Creoles, Kaintucks, and the Culture War of Early New Orleans (feat. The Cynical Historian)
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- For #ProjectFrance, I collaborated with @CynicalHistorian to teach y'all about the cosmopolitan cultural exchange between revolutionary France and a country called the United States of America in the late 18th and early 19th century. In this video, I discuss the contentious relationship between Anglo-Americans and French Creoles in New Orleans in the years after the Louisiana Purchase.
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~REFERENCES~
[1] Lo Faber. “Anglo-Americans” (2018). 64Parishes 64parishes.org/entry/anglo-am...
[2] Richard Campanella. Bienville’s Dilemma: A Historical Geography of New Orleans (2008). University of Louisiana at Lafayette, Page 170-171
[3] Peter J. Kastor. “Louisiana Purchase and Territorial Period” (2018). 64Parishes 64parishes.org/entry/louisian...
[4] Daniel Rasmussen. American Uprising: The Untold Story of America’s Largest Slave Revolt (2011). Harper Perennial, Page 16
[5] Kimberly S. Hanger. Bounded Lives, Bounded Places: Free Black Society in Colonial New Orleans, 1769-1803 (1997). Duke University Press, Page 54-56
[6] Mary Gehman. The Free People of Color of New Orleans (2009). Sheridan Books, Page 49-51
[7] Rasmussen, Page 159-163
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We are a secret cabal of HistoryTubers, and we rule the internet!
As a humble citizen of the internet, could I petition you to, like... do a better job of ruling, maybe? Please?
I always knew Atun-Shei was a member of the deep state!
Yes my lord.
History talking heads quake at the secret power of the History Tubers' cabal.
I wish!
As a member of the famous, successful and staggeringly wealthy history youtubers group, I can attest that his description of our slack group is 100% accurate.
Your channel seems interestng. Later ok I’ll watch something
Sounds like a first estate to me
This is gonna be the start of some judeo-historian conspiracy
@@matteoiounotchkine3918 I hope you enjoy it Matteo!
I have a strange feeling that the other part with the group chat where they talk shit about our stupid comments is also 100% accurate
And thus the phrase “uncultured swine” was born.
"No one ever gets offended about Tanks!"
Don't say anything against any mid 40s german tank or the wehraboos will have your head.
You are brave and I pray the Wehraboos do not find this comment.
Keep your voice down! They’re everywhere...
If the big cats were as good as the wehraboos think they were, we'd be typing in German.
Lol transmission goes brrrrr
I think it's a subtle reference to the comment section of his last video about General Sherman. A few of us had a rather heated debate about the Sherman tank.
"No one gets offended by tanks"
Well... I beg to differ.
(Mains PzIV)
yeah, but those who do don´t have the ear of the power structure in Washington
I feel personally attacked!
"Hannibal and tanks" Was that some kind of Lindybeige reference?
I think that’s the joke
Andy: "Ultimately, people are more divided by class than nationality."
.
Marx: "Nice!"
Yeah, internationalism really worked out great.
@@juankenon This, but unironically.
@@selftaughtinfection Internationalization of labor and goods has ironically only strengthened a rootless oligarchic elite who are now basically accountable to no one national body and can easily move country as a base of operation as easily as they can move their bank account.
On top of that, these same elite weaken labor rights of native citizens through encouraging the flooding of labor markets with undocumented citizens who they can pay for less and, often, have a language barrier with the nation in which they now reside.
Ca existe encore le parti socialiste?
@@Wewwers That's just late stage capitalism for you. Lenin predicted all this before it happened. You're not wrong, but internationalism, in the sense of labor solidarity and working against the capitalist class at home rather than against other nations peoples is what will bring meaningful change. Not that I'm saying you don't agree or what not.
“John Browns Body” slaps though
The Shameless Kid HIS SOUL IS MARCHING ON
@@hkat321 GLORY, GLORY HALLELUJAH
This is the only channel that I actually get excited about when there’s a new post. Love the content Andy!
Same!
Same!!
Simp!!!
@@cowyeti21 absolutely
Cowyeti manbun!
its time for a non-famous,unsuccessful and staggeringly poor history UA-camrs fan group, that gets together purely to make fun of our favorite history youtubers.
That's a great idea.
Dear God, two of them
I'm in.................
hell yeah I'll start our bro needs to do some pullups if he's gonna go sleeveless
This channel just got even better.
After you mentioned the Spanish population of New Orleans, I thought to myself:
"Uh. I knew New Orleans was under Spanish domain for a time, but I don't know for how long. Probably not much, since its influence on the region is rarely mentioned upon. Maybe 5, or even 10 years. Nah, that sounds too much. Let's google it and see how..."
*40 years*
"... What the hell?!"
It's just me, or the Spanish influence on the wider world, and specially in the US and the American continent, rarely gets talked upon? I mean, I have seen a lot of international movies and other type of informative and entertainment works about the historical influence of Italy, France, England and even Germany on the wider world. But about Spain?
A lot of academic works, sure. But that's with any country. It's just that for some reason, revolutionary France, medieval England, Renassaince Italy, and such, seem to lure a lot of people interested on the history of these eras and places, or simply see a romantic appeal in them. But Spain? Barely.
Heck. Even movies about the Golden Age of Piracy on the Spanish Caribbean... are all about English pirates... fighting the English Navy. Again, on the Spanish Caribbean, who controled all of the area, except for a handful of ports and small islands under English and French domain.
I wonder why is that.
If I had to guess, "traditional" history likes to talk about wars, and colonial America just didn't interact with Spain that much in that kind of way. Americans learn about the French & Indian War, French intervention in the Revolutionary War, maybe vaguely about the War of 1812 & the Napoleonic Wars happening at the same time. But Spanish Florida was signed over bloodlessly with a treaty to Britain. Later conflicts & treaties in Texas & the West were with an independent Mexico, not Spain. It's not until the Spanish-American War that American history intersects with the Spanish one - and that is easily forgotten since Cuba had pseudo-independence, and the Philippines were given independence post-WW2.
As a fun fact, during the American Revolutionary War, Spain entered the fight against Britain but largely in other theatres. Over in New Granada (modern Colombia), taxes were raised to help pay for a war... unhappy citizenry established an alliance to protest these taxes and rose in revolt against an understaffed colonial administration. Hmm, sounds familiar! (They succeeded in getting a worthless slip of paper signed agreeing to all their demands, and after rallying an army, this agreement was quickly rescinded and the protests scattered.)
First, Spain’s political “control” of large parts of North America often corresponded to relatively little control on the ground. Yes Spain received Louisiana from France for a few decades, but how many Spaniards actually colonized the area? Secondly, this situation was exaggerated in US civics for a long time to support the “empty continent” idea that sought to absolve US colonialism.
If you'd have gone to school in Florida then you'd know that is not the case here. We are well aware of our Spanish heritage. Even the *CURRENT* map of Florida was drawn by the Spanish. Except for Louisiana (parishes) we have the largest physical county sizes East of the Mississippi River. That's because all 67 counties were land-grants from the Spanish king given to reward loyal subjects. Think of being given a chunk of land that large today! Tell me things were not better in the proverbial _'good old days!'_
I’m so glad I found someone else who has that pet peeve regarding portrayal of pirates in American movies. It wasn’t until the last movie we got a goddamn Spanish crew, and even then they were soldiers.
I don't know about the USA but in Colombia Spain is notably absent in the European history that is taught to us. We talk about Columbus but Spain for us is just studied as our colonial overlord (the official history empashized a couple of conquistadors who were important in the territory of what now is Colombia, the slave trade and the wars of independence). Many of us don't learn about tercios or that the spanish held the Philippines as part of their domain, even events like the spanish civil war are just beggining to gain attention in mainstream colombian historical discourse. I have a theory of why does it happen:
First, Spain was for many centuries the biggest enemy of protestantism and an existential threat to both England and the United Provinces so it didn't make sense to portrait Spain as the "good guy" (which they weren't but in the case of Spain is curious how an empire that covered parts of Asia, most of America and not only the Iberian Peninsula but also parts of modern Italy, Germany and Belgium is reduced to the antichrist and popist threat across the sea).
Secondly, France, although catholic, resented the Spanish hegemony over the Continent (which France regarded as an affront to her since the french consider their kingdom "the first daughter of the Catholic church"). So it made sensefor them also to push a bad narrative of the spaniards or to downplay their importance.
Third, the economical, political and religious project of the Spanish Empire ended in total failure. England's ideas of free trade and industry triumphed over its competing modern project. The defeat of their economical and political systems garanteed that their ideas would be likely forgotten or regarded as a failure in contrast to the political and economical ideas of the British Empire and later the US.
Finally, Spain is forgotten in maistream historical narratives because Spain certainly has been in the wrong side of history in many crucial moments, especially since the revolutionary period of the XVIII century. e.g. Spain mantained absolutism until it had to concede a Constitutional Monarchy, fascism won in Spain and the spanish supported the nazis, Franco's endorsment of spanish historical pride affected how spanish patriotism and historical pride were seen by Franco's opponents in Spain and left wing thinkers and politicians in Latin-America. The idea of being proud to be spanish was linked to being trad cat or even a supporter of authoritarian ideas. Spanish pride was weaponized against catalonians and basques who wanted independence and prohispanic politicians in Latin America justified or condoned many military dictatorships all over the continent under the idea that liberal democracy was a foreign and anglo-saxon idea alien to hispanic sensibilities and thus a political system that was undesirable for the Spanish America and Spain which meant endorsing authoritarism with a distinct trad cat flavour.
The irony of the anti-Black insurrection laws in Louisiana is that they made more dangerous Black insurrections more likely by restricting the mobility of Black people. That’s the paradox, freer people are a lower insurrection risk and a risk of less dangerous insurrections.
“We laugh at you” yeah this is project France
Union Dixie is better FIGHT ME! Also good video I'll admit I don't know a lot about New Orleans outside the stereotypical stuff, this was great. Please tell me French Man will return, he was wonderfully ridiculous.
Are you talking about the song or like, just southerners who refused to secede?
@@537monster The song yes. It doesn't have an official name, its just usually known as Union Dixie, specifically the Tennessee Ernie Ford version done in the 1960s.
He should be named Le Frenchman
@@CynicalHistorian He perpetually needs wine, a frog, a De Gaul hat, and spits in the direction of England every ten minutes.
@@LadyTylerBioRodriguez Except that his character was Créole, not French. A gentleman must learn the difference.
You probably get this a lot (I hope)
We would definitely disagree with a lot of things politically and about the civil war, but you are probably my favorite historical/sketch UA-camr.
YOU have helped me change a lot of my opinions and perspectives on the civil war, and I understand a lot more historically about what happened. The non-confrontational way you present your serious videos makes that possible, but your 'Checkmate Linconites' videos also show the more lighthearted side. The amount of growth you have seen is quite honestly amazing, and while it is sad for me to see my hidden gem channel become so public, you absolutely deserve it.
THIS is the reason why educational content like this is so important. It tends to be difficult to unlearn re-established misconceptions unless you expose yourself to other viewpoints
That outro rant is everything
You need to come to St. Louis one day. There’s so much history here that gets ignored. ESPECIALLY Civil War history.
The entire state of Missouri was an absolute war zone, and probably Lincoln’s worst nightmare (and probably Jefferson Davis’s as well) for how the war might have gone then on.
Maybe he should deputize us as Assistant Witchfinder Generals to do local history vids. :-p
@@texasyojimbo Ahem... the correct rank would be Witchfinder Sargeants. At least, it is according to _Good Omens: The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, Witch_ by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett. 😉
"Nobody gets offended by tanks" - clearly you haven't been in the presence of Wehraboos when stating facts about how axis tanks were unrelaible, underpowered, and overly complex
#hellcatgang
God help him if he ever talks about the Planes of WWll
You ever see Quintin Reviews vid about History Channel nazis docs? Covers the phenomenon well.
but muh nazi superweapon that is just a really really really big gun that can't do anything
Indeed...
...and that the Somua S35 is an inherently superior tank to the Pz 3...
...and that the British and French armies in 1940 were significantly more mechanized and more committed to offensive action by tank forces than the German army...
Etc.
Etc.
2:52 a lesser youtuber would have cut that sneeze....
and a better youtuber would also have cut that sneeze
Take shot for each sneeze!
I like the sneeze, make it feel authenthic.
Heh. I was scrolling through the comments will listening and saw this comment 1 and 15/28ths of a seconds after the sneeze. #timely
The lil flail with the first sneeze 💜
Regular UA-camrs sneeze into their hanky. Wealthy UA-camrs sneeze onto nearby grieving families.
"servile insurrection" is quite the euphemism
What 2 weeks ago
@@thathistoryiscoolguy I'm a wizard
@@samuellubell4557 are you a patron
@@thathistoryiscoolguy maybe...
@@samuellubell4557 we will never know
I'm from destrehan and I'm not thrilled about my hometown being named after that guy
It's a name... And if he was anti- American expansionism so much the Better
Yo that credits walk was superb. Atun-Shei is real AF
I love that the sneezes weren't edited out. Legitimately funny moments.
I've never found quality and consistent content about the history of New Orleans and Southeast Louisiana on youtube until I randomly ran across this channel. As New Orleans local and fellow history fanatic, thank you.
I showed up for the history but stayed for the gun show.
i just commented to have be shit talked by our lord and saviour historytubers
also this is probably my favourite youtube channel now. probably the best mix of humour and education on here
You are doing our current and future generations a great service. Keep speaking that truth Andy!
Thanks for the accurate history. As a former resident of Norco La. And St Rose , I ve often walked the levee next to Destrehan and Ormond Plantations. The point you made about the 1811 revolt as a mini attempt to what happened in Hait seemed to excape me until now. Makes sense. And I can tell you the political corruption still thrives high in St Charlesi Parish.
Keep up the good work Andy! You’re one of the best channels out there!
This is the greatest outro ever,good job Andy and nice one to the patreons
You've got to be on of the best history channels on UA-cam. You tell the history while making it fun and interesting to learn. Keep it up you are great!
This a great collaboration between 2 of my favorite youtubers!
I want to thank you. I discovered your channel in early 2020 and by consequence, discovered many other history channels. This has led me to reconsider many of my strongly held beliefs and learn things that have fundamentally changed how I think about the world. I'm still learning and I look forward to your future uploads with great enthusiasm. Again, thank you for what you do.
Your hair looks stellar.
A crossover of two of my favorite channels 😍😍😍
Honestly love this channel, excellent find and certainly exploded recently. Well done old boy!
I would watch the hell out of a series on the Haitian Revolution.
Tanks a lot for this great post!
The History Illuminati! Yes! Is that a new character at 5:08 that we'll be seeing more of?
Informative as always, thanks man!
Union Dixie (imo) is the greatest parody song of all time
I Love those project history videos they really introduced me to many UA-camrs I now regularly watch let's see how many will now catch my interest this time around
this was awesome as always your videos are great
We French love freedom so much that we have abolished slavery... Twice. It's partly because we reintroduced it that Haiti rebelled.
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that I really like your videos (even if the accents make it a bit difficult to understand them sometimes ^^).
Thanks
dude yor great, love the humor, perspective and effort!!
Accurate description of the chat
Been learning French for a few years now and I love the video and will definitely check out cipher’s video as well!
Gesundheit! Thank you A.S.
As informative as ever!
Cheers from Maine keep up the great work.
I was playing War of Rights with the 42nd PA bucktails, and we got charged by some Rebels. Funny enough, I heard one shout "Checkmate Lincolnites!" You are very well known in the game community.
Good stuff! Thank you for the lecture and entertainment
I am late with this comment but I wanted to say I really enjoyed it. I was reminded of my late grandmother, a career teacher of French creole descent. She often refered to families in New Orleans as being Creole or American, with an almost imperceptible tone of contempt for the latter. Ironically, she married an American, my grandfather, whom I never met as he died before I was born. His family were successful businessmen who came in during the reconstruction years and likely were the embodiment of carpetbaggers. I think maybe her view of "Americans" might have been tainted by her relationship with my grandfather, which I am told was sometimes abusive.
Ah, living history. I love the way you present it. Thanks!
Another great video!
Love that this channel got a shoutout from in range tv!!! Would love to see a colab with Andy’s wit and Karl’s sarcasm
Thee finest channel on youtube i daresay. Thank you good sir! Love the ending😂😂
I much enjoy your Louisiana videos. Reminds me of Dr Who’s backdrops, which I LOVE.
Good work there, Atun!👍👍👍
Micro-history is way more interesting and you are cornering the market.
Going to watch later, just showing some love for the algorithm!
I'm a Californian that loves NOLA and history and I love your channel! Keep up the great work!
You had me at your Tuco & Blondie comment on The Cynical Historian's Project France video. So here I am. :)
I love watching your videos on Louisiana history! I've always found it odd that there isn't more coverage of our history from the internet, it's so full of quirky weirdness I would assume it would make some pretty good click-bait
Fellow New Orleanian here, gotta say I love your content!
Another great video
As someone who plays war thunder a lot you're wrong, people will 100% get offended over tanks.
Would be cool to see you do a video on the oft-forgotten Isleños in Louisiana, would be nice to see more attention brought to one of the lesser-known cultural groups in SE Louisiana. I actually know a SELU professor who wrote a book & did a documentary about the community in St. Bernard.
Excellent thank you very much , learned a lot
FINALLY!!!! A colab with Cypher!!!
I've heard New Orleans is in for some rough times with the hurricanes blowing through. Hope you stay safe.
_Sees "InRangeTV" on the Patreon supporters list_
Carl? Ian? They support you, huh...nice.
*Karl, and InRangeTV is who brought me here.
They need to do a civil rights history collab
I always love your sarcasm 😂 definitely checking out cynical historian after this
Hack away! If every channel would focus on military history, history as a field would be that much poorer. I appreciate the insights you give into so many aspects of more or less glazed over historical events.
The rant at the end earns this video a like.
I'm watching the playlist now! I notice there's 8 videos. I thought there were going to be more?
Even as a Union man all the way, I will agree that southern music is great. "Oh Susanna" is an amazing song, along with "Dixie", when played with the right instruments.
Now I know it's been a year, but as a neo-abolitionist I gotta admit, The Bonnie Blue Flag does kinda slap.
Bless you!
"Nobody gets offended by tanks", what about the Sherman, not to mention the Lee, Grant and Stuart.
I love this channel sm already 😂
That was an awesome end of video rant.
If collaborations are on the table, Who else wants see Atun-Shei Films and ColdCrash Pictures work together? I have no idea what it would be about, or if either evens knows about the other's existence, but i'm going to try and get this ball rolling.
god, that ending bit got me good
Dude, are you well? Worried about that cough. Love the post. I have a great uncle buried somewhere in that cemetery.
That walk away commentary was GOLD!!! HAHAHA
Good, job. Nice video
Oh my god thanks bro I'm doing a test on this right now bro.
Saw that INRANGETV is a patreon. Very cool!
I've never heard of Kaintucks. I'd love to hear a lot more on that. The river directly behind my house was used to take flat bottoms down to Nola and it's in KY. I knew that KY had some ties to Nola but I'd love to hear all the history of the 2 together.
Love your shirt! I haven't used a cane knife in 20 years! 😂
You should make more videos about the Revolutionary War and the War Of 1812
2:53 I was looking away at that moment and you scared the shit out of me
I saw that thumbnail and new I was in for a good one
omg i love the pollen sneezes, vv relatable new orleans content.
Love seeing my city history being told :)
Loved seeing this side of New Orleans history.
Dude... you’re awesome.
I just returned from New Orleans a good few weeks ago. Beautiful city (a small part of me was hoping to just miraculously run into you) We toured almost the entire state too, going to three different plantations (which was my favorite part). The state has a very rich history and I found the divide between the Creoles and the Americans the most interesting part.
this reminds me of the newish tv show Warrior on cinemax/HBO/Crave. it shows the different racial mix of san Francisco in 19th century but mostly its about kungfu. it has really top notch fight scenes
Oh, you've joined in on the semi-regular topic coordination of so many history youtubers. Cool.
Great stuff Mes ami
Yes! I Love when you Do New Orleans History Topics, especially Creoles, it's funny, just 3 days earlier I had made a Similar Video with "Kaintuck" Content.
I suppose the Weather must be Making Orleanians think of Early NOLA History Mon Dieu
Fantastic job mon ami
You have the Advantage as your actually Living in New Orleans, while moi is Breathing Smoke in the Fire infested state of California
Please mon Ami, never Cease your Passion for Nouvelle Orleans⚜🎩🇨🇵
Bless you laddie!
Love the self loathing at the end! 😆
Barbara Hambly's book about Benjamin January, "a free man of color" are entertaining and deals a lot with New Orleans' history, and some of the differences between the groups.