Yes MLS has grown quite a bit but I disagree that it attracts anywhere the same level of talent as Europe or South America as regards young players or major coaches - its got a lot of potential and will keep growing, but nowhere close to the traditional big boys.. A long way to go but its positive.
Look at how many top young players from Argentina, Uruguay, Mexico, Brazil, etc that MLS transferred in this season. This year was the biggest talent influx ever, IMO. It's obviously not overall at top Europe or SA level, but it's still seen as a legitimate place for great coaches and high potential young foreigners to go. And at the rate it's growing, who knows where it will be in 10 years.
I don't think young players want to 'go' to South America; in fact, the Brazilian Serie A league is just another development league in European eyes (meaning its sole purpose is to ship teenaged talent to Europe). That said, UEFA Champions League teams are the ultimate 'crown jewel' destination for all aspiring soccer players.
Lucas Patrick Well not many people outside the Brazilian diaspora follow Brazil's Serie A as closely as people worldwide watch Europe or MLS, it's mostly people like you and I that do. I root for Corinthians, by the way. If you remember the 1994 World Cup winning team, you'd know that half the team belonged to a Brazilian club team. Two years ago, there wasn't a single Brazilian player on Tite's World Cup roster that played for a Brazilian club team. All of the world-class talent would rather go to Europe as teenagers, 'cause that's where the money is. There's not as many players that are that passionate about the Brazilian Serie A anymore, much of Corinthians' current roster is journeymen.
Love and support for MLS from Bosnia 💙🇧🇦, it is great to see that football is developing in the USA in the right direction, interesting league and fun during the summer, support for Cincinnati and our Haris Medunjanin 🇧🇦💙🔥 PS: What MLS should do is to connect with European football houses, for example to organize at least friendly intercontinental matches to start, to bring USA football closer to the rest of the world, with this move they will gaining better ratings, more investment in the league and popularity in Europe where is temple of football.My humble opinion.Anyway I as european guy love MLS and every year I see improvment 👍💙🇧🇦
they are non-entity with few exceptions. heck, the LA Galaxy are one of the most successful sports franchises in the country and all it took was for a team to open near downtown LA and instantly shoved aside the Galaxy as LA's team. Turned them into the Clippers. MLS is worse then the NHL when it comes to marketing and long-term planning. And the NHL is HORRIBLE.
What was not mentioned was the value of Soccer United Marketing, SUM, which the owners buy into. He mentioned that they are really buying into the "American soccer landscape" , which probably is an indirect reference to SUM. But SUM is part of an MLS owners investment, and it provides regular income to the owners which the league doesn't have to report or declare for MLS Player's Association negotiations. So the truth is they aren't really losing money.
Seattle is the most successful franchise amongst them all when it comes to game attendance. Why showing a half empty stadium on a showcase piece, and ruining the sales pitch ?
No they should. There’s 51 American states! You’d want atleast 80% states to have an MLS team. They could also add Promotion and Relegation, adding one or two extra divisions to fit in all the teams, it would also increase the fan interest and competitiveness since there’s a cost for being a bad team and a prize for being a good one. Sorry for the paragraph btw
Well not to be a snob about all things ‘football’ but the *’ONLY’* thing that puzzles me about this entire story are those people who are genuinely “surprised” by the revelation that this particular league is losing money.
They aren't really losing money because of SUM. Or at least not nearly as much. I'm surprised that 7 clubs are actually "profitable" without even considering SUM.
The MLB, NFL, NBA, & NHL are the best leagues in the world. Best talent. The MLS is on par with the Belgian leagues, somewhere around 11th or 12th best in the world. This in part explains why MLS TV ratings suck.
I wouldn't rank MLS that high. They are more top 30 at best than 20. Weaknesses in depth, very weak defensive players on every team, lack of consistency and the lack of ambition keeps them from a top 20 rank. Belgium's league is currently neck and neck with the Netherlands top division in UEFA's ranking. MLS don't even touch that level as CONCACAF's third most successful league internationally. MLS last won a CONCACAF trophy back in 2000 despite regularly having 5 teams enter the competition while Costa Rica won it twice back to back in the mid 2000's despite having less.
One of the many problems MLS has is perhaps the academy players. Take LA Galaxy, for example. LA Galaxy has some young players, such as Efrahín Alvarez and Nick DePuy, who had to pay a mortgage loan's worth of money just to join the academy. They're not gonna last with the team very long, because ulimately the soccer player's dream, is to play in the World Cup, and the only way to get called up to play for your country is to move to a European club team. Sooner or later, they'll either be attracted to European money like Giovanni Reyna, or get loaned out to have a lackluster season with little playtime like Uriel Anduna. Another thing to note is that a good percentage of LA Galaxy's players are foreign journeymen players, such as the 2018 team of Jurgen Skjelvic, Romain Alessandrini, and Baggio Husidic, leaving Sigi Schmid no room for the development of academy players. The fact that Galaxy is 90% foreign journeymen just says a lot about how well we use our players and how much people want to play for our league. So in short, we're either developing our players to go to Europe, or we're building them into the same journeymen that come here and play for our teams, only to realize that starting a Pure Barre franchise is more rewarding than what they're doing. Edit: I also notice a bit of a changing of the guard as the last time an founding MLS team went to a final was 2015, and the last time one went on to win a final was a year earlier. I wonder what Jack McBean's up to these days.
@@Ace-uc5cj The thing to remember, though, is that a lotta the academy players don’t get a shot at the first team, ‘cause teams are goin’ a mile a minute to be able to find their franchise player, like, the average Galaxy fan would think that after learning from Ibrahimovic’s departure that LA Galaxy would not sign another designated player again and just have a re-building year focusing on talent.
I don't buy for a second that MLS is losing money. (during Covid yes) They are crying poor as so many sharp investors do to keep as much of their profits possible.
Yes due to Soccer United Marketing. And that they do not have to report or disclose for CBA negotiations. There is a reason why there is so much billionaire interest in MLS.
Tax write off scheme for NFL owners. They want to operate on losses. Look at the Charlotte MLS bid, North Carolina FC owners submitted their bid before Tapper and Garber gave the expansion rights to Tapper(NFL owner). Garber used to work for the NFL so he will make sure this NFL boys get everything first.
@@gavinproduction7433 Yeah, at this point MLS is following the money because that is what they need for the league to survive. Plus Charlotte has a larger population which had a role. The name was generic to be honest, should've been called Carolina Monarchs or just Charlotte Monarchs, would've fit the badge's crown.
@@Ace-uc5cj I mean the same happened in Austin with San Antonio getting blocked!!! Even the commissioner Garner Raleigh was the better market and we could support the team!!! It just sad maybe Raleigh will get MLB Major League Baseball team in Raleigh!!! Raleigh never te-submitted it bid cause Steve Malik was a coward to use Dundon cause they could've been a powerful duo with him owning the Hurricanes and they had some talk till David Tepper expressed his interest then he let his guard down!!!
Europeans and South americans are very expensive to hire and if we don't hire players and coaches from Concacaf we are loosing money and talent to other confederations!
MLS is a joke of a league in terms of it’s operations. In fact US soccer operations is a joke in itself. It’s the most exclusive sport there is and the top talents don’t really make it because of cost, on top of that because of the way teams operate there isn’t really any sort of path from top to bottom which is even more insane.
MLS the "Mardy Wolfs Ideas of all Trades" need to STOP taking somebody's else ideas for their own fanbase ideas for granite; and merge your own USL leagues into the MLS Premiership as a whole.
No billionaire in his/her right mind will pony up USD $ 50 -200 million to chance have its sunk investment playing the minor leagues just because his/her tem stood at the bottom of the a prank any given year. That was a lame duck suggestion.
The TV ratings are low, well the European soccer tv ratings are that much higher either , but still MLS teams are a hard sell on TV and Media, where European teams on US tv are mainly in the Morning times here and already have a niche appeal from a audiences
point is its improving each year. I am from Montreal, and each year our team gets more and more recognition...I even hear people in Africa talking about our teams.
His right eye balls will be there but not the elite eye balls of the world. MLS is semi professional league I don’t think a really talented player will go to the USA to join LAFC when he can go to Real Madrid or Manchester City. One step at a time America you will get there just right now, maybe in 30 years
Theyll make if they had promotion relegation because anyone can make a team a d make smart business choices to progress case in point wycombe who were a non league team until the 90s and have now been promoted to the second tier championship for the first time ever
MLS is meaningless football. It’s a series of friendlies with a smattering of retirees from the real leagues. TV viewership is pathetic. Sure, it’s improved, but that’s not saying much. Once Apple realizes their deal is a bad investment, the house of cards will come down.
Not really we have a lot of soccer to watch mls is new guest on soccer scene even in the us the most watchable soccer leagues here are liga mx , english premire league , and other soccer compitions so the future of mls actually is bright they have just to imporove quality and let the shift of generations do the job soccer is here to stay and grow in our country and the sky is the limite
Yes MLS has grown quite a bit but I disagree that it attracts anywhere the same level of talent as Europe or South America as regards young players or major coaches - its got a lot of potential and will keep growing, but nowhere close to the traditional big boys.. A long way to go but its positive.
Look at how many top young players from Argentina, Uruguay, Mexico, Brazil, etc that MLS transferred in this season. This year was the biggest talent influx ever, IMO. It's obviously not overall at top Europe or SA level, but it's still seen as a legitimate place for great coaches and high potential young foreigners to go. And at the rate it's growing, who knows where it will be in 10 years.
I don't think young players want to 'go' to South America; in fact, the Brazilian Serie A league is just another development league in European eyes (meaning its sole purpose is to ship teenaged talent to Europe). That said, UEFA Champions League teams are the ultimate 'crown jewel' destination for all aspiring soccer players.
@@soccertokki the europeans have the money to buy most of the best players from Brazil but still Its a good league with good teams like flamengo
Lucas Patrick Well not many people outside the Brazilian diaspora follow Brazil's Serie A as closely as people worldwide watch Europe or MLS, it's mostly people like you and I that do. I root for Corinthians, by the way. If you remember the 1994 World Cup winning team, you'd know that half the team belonged to a Brazilian club team. Two years ago, there wasn't a single Brazilian player on Tite's World Cup roster that played for a Brazilian club team. All of the world-class talent would rather go to Europe as teenagers, 'cause that's where the money is. There's not as many players that are that passionate about the Brazilian Serie A anymore, much of Corinthians' current roster is journeymen.
@@soccertokki no one watches mls world wide
Love and support for MLS from Bosnia 💙🇧🇦, it is great to see that football is developing in the USA in the right direction, interesting league and fun during the summer, support for Cincinnati and our Haris Medunjanin 🇧🇦💙🔥 PS: What MLS should do is to connect with European football houses, for example to organize at least friendly intercontinental matches to start, to bring USA football closer to the rest of the world, with this move they will gaining better ratings, more investment in the league and popularity in Europe where is temple of football.My humble opinion.Anyway I as european guy love MLS and every year I see improvment 👍💙🇧🇦
MLS need to market better, most teams are hardly a presence in thier own cities, they are practically a minor league team at best.
they are non-entity with few exceptions. heck, the LA Galaxy are one of the most successful sports franchises in the country and all it took was for a team to open near downtown LA and instantly shoved aside the Galaxy as LA's team. Turned them into the Clippers. MLS is worse then the NHL when it comes to marketing and long-term planning. And the NHL is HORRIBLE.
Big fan of the MLS Colorado rapids but big coachs and top players no! Not yet
Year 2049 MLS have 100 teams and 5 year tournament
What was not mentioned was the value of Soccer United Marketing, SUM, which the owners buy into. He mentioned that they are really buying into the "American soccer landscape" , which probably is an indirect reference to SUM. But SUM is part of an MLS owners investment, and it provides regular income to the owners which the league doesn't have to report or declare for MLS Player's Association negotiations. So the truth is they aren't really losing money.
Forbes must be based out of Seattle.
I was thinking the same. They're based out of New York.
Seattle is the most successful franchise amongst them all when it comes to game attendance. Why showing a half empty stadium on a showcase piece, and ruining the sales pitch ?
I think mls just needs to stop adding teams.
They should there are loads of markets on the country dude.
No they should. There’s 51 American states! You’d want atleast 80% states to have an MLS team. They could also add Promotion and Relegation, adding one or two extra divisions to fit in all the teams, it would also increase the fan interest and competitiveness since there’s a cost for being a bad team and a prize for being a good one. Sorry for the paragraph btw
There’s 50 states.
With more teams, they can have promotion and relegation which will make players work harder.
They need more teams and they need promotion and relegation as well as playoffs
Well not to be a snob about all things ‘football’ but the *’ONLY’* thing that puzzles me about this entire story are those people who are genuinely “surprised” by the revelation that this particular league is losing money.
They aren't really losing money because of SUM. Or at least not nearly as much. I'm surprised that 7 clubs are actually "profitable" without even considering SUM.
The MLB, NFL, NBA, & NHL are the best leagues in the world. Best talent. The MLS is on par with the Belgian leagues, somewhere around 11th or 12th best in the world. This in part explains why MLS TV ratings suck.
I wouldn't rank MLS that high. They are more top 30 at best than 20. Weaknesses in depth, very weak defensive players on every team, lack of consistency and the lack of ambition keeps them from a top 20 rank. Belgium's league is currently neck and neck with the Netherlands top division in UEFA's ranking. MLS don't even touch that level as CONCACAF's third most successful league internationally. MLS last won a CONCACAF trophy back in 2000 despite regularly having 5 teams enter the competition while Costa Rica won it twice back to back in the mid 2000's despite having less.
@@jaybeaumont5930 top 15 or high for sure
30 lol
Best league in the world ?????? Its only played in america
That money should go to Amateur development league for kids
One of the many problems MLS has is perhaps the academy players. Take LA Galaxy, for example. LA Galaxy has some young players, such as Efrahín Alvarez and Nick DePuy, who had to pay a mortgage loan's worth of money just to join the academy. They're not gonna last with the team very long, because ulimately the soccer player's dream, is to play in the World Cup, and the only way to get called up to play for your country is to move to a European club team. Sooner or later, they'll either be attracted to European money like Giovanni Reyna, or get loaned out to have a lackluster season with little playtime like Uriel Anduna. Another thing to note is that a good percentage of LA Galaxy's players are foreign journeymen players, such as the 2018 team of Jurgen Skjelvic, Romain Alessandrini, and Baggio Husidic, leaving Sigi Schmid no room for the development of academy players. The fact that Galaxy is 90% foreign journeymen just says a lot about how well we use our players and how much people want to play for our league. So in short, we're either developing our players to go to Europe, or we're building them into the same journeymen that come here and play for our teams, only to realize that starting a Pure Barre franchise is more rewarding than what they're doing.
Edit: I also notice a bit of a changing of the guard as the last time an founding MLS team went to a final was 2015, and the last time one went on to win a final was a year earlier. I wonder what Jack McBean's up to these days.
It’s cause of pay 2 play, recently I saw that they decreased pay 2 play, they made it free I think. Also Dallas Fc has the best academy in the league
Most MLS academies now do not operate on a pay to play basis.
@@Ace-uc5cj The thing to remember, though, is that a lotta the academy players don’t get a shot at the first team, ‘cause teams are goin’ a mile a minute to be able to find their franchise player, like, the average Galaxy fan would think that after learning from Ibrahimovic’s departure that LA Galaxy would not sign another designated player again and just have a re-building year focusing on talent.
@@soccertokki That is true, unless academy players make a drastic move upwards.
I don't buy for a second that MLS is losing money. (during Covid yes) They are crying poor as so many sharp investors do to keep as much of their profits possible.
Yes due to Soccer United Marketing. And that they do not have to report or disclose for CBA negotiations. There is a reason why there is so much billionaire interest in MLS.
Great video
Tax write off scheme for NFL owners. They want to operate on losses. Look at the Charlotte MLS bid, North Carolina FC owners submitted their bid before Tapper and Garber gave the expansion rights to Tapper(NFL owner). Garber used to work for the NFL so he will make sure this NFL boys get everything first.
The reason is cause NCFC didn’t follow the MLS guidelines to join.
@@Ace-uc5cj that and money, everyone knows Raleigh was a better market!!! That day they got the expansion rights was a deep tragedy for Raleigh!!!
@@gavinproduction7433 Yeah, at this point MLS is following the money because that is what they need for the league to survive. Plus Charlotte has a larger population which had a role. The name was generic to be honest, should've been called Carolina Monarchs or just Charlotte Monarchs, would've fit the badge's crown.
@@Ace-uc5cj I mean the same happened in Austin with San Antonio getting blocked!!! Even the commissioner Garner Raleigh was the better market and we could support the team!!! It just sad maybe Raleigh will get MLB Major League Baseball team in Raleigh!!! Raleigh never te-submitted it bid cause Steve Malik was a coward to use Dundon cause they could've been a powerful duo with him owning the Hurricanes and they had some talk till David Tepper expressed his interest then he let his guard down!!!
@@gavinproduction7433 did Garber say they cans support a team in raleigh?
Europeans and South americans are very expensive to hire and if we don't hire players and coaches from Concacaf we are loosing money and talent to other confederations!
Fianlly someone understand the problem of soccer in this country
MLS is a joke of a league in terms of it’s operations. In fact US soccer operations is a joke in itself. It’s the most exclusive sport there is and the top talents don’t really make it because of cost, on top of that because of the way teams operate there isn’t really any sort of path from top to bottom which is even more insane.
How do you guys have less than 700 views
2:53 who?
MLS the "Mardy Wolfs Ideas of all Trades" need to STOP taking somebody's else ideas for their own fanbase ideas for granite; and merge your own USL leagues into the MLS Premiership as a whole.
They need a relegation system
They need a relegation system like they need a hole in the head...
No billionaire in his/her right mind will pony up USD $ 50 -200 million to chance have its sunk investment playing the minor leagues just because his/her tem stood at the bottom of the a prank any given year.
That was a lame duck suggestion.
The TV ratings are low, well the European soccer tv ratings are that much higher either , but still MLS teams are a hard sell on TV and Media, where European teams on US tv are mainly in the Morning times here and already have a niche appeal from a audiences
point is its improving each year. I am from Montreal, and each year our team gets more and more recognition...I even hear people in Africa talking about our teams.
@@philmuda Nigerian. I'm a fan of both Nashville and Austin.
They play in the morning because European time is different. If you want to watch a game live you have to watch the game during the morning hours.
His right eye balls will be there but not the elite eye balls of the world. MLS is semi professional league I don’t think a really talented player will go to the USA to join LAFC when he can go to Real Madrid or Manchester City. One step at a time America you will get there just right now, maybe in 30 years
MLS is doomed for saturation unless they adopt pro rel
MLS needs pro/rel like it needs a hole in the head...
the NASL is the next big thing....
Mark Abbott Don Garber Carlos Cordeiro OUT
Why?
Funny how that works. Makes "Voodoo Economics look like Judaism Economics"
It's Football.
Theyll make if they had promotion relegation because anyone can make a team a d make smart business choices to progress case in point wycombe who were a non league team until the 90s and have now been promoted to the second tier championship for the first time ever
MLS is meaningless football. It’s a series of friendlies with a smattering of retirees from the real leagues. TV viewership is pathetic. Sure, it’s improved, but that’s not saying much. Once Apple realizes their deal is a bad investment, the house of cards will come down.
Solution is pro rel
A lot of talk of schemes and frankly it's starting to look like that.
The Sacramento case has to be a warning...
MLS will fold in a couple of years. Nobody watches a boring game like soccer!!!! Not when you can watch NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL.Bye bye MLS!
Highly doubt it
@@Herb615 They've already lost a billion dollars, COVID is killing MLS.
If that were true, then there would be no more franchises being added...
Not really we have a lot of soccer to watch mls is new guest on soccer scene even in the us the most watchable soccer leagues here are liga mx , english premire league , and other soccer compitions so the future of mls actually is bright they have just to imporove quality and let the shift of generations do the job soccer is here to stay and grow in our country and the sky is the limite
@@chennoufimedalamine5806 Lol the ratings are so low with MLS it's a garbage league!
Foreign league, the Americans don't care
For you but not for me and the growing fan of the sport
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