SALOMON S-LAB SENSE ULTRA 5 SET HYDRATION PACK REVIEW | The Ginger Runner
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I LOVE reviewing hydration packs. It's always a piece of my kit that I take a lot of time to test and figure out. In this case, the Salomon S/LAB Sense Ultra 5 Set has been available for sometime, but I needed to make sure it works in a variety of situations. I love it. It has it's fair share of problems, but overall, I've been super happy with it. I'm really curious to try the new Advanced Skin 5L pack from Salomon, as that might be a better option for a larger variety of situations for the same price. Stay tuned for that review.
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Put a lot of time in with this pack and have been very pleased. Excited to see what else is out there, but for now, this is what I'm grabbing for long days and races. What's your current go-to and why?
My go-to is the VaporKrar WaistPak, it's just so good, no bounce!
Hey! I want that Dovetail. T-shirt!!
I've got the old version and found the straps unhook too often so the cord locks are a much needed improvement. I'm still not a fan of the nearly-open strap pocket though... not many things I'd trust to keep in it for fear of falling out! I've also got the updated (and hard to find!) S-LAB Sense Ultra Set 3L which also has the updated Cord Locks. I still love that pack for more minimal scenarios such as races, and I wish all Salomon packs had it's huge side zipper pockets! Finally, my favourite Salomon pack currently is the update ADV Skin 12 SET. IMHO it's a huge update over the previous version and just refined in almost every way - love it's fit, and great storage options. Have you tried it?
Ethan, for me, the top cable keeps popping loose when I double it, so that its tight. It pops off the hook, which seems a little shallow. Mine doesn't have the plastic squeeze clips (whatever you'd call) to tighten or adjust. Have you or anyone else experienced the problem and do you have any solutions. You da man. Thanks.
Mark Adkins hmm, I don’t have that prob with the new clips/bungee, but in last year’s version I did.
I have the 8L and an Advanced Skin 12.
I think the design and detailing of the Sense Ultra 8 is amazing. It really truly is more like a garment.
What I like about the Advanced Skin 12 though is that it is still amazingly detailed (if slightly less minimal) but doesn't bounce nearly as much or at all. The front drop (below the bottle) pockets for example have way less bounce but still swallow up a lot of food or gear.
It's like it is a combination of the old Salomon vests and the Sense Ultra of sorts, and in the end I find myself often taking the Advanced Skin 12 especially when I have a lot of food or a lot of gear to carry.
"Like cake"... love it. Your reviews are always informative and at time fun to watch :-)
Absolutely love my Sense Ultra 5 set. Purchased it last year when it first came out and it's still my go to pack. To last on the long runs I carry extra flask(s) in the back.
I have had some tearing on the inner webbing on back but still going strong. Just get the right size.
i know it's a gopro back there, but i like to imagine that you're running with some sort of portable shovel.
Nice review Ethan, love the t shirt! I don't use packs on my runs that often, but the one I use is a Hoka Evo R. It fits me well and has a load of storage. Really appreciate your honesty in giving the bits you like and the bits you don't like. Good work!
Great review as always. Very tempted to get this.
I love my 5 so far. I used it for a 15 mile trail run this morning, and it felt great while holding all I needed.
Thank you for taking the time to really put mileage in before doing reviews, all of which are well done! Thanks!
Would be helpful if you spoke about sizing vs your size and weight.
Thank you, Ethan!
I love the 5 and the 2! Your review is "spot-on", and fortunately as a "minimalist" I have yet to carry enough for the "bouncing" effect, but would find that annoying. The material is soft enough to wear even without a shirt underneath, but I have yet to do so at 9300-14,000 feet elevation...too cold! 😀👍
Just ordered mine as a 2nd minimal and 4th in total vest. I got my eyes on those new soft flasks, as the older ones are a bit tricky to get them in the pockets. Mr Ginger, keep us informed and intrigued!
Love the Salomon vests. Great quality and fit :)
I just picked this pack up. I love it! Thanks for the great review.
Jeff Petrovitch hi how to choose the size
Nice hat! Love the feel of the S-lab, but you’re right, super stretchy. Besides the recall on the vaporkrar bottles. It’s a nice mix of stretch but has those side straps that lock it in tight!
I ran with UD packs for years - just never getting the Salomon bug! Probably because I don’t like the fit of their shoes. That said, I bought the 8L s-lab pack last year and have not looked back. It carries all the required UTMB kit and, as you said, the pockets are all reachable without removing the pack. I love it. Also totally agree about the bounce. I tend to only run with a single 500ml soft flask, so pack the vest accordingly to balance the weight.
Great review 🤙🏼
I do ultra solos and I use the adv skin 5 set. I find that it has everything I need. The 12 set bounces too much. I don't use the sense series because on most of my runs, they get every adventurous, no aid stations, etc; otherwise I'd just use a belt like the UD groove stereo that can hold my UD ultra jacket or the zippered flip belt if the run is more tame or its just a regular training day. I've had this set up for years now, love it. I browse stores often for gear, have yet to find anything that beats this for my needs.
I agree with the bounce, totally agree with this review in every way.
Great review as always . T-shirt "lovetail"..haha...You legend.
Great review, Ethan. I use the Advanced Skin 5 Set for runs that require more hydration (accommodates a bladder) and the UD T.O. 3.0 race vest for when I need to carry fuel and fluids but can refill. Love them both.
I use the S-lab bottles in my advanced Skin pack because they are better (wider mouth and hard bottom) but I do still struggle getting them back in the pockets. I recently got straws for the bottles but have yet to try them.
Yes the Salomon packs are expensive but are super functional, feel great and they will last a long time. Still happy with my T.O. 3.0, and I use it the most, but when it meets its demise, I’ll likely replace with a Salomon.
Have used this pack for a while; got it b4 it came out to the public; and love it. I agree with the bounce comment due to the stretching of the front pockets. For that reason, I tend to put lighter but voluminous items (hat and gloves, arm warmers etc.) in the front pockets, and put nutrition, electronics etc. on the sides. One item GR did not mention is that the pack has elastic loops to put around the soft flask caps to keep them from sliding down into the pockets. Thus you are not fishing the floppy bottles out of the pocket like the older versions. In fact, you don't even need to remove the bottles to drink. I have added extender tubing to the lids to make that even easier. I do think sizing is critical on this pack. Because it stretches so much, if you get one that is too large, you may not be able to tighten it enough.
This is my first vest and I love it. Everything I need gets snog easily.
The only issue that I have it's with the weight distribution if you don't manage that it will get bouncy easily.
Overall it's a good vest except the price tag. Here in Canada it's close to $200.
I really this pack, and use it at least once a week. The pack material is really breathable and while it can heat up a little on a hot day, it is nowhere near as hot and sweaty as a hydration backpack. I also prefer the weight of the water to be at the front. I have never had enough stuff in the pockets for them to bounce but of course the water bottles bounce when they are full. Soft flasks are great for the way they conform to your body once they are starting to empty and having two means water in one and tailwind in the other. Overall very happy although sometimes i wish i could fit a bladder in there too.
Awesome Bro👊🏾✌🏾
I've not yet found a pack that I like - always feel my breathing is constricted wearing them. But I've been using the new Ultraspire Fitted waist belt and love it. It holds a ton of stuff including 500 ml soft flask, phone, nutrition, gear. I don't notice it after a mile or so. Only negative is the bungee cords are not strong enough to hold z poles without slipping/sagging
Man great timing, im in the market
I had the bounce issue and then I sized down - problem went away - this vest runs BIG. Great review as always!
what size would you recommend for size 41 chest. i am on the muscular size?
Would you say it's more "bouncy" than their older packs?
One comment about value in reviews would be considering price vs longevity. I initially balked at the high price of Salomon vests. Then I got the Advance Skin Lab Hydro 12 Set - another catchy bit of branding ;-) - and 3 years of seriously heavy use later I've had no need to spend further on race vests. It's done daily commutes, races, big mountain days and now feels like it was a pretty savvy investment. I keep noping out of other brand's packs as soon as I try them on in my local running store despite much more competitive pricing. I'm now in the market for a more minimal pack for well supported, minimal mandatory kit races and I think I'd be happy with this price if it works as well as my current Salomon vest.
Big fan of your channel, it's such a good watch even for products I've no interest in and absolutely essential when I'm in gear-buying mode!
Hi there, great video and love the content on your channel
This video showed up on my timeline and really want this vest now. It’s on sale in the UK for £67 which looks a bargain!
My question is for phone storage, in particular a iPhone 11. Will the mobile pocket fit a phone of this size or do you need to put it in a side pocket ?
Those new soft flasks with the hard bottoms left my lower ribs really sore from them bouncing up and down. I’ve switched back to the old fully soft flasks even though they are more fiddlly to put in the pockets and fill; they’re basically invisible even when full!
Nice! I might wonder if the blue will fade but I will use up my older Black one...they are very durable-maybe more than me...maybe. (You could have pulled out a taco..out of it...lol) Happy Trails!
Used the 8 litres on MIUT in the 28 of last month, and loved it. If salomon put another elastic in the middle of the pack, it will be wonderfull.
NICE SHIRT!
I have the old version with the wonky straps. Was really hoping they’d drop the new one their elite athletes are using this year. Seems to conform to the chest a lot better for less flask-bounce.
Do you think the back pocket hold up if I stuffed some poles back there or do you think it would tear? (Great review!)
Spot on about the fit. I started in a medium, which fit perfect, but quickly discovered the stretchy material requires a tighter fit. Swapped to small which I’ll be trying in the issaquah alps tomorrow. 🤞🏼Overall I love how it feels and how accessible everything is. That price though...
Matthew Robinson report back on the small! I was worried It’d fit like a children’s vest on me big frame haha
Matthew Robinson I am Ethans size - normally size M or L in tshirts. But i got this pack size S and didnt regret it. S fits great! Sizing is off in my opinion.
Totally agree @Emmanouil! I'm a smaller frame but have a wider chest so I usually wear M shirts. Given how stretchy the material is, I think they need to rethink their sizing.
Agree on bounce completely. Even when I bring just water on me, I would have to tie it to the max, and it still bounces which is annoying as hell. Went back to my old Nathan pack.
I'm a bigger guy and I am a fan of Ultimate Direction packs, because they fit me very good (haven't tried any of the packs they released). I'm still not a fan of the soft bottles, tried them a few times, but still tend to go to the 600ml hard bottles that were included with the Jurek FKT pack. I have tried packs from other brands in the past, but haven't tried any salomon packs (price being one of the reasons).
I own both the 2 and the 8 and love them for comfort. The 8 Sense has an improved chest strap system but the 2 still works. The 2 is better for me in the summer due to the airy open mesh on the back, as opposed to the back being covered (thus hot) on the 8. For both packs, I find the left side breast pocket useless...nothing stays in there and I am not flexible enough to reach rear pockets. Speaking of the rear pockets, the lower one on my 2 Sense has lost its elasticity. All that being said, I'm still a big fan.
Black Friday I got mine for $109 in jam-jam blue. Used it as my approach pack on Mt Whitney. When it's loaded heavy the bounch does bruse my ribs. It looks like I'm wearing a blue bra in my trail running pics. Im afraid my Trekking poles with a carbide tip might tear it, so I wrap the poles around my waist. But it's a great pack!
I use the Advance Skin 5... I love it, but the flasks are just as you said... lacking. They're difficult to get in and out, and don't hold enough water. Other than that, all the Solomon packs are awesome.
Any chance of an ADV Skin 12L review!? Been out for a little while now and seems to address some of the bounce issues. Cheers.
I have the 8L and 2L and like them very much and agree on the bounciness when "overloaded". When I'm taking filming gear with me and need some extra water I use the UD PB Adventure vest, just a solid fit. (Although some have issues with the straps :) )
kozepz that was my go to for big shoots where dslr and lenses is needed. Not ideal for its comfort, but capacity is rad.
Things not being ideal is perfect for us gearjunks so we can have more :)
Do the new speed flasks fit older Salomon packs? I love my older packs but the older soft flasks had their own set of problems.
it is amazing
I see this one more of a higher capacity Sense Set rather than an upgrade to the previous Adv Skin 5 Set. In fact, they kept both models now.
I have both, and even though I like the new model, I still end up going to the old one if I'm really gonna load it up because of the bouncing. The Adv Skin Set is heavier, but much more rigid while still comfortable. Also, you could overflow some of the rear pockets or add an elastic band and have even more capacity. The new one is the ultra light. Great, but somewhat different purposes IMO.
Any chance you could do a review of Osprey 22 back pack? I realize it isn't a typical trail runner pack but for 100s or longer it is becoming more and more common.
did you ever think about doing a top 5 list for the beginner, average and seasoned runner.
You should run in the air Jordan flight runner 2
How did it hold up in your opinion to the adv skin 5? Did you have heat issues in hot temperatures? due to the pack, the ventilation around the upper body is less.
Hey ethan! Was wondering how do you put poles on those things.. searching the web.. cant find anything.. thanks!!
Hi Ethan. Excellent review as always. What about ventilation? The pack appears to be covering a lot of your upper body, especially on the back and shoulders area. How did that work out for you on hotter days?
Safari87 it’s ridiculously light. That means the materials are super thin and airy. The later that touches the skin is super light mesh and the outer layer is super thin and stretchy. Its WAY better than other brand’s equivalents.
I had some issues with heat with the 5 set. If you think of how much surface area on your back there is, it’s a big deal for heat retention/dissipation. The 2 set is great for hot running.and has enough storage for most situations.
I second that. I was worried about breath-ability and heat (especially because I got the black one), but the material breaths surprisingly well.
I'm on the cusp of size measurements for this pack. If I choose to purchase it, should I size up or size down?
Looking to buy my first pack for 50k-50 miler races. Never used a pack before, this might be what I need?
Can you please please please review the Arc’teryx Norvan Hydration pack?
Great review Ethan. Been using the Adv Skin 5L all year and LOVE it! Different strap system and mine hasn’t seem to stretch like you were describing. 50 miler in a week so we’ll see how it holds up
I have both this and yours ....ADV SKIN 5.....THE BEST ¡¡¡¡
Hey Ethan,
Thanks for the great review. Wich size are you wearing? You are a tall guy, right?
Thanks,
Martin
Hey guys maybe you can help, i have this vest and i use long straws with the flaks. But they bounce terribly. Do you have any useful hack to loop the straw to the shoulder strap?
Ive just purchased a new 8 set and the cord locks do not hold the bungee securely. I can loosen the sternum straps by breathing in and out!
Is this better than the Advanced Skin 5L ???
Ethan, you have become the Michael Jordan of running gear reviews. Don't leave to play baseball.
Big problem with the bungee slipping loose. I had to retie them shorter so the double loop method of closure could be used. Even then the second loop slips off and they begin to slide open and get floppy
How about a handheld hydration bottle shootout?
And how do you carry the Fusion with this pack?
A question for all owners of this vest: I'm considering bying it for my trailruns. I'm between sizes M and L. Which size would you recommend?
can you review the compressport ultrrun?
I have the S lab sense 8. Can it harness a bladder?
I have never tried out the ultra vests. I have the advanced skin 12L and really like it. The only real minus is carrying collapsing hiking poles which is not as comfortable but besides for that it is very good. So why am I commenting under a video review of a vest that I have never used before? One word:
Dovetail 🍻!
I have this exact pack. I love it, but had the same issues as you with it. My only additional gripe was actually with soft flasks. I found that no matter how tight I strapped it down or positioned the vest, the hard bottoms of the flasks rubbed/chaffed/bruised my ribs, super frustrating and ended up just buying another set of fully soft, soft flasks.
Joe Rucco really?? Interesting. I LOVE the harder bottoms as it helps me get the bottles back in. I guess I also lock it down tighter which brings the bottles closer to center, maybe that’s the difference?
I did not notice this during my first run with the vest, but had the exact same experience as you describe during a second one (a 10 miler). My ribs still hurt 2 days later. Very frustrating.
Can you fit a salomon running jacket?
Hi great review thank you. Would an iPhone fit into the front zipped pocket on the top right and if it did would it cause the bounce you mention?
Lisa Francis i stash mine in either an unused bottle pocket or the front stuff pockets rather than the chest pockets as it tends to interfere with the bottle tops there. Or the side zipper pockets - those work too.
TheGingerRunner thanks appreciate your reply. Love the videos.
Ethan, great review as always! I have the same pack. I bought it in mid-February new from Amazon, but I'm wondering if mine was older stock. Mine does not have the cord locks, but has the locking tabs. I think I would've preferred the cord locks. My pack, also in a medium, is very comfortable on my training runs, and holds everything I need it to. I'm planning to use it next weekend for my first ultra. I don't believe you mentioned it in this video, but mine has the side-opening pocket on the left shoulder (behind the S-Lab wording). I know that you discussed that on another review (I think for last year's 8L version). I'm not sure if I'll use that pocket for anything, for fear of it falling out.
You can buy cord locks on the cheap from many spots, even Amazon. I retrofitted my 8L with them
I hadn't thought about that, but after your message that's what I ended up doing: ordering a pack from Amazon. I retrofitted mine and it worked well during my first ultra yesterday.
I hadn't thought about that, but after your message that's what I ended up doing: ordering a pack from Amazon. I retrofitted mine and it worked well during my first ultra yesterday.
I've got the 8 liter version and I've got roughly 300 miles in it. The stitching on the front right pocket has completely come undone so as of right now i'm looking at about a 3" hole that needs to be sewed up. There is glued rubber stripping on the top of the rear large kangaroo pouch that is just about to totally rip off so the build quality at least on the pack I have is atrocious. To top it off this pack fit great for maybe two 20+ mile runs and then it turned from a large to an extra large. I tried the medium which was pretty tight and decided on the large but looking back that was a mistake. Like Ethan says due to the material this pack will get larger. I'd pass on everything saloman based on my experience with this pack save for the fact that I truly love the soft flask setup. I'm currently pondering an advance skin 5 liter but there is a voice in the back of my head that says I'm an idiot for wanting to even try another pack from this company.
Edit: (15 Minutes later) Forgot to mention the strap system sucks.
At one point with vest on your shirt read lovetail.
It’s called The Mazier!!! - Frank Costanza
The Bro! -Cosmo Kramer
Rafael Castillo MANZIER!!!!
Did Salomon do anything about the weird side-open upper chest pocket on the left side? I don't trust putting anything in it, but I don't get hung up on the fact that I can't (or won't) use it. Glad to see they replaced those tab locks on the bungee cords. It's the only thing I truly dislike about the first gen Ultra Sense 8 that I have.
Debra Brooks that pocket is still there - I stash my singlasses in there - perfect fit.
Better use It for trash.
Car keys and trash pocket
I added some stitches at the bottom - making the opening a bit smaller. Then almost anything remains in the pocket, including gels, tissues or salt tabs. Still wouldn't put keys in there though!
Does anyone know how the hell to run the hydration pak hose????? Ugh so frustrating
What about the stitching coming loose? I have the last year’s model of the Sense Ultra & that was a big problem.
George Savage that eventually was an issue for me on my 8L last year, but this one is solid.
2.0l or 1.5l water?
Can't find the original comment thread I was in on this but I wanted to come back after my last long race and take back some of what I said. So previously I'm complained of bruised bottom ribs from the bottles towards the end of Highland Fling 53 miler a month ago. What I didn't say was I was still using the flasks with square soft bottles and narrow top, mainly because I was worried the rounded shoulders of the wider bottles would rub my chest. I just ran Maxi-Race in Annecy, 116km race, and for that I went with the flasks with the hard bottoms and wide tops. Why oh why didn't I do this before? 1) They drop into the pockets much easier. 2) Because of the neck holder the bottles stay up in a spot they don't seem to rub. 3) Wide tops is a revelation for this Tailwind user. 4) If you don't pack the front kangaroo pouches with heavy stuff (limit it to gloves, buffs, headphones, a couple of gels) then it won't press against the bottle and you get much less bounce up front. 24 hours in the vest (it's a monster of a course) and I I really had very little discomfort, just a little in the side pockets late on - but I think this is to be expected. My only remaining complaint is the chest pocket without the zip - it's good for little more than stashing the whistle. Otherwise, I expect I'll be using this vest till it dies a death.
I had an issue with the zippers getting stocked, anyone has the same issue??
I have one of their vests. I feel like it's an apple phone, each version improves microscopic amounts.
Used this race for one 100k ultra and then sold it on e-bay. The problem I had is the water bottles bounced and were bruising my ribs. Got to be be very painful after 40 miles so I started carrying one bottle and giving at least one side of my ribs a break. Perhaps I got the wrong size, not sure.
I have the exact same issue with my 8L version. I ran Highland Fling last weekend and by the end of the race I was moving the vest to side just for a bit of rib relief. That plus the bouncing has me looking back at the 2018 version of the Adv Skin 5 Set. Still a classic vest with some really nice updates. Need to do some eBaying because I now have far too many vests kicking about.
Adv Skin 5 Set is a much more versatile and dialed in pack IMO. Not much heavier but fits much better all around and can carry a bladder if need be, plus you can stash a 20 oz flask in kangaroo pocket and it doesn't move, and no bounce in front flasks. I even use raidlight 20 oz straw flasks in the front, but takes a bit to getthem in there
Bottles or flasks? I definitely don’t recommend bottles with these packs as they’ll sink down and there really isn’t a lot of protection between bottle and ribs. I have zero issues with the softflasks here. If you need more liquid, you can carry two upfront and a few in the back and shrink them down as you work through them, if that makes sense.
Soft flasks for me, I've never understood hard bottles in any vest personally. I'm sure it depends on fit, where the bottom of the flasks sit relative to your bottom rib. That and whether you've additional items riding upfront and whether they're bouncing. I've carried a full bottle in the kangaroo pouch at back of my old Adv Skin 12 Set before - I loved that pack, just wish they'd adopt the S, M, L sizing of these Sense packs instead of XS/S, M/L.
If the front kangaroo pockets are overfilled I find the hard plastic at bottom of bottles causes issues - but only when the flasks are also full. Once I start drinking the rib pressure reduces.
Another thread mentioned adding more weight in back pocket. This raises the front pockets so the bottles don't press on your ribs so much. Is still by far the best vest I've found!
Great review, but next time frame the video so the vest is in full view.
What is your favorite pack
Does it feel out of balance as you have a bottle one side and not the other?
Yes definitely. Would recommend always filling both or none of the bottles. I also switch between bottles when drinking to keep them balanced.
camera was a bit high, couldn't see the whole pack? from a run this morning, I figured, to rather accept a heavier pack with less bounce, as opposed to super light, with bounce..?
Diederik le Grange I included lots of cuts to full-body footage.
This might be a dumb question, but why is it called a 5 liter if the bottles are only 1 liter combined?
The “5 liter” designation refers to the overall storage capacity of the vest and has nothing to do with the amount of liquid storage. Hope this helps.
my question is, how to store my running sticks while i´m in a race
Salomon makes a quiver specially to mount on this pack, from right shoulder down the back. Works great for holding folding stocks and lots of elites use it for UTMB etc.
Please review asics gel-ds trainer 23!!!
dovetail.
nailed it
I'm guessing you won't be reviewing the new $179 Raidlight Gilet Responsiv 10L then.... "epic fail" on price and equally annoying name. But it is getting rave reviews for the same reasons you like the Salomon pack. Ultra, ultra light. And if I win the giveaway on Runner's World at the end of the month, I'll be wearing one. It would be nice to know that it has the Ginger Runner stamp of approval. Otherwise, it would be very embarrassing to get caught wearing the most expensive hydration vest in the solar system. Of course, I could weasel out of the shame with "Hey! I won this thing! It's the best free vest I ever owned!"
Just sad Salomon in very expensive in South Africa
Yo first
Too many dislikes for me
I just feel like these things are hopelessly overpriced for what they are. I get that it's a niche product but 150 for this little material? There are actually a few brands who sell pretty similar stuff for 30-50 $ which seems about right.
Pletzmutz I haven’t seen any packs with this build/design anywhere close to 30-50!! Link me please!
Yikes $155 😬
Ginger, you’re cutting off most of your torso the ENTIRE time which is obviously impossible to see any of the features of the product you’re trying to show. Move your camera around to really show off the product you’re talking about and reviewing. Otherwise it’s just a talking head that we could just listen to the audio of. 👊
Thanks for the fEedBaCk