The Legacy Of Batman: The DCEU And The Batman
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- Опубліковано 21 чер 2022
- In our final episode of The Legacy of Batman, we take a look at Ben Affleck's Batman effect on the DCEU through Robert Pattinson's gritty portrayal of The Dark Knight. A new wave of DC Heroes have been hitting our screens, but no other has taken the risk of Matt Reeve's The Batman. From the early aughts through present day, Batman will forever be one of the greatest superheroes ever put to page or film.
Part 1: The Beginning - • The Legacy of Batman: ...
Part 2: The Dark Knight Era - • The Legacy of Batman: ...
Stay tuned for more of the How Did We Get Here series in the future!
#batman #justiceleague #nerdstalgic
Written by Dave Baker
Edited by Brian Nappi - Розваги
The best part of this series was that it was also narrated by Batman.
Oh my god, you’re right.
How so?
@@dams6829 Sounds like it's narrated by Jason O'Mara.
@@mrmacross it was me - and I was totally pretending to be Batman when I recorded it :)
@@TedEvansVO Great job dude!
The Batman took the road of not building a “cinematic universe” but having this already fleshed out world around him and Batman was already Batman- it allowed the movie to focus on the actual story.
That’s cause we already had about a million Batman origin stories and I don’t think not one ever touched on Y2 Batman
Took them 5 movies to learn that lesson
@@stellviahohenheim That is the saddest of truths. 5 movies to figure out Batman comes with a built in lore and most of his massive fan base knows it.
The irony is, when it was announced that Batman was going to be an older, later in his career Batman I was hyped BECAUSE I thought that meant we would be spared stuff like the unneeded villain origins or seeing The Waynes get shot. I actually thought it would be assumed we didn’t need to see backstory for a Batman so late in the game... boy was I wrong
Ok but a DC cinematic universe could work. The fans deserve one thats just as good if not better than Marvel’s!
I remember seeing the documentary on getting Bill Finger’s name in Batman media. It’s really cool and I’m happy to see his name attached to Batman stories.
I didn't realize there was so much Batman content since The Dark Knight Rises. Yes, I have seen most of it, but most of it also feels like not Batman centric enough for me to count it as Batman content. For me The Batman felt like the first Batman film in 10 years. And it was amazing. It really did find that perfect balance in between Burton and Nolan and to top it off, the story felt original and very familiar at the same time. I am really excited to see where they go next.
I personally really haven't cared about the DCEU that much. I have fallen asleep during most of them and I can only vaguely explain the plot of only a few of them. I've been kinda waiting for a soft reboot or just calling it quits. I enjoyed both Wonder Woman films and The Suicide Squad. I respect Henry Cavill and Jason Momoa in their roles, but just don't care one bit about their characters currently. And due to not really caring about them, Affleck's Batman went in to the "not that interested" pile.
Gotham was fun. The Joker was a great one off story. The Arkham games are so much fun and I love going back to them, either by playing or as a game movie from UA-cam. The DC animated movies vary in quality, but I have mostly enjoyed them. Except Hush. Still annoyed with what they did to it.
It felt like the first batman movie in 10 years because it actually was. BvS was a crossover and so was Justice League / Snyder Cut JL.
Unless you count Lego Batman, that was also, a legit batman centric movie
I LOVE Nolans trilogy. However, the fact that Reeves very first movie compares to Nolan's best (Dark Knight) and Reeves has at least 2 more to make, gives me confidence he will easily have the best trilogy in the end.
The Batman was great, but let's be real it does not compare to The Dark Knight
@@thundereagle97 I think it's better than begins and rises but yeah for now i still prefer the dark knight
@@liebertjohann8524 I agree tbh it was better than those two movies
I know this is sacrilege, but I kind of feel like the worst part of Nolan's batman movies was the Christian bale batman, I really couldn't get behind him as batman cause of the guttural growly voice. Like the script was good and the acting as fine and it was shot great, but I really feel like bale was the worst part of those movies. Its not because I think bale is a bad actor, but I just really didn't like his batman. idk I just feel like it drags the whole movie down when batman doesn't feel like batman, I mean he looks the part, but I found it hard to feel threated by bale. like he felt threatening in psycho, but that's a very different character then what we got those movies.
I really liked "the batman" though and I like a more flawed workaholic batman. I also liked that it felt like an R, but it was PG-13 still. Like Gotham feels grimy, its serious movie though its not afraid to make a joke, and its dark/gritty, but not to the point of absurdity or to the point it feels like a gratuitous distraction.
@animations are good Biased how? My childhood Batman (and my favorite) is Michael Keatons. I think Nolans trilogy pound for pound is still the best. But to pretend like multiple critics and fans alike don't like Reeves Batman as much, and in some cases more than, The Dark Knight would be the bias. My favorite Batman is the 3rd best and I'm okay with that. If anyones biased it's people who get butt hurt when their favorite Batman is matched, or potentially surpassed lmao
As much as the Nolan batman's are legendary I honestly believe Reeves batman is the best.. The best Batman and best movie.! Pattinson nailed it. Can't wait for number 2
Lmao is that why it went straight to HBO max and didn’t make much box office money? 🤣
@@eazybucketz_23 May I remind you that this is the most money dc made from a movie in recent years and also made twice more than batman begins
@@totsirol1423 why did riddler decided to blow up the city in the end of the movie ?
@@totsirol1423 Um no, it’s not and it didn’t make twice as much turd. It only made 50 million more. Which if you take account for inflation Batman begins made more. 🤷🏽♂️
@@tryingtotryistrying bro, stfu. He was the one doing that comparison in the first place. You should remove yourself dummy. I was only correcting his statement. Lmao how emotionally you gotta be. I bet you wish you could suck up RP too. 🤡
The Batman (I'm vengeance) : versus Riddler
The Batman 2( I'm The Night) : versus The Scarecrow
The Batman 3 (I'm Batman) : versus The court of Owls
I like this comment but I'm afraid to tell you that Mr Freezer Man will be the villain in this second movie. Which I guess I'm not afraid to tell you because Mr Freeze is the shit
@@cummywummy2896 If mr freeze is gonna be the villain of the next movie, I want that movie to be released during christmas time.
PLEASE do one of these for Spider-Man, that would be so EPIC especially since they’re pretty similar in some areas; their constant media representation, their well known backstories, allies, and rouge galleries, and so on.
And just like Batman, the shitty movies are being given the revisionist history treatment. Even though they are don't understand the characters and never read comics.
@@alpacapines8553 except the Nolan films were great and were always critically acclaimed, whereas with the Raimi Spider-Man films people are kinda pretending that they were always beloved
Thanks to Battinson, future Batmans will walk slow & dramatic
And speaking instead of growling
@@cummywummy2896 his batvoice was perfect. Best sounding live action Batman BY A MILE.
As they should 😎
The lense tech batman was using to search in the database for people's identity, was one reason they made batman walk slow while observing things as the tech requires some time to scan someone's face to get their identity.
Another reason I believe is the detective side of him...just trying to be very observant and just taking in as much of the surroundings as he could.
The video I've been waiting for. What an experience The Batman was in theaters. After I saw it the first time I had to see it 2 more times. People clapped in my theater after it was over. The reason why Robert Pattinson was casted was by his 2017 movie Good Time that Matt Reeves seen him in and casted him as Batman. There's even two references to Good Time in this movie. Robert Pattinson has to be my new favorite Batman . He's the comic Adam West caped crusader in one movie.
hes the most accurate batman we had in live action
@@herloss448 brilliantly said.
@@herloss448 Idk if I'd say the most accurate, but it feels the most faithful to what the character stands for.
@@errwhattheflip well read some comics cuz its the most accurate
@@herloss448 I don't usually like using the word accurate given how DC comics is. I mean, you have comics getting retconned and discarded over and over again, so really the term "comic accurate" holds no real meaning. Now, faithfulness is a whole different thing, and I would confidently say that The Batman has the most faithful adaptation of Batman
"Not being a Batman fan himself (Affleck)"?!
I'm sorry, WHAT? There's probably HOURS of Kevin Smith audio with him gushing about how Affleck is a huge Batman fan.
"The Dark Knight Rises came out 10 years ago. In that time, there have been 5 feature films that have featured Batman or Batman characters"
You literally have Harley Quinn from Suicide Squad on screen for this quote, but you aren't counting Birds of Prey or The Suicide Squad? Do you bother proofing your work?
He said on an episode of Fatman Beyond that Affleck was a massive fan of Batman particularly the Miller run. He accepted the role of Daredevil because he felt that was the closest thing to playing Batman at the time because they weren’t making anymore Batman film’s. This narrator has an implied bias towards Snyder. Listen to the comment about MoS and hey I don’t love MoS and the theatrical cuts of BvS & JL. But how can you objectively not love Affleck as Batman after watching both Director cuts of those films. He literally becomes the Batman we loved with the No kill rule by the end of ZSJL when he has hope again. Minor nuances of Ben’s performance are nuances of an experienced Bruce Wayne watch the opening of ZSJL he already knows who Aquaman is and was steps ahead of the mayor? Chief? Head Pimp? Of that Norwegian town when they were having that conversation.
Ben understood the assignment and nailed it.
The Dark Knight is still my favourite superhero movie of all time. All because of Heath Ledger. Its an unforgettable performance. 🙏
This and “Logan” are my personal favorites
@@JuJuDen87 In terms of characters, TDK is better. But as an overall Batman movie, Begins is better
@@JuJuDen87 Definitely not. Batman Begins is a great film, but it has issues that TDK doesn't have. Sure, Batman Begins is better as a Batman film, but TDK is undoubtedly the superior film
@@JuJuDen87 Batman Begins is a better Batman movie and story, but the Dark Knight is one of the greatest movies of all time period!
Dark Knight was lightning in a bottle. The only CBM i've seen in theatres maybe 3-4 times
Batman Begins (2005) and Superman Returns (2006) should’ve started the DCEU. Both movies looked and felt like they belonged in the same universe. Bale and Routh were the perfect age to build a franchise off for the next two decades.
There was going to be the BvS involving the same actors...but WB cancelled the script since it was too DARK lol
Superman Returns was terrible but I feel what you're saying.
@@Thespeedrap that Superman movie can be summed up to Twitter complaints that tRuE DC fAnS saw Lacking in Snyder's Superman lol
@@Anshumansahu23 I just feel like Superman is a hard character to make into a movie let alone a great one. He's great in Richard Donner Christopher Reeve movies but that's it with me.Snyder version was bad also I give Cavill the credit due to the writing.
Great video series! One thing though, Suicide Squad didn't fail at the box office. It might have been critically reviled, but it was actually a pretty hit domestically with over 300M, which is why they went ahead with a sequel and Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn spin-offs.
Yeah him saying it was a fail was completely wrong
$746,846,894 worldwide, certainly not a flop. Better than man of Steel and justice league.
Yeah, I don't know why he said it failed at the box office. Given its budget, the fact that it was able to pull in around $750 million means that it was definitely a success on that front, despite everything else.
"They finally have them, worst of the worst."
Best and suitable line to put in this video. 🤣🤣🤣
I saw The Batman at an early screening in an IMAX theater and it was one of the best theater experiences I’ve ever had
Bale, Batfleck and Pattinson will always be tied for me. Each of them brought something different to the table while still being unmistakably Batman. I love them all for different reasons.
You don't like Keaton?
They brought something different but pattinson brought the acuracy.
@@doc8013 no was never the biggest fan of Keatons Batman. He’s too small and doesn’t look like he could ever realistically beat anyone up, kills for no reason, it’s obvious Burton never read a Batman comic and the two Batman movies he was in barely focused on him at all and spent most of their time on the villains. I still like Keaton, just not nearly as much as the three I mentioned.
@@lilstupidahhboy5155 I would say they’re all equally accurate, they just pull from different comics and focus more on different aspects of the character.
Yeah, Bale brought the grounded feeling, Pattinson brought the most accurate interpretation of the comic character, and Affleck brought a complete departure from everything Batman stands for.
The things i learned from batman If anybody needs it
Is that appreciate whatever time you have at the moment with someone
Be it be your parents or freinds
Bcos you never know what is going to happen tomorrow
When i read how much Bruce loses against his fight against crime simply by the fact that he doesn't kill
He loses his parents
He loses most of his Robin
He loses Alfred (in injustice ,he later comes back )
He loses so much yet comes back again to fight bcos he doesn't want the same thing that happened to him happen to other
That's just heroic
Also he shows us that there is bad in good and good in bad
And that forgiveness is hard but can be done for peace
The way he forgives the killer of his parents Joe chill
Is just beautiful at the Time i read the comic
And that's why
We always Love him all time
Batman forgiving Joe Chill is the only good thing about Three Jokers.
Mask of the Phantasm is still my favorite story and version of the character but The Batman is a close second.
What a satisfying ending, great series. I would love to see this format done for a "How Did We Get Here - James Bond"
Spider-Man may be the big movie character, but there's so little u can do w/ him story-wise... Peter Parker, teenager, college student, photgrapher, web-swinging hero, Avenger... That's it.
Batman is so multi-faceted w/ so many aspects of the character that can be made into stories... Bruce Wayne, multi- millionaire, philanthropist, playboy, CEO, detective, crime fighter, vigilante, protector, manipulator, organizer, deceiver, master of disguise, analyst, scientist, engineer, technological genius... the list goes on... And the comic book stories have so much material to work into the big screen.
This was amazing!!! Covered it all, and even things I didn’t know at all. Love it
What an incredibly detailed and thorough series! Thanks so much for the trip down memory lane.
So well researched and structured, looking forward to the next "How did get here?"
I love how you talk about the comics as well as the movies and tv shows. It's very much appreciated
Fantastic series! I had no idea about Reeves getting involved with Affleck's BatMan iteration. Reeves crushed it with The Batman, and I'm excited for the likely sequels we'll see in the future!
Small correction: While Argo won Best Picture, Affleck didn't win Best Director. He wasn't even nominated.
There are so many mistakes in this video
Can't wait for the next series, this was an excellent project
Great review and explainations
definitely need more of this series
The Dark Knight is the best live action, Return of the Joker is the best animated movie, Robert Pattinson is the best Batman and Heath Ledger is the best Joker (Joaquin is too different from the mainstream Joker). This is what I think
Flashpoint paradox for me is the best, although not a true Batman movie. I would tie Ledger with Phoenix. Both were just too amazing to pick one. Pattinson hands down the best Batman and TDK prolly barely beats out The Batman, but both are masterpieces.
Great series, really loved getting an almost complete overview (wanted to see more LEGO Batman). Would love to see more of these kind of series in the future.
Great job! I'm a new subscriber and I don't intend on missing even one of your videos!!!
Please do more of these!
I’ve absolutely loved this series. Would love to see one on Spider-Man since I feel he has a similar life in modern cinema to that of Batman the past few decades.
awesome!! looked forward to all these! totally do more! Casting my Vote for the legacy of Spider-man 🕷
The Batman is the best
Nerdstalgic feelin different.
Great video and ending to the 3 part series, I enjoyed it quite a lot despite not mentioning stuff like The Lego Batman Movie or other animated projects that were very succesful among fans. The rundown on The Batman also seemed very biased in favor of it for this type of video, but to each his own.
The exclusion of The Lego Movie and The Lego Batman Movie is an unforgivable exclusion, in my opinion. At a time when everyone else doubles down on the grit factor, trying to make Batman more "adult," the Lego Batman shows that a fun, campy Batman is still relevant and I suspect that the Lego version of Batman will have more of an impact on the character's "legacy" than anything else produced in the last 10 years.
Make more of these and I'll watch them
Great video
How did we get here: Spider-Man next please :)
Nice vid man👏
I love the idea of this type of series. You did very well. I thoroughly enjoyed this trilogy. I'd love to see an MCU-based "How did we get here?" 3.5 videos for 3.5 Phases?
*zack snyders dc movies were good BUT THEY COULDVE BEEN ALOT BETTER, if only WB and snyder could’ve communicated better to have had proper planning for this shared universe, then perhaps the actors wouldn’t have suffered trash decisions and cancelled movies*
There were few times where I went to the theaters to watch a movie more than once…this was one of those movies.
Do a Justice League Unlimited video for Batman’s scene with Ace.
You did amazing. I learned so much about my favorite movie hero. Dark Knight has to be the best over all in my humble opinion but I love most of them from 89 forward (yes, even Arnold's part had it's charm). It is a shame Affleck's Batman didn't get more respect.
Captain Midnight called, he wants his whole vibe back.
There are a number of reasons why I think Reeves' The Batman is easily my favorite. Just such a damn good Batman film.
All three of these were amazing. So well made. It was a pleasure to watch from start to finish. I would love Spiderman next. As for The Batman, I'm looking forward to the next one From Reeves, I just can't get over how much I hate the way the suit looks. I get why it is the why it is, I just doesn't look good.
Ben Afleck “not being a massive Batman fan” wait what? The guy literally built his own bat cave!!
I love retrospect video, you guys killed it…
I would suggest for your next one Die Hard..
Is it just me or does anyone else not remember Batfleck getting heeps of praise from viewers? I didn't like his portrayal and thought it was consensus??
he never did .general audience only like gal gadot's WW from the trinity thanks to her first movie
I've seen a fairly mixed reception
Excellent Bat-summary!!! It's the most succint and complete video I've seen, but you're giving to much credit to Reeves version, it's probably only the best sixth Batman movie I've watched (including animated)... Thanx!!!
*the Batman 2022 was just alright, I wasn’t blown away by it BUT DID ENJOY IT*
*batfleck IS STILL HOWEVER MY FAV BATMAN Of ALL TIME !!!!!!!!*
*WB and dc should’ve planned this DCEU better and communicated with snyder more if they truly wanted this to work, the casting is fine but the movies shouldn’t have been rushed also snyders DC movies should’ve had the approval of a true dc architect (similar to Kevin feige at Disney mcu) before being released*
*I ENJOY SNYDERS DC MOVIES BUT THEY GOT SOME MAJOR FLAWS in em. Mostly from how superman is portrayed and the story*
"It failed at the Box Office" ....$746.8 million, which warranted a sequel, is considered a failure.
300 million dollar budget (doesn’t include marketing) and then the general rule of thumb for these kinds of movies is you double that for marketing. So 600M which means a profit of 146.8million for a major tent pole movie. That’s not good man.
@@dylanf3108 Still not a flop.
I loved his movie , my favorite Batman movie to date
as a diehard batman film who’s read any comics i can get my hands on and has watched any batman content i can (including kids batman shows), reeves created the best batman depiction of all time. it felt as if i had seen a comic book come to life.
Pushing back at the narrators line of Ben
Not being a massive Batman fan. According to his good friend Kevin Smith Ben took the role of daredevil because that was the closest thing to being Batman because they weren’t filming anymore films back in early 2000s
Great job. This video was very informative. Next time, you should do something like Spider-man
Massive respect for Affleck.
This was fantastic!
Please so a series for Spider-Man
Good video
I'm just happy that Bob Kane no longer has an unearned monopoly over creator credits of Batman.
Calling BvS a commercial hit is a bit of half-truth. Namely, if WB expected Man of Steel to make a billion, then BvS' failure to make that mark is just as much (if not more of) a failure considering how all-in they went adding all the DC heroes. Also, I just don't see how BvS, which cost $262 million and brought in $872 million, could be considered a success while Suicide Squad cost $175 million and brought in $746 and that's a "failure."
What's that 10:58 footage from. It looks like Batfleck but I don't recognize the bike
Every time you said twists and turns, you used footage from the Joel Schumacher movies. Interesting touch.
Batman breaking collarbones to a snappy jazz hip hop track is different lol
This narrator is awesome, sounds like Raycevick
Always thought David Mazouz needs another shot at being an adult Batman. The kid really grew into that role, quite literally. I really did see him evolve and become more and more comfortable with playing Bruce Wayne and the complexity behind what would motivate and drive Batman from a collection of youthful experiences. And the same can be said for many of the cast, too.
As a batman fan, I personally don't understand the fascination with the recent antihero catwoman. I think catwoman is a really interesting character, but why force her to be a batman counterpart. The og catwoman was so much better. the bat and cat "relationship" now feels more akin to the middle relationship between harley and the joker. unnecessary melodramatic at best and toxic mismatch of people who want different things from life at worst.
the lego batman movies deserved to be here!!!!!
Loved it. Do Spider-Man next.
the narrator caught me off guard. I was expecting the usual one. Nice.
People blamed DC, but it was Warner Bros who ruined DCU. The stupid executives. They appointed Walter Hamada, good CEO, but not passionate enough and clearly has no love for the world of DC, unlike Kevin Feige who loves Marvel and everything about it.
More series like this please!!!
The Lego Batman movie needed it’s own segment lmaoo other than that awesome videos I look forward to the next how did we get here
Jumping on the opportunity to shout out the TellTale Game The Enemy Within (so the second one), my favourite Batman, or rather Bruce Wayne story.
I would love to see more of how we get here videos oh I know how about Superman movies
Yeah, there were too many absences in Batman history, ESPECIALLY the animated shows. I wish this list had been clear that it was only going to cover the movies and some of the comics, because that's all it mostly did.
Batfleck coming back for Batman beyond/ the Dark Knight returns would be the shit.
The Batman was absolute. My favorite Batman since the animated series.
The worst part of BvS was the abysmal version of Lex Luthor. Affleck was good as batman. But Luthor Zuckerberg was unforgivable in its EVERYTHING.
Joker is widely influential, critically acclaimed by fans and a commercial success. Why did his description of the Joker make it seem like it was a bad movie or just mediocre? There are literally protestors using the Joker mask as signs of protest.
Affleck won the Oscar for PRODUCING Argo, Not Directing it..
Conroy and batfleck are my 2 favorite batmen
Watching batman and Deathstroke in one movie? Together? With thriller? That's sounds pretty damn good. I would love to watch that
The relationship between the Batman/Bruce Wayne persona is the most interesting. Bruce is always a worst Batman when he is disconnected from his humanity. But being human is being vulnerable and he is too hurt to do that.
Nice.
I'd love to see a take on Spiderman or the X-Men next.
What an excellent and impartial viewing. Greta job. 👏🏼.
How early am I
Very early
Kinda
pretty early
*snyder AND WB kinda did FUCK UP, I like Snyder’s dc movies but won’t deny that it’s got flaws and Superman could’ve been portrayed WAYYY BETTER and since they were going for a cinematic universe approach it should’ve BEEN PLANNED BETTER with an overarching narrative BUT ATLEAST Zack snyder had a plan unlike WB*
Ben Affleck played a Great DareDevil and when he Played the Dark Knight Older Version Batman I was like " F**k Yeah " ! VERY VERY VERY SIMILIAR TO THE COMIC OF BATMAN RETURNS 👏
Wait, so how was Suicide Squad a financial flop again? It’s budget was less then 200 mil and it made 700. Maybe it wasn’t critically successful, but financially that’s great for a movie.
Yeah. Ayer's SS performed very well financially.
It simply didn't impress the marvel critics.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 here came the deludional Snyderslave.
@@MutantsInDisguise Snyder just won two oscars.
Nothing wrong with his work.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 oscars mean nothing anymore, except to lazy and talentless assholes.
I’d love to see this series for Superman.
I thoroughly enjoyed Pattinsons batman
Where does Lego Batman fit into this masterpiece? 😉
The Batman has rewritten batman. This is the best version.
No. The Batman has simply written Batman the way he's supposed to be.
The Nolan trilogy made him commercial.