsive, stubborn, direct, snarky, passionate, protective, slow to forgive, and slow to change her opinion. Luke had Padme’s optimism, compassion, and forgiving nature which is why he was able to bring Anakin back. I’m not sure Leia would have had the same effect because she was so similar to him and many of the traits they share are reasons he turned in the first place.
Going by that, Leia was the most likely fallen to the dark side. If Vader brought her to Sidius instead of Luke, she may have taken the bait and if that happened, would've taken down Luke seeing how much anger Luke had towards Vader at mentioning her name.
@@celestrio Honestly, if it was to protect and save her people/attachments, she might have turned if only a little. She does have her mother’s strong will and sense of justice, so as much as she would have fought for her morals she would have chosen to sacrifice herself to protect her loved ones. My point is that the way Leia would have handled the walk with Vader going to Sidious would most likely have been either more pleading like a just politician, the part of Padme that tended to get in the way of her and Anakin’s relationship, or more threatening and confrontational like him vs Luke simply saying that he has absolute faith that there is still good in him just like Padme. Vader was moved by Luke’s words because they echoed his wife’s and even his mother’s unwavering belief in him. Leia didn’t believe there was good in him since she was much more direct, serious, and looked to his actions to determine who he was, just like Anakin himself would have, rather than blind faith. I don’t think she could have swayed him and brought him back and brought balance.
@@deaireharris1406 The big difference is that Luke grew up as a farmer in peace and freedom where as his father grew up as a slave. Same planet, very different circumstances.
She named her youngest son Anakin Solo. Who was trained as a jedi by Luke and became one of the greatest jedi prodigies in galactic history. He died a hero during the Yuzhung Vong wars.
@igniteashen Screw Disney! As far as I'm concerned, their version of Star Wars is taking place in an alternate dimension not the prime, 'true', dimension.
Vader to his son: Cuts his hand of in self-defense, but immediately afterwards offers him world domination. Safes his life and kills his former boss for him 😎 Vader to his daughter: Destroys her home planet, kills her entire adoptive family and tortures her and her fiancé 💀
He kind of seems to lose his temper and stop holding back when Luke gets a hit in on his arm, even if it’s only a minor blow. “Right stop that you little shit! Ooops. Anyway, as I was saying, you’re taking over the firm”. lol.
The part that I love about this is. Luke could forgive anakin because as a jedi he understood things such as the dark side and how i can literally corrupt a person. She however was looking at it from a normal person view she didn't understand how one slip to the dark side can fuck a person up and only saw vader not anakin
she see only how anakin did horrible stuff how would she know that anakin was not always evil until see saw his hologram diary and then she saw it and then cry in tears that anakin wasnt always bad, because she only see how horrible anakin is and when she see the diary she realize he's not always evil.
@LowkeyEditssexactly. Besides, Tarkin did this behind Palpatine's back so in all honesty, had Anakin reported this to his master before it happened Tarkin would've been dead
I always wanted to see more of Leia discovering who Anakin Skywalker was. She is so much like him. It would be interesting to see how discovering Anakin would help her discover herself.
Yeah, leia doesn’t even mention that lol. Shows a lot about her personality. She’s a lot more pissed vader tortured her man and destroyed her home planet 😂
“Chose.” You don’t choose to forgive, just naturally do or not, and release that emotional pain inside. (Now giving someone another chance however… that you can choose to do.)
Leia saw how Darth Vader lived not knowing after long years after the death of her mother he had developed two personalities. The two who saw through these personalities were obi wan and luke because both of them would talk to him as his original personality
@@histguy101Tarkin was the boss, earlier he told Vader to stop force choking someone. At this time until the death star was destroyed with him on it, Tarkin was the boss and Vader had to obey him.
Tarkin was never vaders boss. Vader has his own agency. Vader listened to Tarkin out of respect not because Tarkin commands Vader. Vader is not part of any formal military or government, he is an extension of Palpatine. It is correct that vader didn’t blow up the planet, but that’s like giving daps to hitlers right hand man for not ordering the holocaust. He is still his associate.
I honestly wish they tied this in with the sequels and since anakin became evil bc of the jedi/palps thats why leia trained to be a jedi but never fully became one bc she was scared to become like him
It could if someone wrote it into canon now, but as far as this story is concerned, it’s legends material, and pre-Disney canon. I still accept it into my headcanon though
She knew, something horrible happened to her father. Because she saw the good in him in those holograms. Felt my father Anakin deserved forgiveness, not Darth Vader!
This could’ve been a great path for making her a new villain. Her hate could potentially drive her to the dark side, making her, not Luke, the Skywalker heir to the empire.
Still no excuse for anything he did. He lost everyone because how much of a man baby he was and how easy he was to manipulate. All you had to say was I can save your wife and he would do everything you asked of him.
No one is trying to justify all the evil acts anakin performed as vader, but just like how anakins selfless act of saving luke in rotj didn't erase all the evil acts vader performed as vader. All the evil acts anakin performed as darth vader didn't erase all the good he performed while he was anakin.
During that same trip to tatoonine she also view the painting of anakin Skywalker winning the banta classic, while voicing great disbelief that a human could win a podrace. Few yrs later she names her second son anakin Solou who tragically died and his wife turned to the dark side. Legends canon is so much better than disney
People seem to forget that we change we're not the people we were as children and we're not the adults that we've become as we grow older and even in death there's a change Anakin only wanted his daughters forgiveness and for her to understand that what Darth Vader had done was not Anakin. Obi-Wan was quoted as saying that you have allowed this dark thing this evil force to twist your mind until now you have become the very thing you have sworn to destroy; Leah couldn't forgive her father because she never knew him as her father he died before she was born and what was left was a mechanical monster and a dark wielder of the force that had no compassion and no understanding outside of what the Chancellor allowed him to have and too many times I actually see this becoming a reality with our young people who are filled with hate and taught to be raged when they're not taught enough love or compassion but just to resent and fight back against what they're taught is evil and yet what they think is evil is something they don't even understand you can't call something that you can't understand and it's something you can't understand you can't understand how you feel you need to see your choice choices and when you can't understand your choice your left with doubt you're left with rage just as Anakin was a mustafar when he went against Obi-Wan and felt that Obi-Wan was trying to do something with his wife
I loved when in the now Legends continuity when she saw a force ghost of her father she didn't see the person that is Anakin she saw a very creepy version of her father in the Vader suit walking slowly and appearing slowly to her at first because of the hatred she had in her heart but as she heard the voice of her father the loving voice of her father he started to turn into the force ghost of the accurate depiction of Anakin the one who actually turned from his evil ways and was no longer bound by the restraints of the darkside of the force
I love how In Star Wars certain items are only ever found by the main characters, it’s not like any of the other trillions of sentient life forms could have found items decades old
One of the many ways the sequels failed is that we never got the father/daughter reconciliation that we had with Luke and Anakin. They should have had Leia and Anakin's force ghost playfully bicker with each other.
She named her youngest Anakin as a sign she forgave him. But that was Legends. Also if she hadn't forgiven him she was in danger of turning to the Dark Side.
Anakin and the other characters in this show were the best in every aspect and the characters are the most important to the show so I think it’s worth a shot if you’re looking to get a taste for it in a different light show than what you are currently in this series and I hope that helps a lot to see how you can see it and how you like the characters
This did happen in one of the novels. She meets her father's childhood friends and the tell her what a great man he was. How he freed them from slavery. This post is correct basically, that she did have a better understanding, however this did not occur due to Shmi Skywalker's diary.
At least this doesn't make Claudia Gray's book bloodlines cannon because she really messed it up I would like to see an episode somewhere in the Star wars show where Leah after forgiving her dad is lying in Louisville he appears and then she realized she will always need him but also at the same time she realizes he won't always be around to rescue her he knows that given that she has great power she can do amazing things like her twin brother Luke Skywalker
I am NOT an Anakin/Vader hard-core fun, yet I'll be respectful of those who are, while supporting my opinion. I do not think Anakin and Vader should be considered different. They are the same, BUT with appropriate considerations. His character wants to show: - how people can be capable of both deep, sincere love and horrendous atrocities. - how unresolved past issues, bottled up emotions, manipulation, lack of empathy/understanding from those around you and lack of right guidance can bring a person to the edge of desperation and ultimately push them down a more than terrible path. - how darkness can corrupt one's soul and transform them into a monster. Someone unrecognisable from the happy little kid they were. I'll also add that Vader was yes capable of monstrosities but he was also suffering tremendously both mentally and physically. Something that doesn't condone his crimes, but that might play a factor in forgiveness. Palpatine was a monster who had not suffered even remotely as Vader. I tend to be more empathetic towards those who commit evil deeds but also suffer. I don't blame Leia for not forgiving him right away. What would you have done if he had destroyed YOUR world, tortured YOU, YOUR fiance etc? Good question. To those who say they would have forgiven Vader, be careful, because one thing is judging a fictional character who cannot hurt you. Another thing is forgiving sb who had done evil to you. And also in reality you'll never know if someone who has hurt was suffering as well or was simply an asshole. Forgiveness is much easier in fiction. I say Luke was the perfect example of true forgiveness. Damaged by Vader in many ways (Obiwan killed, mechanical hand, lost friends)yet capable of still seeing the good in him and understanding his past. He had forgiven Vader even before he saved him, in my opinion. He saw how a loving child could be transformed into a suffering monster. That's way saying Anakin and Vader are different personas ruins the whole final message.
Leia was a stand up character, since she was a kid she already way mature than Luke, even as far as in empire strikes back after Luke lost his family, and his mentor, Luke still have the audacity to act "selfish" in front of Yoda (saving his friends instead of completed his training) but ironically that helps Luke have better understanding of human's imperfection than Leia, something that resembles the difference between what Qui Gon and The Jedi council used to be And that's why Luke's trying to kill Ben Solo in the sequel trilogy is a blasphemy, because it kills the "Luke" that has already been established in the original trilogy
And this is the reason why Disney doesn’t want anybody to know what happened in the books after number six movie. It just explains everything and what was happening and then they go and say oh don’t read the books anymore cause we’re not gonna go buy them. Disney are idiots.
Stories like this are why George made everything outside the stuff he worked on directly non canon alternate universes. The writers either don’t care about canon and want to write their own version or they don’t understand the story of star wars Vader and Anakin are two different characters. Anakin was taken over by Vader the moment he was knighted by Palpatine. The good Luke saw in Vader was the small piece of Anakin that still remained. Luke was able to draw that piece out giving Anakin the strength to defeat Vader and take control in order to save his son and kill Palpatine. By doing this Luke redeemed Anakin for his past mistake of not stopping Palpatine with Mace. Thus there was nothing for Leia to forgive as Vader was the one who destroyed her planet and family not Anakin. Leia was just as force sensitive as Luke which is why she was able to sense and understand this However if the writers actually acknowledged these facts and deeper meanings they would have to follow George’s story and wouldn’t be able to make up their own version of events
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She never forgave Vader. She forgave Anakin
Bruh the people in the replies are idiots 🤦♂️
No she still forgave Vader
@@bradykenny5485 they're the same person dude.
@@AFancyDuck obviously
@@bradykenny5485then why are you saying leia forgave "darth vader" when she forgave anakin, for temporarily just turning INTO darth vader? is it because you are have stupid?
They're the same person did u even watch star wars? Darth vader is just anakin in a suit
I think it's important to remember that most people are not created evil. A darth vader baby would be kinda cool though.
Theres actually a comic where anakin as a boy has a messed up face that resembled darth Vader's helmet.
Hahah
The part you are describing is in fortress vader, if anyone was wondering.
It's a b- *chokes to death*
You have Darth Stewie.
Leia was so much like Anakin and Luke was like Padme. Leia was strong-willed, impulsive, stubborn, direct, snarky, passionate, protective, slow to forgive, and slow to change her opinion. Luke had Padme’s optimism, compassion, and forgiving nature which is why he was able to bring Anakin back. I’m not sure Leia would have had the same effect because she was so similar to him and many of the traits they share are reasons he turned in the first place.
It's true
Going by that, Leia was the most likely fallen to the dark side. If Vader brought her to Sidius instead of Luke, she may have taken the bait and if that happened, would've taken down Luke seeing how much anger Luke had towards Vader at mentioning her name.
@@celestrio Honestly, if it was to protect and save her people/attachments, she might have turned if only a little. She does have her mother’s strong will and sense of justice, so as much as she would have fought for her morals she would have chosen to sacrifice herself to protect her loved ones. My point is that the way Leia would have handled the walk with Vader going to Sidious would most likely have been either more pleading like a just politician, the part of Padme that tended to get in the way of her and Anakin’s relationship, or more threatening and confrontational like him vs Luke simply saying that he has absolute faith that there is still good in him just like Padme. Vader was moved by Luke’s words because they echoed his wife’s and even his mother’s unwavering belief in him. Leia didn’t believe there was good in him since she was much more direct, serious, and looked to his actions to determine who he was, just like Anakin himself would have, rather than blind faith. I don’t think she could have swayed him and brought him back and brought balance.
Luke also grew up in the same streets as his father 😂
@@deaireharris1406 The big difference is that Luke grew up as a farmer in peace and freedom where as his father grew up as a slave. Same planet, very different circumstances.
Vader came back from getting the milk 😂
LMAO
weird ass people on UA-cam smfh
I always thought it was cigarettes.
@@tjjordan4207His lungs aren't THAT bad, I'm sure....
@@tjjordan4207
That would be Grievous 💀
She named her youngest son Anakin Solo. Who was trained as a jedi by Luke and became one of the greatest jedi prodigies in galactic history. He died a hero during the Yuzhung Vong wars.
Sadly it’s Legends
@igniteashen Screw Disney! As far as I'm concerned, their version of Star Wars is taking place in an alternate dimension not the prime, 'true', dimension.
Facts
Love Anakin Solo
Eh. Don't think Anakin deserved that. He did a lot of terrible things.
Vader to his son: Cuts his hand of in self-defense, but immediately afterwards offers him world domination. Safes his life and kills his former boss for him 😎
Vader to his daughter: Destroys her home planet, kills her entire adoptive family and tortures her and her fiancé 💀
Why Vader is good dad
He also killed Luke Adopted family
He kind of seems to lose his temper and stop holding back when Luke gets a hit in on his arm, even if it’s only a minor blow. “Right stop that you little shit! Ooops. Anyway, as I was saying, you’re taking over the firm”. lol.
*galactic domination
@@DainKeithbut leía did get a good life as she lived whit bail organa one of the richest men in the Galaxy
The part that I love about this is. Luke could forgive anakin because as a jedi he understood things such as the dark side and how i can literally corrupt a person. She however was looking at it from a normal person view she didn't understand how one slip to the dark side can fuck a person up and only saw vader not anakin
she see only how anakin did horrible stuff how would she know that anakin was not always evil until see saw his hologram diary and then she saw it and then cry in tears that anakin wasnt always bad, because she only see how horrible anakin is and when she see the diary she realize he's not always evil.
I mean….he did blow up her whole f’ing planet!
@LowkeyEditssexactly. Besides, Tarkin did this behind Palpatine's back so in all honesty, had Anakin reported this to his master before it happened Tarkin would've been dead
I wanted to cry but I held the tears so...yeah.
In the novels Leia came to accept she was Anakin's daughter,not Darth Vader's. So she finally forgave Anakin Skywalker.
he also tortured her on the death star
I always wanted to see more of Leia discovering who Anakin Skywalker was. She is so much like him. It would be interesting to see how discovering Anakin would help her discover herself.
Wait, wasn’t Leia tortured during captivity in A New Hope, with Vader watching?
Ayo??
Yeah, leia doesn’t even mention that lol. Shows a lot about her personality. She’s a lot more pissed vader tortured her man and destroyed her home planet 😂
“Chose.”
You don’t choose to forgive, just naturally do or not, and release that emotional pain inside. (Now giving someone another chance however… that you can choose to do.)
Read 'Tatooine's Ghost' it's all there. A good read.
This is such a sweet story ❤️
This would’ve made a better movie than all of the Disney+ content
Leia saw how Darth Vader lived not knowing after long years after the death of her mother he had developed two personalities. The two who saw through these personalities were obi wan and luke because both of them would talk to him as his original personality
Remember when he used a torture droid on her, and she endured that?
I'd be mad too, lol
it was moff tarkin who destroyed alderaan, she can't blame vader for that
Yeah, Vader was totally an accessory to the crime
@@histguy101Tarkin was the boss, earlier he told Vader to stop force choking someone. At this time until the death star was destroyed with him on it, Tarkin was the boss and Vader had to obey him.
Tarkin was never vaders boss. Vader has his own agency. Vader listened to Tarkin out of respect not because Tarkin commands Vader. Vader is not part of any formal military or government, he is an extension of Palpatine.
It is correct that vader didn’t blow up the planet, but that’s like giving daps to hitlers right hand man for not ordering the holocaust. He is still his associate.
I honestly wish they tied this in with the sequels and since anakin became evil bc of the jedi/palps thats why leia trained to be a jedi but never fully became one bc she was scared to become like him
So good! A “What if” Luke and Leía swap places
"tell your sister, you were right" still gets me tearing up
You were right about me...😢😢😢
Leia: “And also don’t forget that you stuck a needle in my forehead!”
Vader: “oh, yeah. My bad.”
Leia forgiving her was Good in legend's and canon needs to be like that too.
I'm mostly just wondering if this could still be considired canon
It could if someone wrote it into canon now, but as far as this story is concerned, it’s legends material, and pre-Disney canon. I still accept it into my headcanon though
@@Eviyl Yeah me too
This this why made Luke a much better Jedi than Leia.
Luke felt it in Vader. Leia wasn’t strong enough with the force when she was around Vader to feel the conflict and good inside him.
Literally she doesn’t forgive Vader but forgives Anakin and is the reason why she names one of her children after him
Vader killed her family
Anakin was her family and was lead down the wrong path
She knew, something horrible happened to her father. Because she saw the good in him in those holograms. Felt my father Anakin deserved forgiveness, not Darth Vader!
This was actually in legends, but it's also in my headcanon for what actually happened in disney Canon.
This could’ve been a great path for making her a new villain. Her hate could potentially drive her to the dark side, making her, not Luke, the Skywalker heir to the empire.
I would be mad too but you gotta understand he lost his mother he basically lost everything😢
Still no excuse for anything he did. He lost everyone because how much of a man baby he was and how easy he was to manipulate. All you had to say was I can save your wife and he would do everything you asked of him.
I mean if it's no excuse for serial killers why vader😂
So are we just going to ignore the fact that Vader had Tarkin blow up Leia's home planet?
No one is trying to justify all the evil acts anakin performed as vader, but just like how anakins selfless act of saving luke in rotj didn't erase all the evil acts vader performed as vader. All the evil acts anakin performed as darth vader didn't erase all the good he performed while he was anakin.
@@kel-lee8621😂😂😂😂. Man baby.
It said that forgiveness frees yourself and not the person you forgive.
I love the background song
So, leia saw the phantom menace
During that same trip to tatoonine she also view the painting of anakin Skywalker winning the banta classic, while voicing great disbelief that a human could win a podrace. Few yrs later she names her second son anakin Solou who tragically died and his wife turned to the dark side. Legends canon is so much better than disney
People seem to forget that we change we're not the people we were as children and we're not the adults that we've become as we grow older and even in death there's a change
Anakin only wanted his daughters forgiveness and for her to understand that what Darth Vader had done was not Anakin. Obi-Wan was quoted as saying that you have allowed this dark thing this evil force to twist your mind until now you have become the very thing you have sworn to destroy; Leah couldn't forgive her father because she never knew him as her father he died before she was born and what was left was a mechanical monster and a dark wielder of the force that had no compassion and no understanding outside of what the Chancellor allowed him to have and too many times I actually see this becoming a reality with our young people who are filled with hate and taught to be raged when they're not taught enough love or compassion but just to resent and fight back against what they're taught is evil and yet what they think is evil is something they don't even understand you can't call something that you can't understand and it's something you can't understand you can't understand how you feel you need to see your choice choices and when you can't understand your choice your left with doubt you're left with rage just as Anakin was a mustafar when he went against Obi-Wan and felt that Obi-Wan was trying to do something with his wife
You’re forgetting something Leia that was not your father that was Darth Vader
You sort of forgot how she herself was tortured….remember “A New Hope?”….
Vader tortured her too. Brutally at that based on Andor
Taking children from their parents is the greatest crime the jedi ever committed, they were asking for trouble
„Tattooine ghost“ is worth for just this😢
Tragic
Many that scene would have been cool to see in the movies or animation
Hatred leads to the darkside
And that is how Leia started her career in adult acting after the rebellion...
Thanks for the info
I loved when in the now Legends continuity when she saw a force ghost of her father she didn't see the person that is Anakin she saw a very creepy version of her father in the Vader suit walking slowly and appearing slowly to her at first because of the hatred she had in her heart but as she heard the voice of her father the loving voice of her father he started to turn into the force ghost of the accurate depiction of Anakin the one who actually turned from his evil ways and was no longer bound by the restraints of the darkside of the force
Oh, how touching....
I love how In Star Wars certain items are only ever found by the main characters, it’s not like any of the other trillions of sentient life forms could have found items decades old
Ghosts of Tatooine
See now that’s how to make me cry
One of the many ways the sequels failed is that we never got the father/daughter reconciliation that we had with Luke and Anakin. They should have had Leia and Anakin's force ghost playfully bicker with each other.
She named her youngest Anakin as a sign she forgave him. But that was Legends. Also if she hadn't forgiven him she was in danger of turning to the Dark Side.
What book is this from I want to read it looks like a great book
Anakin's ghost visited her in "The Truce at Bakura", Leia learnt about Anakin's past in "Tatooine Ghost".
@@fdjtron1732 thanks bro, May the force be with you
@@fdjtron1732Bakura from yugioh appear???
@@Avocado_Ruler nope
Don't forget, he terrorized her with a floating-needle droid inside her cell, too.
God dude. This would have been such an epic place to go for the sequels. If only
That last image of Carrie is why I clicked the vid
Everybody deserves a second chance of Redemption including forgiveness
When Anakin Skywalker torture Han Solo and also slaughter people and destroy Alderaan was under Palpatine's s manipulation.
For those interested, Leia's talk with the ghost happened in the Truce at Bakura.
Doto went to school for krillen kombos then got mixed by a GT Goku light jab
Remember if wifey is angry give them the kids dads!
Anakin and the other characters in this show were the best in every aspect and the characters are the most important to the show so I think it’s worth a shot if you’re looking to get a taste for it in a different light show than what you are currently in this series and I hope that helps a lot to see how you can see it and how you like the characters
At the end of the day, every kid needs a relationship with their parents 😊
Man !!! Why didn’t Disney just follow through with George’ Original script , with Leia and Mail? 😡
With Disney emasculating the Force and all that, I'm guessing they took one look at Darth Talon and went into a full seizure....
She is really one of the most "regular" people in the verse, despite she shouldn't have forgiven him just because he was a kid how everyone else
Bro murdered her mom
There is no forgivness, only malice.
Such a bummer that we couldn’t continue the story in a way that honored the Skywalker Family’s story.
Also, in the novels, she named her third child Anakin.
Good on her for not forgetting all the evil deeds of his. Luke was a simp
This did happen in one of the novels. She meets her father's childhood friends and the tell her what a great man he was. How he freed them from slavery.
This post is correct basically, that she did have a better understanding, however this did not occur due to Shmi Skywalker's diary.
Ok but how did she just stumble upon Shmi's journal. Thats like,... what
I would love to see this scene in a movie
If only this story had been the sequels. It would have been amazing, and also, it would have been a goose that kept on laying
Shmi 😂 hey its sh-me
At least this doesn't make Claudia Gray's book bloodlines cannon because she really messed it up I would like to see an episode somewhere in the Star wars show where Leah after forgiving her dad is lying in Louisville he appears and then she realized she will always need him but also at the same time she realizes he won't always be around to rescue her he knows that given that she has great power she can do amazing things like her twin brother Luke Skywalker
I never considered it to be a decision that Vader made. Sure, he probably could have stopped it, but that's not the point
No never ever did she forgive him not even when it was her father 😕 and she hated him so much and that was that
Fortunately your shitty opinion is not actual facts
I am NOT an Anakin/Vader hard-core fun, yet I'll be respectful of those who are, while supporting my opinion.
I do not think Anakin and Vader should be considered different.
They are the same, BUT with appropriate considerations.
His character wants to show:
- how people can be capable of both deep, sincere love and horrendous atrocities.
- how unresolved past issues, bottled up emotions, manipulation, lack of empathy/understanding from those around you and lack of right guidance can bring a person to the edge of desperation and ultimately push them down a more than terrible path.
- how darkness can corrupt one's soul and transform them into a monster. Someone unrecognisable from the happy little kid they were.
I'll also add that Vader was yes capable of monstrosities but he was also suffering tremendously both mentally and physically. Something that doesn't condone his crimes, but that might play a factor in forgiveness. Palpatine was a monster who had not suffered even remotely as Vader. I tend to be more empathetic towards those who commit evil deeds but also suffer.
I don't blame Leia for not forgiving him right away. What would you have done if he had destroyed YOUR world, tortured YOU, YOUR fiance etc?
Good question.
To those who say they would have forgiven Vader, be careful, because one thing is judging a fictional character who cannot hurt you. Another thing is forgiving sb who had done evil to you.
And also in reality you'll never know if someone who has hurt was suffering as well or was simply an asshole.
Forgiveness is much easier in fiction.
I say Luke was the perfect example of true forgiveness. Damaged by Vader in many ways (Obiwan killed, mechanical hand, lost friends)yet capable of still seeing the good in him and understanding his past. He had forgiven Vader even before he saved him, in my opinion. He saw how a loving child could be transformed into a suffering monster.
That's way saying Anakin and Vader are different personas ruins the whole final message.
Thats why Leia wasn't the one to be trained
Very interesting.
Anakin,Vader... Not the same guy
Luke and Leia never met there grandma or grampa 😢
I don't even think palps was evil when he was a child. It was only after plagues or however you spell it found him.
Leia was a stand up character, since she was a kid she already way mature than Luke, even as far as in empire strikes back after Luke lost his family, and his mentor, Luke still have the audacity to act "selfish" in front of Yoda (saving his friends instead of completed his training) but ironically that helps Luke have better understanding of human's imperfection than Leia, something that resembles the difference between what Qui Gon and The Jedi council used to be
And that's why Luke's trying to kill Ben Solo in the sequel trilogy is a blasphemy, because it kills the "Luke" that has already been established in the original trilogy
More importantly, did Chewie ever forgive _her_ for the 'big walking carpet' remark on the Death Star...?
Leia would've been Vader's favorite had he become a normal dad.
Is this canon?
I'm pretty sure this is in Legends
Technically Legends! Source is in description!
I’m glad 🙂 she forgives anakin.
Good writing
This should have been the sequel movie 🤦♂️
This is what I wanted to see in Disney star wars
Would love to read this. Sources???
He wasn't a monster,he was just a broken lonely man😢
He was both. $:^ J
Why why did Shmi Skywalker have to die
And this is the reason why Disney doesn’t want anybody to know what happened in the books after number six movie. It just explains everything and what was happening and then they go and say oh don’t read the books anymore cause we’re not gonna go buy them. Disney are idiots.
Leia was Anakins daughter and Luke was padme’s son
Stories like this are why George made everything outside the stuff he worked on directly non canon alternate universes. The writers either don’t care about canon and want to write their own version or they don’t understand the story of star wars
Vader and Anakin are two different characters. Anakin was taken over by Vader the moment he was knighted by Palpatine. The good Luke saw in Vader was the small piece of Anakin that still remained. Luke was able to draw that piece out giving Anakin the strength to defeat Vader and take control in order to save his son and kill Palpatine. By doing this Luke redeemed Anakin for his past mistake of not stopping Palpatine with Mace. Thus there was nothing for Leia to forgive as Vader was the one who destroyed her planet and family not Anakin. Leia was just as force sensitive as Luke which is why she was able to sense and understand this
However if the writers actually acknowledged these facts and deeper meanings they would have to follow George’s story and wouldn’t be able to make up their own version of events