e53: Tamiya Blackfoot ORV Series Zero Toe-In Steering Knuckles
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2017
- Thank you for watching my video! The Blackfoot Zero Toe-In Knuckle in the video can be found here:
Part Number: P/N 058012-00
Link to shapeways:
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These are compatible with the vintage and re-release Blackfoot, Monster Beetle and Mud Blaster.
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I put Traxxas Stampede 2wd front suspension assembly on mine. Worked a treat! Plus now has hexs on the front
Nice!
I just got mine for my RE-Release Monster Beetle. Thanks for making the video and great parts.
Sure thing! Glad you like them!
Wow, awesome fix, just ordered.
Glad you liked it!
Great concept! Ordered, then delivered far ahead of scheduled shipping date, thank you! 3mm drill bit is a must as my first attempt with an 1/8" (3.175mm) drill left a little too much play. A #32 (2.9464mm) drill bit was a bit small, but a bit of reaming with the bit gave perfect size holes. With my background of having aligned front ends on cars and trucks for 10 years, I understand bump steering. This is a dramatic improvement over the built in bump steer, and ends putting an excess upward pressure on the steering servo causing the servo horn to strip the servo horn retaining screw. Good Stuff!
Indeed, it’s pretty hard to find metric bits depending on your location.
@@AMPROEngineering I was just too impatient to wait for a 3mm bit via online order, lol. Your system works very well, really tamed the "dart and dive" type effect on steering control. MIP diff with updated axle shafts, stock kit shocks, the handling is dramatically improved, like a different car completely! Thanks again!
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i have a red ORV blackfoot truck...
i took parts off and keep truck plastic body...
i put half gray ORV on the traxxas stampede chassic...
perfect and good running well
Very nice!
That was, Yes, a demonstration that speaks for itself. Might have to Pick this one up :-)
I was surprised that this worked.
Now THAT is a good, simple fix!! I LOVE the ORV vehicles! I never liked the faults. You are systematically improving every one! Getting rid of the bumpsteer is a big one. And so simple! Yes I know, figuring out the geometry wasn't simple, but the result is genius in its simplicity!!
I will NEVER bash CRP. They've done so much for the Hobby. But I do remember using their steering arms, and still had some bumpsteer.... although not as much.
I sent you some information about some findings on our little project, and a short story of my stupidity!! 😠😠😢
At least one item I bought from your store is going to use right away. I ordered your Blackfoot tail light LED buckets and "F-O-R-D" lettering kit. I'm about to "research" to see if they'll work on my new Landfreeder....
Wish me luck!
....... I should try to get a Blackfoot too - but unfortunately, I'm not getting ANYTHING for awhile. 😣😣
Wow the landfreeder...now that is a good idea!
Excellent 👍
Thank you!
Tamiya should give every Blackfoot Operator an apology letter and these new parts free. I actually feel like I have a plastic knife in my back!
Yes, yes I totally agree with you. They should also apologize for the stupid differential.
I saw some of your videos, very well done! I subscribe to your channel 👍
Well thank you very much! I am glad you like them.
I love all the suspension upgrades you make for these ORV cars. I had an original Monster Beetle back in 1986, and recently finished both the Monster Beetle and Blackfoot Re-Release kits. I really like your rear suspension conversion, and will be adding this to my Monster Beetle. The real suspension downfall on the ORV cars has always really been the front end IMO though. The stubby arms and super wide outer knuckle assembly having pivot point sooooo far in from the centerline of the wheel just transmit any force applied to the front tire (Like landing off a jump for example) into a pulling on the lower control arm, and pushing of the upper control arm resulting in a binding of the pivot points as opposed to any actual suspension reaction. Have you ever considered designing a front long arm suspension conversion? That entire outer assembly needs to just go away... I literally can design and draw the entire thing out in my head, and on paper, but don't have the cad skills to make the STL files yet. I have a 3D printer now and am just getting started...
I totally agree. The front end is bad too. I am planning to so something to that front end when I get started on the frog again! Not to mention the King Blackfoot which is somehow worse!
Wow
Yeah it was a big help
Stop making so many great parts! LOL. Found your channel just after the MIP ball diff presale ended and ended up paying full price from MIP. Glad I could support their efforts and get a great diff. Have the diff and a Blackfoot kit waiting to be built. Hoping to just do one Shapeways order to get started but you keep rolling out great parts with another to come. I'm going to stick with stock rear suspension design for now but will grab your stainless braces and the not yet released I suspect (plus more for the front end).
Any thoughts on centering up the steering servo since there's no MSC servo needed and getting equal length tie rods? I haven't checked to see how close the center pair of holes is to fitting a servo directly so it may be a non-issue and more or less drop in. I probably ought to get my 3D printer going and try to make something with PLA if needed. So many projects, so little time!
Hahah! Sorry? LOL. I haven't done a centered servo since someone on Shapeways makes a nice one already. Ill try and find the link.
Hi All,
It's my first time building the blackfoot I am surprised at the front damper stay. It attaches with 2 nuts and bolts where the bolt will only allow the nut to tighten so far. Obviously this is so the front arms can move freely but it means the damper stay has some play. As far as I can tell the only additional support will come front a single screw at the front centre and by attaching it to the dust cover. The damper stay moves back and forth easily (among other things). Despite wanting it as a kid, I regret buying the Blackfoot of all my Tamiyas.
Will order some of your parts before completing the build...keep up the nice work.
Oh, any advice on the play anyone? Thanks!
Yeah there is a lot of play in that front end. Sadly, that is just how it is. You will feel better when you have it put together and drive it around. This was never intended to be a hardcore racer and couple that to the fact that it is now 30 years old...my has technology moved forward. Keep at it and when you drive it around it will make you feel like a kid again. They are fun toys.
I agree, thank you for the response. Look forward to your other products in the future.
sweet!
Thank Shawn!
Steering does seem to be an issue on lots of Tamiya model's, a good mod for the ORV models. 👍
OMG totally. It is like they think "turning" isn't that important....looking at you CC01!
Can you do a subscription service so I just get the parts delivered once they are designed and ready? So many good parts I need to order.
Hahah! I like that idea.
This is a genius idea. I keep watching these videos and my shopping list gets longer and longer...
Nice job, looks good! I enjoyed the video. I think it's "Zero Toe-in", not camber though.
UHG. Yes you are right. I was working on a zero camber mod too and my brain can only process one thing at a time.
So love what you are doing here with your Tamiya Re-Engineering! I have watched so many of these vids. What I have ordered from Shapeways was top notch and worked perfectly! So with this bump steering fix, would it work on a Super Blackfoot? I just picked up one of these the other day and I did notice the A-arms (or whatever you'll them) are a bit longer than the original Blackfoot. Other than that it all looks fairly similar up front upon my quick inspection. Many thanks for what you are doing here!
That is a good question. I do not own one so I am sorry to say that I just don't know. As I recall the front end was just wider but I do not know about any of the details. It may be otherwise the same? Maybe someone will chime in .
You know it dawned on me after reading your post... I have the re-release Monster Beetle. I'll order the part and if it doesn't work with my Super Blackfoot then I will put it on the Beetle which could certainly use it. If know one has chimed in by then I will report back.
Purchased this item a few months ago and installing it had issues with the axle going through the bigger hole had to drill it out.
It should require reaming as the printed surface is not tolerance-able . You did it correctly.
@@AMPROEngineering Holding mine in my hand as we speak. The axle isn't sliding in like yours. What size bit do you recommend to open the hole? Too afraid to mess this up!
Nice and simple! Will it works on DT 01 Mad Bull?
I would have to say no but I have no way of testing. Sorry!
Is this upgrade just for the big-wheeled ORV vehicles? I still haven't built my Brat kit yet and I'm curious if the Brat also has the bump-steer issue.
Yeah for the time, that kit will only work on the big wheeled ones. I will address the little wheel cars as well as the King Blackfoot soon.
Do you suggest we adopt the Blackfoot front end suspension along with your Zero Toe-In Knuckle for the Frog? But the way how to mount the shock will be another issue.
Right now I would not. The BF front end is "better" than the frog but still awful. I will be working on a revised Frog front end soon.
Please let me be the first person you let know definitely interested in them I've been looking at every single King black for a truck on this UA-cam asking them if they want to sell them just for those parts I have brand new another truck with the sheet would that work for you to scan it
Will do
I was wondering if you ever got to the king Blackfoot parts please comment back thank you and please be safe you and your family
When they are done a video will be published here
@@AMPROEngineering OK I'll just wondering how far they are on the list
Wonder if you started doing Those parts yet because I'm gonna want to pieces that you made for this truck to
You will see them here when I do.
@@AMPROEngineering If you could try get in touch with me I'll even give you my number
Have you ever did the king Blackfoot parts for the front end still waiting to see if you do them
You will see them here when I get to them. I have been swamped.
AMPRO Engineering okay I was just curious if you got to him yet no harm asking
Sure thing.
I could also really do with these.
Where can I get those parts do you sell them or do I have to find somebody else comment back
Marti Neps hello, there is a link to my store in the description as well as the part number for these knuckles. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks!
Are these parts good for the monster beetle and for the Brat pick up please comment back thank you
Monster beetle yes, brat no.
Just like you have, and I bought it in purple color for my Daughters Black Edition Monster Beetle, I was wondering if you could make something similar to these knuckles for the Lunchbox and the Pumpkin? I have already taken a rubber spacer inside the shock body and corrected the massive mega camber that looked and performed ridiculously. I could get rid of the Bump steering with one of your knuckles. What do you think? I don't think design-wise there would be too much to investigate before you came up with a proto! I want to buy the suspension kits for Double Wish, but I have to be careful with my pennies if what is being said fiscally rears its head. I'm a single dad and I have to get two suspension kits for my Son's Metalic Pump and the family project Lunchbox.
The pumpkin is a bit of a problem due to the other suspension issues it has like the camber gain. I can take a look and see if there is a simple solution
@@AMPROEngineering It is wonderful that we can actually talk to you directly. Thanks for being there for the questions. Let me clarify a bit. The bump steer correction knuckles you have for the Blackfoot, Monster Beet, and so on, on the ORV chassis, I believe would be a good idea for the Pump and Lunchbox. If you take and simply ad rubber spacers to your shocks on the front end of the Pump and L-Box(inside to reduce the long stroke and bring the wheels up to level, with the rear tires, when viewed from the front, all that is left is to correct the bump steer issue that will happen when the A-Arm travels the rest of the way up along its arc. Yes, I understand that we have different suspensions in the ORV and the CW-01, but the way that your modified knuckles get rid of Bump steer in the ORV might just work on the CW-01.
I need these for my CW-01
ua-cam.com/video/hyR040Lauug/v-deo.html
you ever think of some sort of bolt on fenders for the grasshopper and hornets? I think something like that would look amazing.
Hmmm, like that would cover the wheels? That is a hell of thought....i wonder....
Yes the front wheels, maybe the rear. I think it would add an awesome flare to the buggies
May need to look at that.
that would be awesome.
The part that hooks up to the shock then to the front end parts did you ever make that yet I wanna redo the whole foreign and of my king black FOOT before get worse
No but I will do a buyers guide on it soon.
@@AMPROEngineering OK I can't wait to see that
I need these. I am working on and giving my 4 year old Daughter my Vintage 1986 Blackfoot with FORD badges. She needs anything to keep it going straight. Please help me get a set of these.
Links in the description. They are all on our shapeways store.
Did you ever make those parts yet for the king Blackfoot please comment back and let me know thank you
They are in progress.
@@AMPROEngineering I can't wait to get Get my hands on them
Yeah what is soon and I have a sheet brand new that you can go off of if I have a brand new truck that I never put together
Sorry Marti I don't know. I am super back logged with actually work but I am planning on it.
How do I purchase parts. I dont see everything i need for my Black foot like the zero toe-in on eBay?
I do not sell on ebay. The link to all my parts are in the video description.
The part that goes that you're showing right now the part that it goes into do you make those parts those are my interest parts please comment back for the king Blackfoot
Sorry man I don't make that but I have plans for KBF parts soon. I would look on ebay or the Tamiya FB pages.
Anybody complaining about adjustable steering bracket screws? Is it possible that you can’t find upgrades with robust double turn screws for steering? I have to remove and adjust them so often over the brass ball joint...
Oh for sure, very annoying. You can find them for other applications and then trim them down for this truck. the are M3 threads.
What you have to do is make a video on everything that you make for this one RC truck I would like to have a few sets of these and I would like to know other things that you've made For this truck please comment back I have 3 of these trucks and I would like to fix them all
I will do a "My Car" video on this after the buyers guide.
@@AMPROEngineering OK because I like to get everything for these trucks
Great videos!! Looking forward to buying some parts for my Hornet soon.
Do you have an email, that I can contact you through??
Sure, amproengineering@gmail.com
I have vintage crp steering nuckels that I got on ebay and installed them on my rerelease beetle along with aluminium front shock tower and aluminium rear body post supports and crp lower suspension arms with brass bushing inserts but while building my beetle the chassis cracked at the front end where the suspension and shock tower connect,do you have any plans to make a front body post like the one on your ford f-150
Your kidding? Was it a vintage chassis? That is lame! When you say front body post, you mean the one on my brat with the green F150 shell? That one is the stock mount so I just want to be sure I haven't forgot something I designed.
the chassis was my re-release monster beetle but I contacted tamiya and they sent me a new replacement chassis,and yes the body post on the front of your brat with the green f150 sorry about the confusion
I will send you some pictures when I complete the rest of my build then I'll just have to buy a four MIP ball diffs for each of my orv's
OH gotcha. The front body post on the F150 on the Brat chassis is actually the brat body mount. I just unscrewed it a bit. Seemed to work great!
Yes please! I would hurry and buy one, I just hear from MIP they were either out or almost out!
I am gonna probly order those the same time you have departs for the king Blackfoot Because I bought the remake of the black floor and I would like to Fix the front and before it gets too badd I don't use it that often I would rather use to king black fog please comment back if and when you know when you're gonna get to the king Blackfoot parts
Very soon actually. The list is getting down to the KBF
@@AMPROEngineering Thank you very much please let me know when you have the parts
that's a nice upgrade! ...How did you like my part suggestion worth making?
Thank you! I just watched it and I will email you in a sec.
This video is linked to the 058009-01 ORV Battery Access Door on Shapeways. In fact it looks like the text for that whole page may be mixed up. Is there a video for the battery door?
That's weird. The video linked in the shapeways description of the battery door ( shpws.me/MPef ) shows the video where I install it. Let me know if you see that on your end. Can you also tell me where this video is linked to that part? I cant find it and want to fix it! Thank you. amproengineering@gmail.com
@@AMPROEngineering So when I click the link to YT on the Shapeways battery access door product page, it takes me to the ORV double wishbone install video.
But the battery access door install is actually on the ORV double wishbone suspension testing video. I hope I'm saying that right.
Plus the first paragraph of the product description on the Shapeways ORV battery door page talks about the double wishbone suspension.
I see the problem. The "installation" link for the battery door goes to E35. The "operation" link goes to the proper E37.
@@65BAJA Ok I see the problem. Yeah it was initally a cut and paste of the build. The video at the bottom of the Shapeways page is the correct installation video. That should do it. I changed the description to reference the video at the bottom of the page. Thanks for pointing this out.
@@AMPROEngineering I'll be ordering two of these and the battery doors as well. Got to complete my Blackfoot and Frog builds.
Could you de-ackerman steering the orv derivatives?
I am thinking about that one.
AMPRO Engineering that's the issue with the steering for sure and I reckon I have the design for it. I'll get it to you.
I'm just saying that front end needs a revamp those metal bars that bolt into the bumper ??? I don't get it
Yeah it's all very odd. I mean we are looking at the beginnings of RC but those strut rods were pull right off of real cars. The Frog needed actual a-arms and not those upper and lower links.
Do you still make these? Haven’t seen it on the ampro website
Sure do! There is a link in the description.
@@AMPROEngineering ahh sweet……gonna order them on Friday
Do you have this upgrade for an original Tamyia Super Blackfoot?
I do not but I am planning on looking at the SBF and KBF very soon!
Awesome. I will be watching for it!
is the blue toy car behind blackfoot a Fiat Ritmo?
Yes it is! Well spotted. It is one of my favorite cars. I have three full size ones; 2 US models (called Stradas here) and one imported Ritmo cabrio.
ahahah!... it was my father's car when I was little!
nice car!
Oh very nice!
Any plans on double wish bone front end
Not just yet but when I built my project frog with the new rear suspension, I discovered how truly awful the front end is. I think I may...
AMPRO Engineering please keep me posted I'll be the first in line.
Will do!
are you going to be working on those parts anytime soon or no
Sorry man, I have a pile of work ahead of me right now. I think it will be a few months. This is all just hobby fun stuff for me so I do it when I need a prat but I will say that I am working on my KBF and it is a pile so I will may be moved up the list a little bit.
AMPRO Engineering all right if you ever need those pieces that I've got cuz I got the whole F sheet let me know
AMPRO Engineering really I got the whole truck I have every sheet there so if needed let me know
Cool thank you!
Can you still get these?
Yes, there are links to them in the video description.
Did you ever make the parts for the king Blackfoot yet would love to know Please comment back and let me know thank you very much please be safe by now
When I make them, I will show the video here.
@@AMPROEngineering OK is it gonna be any time soon or don't you know
Can I adopt this system to my Frog??
Sorry the front steering setup is completely different. I do plan on looking at the frog soon. Sorry about that.
Do a video on the Big Bubba, still got 2 of them :p (another great video) Im now learning Creo since blender and maya are annoying to do engineering in, because of you. ;)
Oh man! My best friend had one growing up! It was a great RC car! I wish I could do a video on them! What version of Creo? I am on 2.0 still.
Im using 3.0, ive not used 2.0 but from the vids ive seen on it, it doesnt seem so different. I could ship you one of mine to borrow, its in very good shape. ;)
Honestly, I might take you up on that! Radio and everything?
Yeah 2 and 3 are basically the same with some more FMX and tool kit options in 3.0. I use mold flow in 3.0 a lot.
AMPRO Engineering Yep, radio and all. Its the red variant the black one isnt nearly as photogenic lol. I still drive them both from time to time.
My Blackfoot will b here tmrw from tower hobbies,can't wait,first real build all on my own,I've had some tv's over the years worst truck ever was the kyosho USA 1 kit 4wd 4wheel steering 2 motor having junk! Worst thing I ever bought!
RCs
You know i have never owned one but I had friends that did. They all hated them and I wish I knew why.
Yes this is really annoying i must say some stock parts are so crapy lol Great upgrade!
Sometimes I wonder if they did any testing before release, lol.
Yea i thought the same thing, They probably didint do any & just went to Mass production lol.
agreed.
Alright I feel dumb. Ordering blackfoot and would like to add all of your modifications to it....this is when feeling dumb hits lol. Tried following vids with parts list..anyway you could list the full complete as in a full upgrade kit? Dont mean to sound or seem like a pain in tbye ass. Yes I get lost with trying to track parts list. Blame a blonde!! 😆 blonde moments suck. Lol
Hey George, it isnt your blondness, haha! The ordering is a pain and it does not help that I made all these different versions with options. Shapeways USED to have a way to buy a set but it doesnt work anymore. If you like, I can do a couple things. 1. Give me your shapeways info and I can add everything to your cart that you want 2. Buy it for you and mail it to you when I get it 3. Make you a list. Let me know your thoughts but either way you will need to get the hardware.
mmmm i want some marshmallows now
Hahah!
do yo have body posts and/or switch mount for the blackfoot?
No clue. I have a few drawers of parts for these cars but check the FB Groups. That is where I get everything.
Nearly every Tamiya model I have ever seen has terrible steering geometry. Even the new models are not great.
It is something that was ok in the 80's for lower end cars but how can they manage that today still?