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RAID: Shadow Legends (From Plarium Games) is a lot of things, but creative... might not be one of them. It seems that through a design competition they have created a highly sought after derivative champion without credit, prize or recognition for the original artist.
What might have been a completely legal maneuver is complicated by a claim that this miraculously similar champion was created in a vacuum during 2019, and that they do not want any "reputational damage"... while ignoring and cutting off communication with the artist.
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I wouldn't be surprised if absolutely all assets in Raid: Copyright Infringements is basically stolen content.
UEG, not gonna lie bro, that opening had my heart rate on the incline.
So as a cyber forensics major this case is pretty cut and dry for legally investigating this as a theft of intellectual property. This is because you can track the metadata of the artwork done by clarian games and see exactly when it was created, edited, and by whom. It is not something easily faked and has legal ramifications if it is.
So what happened to the guy who won the competition's character then.
rants about raid shadow legends, yet has a 1 minute sponsor for manscaped in the middle of the video
sounds kinda strange
and i hate to say this but also greedy as well
what has youtube become
"Could you please give us a list of your questions that you want to ask so we may be able to better our communication" is buisness code for "tell us what youre gonna ask so we can make pre fabricated lies that will be hard to see through"
Funnily enough: their statement was easy to see through.
to be fair, that's a normal thing to do before calls between dev teams. The management/marketing dept who will be on the call, most of the time will need to ask other depts for the answers to questions. So questions are sent days in advance so there'll be time to gather up answers, or ask the experts to join the call if needed. Getting onto calls only to get all of your questions answered with "I'll check with the appropriate dept and get back to you." is pretty frustrating, especially if it's a call between time zones.
After the 2nd e-mail is where it starts to look bad. The pressure should've lessened after the artist stated he just wanted an open ended discussion, since it shows the call would be informal. And most questions could be answered just by bringing one other person (either the Plarium artist, or team lead, or art director) into the call. Depending on the company culture (which I have no knowledge of), no further communication could be because the contact person didnt want to be the fall guy for a crime he didnt do, or because the contact person brought this up the chain and got instructions to keep silent.
@@ChemySh To be fair its normal so that they cann fabricate answers to protect assets. Also why would they need said info as if the hero creation process is thing in which "Benching" is step. They know the dates oddly but the thing is they can't fabricate legitimate certifiable evidence. Only fragile lies that seem true on their end. Until ya follow it to trademark and copyright registry.
Artists should make a fail safe color variation of whatever art asset they create so when a company decides to steal their creation and do a lazy color swap they’d be covered.
when i was young i did everything to forging docs and shredding files to dumb in a fire barrel. ..... I was at that time foolish enough to think, "This is totaly normal, straight legit business practice." hell, i even seen a dude start a car with those keys ya get in mail. thing is tho dude didn't grab a saleman before he tried the key. He started up and a saleman grabbed key, switched and claimed flook. he had several in his pocket to replace..... After that people got obviously fake keys. Lawfirms and Dealerships are scum at a high rate, not all but more so than not.
As a designer, NEVER do art "Contest".
You are literally giving the company free advertising. PLUS free brainstorming.
Companies literally just steal your work, use you all for free research to insure they pick
the best ones.
Not unless there is a participation prize like $5 credit. But yeah thus case was clearly a scam, but that is RAID: Shadow Legends for you.
As a company, NEVER do art an "Contest".
If you ever release character that is similar to the many thousands of submissions you get, people are gonna assume you stole the design.
Never even approach or give a fuck about phone apps and as a designer they'll probably do much better otherwise. Just stay away from the phone market unless your a pathetic excuse of a human that enjoys making lots of money off of people's anguish and unhappiness. Anyones retarded for supporting the garbage microtransaction system regardless.
Sucks he got burnt, but hopefully this teaches a few people a lesson they needed to learn.
@@tranquilitybase8100 So what if people assume? Many of the companies who do this art contests are not legally binded even if they steal everything. Their company headquarters are god knows where in Thailand or hong kong. Many don't even bother with art contests and just do carbon copy art vise from some popular games.
Unless the art contest has a big prize pool of $$$, don't waste your time or energy on it.
The fact the contest rewards were in-game currencies is laughably pathetic.
Yeah I have no sympathy. No matter what, they were giving away their work for free. This person doesn't value their own work, why should I?
Money, half now half later. always.
"If you're good at something, don't do it for free" Joker.
Remember the clown or be a clown.
@@PaizuruInsanal It's the competition not a commision so "half now" in this case does not apply. But for the prize to be some in-game currency is a freaking flipping the bird and basically making hunders if not thousands of artists join the competition so you can pick the best one and get an artwork for free of charge....
"It's the artist's fault.", "No sympathy."
So what if they walked into a trap? Should then Raid be excused for what they did? A crime is a crime, doesn't matter if the victim is naive. Your attitudes perpetuate shitty practices.
Yeah, they can literally make things they can sell for plenty of real money, at the mere "cost" of a click to change a bunch of numbers in the submitters account.
Wow, i’m so glad I still haven’t taken any of their shit sponsor offers. God I hate raid.
Never liked mobile games so I never took any offers.
Slam dunk raid in crossout
I don't mind raid sponsorships. Everyone should know by now what the deal is, the game is hot garbage but people have bills to pay.
yes, raid is shit
Heard stories of tubers being offered $40,000 for reading out their advert. They make you read a script and you have to say it right to get paid.
Not only do you report on them stealing, but you actually hired the artist they stole from and showcase his work.
You sir are a legend!!
But they didn't steal his artwork the two designs look completely different the only thing they have in common is an already establish architype.
@@angrygnome4304 aye, forgot to edit my comment after watching the video.
@@angrygnome4304 it wasnt just the design they stole it was the skills and lore too.
here's my homework just make a few changes so it's not obvious
He is a true legend unlike raid.
I'm guessing we won't be getting a Raid sponsored video anytime soon.
He’s received offers from them but has denied pretty much every time
@@delmerputnam1679 wise
@@delmerputnam1679 now, I see why... In all honesty, I'm sick of constantly seeing RAID: S.L. ads!
@@AlexKaneROTN same. When it’s a UA-cam paid ad, they all sound the same. When it’s a commercial the acting is terrible
@@delmerputnam1679 exactly. These ads just have absolutely no efficiency, other than being revenue for the platform and its content creators. Not that I knock on the creators for it, of course. I'm just saying! Lol at least put a little more effort to make the ads more appealing! 😅
Everything in Raid looks visually unoriginal to me. It's so many designs from so many sources dissonantly mashed together.
Most of these Chinese mobile games are like this, aren't they?
That was my first impression of Raid: aggressively generic looking. I could not understand why it was getting so widespread and "popular" when these ads first started popping up.
Raid is a glorified casino that's dressed up to look like an epic fantasy game. Hell, there's even a fucking button to have the game play itself! The only part of the game that matters is the in-game store and currency. The gameplay and "lore" built around it is meaningless.
The fact most of the lore is outside of the game is bull when games like War of The Vision: Final Fantasy have character bios for even crossover plus full voice acted cutscenes. They also give you a lot of free pulls and I’ve gotten UR units from those free pulls.
That could be said of almost any video game. Your point is invalid. Also this is not a chinese mobile game lol the devs live in israel. Also the button for the game to play itself will not get you through end game content. You actually do have to think, use strategy, and gear your champions appropriately. Also you dont have to spend a cent in this game. Everything is obtainable in game. Some stuff is hard to get, as it should be.
I'll be honest, his first mistake was engaging with Raid at all... Don't do that, its an obvious gacha scam, you don't want your work in there.
Gacha games are some of the biggest employers nowadays unfortunately because of their never ending demand for assets. He did was a sucker for not doing it the formal, asking money upfront and took shady contest with more clauses than a modern Yu-Gi-Oh meta for v-bucks or whatever.
He's an artist by profession, and may have little to no idea about Raid and its reputation among the community that are in the know. A lot of people only know of Raid through the sponsorship/ads and nothing more, prompting them to assume that it's as popular as the sponsorship segments and ads paint them to be. Hell, gacha games and their typically dishonest nature in general may be an alien concept to these people, including the artist.
If you take a look at any popular gacha games on the market rn
You will see that they only charge you for cosmetics
Take a look at Azur Lane, people ready to open their wallet for COSMETICS
And the game still make money
@@tunguska2370 "They only charge you for cosmetics.", That statement is factually incorrect. They charge you for more than just cosmetics.
Using Azur Lane as an example, their main revenue comes from the individual characters (in this case 'ships') that are locked behind a rotational lootbox system with extremely low drop-rate (some have pity systems as a saving grace). Skins account for but a small fraction of the total monthly revenue.
@@tunguska2370 They are far from only cosmetics. Most of them charge for entire characters, then always have several extra layers of wasting your money like equipment, moving this equipment, energy systems and so on. Gacha games are traps by default.
Never do any of these competitions. The rewards are always MINISCULE amounts of in-game currency, and just a way for the companies to extract a bunch of free labor out of the community.
plarium: we do not want reputational damage
also plarium: acting as shady as they can
I use to play a Plarium game, it was a classic PtW browser war mmo that was based on pirates and sea units. I never bought stuff, but it was a cash cow, very popular worldwide, doesn't surprise me the company was bought out by a casino machine company, with ties to gambling lobbies.
That's their basic business model...
Raid: Shady Legends.
Litteray new among use players
Oh damn, haha that’s my artwork that I was commissioned to create.
Thanks for the exposure.
My names Keegan Francis on artStation if you wanted to see the original post.
Funny to see they liked it so much they just stole it.
"send us a list of questions" is something they said so they can think up the best way to respond rather than having to bullshit live on call.
Its pretty common for submission contest rules to contain clauses that make any submissions property of the company holding the contest. Since the prizes were in-game things, which cost the company nothing to give away, they were basically fishing for free designs.
Raid shadow legends, currently the biggest advertiser of UA-cam aside from Genshin Impact.
Two games Upper Echelon Gamer hates. What a combo.
Genshin is atleast a well built game and isn’t scummy besides from the wish rates.
I’d rather play honkai impact than genshin impact ngl. It feels like mihoyo focuses more on hi3 than genshin with the content drought genshin is in.....
@@lawz7787 Content drough, ah yes, 1 new event per 1/2 weeks, and new story events once a month is considered content drough now.
What next? You gonna tell how game is basically dead?
Genshin is just Chinese spyware
@@FakeLeffty Once you've played enough you'll reach a point where besides events there's really not much to do. Now, all events aren't designed for all players so some people might skip some events they don't like and find themselves with 20-60 minutes game daily.
I was all like: It's totally possible it was just a coincidence that two artists just so happen to draw similar looking characters... and then you started comparing the abilities.... and now I'm all like: Oh they dun fukktup.
What really scared me about raid shadow garbage is that it seems there is a demand for it. Just eeeww.
Just think how stupid most people are. It's sick but not shocking.
People like PigRoach spend tens of thousands on stupid money-pit games. That is the kind of person these shit games attract.
Remember to eat shit... because trillions of flies can't be wrong!
This is a joke pointing out that just because something is popular does not mean that it is good.
To be fair from what I've seen of the gameplay it appears to be monetized/loot boxed Pokémon. You have a team of monsters/legends/heros that level up and have turn based combat with rock/paper/scissor style types.
It's standard phone game bullcrap. But it's core gameplay is Pokémon/ JRPG combat so not surprised there's people that would enjoy it.
Yeah its pretty scary there is a demand for Shitware like this game.
Rather play Pokemon if I'd wanted that particular gaming fix and not this garbage.
This is similar to what happened to me when i won third place on a character creation contest on a game named Lost Saga (online brawler by Kreon, korean dev, Indonesia server). It happened when I'm just starting college 7-8 year-ish ago. The contest more or less have the same terms that i knew going in and the prize for first place is that their character can be made and put into the game and after they got released then the winner cannget it for free (with extra premium cash currency that's not really that much, equals to buying 3 premium heroes if i recall). So the character/ hero got made and it was a hero named "Pentjak Silat", As the first place winner while the others, mine included aren't. Things went as usual for a while and then out of the blue my character who only lands on third place got made by the dev, with 1:1 comparison to mine, design wise and mechanic wise, the hero name is "Hacker" (Same name, design, movesets, gears etc)
i was shocked beyond belief and surprised because they never say anything about it but happy nonetheless because I'm just a sociology minor student at that time that does art for a hobby but in the end when the character got released on my server and i have to BUY MY OWN CHARACTER its just feels wrong.... I mean even though it was a popularity based contest and a forum exclusive one and the prizes aren't that good in the first place, heck i can say that it's horrendously low for a p2w game like Lost Saga that demands you to buy these heroes and gears using irl money and such (you cant grind them out) i still think that at least i can get my character of my own design for free. I'm an average spender in that game and kind of regretted it and i just think they didn't really appreciate my efforts or credited me properly.
In the end while i do feel kinda shitty I'm not really mad and extremely happy seeing my design that didn't actually won the contest have been brought to life. It also implies that the devs likes my design, more than the 2nd place winner at least, but if i have the knowledge back then i might do things differently.
Edit : grammar mistakesss
You should still sue for royalties.
"We investigated ourselves and found that we actually did nothing wrong."
FBI crack trade moment?
@Lost Virtue yeah it was a joke
Ah yes I have found that I didn’t commit multiple manslaughter
"We don't want reputational damage" As if their reputation can be damaged fourther.
sadly when artist take part in competition like this, they lost all right to thier work because it's always part of the term to take part. this is also why you dont own anything that you design in games that allow content creation.
That's not how it works. Unless you've signed over the rights to your work in an enforceable contract, you have the copyright.
@@SpaghettiToaster I believe you still have to file for that, don’t you?
@@absolutelydegenerate1900 File for copyright of your own work? No, you have that by default.
@@SpaghettiToaster that is why no company ever run a design contest without "all your work is our property and we can do as we please with it" clause as a term to take part in the contest...
company has lawyer to write out the term and condition of the contest, so they usually will make sure all their bases is covered, so they dont get someone try to sue them for using a summited design in promotion.
@@SpaghettiToaster to show that it is yours in a court of law I mean?
He had me in the intro lmao
Same
Ditto lol
He had me when I saw the notification
I actually had the Raid ad before the video so.... that was the best intro
To be fair.. this video is kinda sorta "sponsored" by raid. 😝
Omg yeah raid is getting worse and worse. been playing raid for 2 years. They raised taxes twice this year. And CVC destroying clans
Raid has always been trash
"Most ambitious game"
What taxes do you pay in game?
You gotta elaborate on taxes
The game charges taxes?!
"They raised taxes twice this year" Ok dude now you got our attention
Blumhouse tried to do something similar with horror movies years ago. If you are a creative person, DO NOT GIVE ANYTHING FOR ANY CONTEST. You can self publish on Amazon for written stuff and keep these art ideas for portfolios. They would not hesitate to use copyright to screw you over so don’t help them make it easier.
Artist: "I made this"
Raid: *YOINK* "We made this"
I have personally never met a single person that has actually played this game. They all said that the constant ads and sponsorships turned them off permanently.
What constant ads lol
I, truthfully, downloaded the game just as a meme back during when every single sponsorship was from Raid. When I first started it was kinda okay, kinda fun, but I eventually realized it's just a money grab. It's a terrible game and I don't recommend trying it. Waste of time. Every time you open the main home page of the game you just get spammed by shop offers non stop and you need to close each one individually.
Idk why the game design really rubs me off as kings raid rip off with gatcha
Sadly no artist has enough time or money to attempt a lawsuit on them. All we can do is not support them as a company.
Ive never downloaded it and though ive thought of it theres no shot now. Its just a straight waste of money
#CancelPlariumGames
"They stole that artist's work"
*"ah yes the floor is made of the floor"*
reminds me of a VERY old game, Ultima 3", where you have to fight some monsters called "floors", which are effectively invisible since they look EXACTLY like part of the floor!
This reminds me of a story from Sears. An employee came up with a wrench design where you could easily switch the socket and direction of the turn without having to take it apart and he submitted that idea to the company expecting them to do the right thing. They told him that they would not use the idea and then months later he saw it in an ad in a magazine. This wrench design is the one we all know of today. He complained and they responded by giving him like 20 grand or something. He pursued legal action and the company fought so long and hard that the original man's lawyer died and the case was taken up by his son. This is a second generation lawsuit that cost so much money to Sears said it would have been cheaper just to pay him what he was owed years ago
Something tells me all the content creators who have taken sponsorships from raid garbage legends won't have anything to say about this.
They probably don't even know
Why would they? it's free money for them and they don't give a shit about the people who watch their videos.
@@DeepFakeLofi Not that they don't give a shit they just want the money.
Post this in FoggedFTW's Raid discord. I Know he is an honest guy and won't stand for this.
@@jasonleejames_official Do you think celebrities that advertise coke in movies care that Coca Cola Corporation sent paramilitary death squads in South America? Nope. And that's okay. They're not obligated to know or care. Doing ads doesn't make you guilty of things your customer does.
technically this video is brought to you by
RAID SHADOW LEGENDS because if raid didn't exist he wouldn't make a video about it
The TOS saying you renounce any rights to the materials you submit are a major red flag.
Make people work for you literally for free AND potentially steal massive amounts of material that would have costed a fortune in time, effort and money.
What is an even bigger shame is that they took the very original design (sure the Mesoamerican Lizardman is nothing new, but it brought some fresh things to the table) and turned it into a generic fantasy design, even dumbing down the name. I actually really like the Mesoamerican Lizardman aesthetic because it uses a fantasy race with no grounding in Tolkien (as other fantasy races tend to originate from) and it showcases a really vibrant group of cultures (I specialise in Mesoamerican Studies so perhaps that's just my bias) that is normally ignored or ridiculed in popular media - but the corporation, surprise, surprise, went with the safe mainstream option. No credit and no respect for the artist or their original vision.
They probably wanted to steal the concept, but not get into a lawsuit with Games Workshop or Creative Assembly with the Mesoamerican Lizardman theme , so changed it a bit
@@TheCrimsonSporkA fair point, but I would dispute that somewhat by saying that Raid has also got orc and elf characters which Blizzard, Bethesda or Games Workshop could sue over if they could - but I don't think anyone actually has any real rights over fantasy races nor can they claim to possess cultural aesthetics otherwise the Tolkien estate could sue three-fourths of the fantasy genre. The Elder Scrolls also portrays the Argonians as Mesoamerican, and yet they have seen very little trouble from GW.
This is something you'd have to ask a lawyer of course, but I think most Judges would just scratch their heads saying: "What's a Lizardman? What's a Mesoamerican?" Although I'd love to be a fly on the wall listening to two professional lawyers battling using deep lizardman lore.
Can't have 'huge reputation damage company would take' if there's no good reputation in the first place
This whole situation can be summed up as: ORIGINAL CHARACTER DONUT STEEL!
Or to summarize it even more: plagiarism.
@@yu-nee4642 Except the designs don't even look similar, and the one RAID used is quite generic.
Mmmm... Donuts.
Not really original tbh
@@wrongthinker843 IKR, it's basically a dragonewt with a spear.
When the guy's complaint reached the dev team they probably reacted with: "But we bought this form the asset store."
The e-mail response was oddly specific with the dates and the colour choices. Usually, it's a red flag when people are too specific, and they are probably lying. A long time ago I read a book or article about interrogations, and it said that people who tell the truth are often vague in their responses or misremembers things, while people who lie often have rehearsed a story and in the hopes of being believed they tell an almost too perfect story with too many details. The e-mail seemed to me as a rehearsed story. I would've believed it more if it said "back in 2019" instead of "Jan xx, 2019". I'm amazed that they didn't include that it was a beautiful day, although a bit windy. :)
If I were the artist, I'd be asking for the actual clip/.ai files with the proper "created by" dates, and all the corresponding design documentation for the champion. Failing that, I'd drag them to court.
file metadata can easily be forged, so that would prove nothing
Unless you're the first person ever to draw a bipedal dragon wearing a loincloth holding a spear and he's not you have no case. The designs look nothing like each other and the concept isn't anything new.
@@dmitriyluchikov3129 Agreed -- it absolutely can. But, if we get the whole design docket, there might be some signature pages in there, for in-house approvals, and who knows what else?
Idk, brother. I'm no expert -- just someone mad at a company on the interwebs, lol.
This concept is fairly popular within fantasy theme games so they might have actually made this concept beforehand but I agree that the way they handles this wasn't the best
This video is sponsored by Raid: Shadow legends!
I always enjoy the fact that every video feels like a gaming detective mystery case. Especially with how much research you put into these.
Still surprised you Gundam and Clownfish held out this long against their offers.
Pshh, you shouldn't be surprised. They have integrity.
Gundam was actually banned from RAID due to...... "inappropriate" username
Never participate in art challenges, doing so cheapens the work of artists working right now and your future prospects.
Depends what art challenge, I would say don't participate in art challenges only designed to get something out of the artists for cheap.
There are a lot of monthly challenges out there that all they are intended for is motivating you to practice, then show off the work of the people who participated.
@UCkxwM6hi0wRrVK1W1Yr-6xQ yeah, the raid guys arent even offering money, just in game trash that costs them nothing.
And if anything, the prizes should be ABOVE what you'd make for a commission, this is a multi billion dollar company, that pays tens of thousands for individual influencers to advertise for them. And they're paying $0 for people to make in game characters for them (that they are going to monetise)
I would like to point out that the Company most likely wanted the artist to send them a list of questions Just so they could come up with some plausible answers pulled from the aether. And when they didn’t do that they cut ties and went silent.
Either is one or another, Aether is unknown void
@@jasonleejames_official bloody auto correct
@@joshuaweath7898 lol yeah
Yeah, IP law is inherently depressing.
we can all thank Disney, the recording industry, and the tech lobby for that
@@NightfallGemini disney can be thanked for a hell of a lot in the past 30ish years, in fact.
He doesn't own the concept of a bipedal dragon wearing a loincloth holding a spear that's an old architype that's been in plenty of other media.
@@angrygnome4304 did you watch the video? 🤨
@@kungfuskull
He's right, though. The video is unconvincing. A bipedal dragon wearing armor like that and wielding a spear is not a new idea. Funnily enough, it's more generic than the one created by the attention seeking artist, as his is just a bipedal winged dilophosaurus. The moveset being slightly similar in some aspects isn't very convincing either. Perhaps try thinking critically about something instead of mindlessly swallowing the opinion of a youtuber who has a hateboner for a terrible mobile game.
I mean, *everything* on Raid just looks like Wish’s version of Warhammer units.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the small print of the competition states that all submissions made become the IP of the company.
They're literally just looking for free labor. I dare say that being rewarded with in-game items or whatever is worse than being paid in "exposure".
Well the creators of this game are Jewish, what do you expect?
Say, didn't WB do something like this a few years ago? Hold a community art contest and then seize the rights for use and publication?
What is it with these game developers and their tendency to treat their communities like garbage?
That almost sounded like "this video has been brought to you by rage..." well, it wouldn't have been wrong.
Devil's Advocate: Bipedal lizard man with wings isn't exactly original. That being said, these designs are nearly identical, so they probably stole it.
My guess is it went like this...
They made a rough concept character in 2019. This dude entered his character into the competition. They noticed it was popular among players. They said "Hey, remember that Draconian type character we came up with?" Then they thought some of his ability ideas were better than theirs and modified their original concept.
Wish youd have almost anything on the screen besides that game while talking about the story, the “gameplay” is just eye gouge worthy
Raid is trash. Looks good. Thou tried it when it first came out and its a super grind.
I just wish more games had character designs as sexy and as cool as raid... with full credit to artists of course.
it looks like shit, the animations atleast
It's an Autoplayer game so it is designed to be grindy!
Tried it for full 10 minutes a year ago or so. Deleted immediately.
Castle Clash is mostly an Auto-Player game, @@Winterydee. The game was fantastic until I Got Games went full greedy POSes and turned the game from a pretty darn fun game to an agonizing grinder. From there to a P2W Only type of game where you literally had to pay a minimum $20 a day through the in-game Bazaar just to have any legitimate hopes of staying where you were or "become a better player" the more you spent a day. By the time I quit Castle Clash I was so full of rage and hatred for what Castle Clash had become. I still can not bear with the thought of playing the game to this very day.
I feel bad for the artist but their contest ToS pretty much stated "we're gonna steal your art and you can do nothing about it".
Before participating in such a shady contest I'd make sure to get legal advice first.
Literally just found this channel from the Titanfall 2 video that I watched 20 minutes ago. Good content, keep up the work.
Edit: Funny enough I got a Raid ad.
I was chuckling also when I saw the raid ad....
@@markusjanus2151 I might be pointing out the obvious here and if so, I'm sorry. The ads are chosen by YT algorithms probably based on probability of success among the audience due to similarities of topics. However, it's a beautiful piece of irony that a video bashing certain game and its devs is prefaced by an ad for the very same game 😁
This video destroys Raid so bad, I almost feel sorry for them. Almost, I dont, screw them and screw that game.
@Mr D J yes u should.Ethics are a thing in buisness
This is becoming an issue everywhere for artists. The fact is: do not post your ideas. You just can’t. Find other ways to show off your talent. I had my art ideas taken by a verified musician. That’s someone I know of. Most of the time you’ll probably never know when someone steals your art.
Feel you, and i'm a painter...
Here's my thought about this. The "official lizard" would have been done long before the second contest but they put the original artist's concept in the that contest. That to me is a nail in the coffin.
That sounds super early but let's look at it. Before the official release of Ramantu it would have been over a year to conceive the character and get its finished. Not knowing how many people are employed or actively working on new characters that still seems like a long time. Now a four month period seems more likely to make a character and if the concept was basically done by the original artist they just need the visual and skill tweaks to make it an "original character; do not steal" situation, like changing Sonic's color and name; boom! Sonic oc. To me this is clear as crystal they are guarding their asses.
I played Raid for about a month. Couldn't even get 35% of the story without spending cash. I said screw that and uninstalled it. Never touched it sense.
The fact that a raid shadow legends ad popped up on this video is beautifully ironic.
Calling it right now: Good video.
Edit: It was a good video.
It's a good video
Good video, it was
I wish I saw this when it initially aired. What Raid does is extremely common place in the art world. The majority of these competitions by these large companies is nothing more than a way for these companies to get free art/art ideas. They not only take the "winning" images but the non winners as well. It's technically legal as they post (in like 10pt font) legal jargon that allows them to take an artists concept and adapt it to their liking with no credit/reward. It is important for artists to read the fine print and ensure that before entering a contest that they retain 100% ownership of their work with a guarantee said work will not be used in any way, shape or form.
This rolling "game footage" is giving me PTSD and I only tried this game for a month when it first came out 🤣
You know that someone in the company used that model as their “own work”, then got a big promotion off of it and is now trying to give the real creator the workaround.
I hate people like this. We’ve all worked with one scumbag.. how do these type of people sleep at night knowing they are truly revolting inside and out?
This sort of thing happens all the time. The only surprising part is that they bothered to respond at all.
Back in highschool a friend of mine designed and submitted a prestige class for a steampunk DnD expansion he liked that was having a community design contest.
It was a called the Clockwork Knight and he designed an elegant little system to build up and spend points in combat that represented winding up and releasing tension in a gear system in the armour.
He didn't win any sort of prize but when the next add on book came out it had his prestige class in it, a nearly carbon copy of the powers and mechanics...only they called it a steam knight and had the points representing steam pressure.
He received no credit and no response whatsoever when he reached out.
I think getting the artist to do the thumbnail for the video is super cool, and highly respectable. Great video!
Th easiest thing they could have done is: "Hey [artist], we know you didn't win, but we would like to use your design. So to make it up to you, your account will have the new character already unlocked. Plus you will be credited."
Seriously it would have been such an easy win for the company as they now appear so nice and generous and built up goodwill from any future contest.
Was I the only one hoping for the insane possibility of this video being sponsored by RAID?
props to the stolen from artist your what really makes games work.
If raid had actually created the original design, they would have just met with the guy and showed the original concepts. They stole his work, then hoped he would just drop it.
What makes it so bad in my opinion, is that crediting the artist on the reveal of said character and sending him the fake pixel currency would have actually boosted their reputation, whereas theft does not. They lose nothing by giving credit and a handful of rewards. Hell they could have even credited the character to the artists account as well and lost nothing.
Original artist forgot to put "Don't steal my OC" in the character description lol.
Paid: Shady Bellends
the most baffling is that they could just pay the guy with their fake currency as "honorable" mention or something like this.
I think what might have happened was that one of Design or Art on Raid team "inspired" himself to meet some kind of champion quota without telling anyone about it. And now Raid is hiding their head in the sand to avoid having to let off the guy responsible or they might not even be able to find a plagiarist in their midst.
Marvel Comics did this decades ago. They had folks who were artists submit "The Next Villain". The winner gets their character featured in a book. I think it was Spiderman. I wanted in because I am an artist and that would have been a great opportunity. I read the fine print. Any submissions would become the property of Marvel Studios. To my knowledge no winner was announced.
Why don't this video sponsored by raid shadow legend?
that would be.... EPIC
"Why isn't this video"
Not trying to be mean or anything but hey man whatever drugs your on I'll take 2
@@RedRumRose106 Hey man, he's probably just learned English as a second language or experienced autocorrupt. So whatever drugs you are on that make you a blithering idiot. Maybe you should stop taking them.
@@chrisjackson1215 dude...do you not have a sense of humor?? Plus I clearly said I meant no harm by it....so chill dude
@@RedRumRose106 Your phrasing needs work if you think that looks like a joke bud.
@@chrisjackson1215 we've reach a time where correcting someone who is wrong is considered an ahole. Truly magnificent, i can't wait to see how dumb the future generations will be if a person like you who cant take minor corrections keep giving birth
The fact that they doubled down and insisted that it was a completely original piece of work is what I think is going to be the key point of legal contention. Like you said, if they had admitted to it, they could have relied on that disclaimer they put in in the initial Art Challenge. Furthermore, call me paranoid, but I felt that when they asked for which questions the Creator was going to ask, they were doing it to possibly prepare and come with fabricated documents to provide evidence of their suspicious timeline to prove that their character was completely original.
Artist: loves games and making characters
Me: nice! What game you support?
Artist: Raid: Shadow Leggings
Me: *facepalm
There is a faction in the game called Lizardmen. The artist created his concept based off that faction (I can tell just be looking at the concept art)so it's within the realm of reason that they could have already had a similar concept. Also, the listed abilities are generally similar in nature to abilities that already exist in the game.
From an artists point of view the champion looks almost nothing like the submitted concept art.
* Bipedal lizard man with wings - Hardy the most unique concept out there. Heck, mod some wings on an Argonian in Skyrim and bam, there you go.
* Frilled neckline - This is something that can be common on lizard characters, and these two don't even have the same type of frills. (also the face is more small, pointy and birdlike on the in-game model, not at all like the bigger raptor head of the concept.)
* Dagger tipped spear as a weapon - Not that unique of a weapon and I have seen that on other lizard designs as well, especially the more primal looking ones.
* Tail and spike pattern - They are not even the same type of spikes. The concept has bony randomized spikes while the champion seems to have a fin-like kind of design to it's spikes in a more streamlined pattern.
* Wings with spikes - Yet again this is not a very unique feature and the spikes are very different in styles and looks.
* Loincloth portion of the armor - It's a loincloth, many characters has these. The patters on them aren't even the same or particularly similar.
It is very possible that they really did have that character made when they say they did, and only now brought it out after receiving a concept submission for a hero that would actually fit that character. Especially after considering how very similar the skills are and how that would require less work to implement that way, so to me this seems to be the most likely case.
So did they copy the visual design? I would have to say no to that. But did they copy the character's playstyle concept? That does seem very likely, yes.
Literally had a Raid: Casino Legends ad before this video. Lmao
I wouldn't be surprised if the original concept of the character got made in 19 and then someone saw the Quetzal-Kan concept and used it to complete the design.
I absolutely don't understand their response to this. It would have costed them absolutely nothing: "Hey, thanks for reaching out! This design is indeed based on your contest entry. Although you agreed on our terms to pass all rights [...] we moved ahead and granted the champion to your account, free of charge with all associated optional content. Thank you for being such an amazing and creative part of our community!" (And they could even have done this in advance before he had to ask…) But guess common sense isn't anything some corporations want to see…
Once again, I am glad that I never gave Raid: Fraudster Legends a single second of my life.
I once created a champion design for Riots "Urai Jacksam", Bunny with katana who uses tornados, gapclose and slash ability as ultimate which knocked up target into the air. Sadly I lost this design art piece and internet archives from site where I posted it also didn't live long enough.
Now it's one of the most imbalanced and used champion in their game in a face of a human - Yasuo.
I know it was a fan made design, but still I would like them at least say something like "we took the idea and made hero from it". it would be as good as "work well done" comment.
This is like that in law that comes to the family gathering, gathers family recipes, goes home...adds 3tsps of salt instead of 2 and markets the recipes as their own.
he could claim to never have participated in the contest and that the designs submitted were stolen from him in the first place. their TOS are not enforceable in this way
"This concept revolves around artwork that appears to have being taken without credit I might add from an independent artist and that artist is also the creator of the thumbnail for this very video with his porfolio and social links down below.
Uhhh. Literally where? Oh the irony...
I don’t know what people expect from phone games. I played some Raid a couple years ago and it’s fine. One thing that’s better about Raid than older games of its type (I’m talking 2012 era) was that the old phone games would have about 5 minutes of gameplay before you have to wait to build up “credits” to play more. So they were lame. When I played Raid, I could mess with it for a good half hour or longer before it needed to go into “cool down” or whatever to build back your available playtime. An uninterrupted half hour is pretty good compared to the old games.
Pay to win is on the player. Personally I would never pay extra for a free phone game. It’s a phone game, come on. It’s something to do while you poop.
Welcome to 2021, where game developers pay their artists in virtual in-game currency.
Great content man, keep it up👍
👁️👄👁️Funny that i got a Raid Add when clicking on the video
probably because there is the word raid shadow legend in the title and that the youtube algorithm seems to give ad generaly related to the video you watch
Everyone at the start: *Is this an out of season, April fools joke*
Also everyone: It is *thank god*
I don’t like Raid, but it could be a Magic scenario with Colfenor. There was a custom magic card that came out for Colfenor months before he officially got a card in Commander Legends and the similarities are striking. The issue is, sets in Magic are designed about 2-3 years in advance, so Wizards probably had an idea for Colfenor before the fan did. But they’re so close it’s scary and funny.
does anyone use manscaped? because all I have heard about this is that its a shitty razer that WILL take chunks out of your sack, a review I watched way back said a beard trimmer would work better..
Not callin UEG a sellout or anything more just bringing attention to maybe it being a sponsor to look more closely at
I will tell you from my personal experience that my product works perfectly and has never taken a chunk out of me.
@@danielroggenbauer9004 thats good then ^+^
Not a fan. It's to the point where I won't use it for anything other than flat skin, like my face or *near* my balls, but definitely not on my balls. Not at the sametime ofc, I clean and disinfect it between uses.
But regardless, the few times I've tried to use it on my nuts, it's snagged or nicked my balls. Not great.
Works just fine on 'flat' skin though it still snags from time to time. Just a lot less painful.
@@admiralboot thats pretty in line with what I've heard from these, apparently the motor or whatever is just really slow and shitty
I'm sorry but i genuinely do not see it
I understand the similarities that were made between the guys' concept art and RAID's released character, but is that truly stolen content? What does that mean if this would win legally? Are winged spiky lizards with spears not allowed to be created anymore because this guy has done it? Could he claim copyright on any winged lizard because he did it first or something like that?
I am really confused because when i look at the two and compare, they just don't look similar to me at all. I understand the elements that are similar, but if two shooter-games use a similar ACOG scope is that copyright too or how does this all work? Is it perhaps specifically contextual in the fact that he did this for their contest and they then made something similar to it?
Yeah the designs are similar but they aren't to the point one looks like they stole it from another person, at most "influenced". They did basically copy thise two abilities like straight up but that wouldn't win him any cases.
I was a character artist, I wouldn't stay the design was stolen rather inspired. Everything we create even at it's seeminglt most orginal is simply a montage of everything we have seen.
The original artist should feel proud in the fact that not only were they inspired by his ideas, but that his design is so much better even when they had all the chance to build on it.
The problem here is that you can't rule out convergent design, especially if the two artists happen to have followed allot of similar media before.
It's a bit like how Star Citizen released a salvage ship that was almost identical to a salvage ship from EVE and while fans raged both companies chuckled about it. It wasn't a copy, they both just used the most logical approach to designing a small salvage ship working on the same type of resource thus ending up looking the same. It happens.
Haven’t watched it yet, but UEG thank you for great content. Very interesting and informative!
Honestly disappointed in the description of this video, I am unable to find the artist, but found a lot of stuff that correlates to titanfall, so if you could update and fix that I'd appreciate it.
Guys look at old D&D art using keyword "Draconian". Neither Raid nor the artist mentioned were the 1st to come up with a character looking like this. Standing winged lizards are everywhere in fantasy art.
I am currently studying 3D asset creation and animation, I am calling all animators, 3D modellers and programmers to come together to make a free to play Parody version of Raid. WHOS IN LADS?