Can SA-10, SA-12, SA-15, SA-19, Gepard Or Patriot Beat Iskander Hypersonic Missiles? | DCS

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  • We simulate to test whether Ukrainian S-300PS, S-300V, SA-15, SA-19 or US Patriot or German Gepard missile defense systems can defend against Russia's Hypersonic Ballistic Iskander missile launchers.
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  • @grimreapers
    @grimreapers  Рік тому +15

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    • @PagsPayback
      @PagsPayback Рік тому +1

      Hi the small holes in the PAC-3 MSE are Attitude control motors. Essentially tiny solid rocket motors that fire hundrets times per second in the final approach to guarantee a hit.

    • @alexandrebelinge8996
      @alexandrebelinge8996 Рік тому +1

      I enjoy these sims a lot :)

    • @nephildevil
      @nephildevil 3 місяці тому

      LOVE HOW you can basically simulate World War III and then just fly ur jet around and shoot at targets
      of opportunity in the carnage , but still new to dcs, I downloaded the mod files, what do I do with them? dump in a mod folder and that's it or is it more complicated?

  • @jorehir
    @jorehir Рік тому +50

    49:35
    No Cap, those are the lateral thrusters the missile uses to improve interception. They're like little rocket motors.
    That's what enables the hit-to-kill capability.
    The European Aster has something similar, integrated in the fins ("PIF" system).
    It's a pity that such things aren't modeled, because they're key technologies for those missiles. That's what makes them really good IRL.

  • @ZeGamingPC
    @ZeGamingPC Рік тому +20

    49:40 IIRC the holes are small impulse rocket motors/jets (or w/e their actual name is) that are used for higher accuracy during terminal guidance.

  • @saladiniv7968
    @saladiniv7968 Рік тому +58

    at least the newer version of the örlikon 35mm use programmable time fused projectiles. meaning each projectile will get programed with a time so it will detonate shortly before it reaches the target. the projectiles themselves don't actually contain a lot of explosives, just enough to break it apart. most of the room in the projectiles is taken up with shrapnel that will then spread into a cone moving towards the target. meaning they don't actually have to hit the target, just get close enough to it.

    • @stupidburp
      @stupidburp Рік тому +9

      Hypersonic missiles are also more vulnerable to shrapnel because of the relative velocity when impacting bits in their flight path.

    • @saladiniv7968
      @saladiniv7968 Рік тому +6

      @@stupidburp good point, but i'm not sure it would have helped with them, since it didn't manage to fire at them. i was thinking more like the cruise missiles. specifically sice cap said he'd seen missiles fly between the bullets.

    • @Zakatak-mf4iq
      @Zakatak-mf4iq Рік тому

      I was gonna say, I thought they should've been able to handle a Kalibr. Wasn't there a video of one doing this exact thing successfully in Ukraine some time ago?

    • @SergeiSugaroverdoseShuykov
      @SergeiSugaroverdoseShuykov Рік тому

      @@Zakatak-mf4iq kalibr is a low velocity cruise missile, if your placement on their trajectory is good, you can smash them even with shilkas.

    • @SergeiSugaroverdoseShuykov
      @SergeiSugaroverdoseShuykov Рік тому +1

      @@stupidburp that's why hypersonic missiles are built with anti-aa maneuvers, because flying in straight line even if you have speed superiority will almost guarantee interception. Basically DCS does not have any advanced missile simulation at all, even quite old rockets like onyx are flying here in a straight line, while they were built to constantly maneuver and dynamically choose targets in hive-like manner at low altitudes.

  • @steveturner3999
    @steveturner3999 Рік тому +5

    Very entertaining Cap! Thanks for all you do to give us great videos.

  • @keithcoleman5799
    @keithcoleman5799 Рік тому +5

    To address the question regarding what are referred to at approximately 49:37 as "perforations" are Attitude Control Motors (ACMs), rather than sensors. ACMs are actually small solid rocket motors, 180 of which are mounted in the missile forebody. Pulsed firing of the ACMs enable fine adjustments in the missile's trajectory, controlled by the missile seeker & guidance system, providing an exceptionally high degree of accuracy in the PAC-3 & PAC-3 MSE.

  • @ghoffmann821
    @ghoffmann821 Рік тому +19

    This is the most relevant test to date. Excellent work, gents.

    • @fqeagles21
      @fqeagles21 Рік тому +1

      Now i want One with a SM 3 Block 2

    • @hipser
      @hipser Рік тому +1

      didn't the pac3 intercept an iskander for the first time a couple days ago?

  • @javiermoya2801
    @javiermoya2801 Рік тому +26

    As far as hypersonic, kind of a really niche weapon set that as mentioned in the video need to fit into a doctrine. Also hypersonic weapons tend to be exorbitantly expensive compared to their super and sub sonic counterparts. Certain velocities force you to remember the laws of physics and atmospheric conditions have a say in weapon efficacy.

    • @sweettrav20
      @sweettrav20 Рік тому +2

      They also don’t understand what a hypersonic missile is. They claim Iskander-M is a hypersonic missile. It’s not. They also claim US has no hypersonic missiles. We do.
      US minutemen missiles go 20,000+ mph. To be considered a hypersonic missile in the modern age, you have to go Mach 5+ and have the ability to maneuver around to avoid radar and air defenses. Iskander-M can not do that. Neither can the “Kinzhal”, which is just an air launched Iskander.
      US has tested numerous hypersonic missiles. Air launched missiles, cruise missiles and of course ballistic. The us hypersonic cruise missile is about to go into production.
      China might be the only country with an active hypersonic missile. We say maybe, because haven’t seen footage of it working.

    • @bsb1975
      @bsb1975 7 місяців тому

      ​@@sweettrav20Ballistic missiles are fast, but their paths are predictable. This makes it a little easier to shoot down true ballistic missiles. The kicker with these hypersonic missiles is their ability to fly evasive courses. Makes intercepting them much more difficult.

    • @rileymorrisroe6743
      @rileymorrisroe6743 4 місяці тому

      ​@@sweettrav20​ No, Iskander-M is hypersonic, how whethers hypersonic or high-hypersonic in its terminal phase will depend on whether its still boosting.
      No hypersonic is a speed threshold, its doesnt encompass speed, guidance and maneuverability.
      So yes, Iskander-M is a hypersonic, and even with your pseudo definition of it, its still classed as a hypersonic.
      What they meant when they said the US has no hypersonics, is that they have no tactical/battlefield hypersonic missiles like the Iskander-M, Kinzhal, Zircon etc etc.
      But yes, they have some about to go into production for example the LRHW.
      China isnt, there are many nations.

    • @sweettrav20
      @sweettrav20 4 місяці тому

      @@rileymorrisroe6743 not in a modern sense. It’s just a ballistic missile that happens to go hypersonic. But it’s not a hypersonic missile. Let me explain.
      The German V-2 was also hypersonic, but that is a hypersonic weapon. It travels in a ballistic trajectory. To be classified as a hypersonic missile, it needs to travel hypersonic while having maneuverability and fly in an unpredictable flight path. The reason Patriot is shooting down Islanders and Kinzhals is because they travel in a predictable ballistic trajectory.
      Even China says Russia doesn’t have true hypersonic missiles.

    • @rileymorrisroe6743
      @rileymorrisroe6743 4 місяці тому

      @@sweettrav20 So its a ballistic missile that happens to got hypersonic....in other words a hypersonic missile, no need to sugar coat it😂

  • @virginccyy7645
    @virginccyy7645 Рік тому +4

    Grim Reapers, I just wanted to thank you for all the hard work you guys put it, and I like interactions between you guys and gal!

  • @28boudreaux
    @28boudreaux Рік тому

    Great content as usual!!!!

  • @zahnatom
    @zahnatom Рік тому +2

    CH at it again, making top quality mods :)

  • @hmmjedi
    @hmmjedi Рік тому +5

    One issue missing here is that all of these missile systems would be part of an Integrated Air Defence system with other radars awacs etc to aid in aiming... as to the guns they are there to make the ground pounders feel good at taking out helo's etc... but as to taking out a SRBM well 2 hopes and Bob's off playing golf... also the Kinshal missile is basically an Iskander launched from a Mig-31 which explains why it has better speed as it's launched as fast a the Mig can go with the missile slung underneath also for the Iskander/Kinshal it carries decoys in the base of the missile round the rocket motor to aid penetration into the target area. But an excellent video showing how it would operate alone... ( I spend too long reading books Janes Defence books in the 90's amongst other defence journals.. and now I just basically keep up with what is going on out there)...

  • @haukehildebrandt1354
    @haukehildebrandt1354 Рік тому +7

    Another great video GR, entertaining and informative at the same time! And I definitively have to learn the mission editor to play around with this kinda stuff! Btw, what about the IRIS-T, would that have been another interesting candidate?

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому +2

      I thought about it but we don't have the version that's in Ukraine, so I thought I best not.

  • @sulyokpeter3941
    @sulyokpeter3941 Рік тому +11

    Excellent work by CH! If you need an excellent SHORAD the Sky Sabre is not that bad for it. Short range, fast rate of fire, and the CAMM missiles can pull high Gs easily. Its like an Aster 15 missile but better. And the track/search radar is mounted higher up like 50-60 feet. Its a very good SAM site and it has a sea variant to it, this will be fitted in the Type 45 Destroyers later on. It will replace the Aster 15 missiles.

  • @Marco-cg7fb
    @Marco-cg7fb Рік тому +7

    Fucking love this ch guy, propper champ throwing out models like it’s nothing

  • @Axgoodofdunemaul
    @Axgoodofdunemaul Рік тому +1

    Glad to hear that Cap is feeling better.

  • @Anarchy_420
    @Anarchy_420 Рік тому +6

    CH air defense wish list-- Avenger Air Defense System, Irish Thor, Rheinmetal Skynex, C-Ram, Stryker A1 IM-Shorad, Hypersonic Blitzer Cannon, Stryker DE M-Shorad, THAAD, and Aegis Ashore!🙏👍

  • @Sinista123
    @Sinista123 Рік тому +2

    It's amazing that the old Gepards from the 70's can locate these missiles so quickly.
    The weapons are outdated but it's still a good mobile radar system.

  • @idle_betazoid1990
    @idle_betazoid1990 Рік тому +1

    Great!

  • @mcelravys
    @mcelravys Рік тому +1

    The US experimented with hypersonics in the 50’s and 60’s. If I’m not mistaken the Islkander ballistic missiles are a violation of the SRBM treaty that got rid of the Pershing II systems in the ‘90’s.

  • @miauwgabriel3547
    @miauwgabriel3547 Рік тому +7

    Iskander has finally came.

  • @Vsor
    @Vsor Рік тому +3

    49:50 i believe those are a bunch of 1 time use attitude control motors

  • @pahtar7189
    @pahtar7189 Рік тому +4

    I'm sure they would have systems all around the area to be defended. They don't know what direction the attack will come from, and any target will likely be in a good position for one of the launch sites.

  • @intillex1
    @intillex1 Рік тому

    The little holes you were looking at are lateral maneuvering thrusters. Like little rocket engines that allow it to change course off-power and in thin atmosphere when the control surfaces are near worthless. It's a big part of the reason it's able to hit-to-kill.

  • @voradfils
    @voradfils Рік тому +5

    S-300 ain't gonna find low flying stuff without the Clamshell yo (or whatever the updated code name is). They put that thing on a mast for a reason.

    • @voradfils
      @voradfils Рік тому

      In addition, I think there may actually have been a mix of core game S-300 units and mods which could have caused them to not work that well together.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому

      I tried to stick to core-game only for the S-300, hopefully I didn't mess it up.

  • @Nimmermaer
    @Nimmermaer Рік тому +8

    There is a video of the Gepard shooting down a Russian cruise missile, so they are certainly able to down them in real life (of course we don't know the kill ratio). The version Ukraine got is the improved 1A2 version though.

    • @marshalljulie3676
      @marshalljulie3676 Рік тому +1

      They can't intercept it even after the attack a few weeks ago they came out and said they can't intercept it. But you have to factor in that humans have a limit to how fast they can react and respond to an unknown threat.

    • @Nimmermaer
      @Nimmermaer Рік тому +2

      @@marshalljulie3676 I talked about something like Iskander K or Kalibr, not Iskander M. If you have watched the video, you should know that these are totally different missiles.
      Plenty of cruise missiles (not Iskander-M!) have been shot down in Ukraine.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому

      I saw the vid but I think it was actually shooting at a drone.

    • @Nimmermaer
      @Nimmermaer Рік тому +2

      @@grimreapers I am no expert, but more knowledgeable people like Ukraine Weapons Tracker seem to think it's a cruise missile based on speed and size of the explosion. Shaheds are awfully slow.

  • @ChiefsFireman
    @ChiefsFireman Рік тому +2

    Really curious to see if you guys are able to model the Integrated Battle Command System (IBCS) that will be the primary system starting this year that the US Military and its allies use to combat missile/weapon threats. The fact it can utilize radar from any allied asset and compute an intercept is insane.

  • @gunzelloharris3348
    @gunzelloharris3348 Рік тому +1

    Nice 1 ;)

  • @AbuBakr-gm6bf
    @AbuBakr-gm6bf Рік тому +4

    Waiting for S500 Promtheus 😎

  • @jackwells2924
    @jackwells2924 Рік тому +4

    It reminds you of the kinzal because that’s just an air lunched ballistic missile

    • @jjkrayenhagen
      @jjkrayenhagen Рік тому

      Isn't Kinzal just the warhead from Iskander? Like literally just remove booster and attach to Mig-31.

    • @jackwells2924
      @jackwells2924 Рік тому

      @@jjkrayenhagen yes basically

  • @deepat
    @deepat Рік тому +1

    Just signed onto patreon Cap, thanks for free viewing to date! Valued provider.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому

      Thanks a lot! Keeps me in business.

  • @anthonyb5279
    @anthonyb5279 Рік тому +2

    The guy that designed the Patriot also designed the guidance system for the Apollo moon shots.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому +3

      I get the feeling he may be smart.

  • @SGUSOMUSA
    @SGUSOMUSA Рік тому +2

    Simulate deploying short, medium and long rand NATO air defense systems together vs a complex attack made up of shahed drones, commercial drones, cruise missiles and +/- ballistic missiles. Maybe mix up land and sea-launched missiles of differenent varieties. Program some target deconfliction if you can(don’t have long range air systems(patriot) take on shahed drones, for example). That would be cool. Nice work cap and other dude. -Viewington

  • @bossdog1480
    @bossdog1480 Рік тому +1

    There was a big problem in the Falklands of the ships blinding each other's radar because of close proximity in the bay.

  • @robertberner65
    @robertberner65 Рік тому +1

    Those holes on the missile look like maneuvering rockets exhaust ports (similar to the Dragon GATM).

  • @winstonsmith8441
    @winstonsmith8441 Рік тому +1

    Could literally hear Cap rubbing his hands together in glee.

  • @muskrathonmml3070
    @muskrathonmml3070 Рік тому +1

    Now we need the THAAD system in DCS!

  • @jdickson1234
    @jdickson1234 Рік тому +1

    Just started but cool. Take out hypersonics! Thanks CH

  • @honza1988.
    @honza1988. Рік тому

    I would like to see the RBS70 NG in a sam system. I really do enjoy these systems testing videos🎉

  • @hipser
    @hipser Рік тому +3

    Ok, This just happened for the first time IRL with the PAC3 and Iskander, yes?

  • @seansauber3794
    @seansauber3794 Рік тому

    I believe the "holes" you are referencing in this video with the PATRIOT pac3 interceptors are the reaction control system ports.

  • @mcelravys
    @mcelravys Рік тому

    CH is an awesome modder. I’ve been using mine to blow up the Bellagio and the Luxor on the Vegas map.

  • @timallison8560
    @timallison8560 Рік тому +2

    i would think sam placement is entirely dependent on how valuable the target is to you. if its extremely valuable you place four batteries around the city, not so valuable one battery closest to what you're protecting yet in line with the direction of your threat.

  • @richardtibbetts
    @richardtibbetts Рік тому +1

    You joke about putting them on the roof of a tall building, but ISTR during the 2012 Olyimpics in London units *were* put on the roof of residential tower blocks near the Olympic park in Stratford. So might be worth a try (though some of these look pretty heavy!!)

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому

      Amazing idea! Do we have any pics from 2012?

    • @LondonSteveLee
      @LondonSteveLee Рік тому

      @@grimreapers They were Rapier installations on the rooftops.

  • @jdickson1234
    @jdickson1234 Рік тому +1

    The model is awesome! Eyeliner lol.

  • @SonnyKnutson
    @SonnyKnutson Рік тому

    @Grim Reapers
    I would have liked to see the S300 and the one after positioned at the target (maybe slightly above or below but very near the target) aswell. You did that in the start but then stopped.

  • @johnwilson2338
    @johnwilson2338 Рік тому

    🤔 I was wondering if you had AWACS in place to give earlier notification?

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому

      In game these SAMs are not linked to the AWACS.

  • @patricktho6546
    @patricktho6546 Рік тому +1

    9:42 also bc the search radar lacks the elevation to see it

  • @krisspradlin715
    @krisspradlin715 Рік тому

    The phallanx? System is a rotary Cannon with all axis, counter system would be two barell cannon with adjustable convergence?

  • @philswede
    @philswede Рік тому +1

    Greetings from Sweden!

  • @acheroncyc
    @acheroncyc Рік тому

    Just a heads up, the Iskander cruise missile isn't a Kalibr. Its made by a difference manufacturer.

  • @j4s0n39
    @j4s0n39 Рік тому +4

    The SA-10, at least in game, requires a clamshell radar to be able to find targets that low.

  • @user-nn9jx2oo1z
    @user-nn9jx2oo1z 6 місяців тому

    where did you download this mod iskander, i didn't find anything

  • @stupidburp
    @stupidburp Рік тому +2

    Despite all the hate that Patriot gets on the internet, it still is doing well in this simulation and in real life. Not perfect, but intercepts most incoming threats. That is a heck of a lot more than the none intercepted by many of the old Soviet systems.

    • @stupidburp
      @stupidburp Рік тому

      I am curious how well the Polish system of Patriots armed with SkyCeptors will do. Much cheaper missiles than PAC-3MSE but are they still good enough to do the job? Probably yes for aircraft at least but don’t know for missile targets.
      Also curious about how well the German MEADS would perform.

    • @stupidburp
      @stupidburp Рік тому

      MEADS has fancy specifications but is expensive. Is it worth it?

  • @amadoufall3559
    @amadoufall3559 Рік тому +1

    Currenthill should work for eagle dynamic. So at least ground asset can get some attention. we're tired of dealing with some carboard cut slow motion infantry

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому

      The only reason he can make these cool modern systems is that he is an independent TBH.

  • @a24396
    @a24396 Рік тому +1

    Love to see what C-RAM could/would do...

  • @Mariner311
    @Mariner311 Рік тому +1

    FUN - my Dad was an Electrical Engineer who worked a LOT of the MATHS on this stuff in the 70s - he could never tell me specifics, but it was a lot of Phased Array stuff, terrain masking, and bitching about the speed of software up into the 80s. They knew the issues, it was getting the software and processing to keep up with the MATH.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому

      Your dad is freakin cool.

    • @LondonSteveLee
      @LondonSteveLee Рік тому

      Robert, I worked on the system to merge realtime data from multiple RADAR sources on an RAF plane (say no more than that!) and you're right the hardware just couldn't keep up which meant we had to spaghetti-code on point-to-point systems to minimise latency which made them impossible to upgrade - and they were obsolete by the time they got into service - pretty much the F-22 story in a nutshell, the onboard computers are 25 years out of date as are the databuses - an amazing plane though (as a plane). F-35 isn't that great in this respect either - the European fighter trio learned from the failings of the previous British project were designed with much more open architectures and have been kept reasonably current hardware wise as they were developed, as did Sea Harrier FA2's superb Blue Vixen - which was one of the first systems in the world with real time digital signal processing behind the RADAR data processing. This became CAPTOR-M which still punches way above its weight as a fighter sized RADAR - actually still better than most AESA RADARs at long-range search and track. Obviously AESA sets are brilliant multi-taskers. Until F-22 receives a new RADAR with gallium arsenide TX/RX modules I would bet my mortgage on tranche-3 onwards Typhoon out-performing it at long range search and track. The current APG77 TX/RX modules soon overheat in high power search modes and switch to performance-limiting cooling strategies - and the back end computing is pretty pathetic anyway. F-35 and F-22 need total avionics refits due to the drawn out nature of development. late block F-15EX is actually more up-to-date - being an easy plane to upgrade due to the bolt on nature of everything (Like Typhoon, Gripen and Rafale) - even block 4 F-35 is a compromise carrying lots of antique carryovers.

  • @TheProperMinter
    @TheProperMinter Рік тому +2

    Holes are not fusing, its shift rocket motors, like space shutlle, shift missile in space sideways. Great video, but I may suggest two tweaks: fire offensive at least 100-200 miles away like in real life , send cruise missiles at least 400 feet above or higher as in real life

  • @cknewcomb
    @cknewcomb Рік тому

    Love to see this with IRIS-T and THAAD

  • @glennmoore6968
    @glennmoore6968 Рік тому

    When you fast-forwarded the conversation you almost sounded like the "Binar" from Star Trek TNG lol.

  • @jeroenk3570
    @jeroenk3570 Рік тому +3

    Do defensive sytems normally stand alone like these were, or are they normally part of a greater radar and defence network?

    • @jonathanpfeffer3716
      @jonathanpfeffer3716 Рік тому +1

      At least under Western doctrine and technology, the latter.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому

      Yes BUT we deliberately isolated them so we could study each type of system.

    • @rebelliousfew
      @rebelliousfew Рік тому

      Typically in the West, yes, but Russia likes to heavily integrate their SAM defenses, which makes it all the more deadly and efficient.

  • @mixit2413
    @mixit2413 Рік тому +1

    is there any chance you could test Skysaber (Camms)

  • @justintangaere3932
    @justintangaere3932 Рік тому +1

    Greetings Grim Reapers! Cap, is it at all possible to model a “laser” for an Arleigh Burke or Gerald R Ford???

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому +1

      It's only our TO DO list but low priority as we have so many in-service stuff to model.

    • @justintangaere3932
      @justintangaere3932 Рік тому

      @@grimreapers I shall wait patiently for that, in the meantime I will continue to watch and like EVERY SINGLE vid you have! I enjoy them all! Thank you for your and your teams dedication!!! #Grimreapers

  • @lolmao500
    @lolmao500 Рік тому

    CH is the MAN!! Next up as a massive challenge... What about making.... AN ICBM and Ground launched interceptors? LOL I dont think DCS can model that at all but who knows?

  • @amgsmithy-cq5pi
    @amgsmithy-cq5pi Рік тому

    have u done the battle of britain yet if not can u do one love ur vids on dcs hopefully i can get on it one i get a better pc or gpu

  • @tawahachee8914
    @tawahachee8914 Рік тому +1

    now I kinda understand where this Russian "the UA ADF hit the residential buildings with their own missiles" comes from

  • @andimatz8272
    @andimatz8272 Рік тому +1

    hey whats wiht the land base cwis

  • @ztcajun
    @ztcajun Рік тому +1

    Now we need the THAAD

  • @-sargntclashroyaleandmore-491
    @-sargntclashroyaleandmore-491 Рік тому +1

    let's go viewing, woo'ingtons!

  • @nick4819
    @nick4819 Рік тому +1

    Instead of trying to time the pause button....isn't there a way to slow down time?

  • @reporttam
    @reporttam Рік тому +1

    You’d catch them during popup and terminal defense

  • @tadficuscactus
    @tadficuscactus Рік тому

    Does the Geopard use a Leopard 1 chassis?

  • @faritik6252
    @faritik6252 Рік тому

    Don't forget that Iskander (9M723) can maneuver and deploy conter-measures

  • @Kevin-hb7yq
    @Kevin-hb7yq Рік тому +2

    These high mach missiles could be hot enough to get an ir track, these ground units might be better behind the target.

    • @saladiniv7968
      @saladiniv7968 Рік тому +1

      at least in theory they are so fast, that friction will turn the air into a plasma infront of them. that would make ir tracks really easy, but interestingly make radar tracking incredibly hard. plasma is opaque to radar waves, so a radar would be mostly blocked from reaching the missile and could therefore not be reflected back.

    • @thedausthed
      @thedausthed Рік тому

      @@saladiniv7968 That is false, Plasma reflects radar waves

    • @saladiniv7968
      @saladiniv7968 Рік тому

      @@thedausthed exactly the point, the shape of the plasma shock wave will apparently have a much smaller radar signature than the missile.

    • @rileymorrisroe6743
      @rileymorrisroe6743 4 місяці тому

      ​@@saladiniv7968It depends on the radar wave: microwave, UHF and VHF frequencies are higher than the plasma frequency of the ionosphere, meaning that they will see throught it.

  • @speeddemon2262
    @speeddemon2262 Рік тому +1

    Maybe the core DCS SA-10 would do a bit better vs the cruise missiles with its S300PS low-altitude ClamShell search radar.
    Also where was NASAM.

  • @VoltaireVoltaire-zq4zh
    @VoltaireVoltaire-zq4zh Рік тому +1

    No Aster system modeled yet ?

  • @tukasmoqkiopekpushimmareholana

    somewhere i read that iskander m had some kind of countermeasure which it deploys to fool intercepting missiles

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому

      Like chaff? Interesting.

    • @tukasmoqkiopekpushimmareholana
      @tukasmoqkiopekpushimmareholana Рік тому

      @@grimreapers i don’t think it was like chaff. i read it a long time ago and i may be horribly wrong so do your own research. cheers!

  • @GrahamMilkdrop
    @GrahamMilkdrop Рік тому +1

    Do you need 'combined arms' for these mods?

  • @philippk819
    @philippk819 Рік тому +1

    The Kinshal is nothing but an air-to-ground version of the Iskander-M. And while both reach hypersonic speeds, they are not what today is considered to be a "hypersonic missile".

    • @rileymorrisroe6743
      @rileymorrisroe6743 4 місяці тому

      What? Its still a hypersonic missile it has been, it is and will continue to be as there is no other meaning of hypersonic outside of the mach 5 threshold. Too many people are making pseudo definitions of the term hypersonic.

    • @philippk819
      @philippk819 4 місяці тому

      @@rileymorrisroe6743 No, it isn't - at least not what the current hype is all about. If the Iskander-M and Kinshal are "hypersonic missiles", the Scud is one as well. Even the V-2 was scraping the Mach 5 threshold.
      What today is considered a hypersonic missile is either a cruise missile with a scramjet or a hypersonic glide vehicle that's "riding the atmosphere" before it strikes. Both types are highly maneuverable. That's what is meant, when we talk about "hypersonic missiles".
      The Iskander-M and the Kinshal are neither. They also aren't "highly maneuverable", albeit being steerable to a certain degree. They are semi-hallistic. But that's it. That's also the reason why Israel "only" had to develop "David's Sling" to counter them, while she currently develops "Sky Sonic" to deal with real hypersonic threats (David's Sling's "Stunner" interceptor btw. is also used for the newest Patriot iteration PAAC-4).

    • @rileymorrisroe6743
      @rileymorrisroe6743 4 місяці тому

      @@philippk819 Yes....anything the passes the hypersonic threshold is a hypersonic weapon...making most ballistic missiles hypersonic. Its not a hard concept, there's no need to create pseudo definitions where the real definitions are set in stone.
      A bunch of word salad doesnt change the fact that a hypersonic weapon is anything that passes the mach 5 threshold. All youve done is list the subcategories of a HW, being HCMs, HGVs etc😂.
      And im not getting into a samantical argument with you over the definition of 'highly maneuverable'.

  • @thrustvectoring8120
    @thrustvectoring8120 Рік тому +1

    the missile knows where it is

  • @jdickson1234
    @jdickson1234 Рік тому +1

    Effing tree shows up in the worst possible spot! lol

  • @rubiconnn
    @rubiconnn Рік тому +2

    Does DCS have an "alert" like status that the units can be in, like Arma? I know in Arma units can be "combat", "alert", "aware", or "safe" status that will determine their behavior, reaction time and how easily they can notice enemies in the distance. If DCS has that kind of system it would make sense to set the units to high awareness since there would probably be some kind of early warning radar that would put units on high alert.

    • @mk6315
      @mk6315 Рік тому

      They’re pretty dependent on radar/awacs/IRST but if they can track it they’ll do what they can

    • @voradfils
      @voradfils Рік тому

      There's something called "alarm state" in DCS, and it can be set to green, red, or automatic. If it's set to red, air defence units will be actively scanning for targets which seems to have been the case here, at least for Tor and Tunguska. S-300's mast mounted low altitude search radar was missing which caused it to underperform badly.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому +1

      Yup, in these test I set them to RED alert, ready to fire. In large missions we leave them to activate themselves.

  • @virginccyy7645
    @virginccyy7645 Рік тому +1

    The Kaiber is a Soviet copy of the Tomohawk.

  • @anthonyb5279
    @anthonyb5279 Рік тому +1

    The SR-71 could go high enough to avoid those old missile. The real ceiling is 120k', not straight and level but a phugoid.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому

      Roger, wouldn't want to be that pilot though...

  • @CrazyRussianPilot
    @CrazyRussianPilot Рік тому +1

    👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @Suojeluninja
    @Suojeluninja Рік тому +1

    I think the time delayed fuse and and shrapnel of Gepard munitions is not properly simulated.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому +1

      Almost certainly not modelled at all. In game will need direct hit.

  • @mariokajin
    @mariokajin Рік тому +3

    IRIS T and the NASAMS and Skyranger (Rheinmetal) those 3 are obviously not programmed in the game yet.

    • @Nimmermaer
      @Nimmermaer Рік тому

      Iris T has been in previous tests.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому

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  • @jeffsie88
    @jeffsie88 Рік тому +1

    My family has served multiple generations in CAF, and one of my relatives, who is an active NCO, told me and my dad, "We don't want the dumb jock types anymore." My dad, who was a bad ass Airborne Sgt. and served with some bad assed soldiers north and south of the 49th parallel. (The latter he was ordered to volunteer to be a Canadian "observer" or something of that nature with some LRRP'S in Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam) said to that kid, "you mean the guys that think on their feet, and won two world wars, and who were regarded as some of the best soldiers in the world, man for man?"
    It's a sad state of affairs in our military and government as they seem to emulate each other.

  • @emfournet
    @emfournet Рік тому

    CH has such a jolly little laugh

  • @cylone2005
    @cylone2005 Рік тому

    Those holes are.actually tiny rockets for precision trajectory fine tuning.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому

      thxx

    • @cylone2005
      @cylone2005 Рік тому

      @grimreapers np. I build the pac 3, himars and atacms. So it's fun getting to watch yall use them.

  • @Nightsd01
    @Nightsd01 5 місяців тому

    Loved this video, then I thought a bit more about it and realized the Iskander was probably targeting a hospital or a school. For some this is a real problem

  • @OctaviusRomulus
    @OctaviusRomulus Рік тому +1

    "When the maths go to shit, it has to use the Gs." - CH

  • @brendanleonhard3074
    @brendanleonhard3074 Рік тому +1

    As noted in the news over the last couple of weeks, Russia have been putting Missile defences on the roofs of buildings in the Moscow, perhaps this will help with your line of sight issues.

  • @trevorday7923
    @trevorday7923 6 місяців тому

    With the ability to fire hypersonic missiles which loft up to such humungous altitudes, would it now be possible to have ground-launched anti-satellite weapons? The original ASAT missiles needed to be air-launched by a fighter in an afterburning climb, but would it now be feasible to fire 2020s ASAT ordnance from the ground?

    • @rileymorrisroe6743
      @rileymorrisroe6743 4 місяці тому

      Those already exist. SM-3/6, GBI, Possibly THAAD, S-500, potentially later S-300 variants

  • @mattseller148
    @mattseller148 Рік тому +1

    S-300V was mainly meant to defend against Pershing II nuclear IRBMs which just like Iskander where quasi-ballistic missiles with a low level (compared to of IRBMs) final manuvering stage. The only system the soviets had to shoot down Minuteman missiles was A-135 a huge silo based missile that defends Moscow and uses it's own nuclear warhead to destroy the incoming ICBM without having to be accurate but even that was estimated by the Soviets themselves to only be abot to shoot down 2 Minutemen missiles.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому

      thxxx

    • @duanesamuelson2256
      @duanesamuelson2256 Рік тому

      Using a nuclear warhead in ICBM defense was to get an EMP close enough to fry the electric mechanical and electronic parts of the warhead. They weren't designed to actually it the incoming missle (plus a missle would have MIRV'd before you could reach it)..
      As a defender against MIRV, you have the issue of having to hit 6 targets instead of 1, plus a spread of several hundred km. In addition some systems the bus also deployed decoys.
      If you could get an EMP in range prior to great dispersal, you have turned the half dozen warheads into high-speed rocks.

    • @mattseller148
      @mattseller148 Рік тому

      @Duane Samuelson, thanks I was mistaking the A-135s way of downing warheads with the LIM-49 Spartan. The Sprint missile used a similar approach using EMP.

  • @sasquatchycowboy5585
    @sasquatchycowboy5585 Рік тому

    Please contact ED and see about getting some of this stuff implemented in the game.

  • @valuedhumanoid6574
    @valuedhumanoid6574 Рік тому

    Don't worry Cap, my donations are never altered when we lose. Next one coming when I get my next donation (paycheck). Long live Grim Reapers. And CH is a genius. He needs taken care of too!

  • @osher87
    @osher87 Рік тому +1

    Hey, the SHORAD systems does not work on higher tiers defense, it is useless to put SA-15 or other against Ballistic missile, the same analogy is you can't shoot down an ICBM/TBM using Gepard or Avenger systems.
    You guys know that, i guess you just wanted to try anyway.

  • @svenskdod
    @svenskdod Рік тому +1

    Dude, CurrentHill has the thickest Swedish accent ever, and I live in Sweden. 😂

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому

      Yup, even I struggle to understand sometimes!

  • @vanguard9067
    @vanguard9067 Рік тому +1

    Seems as if the capabilities of the radar and computers are as important as the missiles of the older systems (if not more so). Mechanically scanned radar with a few revolutions per second cannot possibly track the incoming missiles and older computers cannot calculate the trajectories fast enough. I wonder if an AESA radar and modern computers combined with the older defensive missiles would have a chance to hit the faster incoming missiles.

    • @grimreapers
      @grimreapers  Рік тому +1

      The Patriot we used has the AESA upgraded radar, and it could fire MUCH faster.

    • @vanguard9067
      @vanguard9067 Рік тому

      @@grimreapers I must have missed that. I know you guys provide all the pertinent information. I should have listened more closely. I apologize.