You can definitely tell that this was a documentary that was originally JUST supposed to be a long form history of Vince McMahon and the WWE. But then they hastily changed direction halfway through production once the allegations came out.
@@TheHairyGorillayeah it wasnt nothing new for us hardcore fans but i think this was more so for the folks outside the fandom. Like your aunt or uncle knows the name hulk hogan and what he looks like but thats about all they know lol
@@kant5696 I'd say it can also be interesting for some who don't know anything about WWE at all. I'm on episode 5, and I've been bored so far tbh as I've seen so much of Vince crushing the territories, the birth of wrestlemania, the steroid scandal, the Monday night war, and the screw job so many times before. My girlfriend though, she doesn't watch wrestling at all, so this is her first time seeing any of it and she's finding it entertaining. It just comes across as something for casuals or people who don't watch wrestling at all.
Not talking a lot about his childhood on the first episode was a missed opportunity. Getting to dive deep into some of it would give us some clarity on why he's the way he is
Apparently there was alot of footage about his childhood & a dive into how he was sexually abused when he was younger that they didn't include, word is they didn't want to make him sympathetic
@Lamb2Lionz that's what I was thinking. They don't want to explore the villains origin story Ha! I made that comment before I listened to the commentary from Corny
if they had footage about his childhood and didnt include it, thats bullshit. even when true crime talks about serial killers, they bring up their rough childhood
@@whogivesacrap186 its partially true though because without him, WWE would not be popular as it is today. Plus he main evented all those first time ever ppvs
Whether I was listening on my phone speaker, on a blutooth speaker, or with my headphones.. I have never once picked up any noise on Brian's end that even somewhat remotely resembled that of gardeners.
No doubt that Vince McMahon being abandoned by his biological father, then abused by his stepfather, and then what appears to be sexually abused by his mother definitely had an effect on the person Vince would become.
@@MrChrisStingrayI know it doesn't have to be said, but I very much appreciate you stating that he hadn't dealt with it rather than just exonerated him. Sometimes it is nature, sometimes it is nurture. But some of us have been shattered by things like that. It makes us NOT want to become the people who terrorised us, to safeguard others from it, and to hang in there. (I'm dangling more days than not) Probably don't have to, but so many people speak like they know when they don't and make incredibly irresponsible and to some degree even hurtful assumptions that only set out to alienate/quash people. So good for you guy. 👍🏻
well then he should have understood the difference between good and evil, the pain of being abused, exploited yet he did the same to others. he still did those deeds knowing full well what it was. from his young age to even now. you people disgust me, he had a sibling too right why didnt he turn out the way he did. rotten world with horrible people like you defending this stuff and putting a spin to it. as the LORD God of hosts says- woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! isaiah 5:20
@@meavid maybe, but mostly hes just a miserable old basterd that will never be happy because no matter how he is welcomed or how much he is paid to appear...he will never be satisfied
Yeah and if you listen to Jim here he actually appreciates it. You know, you can mock the guy for his self important attitude and all that but he knows his history, and he has been here for a very long time.
Same in Brody's Dark Side. Tony is a truth teller. Regardless of his demeanor that people less brave or genuine than him will sneer at, and everyone jokes about his sexual proclivities, but none of that matters. He's a good man.
For everyone saying it's "just recycling the same old stories"; these aren't necessarily stories that are that well known outside of the wrestling bubble. Keep in mind that this is a Netflix documentary for a general audience
No, *everyone* in the world already knows everything about Vince McMahon and the history of the WWE. It definitely can't be that internet smarks live in a wrestling nerd bubble or anything...
@CyborgElbow - It also puts a lot of Vince's more bizarre responses in an interesting context: This is what he wants the general, non-smark crowd to think of him and WWF/E
Being honest, I do feel that way, but it's because of the way they marketed it. They hyped up unprecedented access to Vince and that he was going to let people know the real man behind the character, and that's not what made it on screen. If they actually do have a lot more interview footage about Vince's private life and childhood but didn't want to let him look sympathetic as many rumors are saying, it's both a garbage move and missed opportunity. Either way, my butthurt take on it is really just my own fault for buying into the hype, and I should probably have known better.
Yup, honestly looking back at it, they did the right move letting Bret go, since wwf wanted to focus on younger talent. I wish tony Khan screws Jericho over so Jericho can leave
@@Devypocalypse yeah. Bret was 40 at that time and Shawn was only 33. Plus Vince knew that he had to get rid of Bret in order to make way for guys like Steve Austin, rock, HHH, mankind, undertaker, and Kane to rise up
i actually enjoyed Vince on commentary as a kid, and Vince is equally as skilled on the mic as any of the boys in the locker room and he could chemistry with almost anybody.
I'm enjoying it, but it feels like about 80% A&E biography of the WWF/E, and 20% about Vince himself. The big additions are the more focused segments and writing that Vince has been and is being investigated(also the fact that Vince paid Chatterton millions in 2023 was not known to me)
100% agree. Other than a soundbite or two there was nothing in the six hours I hadn't heard before because I know about the WWE. What I don't know much about, and I don't think most of us do, is Vince. And we still don't.
it's sad but you find it with any veteran of a contact sport - they tend to recall their career very well since it was their life, but the ramifications of putting themselves through all that comes at the cost of their life after they retire, many do just not function well or suit normal life at all.
@@PontFlairPiper was referring to Hogan beating McMahon at WM19. Hogan technically did pin Piper dressed as ‘Mr.America’, on an episode of Smackdown, but that was such a parody it was hard to watch
I think it's pretty apparent that Vince was sexually assaulted by his stepdad and his mother, and that greatly contributed to how he turned out as an adult, along with this inferiority complex, along with his idolization of his father, all that. And definitely, that wish to kill his stepfather.
Yeah, he really said that without saying that. Explains partially why Vince is such a fighter. But also explains partially why he was so ok with sexual/verbal abuse on his own part...it's a cycle.
@@TellemG oh really I should be put on a watch list because I don't agree with you? You are just another Mark blinded by your hatred from Vince mcmahon. I am all about innocent until proven guilty. And especially when the letter was shown in her handwriting a love letter for vince. Yeah I'm sorry he's not guilty. I love her Dingus lawyer he made her write that. Yes because he's a psychic now. He know this was going to happen so he needed the letter. Dude let's be honest here he could have every bit of evidence in the world he could have a video of her saying I consent to sex with Vince McMahon and you still wouldn't believe it. See that's what a low life you are. That's how this country works. If you have evidence you're not guilty. He has evidence. I think you need to be put on a list. Wow you were talking all that smack because I don't agree with you.
It was an overglorified A&E Biography. I get that they wanted to make something that EVERYONE could watch, but for the wrestling fans there was nothing new to be added that justified why it took so long to finish. The Janel Grant stuff takes up 15 mins of the LAST episode and it's mostly just reporters rehashing the stuff we already knew.
I’ve only seen the first two episodes so far and it allready seems all over the place they skipped so many things and get onto another semi related topic and go back to what they were talking about before, it was kinda confusing and I would have been even more lost if I didn’t allready know the story
@@Messwithmitchie Yeah, the pacing is incredibly off and some important stories are glossed over very quickly and other less relevant topics are given way more time.
Yeah, sounds about right. The stuff from the last 2 ish years are still pending, so they had to rely on making a normal WWE doc and focusing in on Vince occasionally, but this is like 85% WWE/F and 15% Vince. They should have just shortened it to 2-3 episodes and focused solely on Vince. Who cares that Hogan wasn't drawing anymore or how the NWO came into being in a doc about Vince.
@@remloonWell good I don't care about that lying witch. It shocks me how many Hogan haters and Vince haters watch wrestling. I will take any era of wrestling over today. The politically correct snowflakes of ruined it.
Exactly. That's what this was for. The Netflix audience that are into true crime and netflix binging. Most don't realize. Wrestling is not that big anymore. Even in today's boom, there are way more nonfans/casuals than the IWC realizes.
Seen all six. It was NOT a burial imo. Meltzer was the most bearable I have seen him in a long time. Heyman was a massive kissass and apparently all talents not named Bret Hart or to a lesser extent, Tony Atlas, put their careers first even after they are over with before telling the truth about how things were. So I only gained any respect for these two and no one else. They have their integrity intact. The inconsistencies or incorrect interpretations weren't as rife as usual.
I knew we weren't going to get a whole lot when Jimmy Heart sat down and said I don't know what they want out there and Vince saying oh I wish I could tell you the real shit
I kind of feel Netflix wanted to turn this into a burial, but the most recent allegations are still pending, so they couldn't really go into detail about them. Other than that, this was more a series on the WWE/F, not Vince. Bruce is beyond useless in this. Meltzer was fine for a few notes here an there and was bearable, like you said. What we really wanted was for all the skeletons in Vince's closet to be discussed, and some of them were more so than an A&E doc would have been, but more time should have been spent on his business practices, like how he specifically screwed over other promoters, and threatened PPV companies not to run JCP, stuff like that. This was a doc really meant for the casual fan who doesn't really know the history of WWE/F. I still enjoyed it, but am failing to see why Vince would have such a huge problem with it.
I have to rewatch, but was there near as many "wrestler" talking segments in the last episode as the others? I can't remember and reason I ask is that was when news broke and I'm wondering if alot of what was shown wasn't already filmed before.. 🤔
Dave Meltzer actually said one thing on the documentary that was very intelligent that I didn't know he knew and that's when he said Vince McMahon realized that entertainment sold better than just wrestling matches.... From the way Dave talks over the years you would think that he wouldn't have admitted that😂😂
yeah, it's hilarious how it shows he only says whatever applies to the point of view of what he's talking about and not from the other side at the same time
I read the Vince McMahon book and it had a lotta details not broached by the Netflix series. McMahon Senior was loyal to the territory bosses and that is detailed in this book as well....he wouldn't say screw them...Vince is such a liar.
That contradicts with what he's always said, which was, "My father would have never sold the company if he knew what I would do to the territory system". Not an exact quote, but you get my drift.
the timeline is everything here. He prolly had said "screw them" when Vince was already on the top and it became obvious (in retrospective) that the territory system was dead and the whole industry was for the taking with cable TV; you could broadcast your local shows nationwide for almost the same money? Expansion was a no-brainer. Fritz Von Erich and Jim Crockett were also heading in the same direction as VKM, just that he had more money(and business acumen if you ask me) to act faster than them. The only ones swearing by the territories in the 80s were Gagne and a few 'old timers'; everybody moved on
It would be more unbelievable if VKM was a down to earth, humble, honest man. He’s been God of an entire industry for years, deciding, on a whim at times, the fate of those he employs. He’s a carny, who refuses to accept and is ashamed that he’s only had success in a carny world.
Not really, big disconnect between some of the talent's perception of his father and his impression. Allegations came out at end of project tipping towards talent's impression.
the biggest ball drop ever was not spending enough time covering Vince's childhood. We got just barely enough to say "oh that makes sense"... but not enough to actually understand the true origins of the monster knows as Mr. McMahon.
Vince Mcmahon tells camera episode one he does not want audience really knowing him. So it's like Kyser souze the subject's goal was present a work to make interviewer piece it together lol He wanted the interview to be assault on him but then new allegations emerged so he split
I believe Paul Heyman was there when Vince was interviewed (at least once) as in a later episode there's a voice which sounds like Paul and credited as such in subtitles.
Anyone who has worked with Paul knows you can't trust him as far as you can throw him. He's always been a carny sweet talker. He just also happens to be an amazing wrestling manager and booker.
@@mattm7798all the best names in wrestling management/promotion have always been carny barkers, in some way - cornette included - and *some* kinda brag about it
It's a carny business. You're there to entertain the audience while fleecing them of their hard earned dollars. The best personalities - Heyman, Cornett etc - embrace and celebrate this.
Vince has a serious issue with not being associated with his father and not calling it "wrestling" because "that's what my father called it". He desperately needs to believe in the myth of the self made man. That's why, when they changed to WWE and created the new publicly traded company, he started saying that he "founded" WWE. Technically that's true, but it does allow him to ignore his father's contribution. It was all him.. The whole "junior" thing, because he's not technically a junior is a red herring. Her objects to it because he sees it as minimizing him in some way, not because it's not "technically" true. It's also a casual, basically friendly reference and he can't stand anyone feeling comfortable being casual towards him. He wants to be the puppet master and to keep everyone on edge. He's not Vince. He's Mr. McMahon. He doesn't so much care if you respect him as long as you DEFER to him.
The Turner discussion is pretty much accidentally admission he can not be objective. He projected Turner was him circa 1982 and wanted to beat himself defeating Turner but aol/Bischoff just did it for him lol
@@wilcee238 Hero Matsuda actually tried to train Chuck Norris along with Hulk Hogan, but when hero would use the nunchucks on Hulk, Hogan Hulk was always able to Hulk Up I'd get back to his feet but Chuck would just get a cracked skull and lay there bleeding so that's why Verne Ganga Never hired Chuck and went with Hulk instead.
In a later episode, it’s revealed that Paul Heyman was assigned to be Vince’s handler in his interview sessions. Way to let Vince hang himself there, Paul E.
This documentary wasn’t an expose or hit piece like everyone wanted instead it was a bunch of public information with Vince’s perspective on it. And then a minor expose at the very end with not much else. 6/10
It was still interesting seeing them discuss stuff that was swept under the rug by WWE like the ring boy scandal, Owen Hart's death, Chris Benoit tragedy etc
I wanted a lot more on his childhood because as a former special ed teacher, hearing about those horror stories with what that wing was like in the 50s and 60s, especially in the rural areas like where Vince would have spent his elementary school years, is fascinating to me. Luke Gallows said the Festus gimmick was pitched to him as being one of Vince's old classmates, so given his dyslexia they probably tossed him into the self contained wing for a while. As others have said, there was likely going to be more of that until the allegations came out. It's harder to condemn a villain when you can understand his origin story: a screwed up childhood led to a screwed up man.
All I'm seeing online is "they didn't show anything we didn't already know" like every wrestling fan: a) lives in America b) were alive since 1984 c) dives deep into Vince McMahon lore I consider myself a hardcore fan from the Philippines. The fuck would I know about anything about Rita Chatterton and the ring boy stories unless it was brought up by Jim or if they were topical at the moment. The documentary had subtle moments hinting of "this could be BS" without outright being a hit piece. There are absolutely things they should've devoted more time to discuss, but that doesn't discount the whole documentary to not be good, because it was good.
Actually I fall in the criteria above ... it turns out Cody has mentioned Dusty as the first choice before Hogan in another interview but episode 1 had to be the first time Vince confirmed this , and it was the first time I heard this.
Vince is easily the most fascinating person in wrestling. Maybe less so for someone younger but there's limited information out there about him which most wrestling fans know.
Because Jim has talked about them before?. Unless you completely shelter yourself from every single piece of wrestling media not 100% produced by WWE, you should have reasonably heard about these things.
You are an exception to the rule. The vast majority of wrestling fans know the history of the sport. The vast majority of wrestling fans already know this information because it has already been covered in dozens of documentaries over the years, or was on the news. If you had ever watched a documentary about WWE, then you learned practically nothing new. You are an exception to the rule. The documentary that should have been for wrestling fans was a generic documentary for non-fans.
Most of the things on this documentary were known especially with the hardcore fans but they were finally all pieced together in a timeline and with actual past and present employees being interviewed. It’s great.
That lady's husband dies, so she sends Vince to his father...Officially Leo beat her and Vince tried to help. That's one side of history though. No stepmother's side or dead Leo's.
Like Corny, I wanted to hear more about Vince's upbringing. His childhood, before he meets his father, is really the source that directed his life. Of course, the worst talking head to me is Hogan. For him to pretend that he and Andre drew that Shea Stadium house in 1980 was absurd. Bruno and Zbysko drew that house..Hogan and Andre was like the fourth match on the card. I also didn't mind Meltzer, who sounded surprisingly reasonable.
he should have understood the difference between good and evil, the pain of being abused, exploited yet he did the same to others. he still did those deeds knowing full well what it was. from his young age to even now. you people disgust me, he had a sibling too right why didnt he turn out the way he did. rotten world with horrible people like you defending this stuff and putting a spin to it. as the LORD God of hosts says- woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! isaiah 5:20
Um if idk if you'd be put off considering the person that made the following vid, but if you're interested.....Adam Blampied back in his Whatculture days did a two parter on Vinnie Mac....the first part talks abt his childhood ua-cam.com/video/rfX8RQKesFc/v-deo.htmlsi=WDcB7iBeE7dRuiWf
The one thing I learned was the gorilla monsoon was the actual heir to the WWF. Man makes you wonder how everything would of went if Vince didn’t jump on it
My Uncle was the Police Chief in the area, and had run in with Vince when he ran the Colleseum. He HATED Vince, claimed Vince treated him bad, which is probably true, and still holds that grudge to this day. His hatred of Vince and wrestling lead to him telling my parents never to take me to WWF events, which they didn't. I first saw live wrestllng as an adult
I'm liking the old footage. Maybe not as juicy as people thought it might be, but there's still some interesting tidbits that make it worth watching imo
They have for whatever reason decided to take that away from Fink. Vince says here he dreamed it up on vacation and I saw the WrestleMania doc on the Network years ago, I do have the DVD, but it was on, so I watched it and they cut the segment of Fink discussing how he came up with the name.
After seeing all the episodes, I realized that Vince and WWE went from focusing on Hogan and talent to focusing on himself and his family as the main stars of the show. The amount of hubris and infatuation with crowd approval shown by the whole McMahon family is absurd. They were really addicted like crack fiends.
I watched it in 1987 as child and that was before Hasselhoff started doing weird dances, Hogan holding guitar distracted from Vince Mcmahon was trying to do Vegas Elvis Newton in 1987 but kids dont get references. so it was play by play guy hogging show.
amazing moment was Vince talking about his dad, saying the only time Vince Sr. told him he loved him was the day before he RIP'd. And it was the happiest day of his life And I couldn't tell if:) A) He was lying about his dad saying that he loved him B) If he was lying about his dad saying he loved him, and actually talking about the best day of his life being when Sr. passed C) If it was all an elaborate work and I was playing right into his hands
Purely speculation. What if Vince Sr got with a ring rat in NC and that night of passion created VKM. What if. Being there wasn’t any other connection or history. Just a one night VJM stand.
Stossel deserved it just for being snarky about it. Talking to anyone about anything that's that important to them in that manner is going to get you slapped. Should people handle things differently than that? Maybe, but if you act in a way that's likely to get you slapped and you get slapped, I don't have a ton of sympathy for you. Stossel knew what was going to happen. He HAD to know. It was a calculated risk and it drew him money, regardless of the lawsuit.
Because of all that I've read about McMahon over the years, this documentary didn't tell me anything new. For me, it just reassured my belief in Vince McMahon being the wrestling version of Televangelist, Jimmy Swaggart.
The documentary is basically 'The History of WWE... with Vince McMahon' but honestly, Netflix wouldn't do a documentary with Vince, the McMahon family and all the top stars if it was going to be a hit piece, especially with WWE shows going on Netflix.
Interesting to hear Jim´s view on this because I think he still has a soft spot for his former boss, which is absolutely understandable. Having watched the full doc, I think it was more of a catch-all for the average netflix viewer as oppose to a deep dive for those in the bubble. I am glad it wasnt a hit piece though. I know VKM has denounced it, but I think it was more or less a fair look at Vince.
he denounced it because it was supposed to be a documentary on his past and the history of the wwe, a comprohensive guide with people who was their opinions and additions to the story. however when the lawsuit came out netflix changed and edited the angle to be all about that instead
If the last part wasn't there I think he'd be fine with it. But overall it was a more pointed rehash of his McMahon DVD from the 2000s, a lot of the same stories except presented in a more Dark Side of the Ring sort of way rather than the "oh that crazy guy" kind of way that the DVD had.
I think Jim kinda has some respect for Vince and their dealings personally was always pleasant. Jim is the guy who uses his personal experience with someone rather going with the public opinion.
Knowing some of the personalities that were around back in the territory days, I'm honestly surprised that no one tried to kill Vince when he started his expansion.
@@Rjensen2 This was the same time period when Bruiser Brody was killed in a locker room so you definitely had some guys in the biz that would have done that for 100k.
This doc didn’t really show us anything we didn’t know, but seeing how certain people talk about Vince is crazy. Especially people like Bruce Pritchard, he’s such a kissass, it’s insane how he wouldn’t say anything negative about him at any point.
Cornette saying "that's not the Vince McMahon I knew" for over a year makes sense now. McMahon didn't want people to know what he was really like. He says this on the documentary. He wanted his "perception is reality" mantra to stick. Explains why Bruce is so gaslit about him also. I believe Bruce has always been kept at a distance by McMahon from what he was really like.
I fancy his mother was a fan at one of the shows when a young Vince Senior was cruising the territories. He knocked her up after the show, and when this woman from the trailer park approached him about the pregnancy, he didn't want to know. Completely baseless conjecture on my part, yes; but it would fit the narrative as to why Vince would maybe be embarrassed/ashamed of his past
8:51 My guess is they were originally going to interview him about the wrestling industry during the pandemic, possibly AEW, and the future of WWE in his point of view at that point in time
Something dawned on me after watching the first episode. I think Vince hated the words belt n hospital bc maybe they triggered feelings in him about the abuse he had as a child. Perhaps being beat with a belt so badly he had to go to the hospital? Or at least being threatened to be put in a hospital.
After Vince’s tweet I was really looking forward to this show. After watching it in full I was tremendously let down. Learn nothing new and Vince totally oversold it in his tweet.
"Vince would do the opposite, he would burn the house down" Vince would not only burn the house down, but then he'd erect a large, phallic tower right on the same plot of land.
Prichard being pissy with them at the end was hilarious. Amazing they didn't squeeze conrad Thompson in there too to bootlick and do a fuckin manscape ad 😂😂😂
Tony Atlas made this special. Bret Hart as well. I watched all 6 hours. I agree with Jim. More about his childhood should have been included. Vince is the creepy, maladjusted, Trump-like figure I always knew he was…but way more. Hogan is a stooge. I don’t care if he can travel back in time 😂😂😂😂
I'm a Saint Louis guy here. Mr. Costas isn't actually from here, he's from somewhere around New York State. One of his first jobs out of Syracuse University was with KMOX 1120 AM here in the mid-70's to call the Spirits of Saint Louis in the ABA. Once he "went National" he continued to have a house here and I think he considers Saint Louis his home but he was not born and raised here.
About Simmons and Shoemaker - they had an interview on Simmons' podcast about the doc and Simmons said he was like a 5/10 on wrestling history and Shoemaker is a 10/10. I almost had a literal spit take. Shoemaker is the guy who hosts the Ringer's wrestling podcast, a graphic designer with no experience in the wrestling business other than being a fan. He's no historian, he just convinced a guy with money and media connections that he is one.
Vince criticizing Hulk for not being honest on the Arsenio Hall show was a good one. Direct quote from Vince - “sometimes it’s better to just come clean “… lol how ridiculous
Someone said Tony Atlas was dressed like Fred Flintstone’s boss lol
He was great in this
Mah Peckah
Dude is funny as shit
Tony Atlas is a hell of a character but you can't deny he's really funny.
FLINTSTONE!!!!!
Lol damn.
You can definitely tell that this was a documentary that was originally JUST supposed to be a long form history of Vince McMahon and the WWE. But then they hastily changed direction halfway through production once the allegations came out.
On the 3rd one... Nothing new so far lol
Because that's what happened? It was a history of vince & wwe then the allegations came out! But great observations
@@TheHairyGorillayeah it wasnt nothing new for us hardcore fans but i think this was more so for the folks outside the fandom. Like your aunt or uncle knows the name hulk hogan and what he looks like but thats about all they know lol
Not even halfway through. More like the very end.
@@kant5696 I'd say it can also be interesting for some who don't know anything about WWE at all. I'm on episode 5, and I've been bored so far tbh as I've seen so much of Vince crushing the territories, the birth of wrestlemania, the steroid scandal, the Monday night war, and the screw job so many times before. My girlfriend though, she doesn't watch wrestling at all, so this is her first time seeing any of it and she's finding it entertaining. It just comes across as something for casuals or people who don't watch wrestling at all.
Not talking a lot about his childhood on the first episode was a missed opportunity. Getting to dive deep into some of it would give us some clarity on why he's the way he is
I don't think Vince remembers much about his childhood anyway
@@XFabe7 one he is nearly 80 and a lot of his memory will be fading and two given how bad it was maybe he doesn’t want to remember it.
Apparently there was alot of footage about his childhood & a dive into how he was sexually abused when he was younger that they didn't include, word is they didn't want to make him sympathetic
@Lamb2Lionz that's what I was thinking. They don't want to explore the villains origin story
Ha! I made that comment before I listened to the commentary from Corny
if they had footage about his childhood and didnt include it, thats bullshit. even when true crime talks about serial killers, they bring up their rough childhood
Hulk saying he called the match with the Iron Sheik, I laughed so hard when I heard that
Hulk Hogan invented WrestleMania .. Summerslam... Survivor Series ... just ask him .. he will tell you
@@whogivesacrap186 its partially true though because without him, WWE would not be popular as it is today. Plus he main evented all those first time ever ppvs
@@mrnicemam8523 But it wasn't his idea, hell big shows like starrcade were a thing long before Hogan was even working with vince.
That was hilarious! 🤣
Hogan is great, until he opens his mouth
Linda is the female ric flair. Has looked 70 since 1992
More JJ Dillon then 😊
@breno7950 also a fair comparison
Flair has been cursed with fleshlessness and must use a ritual to regain his human form.
His chosen one is said to be a girl with green eyes...
Do ya really blame Vince for not wanting to hit that. I don't blame him I would have been with other women to
@@christopherbaker9676 she definitely got financially taken care of. I'd wager she was also having affairs.
"my balls are itching and he ain't scratching shit". That cracked me up
I spit my drink at that.
Are we ever gonna tell Brian that we never hear the gardeners
Ive heard them a few times, it does not bother me in anyway. I actually like it when there are outside noises. are there.
Whether I was listening on my phone speaker, on a blutooth speaker, or with my headphones.. I have never once picked up any noise on Brian's end that even somewhat remotely resembled that of gardeners.
I think he might live in a wacky part of NY where if somebody cues gardeners he's being listened to very close. Unless it's his gardeners whatever.
We really need to tell him we don’t care about what he thinks if it doesn’t have Cornette name on it. Idk what he personally has against Vince.
@@sampleoffers1978he lives in Middletown, NJ. A suburban in Monmouth county.
No doubt that Vince McMahon being abandoned by his biological father, then abused by his stepfather, and then what appears to be sexually abused by his mother definitely had an effect on the person Vince would become.
I was thinking the same thing. He never dealt with these and I think that was the main component of his downfall.
@@MrChrisStingrayI know it doesn't have to be said, but I very much appreciate you stating that he hadn't dealt with it rather than just exonerated him.
Sometimes it is nature, sometimes it is nurture. But some of us have been shattered by things like that. It makes us NOT want to become the people who terrorised us, to safeguard others from it, and to hang in there. (I'm dangling more days than not)
Probably don't have to, but so many people speak like they know when they don't and make incredibly irresponsible and to some degree even hurtful assumptions that only set out to alienate/quash people. So good for you guy. 👍🏻
@ltothemagain that's what happens when someone becomes physically and sexually abused
well then he should have understood the difference between good and evil, the pain of being abused, exploited yet he did the same to others. he still did those deeds knowing full well what it was. from his young age to even now. you people disgust me, he had a sibling too right why didnt he turn out the way he did. rotten world with horrible people like you defending this stuff and putting a spin to it. as the LORD God of hosts says- woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! isaiah 5:20
Yep. He looks like a pretty classic case of the cycle of abuse, tragically.
Hey Bret, describe your relationship with Vince Mcmahon.
I was a true artist.
He’s the best lol
He’s a narcissist.
@@meavid maybe, but mostly hes just a miserable old basterd that will never be happy because no matter how he is welcomed or how much he is paid to appear...he will never be satisfied
@@meavid when did he tell a lie? He’s one of the best to ever do it in the ring
😂😂
This doc had way too much Meltzer.
@@wozthescott2804 honestly I thought he was one of the more sane minds. He knows his shit Shoemaker was by FAR the worst
Vince bullshido needed someone to counter bullshido
Tbf, he was provably the best talking head.
I didn't had much problem with Uncle Dave on doc.
Yeah and if you listen to Jim here he actually appreciates it. You know, you can mock the guy for his self important attitude and all that but he knows his history, and he has been here for a very long time.
Tony Atlas stole the show
Honest guy
Yeah, he did a great job!
Same in Brody's Dark Side.
Tony is a truth teller. Regardless of his demeanor that people less brave or genuine than him will sneer at, and everyone jokes about his sexual proclivities, but none of that matters. He's a good man.
He came off as honest and fair. I'm glad he cleared the record on Pat Patterson.
Absolutely. Tony has always been a straight shooter. He's a great interview.
For everyone saying it's "just recycling the same old stories"; these aren't necessarily stories that are that well known outside of the wrestling bubble. Keep in mind that this is a Netflix documentary for a general audience
No, *everyone* in the world already knows everything about Vince McMahon and the history of the WWE. It definitely can't be that internet smarks live in a wrestling nerd bubble or anything...
@CyborgElbow - It also puts a lot of Vince's more bizarre responses in an interesting context: This is what he wants the general, non-smark crowd to think of him and WWF/E
@@CyborgElbowyeah even my mom was mad at the documentary bc she knew all these wwe stories busy didn’t get much on Vince
Being honest, I do feel that way, but it's because of the way they marketed it. They hyped up unprecedented access to Vince and that he was going to let people know the real man behind the character, and that's not what made it on screen.
If they actually do have a lot more interview footage about Vince's private life and childhood but didn't want to let him look sympathetic as many rumors are saying, it's both a garbage move and missed opportunity. Either way, my butthurt take on it is really just my own fault for buying into the hype, and I should probably have known better.
@@CyborgElbowNo. It definitely is. Because, there are people, like me, who are not interested in inside entertainment stuff.
The twitterverse is saying Tony Atlas is the real MVP of the doc series.
Bruiser brody will disagrees
Rio rogers, whoops i mean bruce pritchard will disagree with you!
I really want Jim Cornet and a Bret Hart podcast reviewing wrestling.
Would be phenomenal
We all do.
But it came out last year that Jim came up with the idea for the Montreal screw job.
When Triple H said it was his idea I about lost my mind
Dream come true!
I’m waiting for Cornette’s reaction to Triple H taking credit for the Montreal
Screwjob idea a few episodes down the line
Yup, honestly looking back at it, they did the right move letting Bret go, since wwf wanted to focus on younger talent. I wish tony Khan screws Jericho over so Jericho can leave
@@mrnicemam8523younger as in Shawn Michaels?!
@@Devypocalypse yeah. Bret was 40 at that time and Shawn was only 33. Plus Vince knew that he had to get rid of Bret in order to make way for guys like Steve Austin, rock, HHH, mankind, undertaker, and Kane to rise up
@@mrnicemam8523 The Bret-Shawn Discussion is soo over talked about. You've not said anything new
He’s probably delighted he’s not being blamed for nearly killing the business
I have a contrarian take: I liked VKM as an announcer and he had great chemistry with Jesse Ventura.
He wasn't shitting on any bodies head at that point......(AFAIK)
i actually enjoyed Vince on commentary as a kid, and Vince is equally as skilled on the mic as any of the boys in the locker room and he could chemistry with almost anybody.
Agree re: VKM and Jesse
I agree but Jesse was good with everyone. I also liked him with Gorilla Monsoon, "Give me a break"
I really dont get why Vince gets a bad rap as a commentator. For me it was only him adoring hbk. Other than that, thought he was great
Jimmy Hart looked uncomfortable. He questioned whether he should say anything or not. That was interesting.
Yeah I noticed that, it’s interesting
I'm not sure Jimmy has a bad thing to say about anybody, especially while filmed lol
I almost cried when Tony Atlas started talking about his “pecka” and the guy behind the camera said “you’re what?”
This was nothing special it was basically a 6 hr introduction to the WWE on netflix
I'm enjoying it, but it feels like about 80% A&E biography of the WWF/E, and 20% about Vince himself. The big additions are the more focused segments and writing that Vince has been and is being investigated(also the fact that Vince paid Chatterton millions in 2023 was not known to me)
100% agree. Other than a soundbite or two there was nothing in the six hours I hadn't heard before because I know about the WWE. What I don't know much about, and I don't think most of us do, is Vince. And we still don't.
6 hours? lol ill skip
@@83442handle vice does better with documentaries ill just say that
True the last episode is the only one worth watching. That being said the way they set up Prichard in that one was amazing
People always say Tony Atlas isn’t very bright but he was great in this.
Why because he says bolivia instead of oblivion? 😂😂
Seriously though, he was great!
it's sad but you find it with any veteran of a contact sport - they tend to recall their career very well since it was their life, but the ramifications of putting themselves through all that comes at the cost of their life after they retire, many do just not function well or suit normal life at all.
He's possibly intellectually brilliant,, but he's stunted emotionally into degree of masochism/worse for his bosses.
Man, Vince aged like a 100 year old ham and cheese sandwich in a Time capsule.
He had to get off the gear so he wouldn't die of a heart attack.
It was so weird how great Linda looks compared to Vince. They definitely didn't see the same surgeons lol.
@lordkrauser Probably thanks to the mud packs Vince has given her over the years.
@@lordkrauserI'm sure her life was a lot less stressful.
Compare Vince from 1999 to 2002 - he aged like crazy in those 3 years because he was running much higher stacks.
I need a Cornette "Oh, Come On!" shirt to be in the works haha
"The only Job that you were able to hold ... Was the one. That your Daddy gave you" - Roddy Piper
“At Wrestlemania, you got beat by Hulk Hogan 1,2,3, period”
@@thestopisWilloughbyHogan never pinned Piper.
@@PontFlairPiper was referring to Hogan beating McMahon at WM19. Hogan technically did pin Piper dressed as ‘Mr.America’, on an episode of Smackdown, but that was such a parody it was hard to watch
Piper didn't do jobs
The producer deserves an Emmy just for making Dave Meltzer sound coherent
Dave is always excellent in these historical things
He's earned his package of twinkies and can of orange fanta
I think it's pretty apparent that Vince was sexually assaulted by his stepdad and his mother, and that greatly contributed to how he turned out as an adult, along with this inferiority complex, along with his idolization of his father, all that. And definitely, that wish to kill his stepfather.
Yeah, he really said that without saying that. Explains partially why Vince is such a fighter. But also explains partially why he was so ok with sexual/verbal abuse on his own part...it's a cycle.
@@mattm7798sexual abuse? You're talking about the 40-year-old woman who consensually chose to be there and could have left at any time?
@@shadycnetworkyour a dingus and should be put on a watch list
@@TellemG oh really I should be put on a watch list because I don't agree with you? You are just another Mark blinded by your hatred from Vince mcmahon. I am all about innocent until proven guilty. And especially when the letter was shown in her handwriting a love letter for vince. Yeah I'm sorry he's not guilty. I love her Dingus lawyer he made her write that. Yes because he's a psychic now. He know this was going to happen so he needed the letter. Dude let's be honest here he could have every bit of evidence in the world he could have a video of her saying I consent to sex with Vince McMahon and you still wouldn't believe it. See that's what a low life you are. That's how this country works. If you have evidence you're not guilty. He has evidence. I think you need to be put on a list. Wow you were talking all that smack because I don't agree with you.
Speculating, who knows who he possibly killed, his mythology is Holden Caufield meets the omen.
It was an overglorified A&E Biography. I get that they wanted to make something that EVERYONE could watch, but for the wrestling fans there was nothing new to be added that justified why it took so long to finish. The Janel Grant stuff takes up 15 mins of the LAST episode and it's mostly just reporters rehashing the stuff we already knew.
I’ve only seen the first two episodes so far and it allready seems all over the place they skipped so many things and get onto another semi related topic and go back to what they were talking about before, it was kinda confusing and I would have been even more lost if I didn’t allready know the story
@@Messwithmitchie Yeah, the pacing is incredibly off and some important stories are glossed over very quickly and other less relevant topics are given way more time.
Yeah, sounds about right. The stuff from the last 2 ish years are still pending, so they had to rely on making a normal WWE doc and focusing in on Vince occasionally, but this is like 85% WWE/F and 15% Vince. They should have just shortened it to 2-3 episodes and focused solely on Vince. Who cares that Hogan wasn't drawing anymore or how the NWO came into being in a doc about Vince.
It feels like this was originally going to be a flattering piece about Vince and the WWE, but they pivoted once the allegations came out.
@@remloonWell good I don't care about that lying witch. It shocks me how many Hogan haters and Vince haters watch wrestling. I will take any era of wrestling over today. The politically correct snowflakes of ruined it.
I’ve learned more in the first 25 minutes of this video than I did the whole 6 episodes of the documentary
They listened much better at the Linda Mcmahon part. My tv is background for internet and I just keep rewatching episode two.
This documentary was very much for the casuals and non wrestling fans. I learned nothing new.
Exactly. That's what this was for. The Netflix audience that are into true crime and netflix binging.
Most don't realize. Wrestling is not that big anymore. Even in today's boom, there are way more nonfans/casuals than the IWC realizes.
Vince challenging Shane to stab him was the only really new thing I learned.
Amen.
@@ButWhatIfItIsYep. That was interesting.
@@michaelsuezoI read this as International Watch Company
Seen all six. It was NOT a burial imo.
Meltzer was the most bearable I have seen him in a long time. Heyman was a massive kissass and apparently all talents not named Bret Hart or to a lesser extent, Tony Atlas, put their careers first even after they are over with before telling the truth about how things were. So I only gained any respect for these two and no one else. They have their integrity intact.
The inconsistencies or incorrect interpretations weren't as rife as usual.
Exactly Well said
Bret made me laugh when they started talking about Shawn.
I knew we weren't going to get a whole lot when Jimmy Heart sat down and said I don't know what they want out there and Vince saying oh I wish I could tell you the real shit
I kind of feel Netflix wanted to turn this into a burial, but the most recent allegations are still pending, so they couldn't really go into detail about them. Other than that, this was more a series on the WWE/F, not Vince.
Bruce is beyond useless in this. Meltzer was fine for a few notes here an there and was bearable, like you said.
What we really wanted was for all the skeletons in Vince's closet to be discussed, and some of them were more so than an A&E doc would have been, but more time should have been spent on his business practices, like how he specifically screwed over other promoters, and threatened PPV companies not to run JCP, stuff like that.
This was a doc really meant for the casual fan who doesn't really know the history of WWE/F.
I still enjoyed it, but am failing to see why Vince would have such a huge problem with it.
I have to rewatch, but was there near as many "wrestler" talking segments in the last episode as the others? I can't remember and reason I ask is that was when news broke and I'm wondering if alot of what was shown wasn't already filmed before.. 🤔
Dave Meltzer actually said one thing on the documentary that was very intelligent that I didn't know he knew and that's when he said Vince McMahon realized that entertainment sold better than just wrestling matches.... From the way Dave talks over the years you would think that he wouldn't have admitted that😂😂
yeah, it's hilarious how it shows he only says whatever applies to the point of view of what he's talking about and not from the other side at the same time
He also admitted to what sales tickets and viewership I believe.
he also said that having stars was more important than having good matches
@@stuartbarrett755 wonder why he doesn’t tell AEW that😂
@@stuartbarrett755stars as in star ratings?
I read the Vince McMahon book and it had a lotta details not broached by the Netflix series.
McMahon Senior was loyal to the territory bosses and that is detailed in this book as well....he wouldn't say screw them...Vince is such a liar.
That contradicts with what he's always said, which was, "My father would have never sold the company if he knew what I would do to the territory system". Not an exact quote, but you get my drift.
Which book is it? I'd love to give it a read
the timeline is everything here. He prolly had said "screw them" when Vince was already on the top and it became obvious (in retrospective) that the territory system was dead and the whole industry was for the taking with cable TV; you could broadcast your local shows nationwide for almost the same money? Expansion was a no-brainer. Fritz Von Erich and Jim Crockett were also heading in the same direction as VKM, just that he had more money(and business acumen if you ask me) to act faster than them. The only ones swearing by the territories in the 80s were Gagne and a few 'old timers'; everybody moved on
@@jonnymingham3119 Ringmaster: Vince McMahon and the unmaking of America
@@gadget00 nicely said
It would be more unbelievable if VKM was a down to earth, humble, honest man. He’s been God of an entire industry for years, deciding, on a whim at times, the fate of those he employs. He’s a carny, who refuses to accept and is ashamed that he’s only had success in a carny world.
This doc made Shane look really good and probably will help his AEW run
Shane McMahon: "Thank you. And I told the world, I told the world that, dad ...
I am just like you after all. AREN'T I, DAD? HA HA HA HA! WHOOOO!"
Not really, big disconnect between some of the talent's perception of his father and his impression. Allegations came out at end of project tipping towards talent's impression.
the biggest ball drop ever was not spending enough time covering Vince's childhood. We got just barely enough to say "oh that makes sense"... but not enough to actually understand the true origins of the monster knows as Mr. McMahon.
Vince Mcmahon tells camera episode one he does not want audience really knowing him. So it's like Kyser souze the subject's goal was present a work to make interviewer piece it together lol He wanted the interview to be assault on him but then new allegations emerged so he split
agree 100%; that's a big miss in the documentary
I believe Paul Heyman was there when Vince was interviewed (at least once) as in a later episode there's a voice which sounds like Paul and credited as such in subtitles.
"Story Line"
Anyone who has worked with Paul knows you can't trust him as far as you can throw him. He's always been a carny sweet talker. He just also happens to be an amazing wrestling manager and booker.
@@mattm7798all the best names in wrestling management/promotion have always been carny barkers, in some way - cornette included - and *some* kinda brag about it
It's a carny business. You're there to entertain the audience while fleecing them of their hard earned dollars. The best personalities - Heyman, Cornett etc - embrace and celebrate this.
Vince has a serious issue with not being associated with his father and not calling it "wrestling" because "that's what my father called it". He desperately needs to believe in the myth of the self made man. That's why, when they changed to WWE and created the new publicly traded company, he started saying that he "founded" WWE. Technically that's true, but it does allow him to ignore his father's contribution. It was all him.. The whole "junior" thing, because he's not technically a junior is a red herring. Her objects to it because he sees it as minimizing him in some way, not because it's not "technically" true. It's also a casual, basically friendly reference and he can't stand anyone feeling comfortable being casual towards him. He wants to be the puppet master and to keep everyone on edge. He's not Vince. He's Mr. McMahon. He doesn't so much care if you respect him as long as you DEFER to him.
The Turner discussion is pretty much accidentally admission he can not be objective. He projected Turner was him circa 1982 and wanted to beat himself defeating Turner but aol/Bischoff just did it for him lol
At least Hulk Hogan didn’t try to paint himself like Chuck Norris in this video.
Hogan was his Sensei, he has too much respect for Norris to do that.
@@wilcee238 Hero Matsuda actually tried to train Chuck Norris along with Hulk Hogan, but when hero would use the nunchucks on Hulk, Hogan Hulk was always able to Hulk Up I'd get back to his feet but Chuck would just get a cracked skull and lay there bleeding so that's why Verne Ganga Never hired Chuck and went with Hulk instead.
Hulk Hogan taught Chuck Norris everything he knows
Then Chuck got famous after that
Jim's detailed Vince stories are exactly what the documentary was missing!
@gojirajenkins8528 Chuck Norris really wanted to be Hulk Hogan instead of Chuck Norris.
This documentary just further cements that Shane is salt of the earth, what a guy
Hawaiian Brian made laugh like a murhafucka when he said Linda McMahon was 96 yrs old Lol, 😂good one Bri🎉
I love Jimmy C.😂 "Her nipples on her chin!". And a "C'Mon!!!! At 96 years, old is GOLD😂
In a later episode, it’s revealed that Paul Heyman was assigned to be Vince’s handler in his interview sessions. Way to let Vince hang himself there, Paul E.
The review episodes will be longer than the episodes themselves? 🤣
Yeah. Bischoff did 90 mins on ep 1 although I guess most of it is probably ads.
Probably not after this
This documentary wasn’t an expose or hit piece like everyone wanted instead it was a bunch of public information with Vince’s perspective on it. And then a minor expose at the very end with not much else.
6/10
It was still interesting seeing them discuss stuff that was swept under the rug by WWE like the ring boy scandal, Owen Hart's death, Chris Benoit tragedy etc
I rate your opinion 5/10
@@breakdown461Hmm youre review of his review is meh. But it was in the tokyo dome so 6 stars
Jim Cornette reviewing the doc its more entertaining then the doc 😂.
"I'm a mark who already knew this stuff so the doc was bad"😂😂 when marks don't realize their marks
I wanted a lot more on his childhood because as a former special ed teacher, hearing about those horror stories with what that wing was like in the 50s and 60s, especially in the rural areas like where Vince would have spent his elementary school years, is fascinating to me. Luke Gallows said the Festus gimmick was pitched to him as being one of Vince's old classmates, so given his dyslexia they probably tossed him into the self contained wing for a while.
As others have said, there was likely going to be more of that until the allegations came out. It's harder to condemn a villain when you can understand his origin story: a screwed up childhood led to a screwed up man.
Vinnie Jr.!
I remember Ivan Putski used to call him Vinnie. And yes, Lou Albano would always dig, "JUNIOR!" 😅
“I’m not Junior, pal 😂”
This just made my respect for Albano skyrocket that he merged his two hated names lol
All I'm seeing online is "they didn't show anything we didn't already know" like every wrestling fan:
a) lives in America
b) were alive since 1984
c) dives deep into Vince McMahon lore
I consider myself a hardcore fan from the Philippines. The fuck would I know about anything about Rita Chatterton and the ring boy stories unless it was brought up by Jim or if they were topical at the moment.
The documentary had subtle moments hinting of "this could be BS" without outright being a hit piece. There are absolutely things they should've devoted more time to discuss, but that doesn't discount the whole documentary to not be good, because it was good.
Actually I fall in the criteria above ... it turns out Cody has mentioned Dusty as the first choice before Hogan in another interview but episode 1 had to be the first time Vince confirmed this , and it was the first time I heard this.
Vince is easily the most fascinating person in wrestling. Maybe less so for someone younger but there's limited information out there about him which most wrestling fans know.
If you didn't know any of this shit already, You were never a fan to begin with or you're a 12 yrs man child
Because Jim has talked about them before?.
Unless you completely shelter yourself from every single piece of wrestling media not 100% produced by WWE, you should have reasonably heard about these things.
You are an exception to the rule. The vast majority of wrestling fans know the history of the sport. The vast majority of wrestling fans already know this information because it has already been covered in dozens of documentaries over the years, or was on the news. If you had ever watched a documentary about WWE, then you learned practically nothing new. You are an exception to the rule. The documentary that should have been for wrestling fans was a generic documentary for non-fans.
Most of the things on this documentary were known especially with the hardcore fans but they were finally all pieced together in a timeline and with actual past and present employees being interviewed. It’s great.
Vince's stepfather was named Leo Hubert Lupton and he died in 1965. No other info out there.
That lady's husband dies, so she sends Vince to his father...Officially Leo beat her and Vince tried to help. That's one side of history though. No stepmother's side or dead Leo's.
Like Corny, I wanted to hear more about Vince's upbringing. His childhood, before he meets his father, is really the source that directed his life. Of course, the worst talking head to me is Hogan. For him to pretend that he and Andre drew that Shea Stadium house in 1980 was absurd. Bruno and Zbysko drew that house..Hogan and Andre was like the fourth match on the card. I also didn't mind Meltzer, who sounded surprisingly reasonable.
he should have understood the difference between good and evil, the pain of being abused, exploited yet he did the same to others. he still did those deeds knowing full well what it was. from his young age to even now. you people disgust me, he had a sibling too right why didnt he turn out the way he did. rotten world with horrible people like you defending this stuff and putting a spin to it. as the LORD God of hosts says- woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! isaiah 5:20
Um if idk if you'd be put off considering the person that made the following vid, but if you're interested.....Adam Blampied back in his Whatculture days did a two parter on Vinnie Mac....the first part talks abt his childhood
ua-cam.com/video/rfX8RQKesFc/v-deo.htmlsi=WDcB7iBeE7dRuiWf
Agreed. This is about 85-90% about the WWF/E in general and about 10% on Vince.
LMFAO@ Trying to rewrite history and claim Larry Zbyscko and Bruno Sammartino outdrew the biggest draw in the history of the business 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bret was almost in tears describing how he was an artist 😂
The one thing I learned was the gorilla monsoon was the actual heir to the WWF. Man makes you wonder how everything would of went if Vince didn’t jump on it
Dusty mania and probably no global wrestling conquest.
My Uncle was the Police Chief in the area, and had run in with Vince when he ran the Colleseum. He HATED Vince, claimed Vince treated him bad, which is probably true, and still holds that grudge to this day. His hatred of Vince and wrestling lead to him telling my parents never to take me to WWF events, which they didn't. I first saw live wrestllng as an adult
Does anyone except Brian hear the gardeners or any of the background noise he is always apologizing for?
Guy must have his lawn mowed every day
Honestly comes across like he's humblebragging.
Rock said he was the first person of color to be champion.... hes related to Yokozuna 😂
I guess Simmons doesn't count either because WCW isn't relevant.
Rocks gotta to catch Hogan when it comes to Lying.
He is not related to Yokozuna.
For that matter, Rock isn't even biologically related to Peter Maivia.
@Rjensen2 the hell you say. WWE told me he was the first 3rd generation superstar A LOT LIKE ALL THE TIME and they're always so truthful
Linda probably looks younger because she doesn't have to deal with Vince anymore.
Plastic is fantastic to help the elastic feel ecstatic.
she looked pretty nice actually for been almost 80
I'm liking the old footage. Maybe not as juicy as people thought it might be, but there's still some interesting tidbits that make it worth watching imo
That's the only good thing about this whole mediocre doc was some never before seen pics and footage.. and even those weren't all that..
Before Howard Finkle came up with Wrestlemania, Vince was thinking of calling it "The Colossal Tussle" 🤮
Remember, Vince wanted to call WrestleMania: "Colossal Tussle"
Ha ha that's good shit pal
That’s what we call the daily cafeteria fights in highschool
😂😂😂
They have for whatever reason decided to take that away from Fink. Vince says here he dreamed it up on vacation and I saw the WrestleMania doc on the Network years ago, I do have the DVD, but it was on, so I watched it and they cut the segment of Fink discussing how he came up with the name.
"And then I turned to Vince, we should call it wrestlmania" - The Rock
After seeing all the episodes, I realized that Vince and WWE went from focusing on Hogan and talent to focusing on himself and his family as the main stars of the show. The amount of hubris and infatuation with crowd approval shown by the whole McMahon family is absurd. They were really addicted like crack fiends.
I'm still traumatized by the opening song & dance number from episode 2.
Stand Back!
I watched it in 1987 as child and that was before Hasselhoff started doing weird dances, Hogan holding guitar distracted from Vince Mcmahon was trying to do Vegas Elvis Newton in 1987 but kids dont get references. so it was play by play guy hogging show.
@televiper11 he sang about steppin on the competition with PASSION LOL
I watched it live in 87 & it’s always been hilarious to me.
amazing moment was Vince talking about his dad, saying the only time Vince Sr. told him he loved him was the day before he RIP'd. And it was the happiest day of his life And I couldn't tell if:)
A) He was lying about his dad saying that he loved him
B) If he was lying about his dad saying he loved him, and actually talking about the best day of his life being when Sr. passed
C) If it was all an elaborate work and I was playing right into his hands
And thats why vince may be the greatesy wrestler ever
Purely speculation. What if
Vince Sr got with a ring rat in NC and that night of passion created VKM. What if. Being there wasn’t any other connection or history. Just a one night VJM stand.
It’s plausible
That’s what I was thinking.
Stossel deserved it just for being snarky about it. Talking to anyone about anything that's that important to them in that manner is going to get you slapped. Should people handle things differently than that? Maybe, but if you act in a way that's likely to get you slapped and you get slapped, I don't have a ton of sympathy for you. Stossel knew what was going to happen. He HAD to know. It was a calculated risk and it drew him money, regardless of the lawsuit.
I love Stossel, but I 100% agree. He was beyond disrespectful.
I’ve seen better Vince docs on UA-cam
Cultaholic for one or any other YT channel
Because of all that I've read about McMahon over the years, this documentary didn't tell me anything new. For me, it just reassured my belief in Vince McMahon being the wrestling version of Televangelist, Jimmy Swaggart.
The documentary is basically 'The History of WWE... with Vince McMahon' but honestly, Netflix wouldn't do a documentary with Vince, the McMahon family and all the top stars if it was going to be a hit piece, especially with WWE shows going on Netflix.
Interesting to hear Jim´s view on this because I think he still has a soft spot for his former boss, which is absolutely understandable.
Having watched the full doc, I think it was more of a catch-all for the average netflix viewer as oppose to a deep dive for those in the bubble.
I am glad it wasnt a hit piece though. I know VKM has denounced it, but I think it was more or less a fair look at Vince.
he denounced it because it was supposed to be a documentary on his past and the history of the wwe, a comprohensive guide with people who was their opinions and additions to the story. however when the lawsuit came out netflix changed and edited the angle to be all about that instead
If the last part wasn't there I think he'd be fine with it. But overall it was a more pointed rehash of his McMahon DVD from the 2000s, a lot of the same stories except presented in a more Dark Side of the Ring sort of way rather than the "oh that crazy guy" kind of way that the DVD had.
Well, Jim knew him personally (when they were both far younger) so that's understandable that he would have a soft spot for Vince.
I think Jim kinda has some respect for Vince and their dealings personally was always pleasant. Jim is the guy who uses his personal experience with someone rather going with the public opinion.
@@dumezweninduweni158 agreed. I actually admire that about him
I've listened to parts 1 & 2 of this review so far and they've been more entertaining than the actual doc was.
Knowing some of the personalities that were around back in the territory days, I'm honestly surprised that no one tried to kill Vince when he started his expansion.
Lmao, as if any wrestling promoter would have the juice to have that done anyway. 😂😂😂
@@Rjensen2 This was the same time period when Bruiser Brody was killed in a locker room so you definitely had some guys in the biz that would have done that for 100k.
@@mattm7798 lmao, keep telling yourself that. 🤣🤣🤣
@@mattm7798 And what does Brody's murder have to do with you claiming there were lots of guys willing to do it for 100k?
This doc didn’t really show us anything we didn’t know, but seeing how certain people talk about Vince is crazy. Especially people like Bruce Pritchard, he’s such a kissass, it’s insane how he wouldn’t say anything negative about him at any point.
Belzer went to sleep in 3 seconds because that's how long it takes for anyone to go to sleep when a proper blood choke is locked in.
especially gakked out of your mind lol
Cornette saying "that's not the Vince McMahon I knew" for over a year makes sense now.
McMahon didn't want people to know what he was really like. He says this on the documentary. He wanted his "perception is reality" mantra to stick.
Explains why Bruce is so gaslit about him also. I believe Bruce has always been kept at a distance by McMahon from what he was really like.
Corny should release an omnibus on this special once all 6 have been reviewed. Be great for a long 6 hour segment on the insanity that is Vinnie Mac.
Tony Atlas’s quote later on: “We abused those womens!We did terrible things to those womens!” Is going to live in my head forever.”
I fancy his mother was a fan at one of the shows when a young Vince Senior was cruising the territories.
He knocked her up after the show, and when this woman from the trailer park approached him about the pregnancy, he didn't want to know.
Completely baseless conjecture on my part, yes; but it would fit the narrative as to why Vince would maybe be embarrassed/ashamed of his past
How old are you?
That’s oddly specific.
Anyone else never hear the god damned gardners?
The only thing that shocked me was uncle Dave didint try to shoehorn AEW and Tony Khan in this doc
He probably did but it was just edited out
He didn’t mention anything when AEW was mentioned for 30 seconds
Paul Bosch - "Here lies Vince McMahon Jr., who destroyed faith in the handshake.” XD
8:51 My guess is they were originally going to interview him about the wrestling industry during the pandemic, possibly AEW, and the future of WWE in his point of view at that point in time
I loved in episode 4 or 5 when Paul Herman shouted from behind the camera “storyline” when they brought up Vince and sable 😂
Something dawned on me after watching the first episode. I think Vince hated the words belt n hospital bc maybe they triggered feelings in him about the abuse he had as a child. Perhaps being beat with a belt so badly he had to go to the hospital? Or at least being threatened to be put in a hospital.
According to the 1950 US census, Leo Lupton jr. was an electrician. And Victoria Lupton (Vince's mom) was a waitress.
After Vince’s tweet I was really looking forward to this show. After watching it in full I was tremendously let down. Learn nothing new and Vince totally oversold it in his tweet.
That's what I'm saying..there wasn't one thing I didn't already know, wht a let down and a basic ass documentary. Why tf did they hype this up?
Vince still working marks
@@WickedCool23 Exactly - if Vince was hyping......suspect...
@@WickedCool23 Better than riding his nuts.
"Vince would do the opposite, he would burn the house down"
Vince would not only burn the house down, but then he'd erect a large, phallic tower right on the same plot of land.
15:01 So you guy's are going to just skip over that Vince said in playboy that he had sex with his mother?
That he was sexually assaulted by his mother is a big point and another significant layer in Vince McMahon's traumatic upbringing.
"Well, A Boy's Best Friend Is His Mother."
I think that was addressed in this documentary until a later episode and it sounds like they hadn’t seen all the episodes yet when they recorded this
Probably since cornys best friend was mama cornette
I couldn’t get over Uncle Dave at Donahue. I literally had to pause it and google the pictures just to really take them in lol.
I'm waiting for Jim to hear that HHH took credit for telling Vince to do the screw on Bret.
Prichard being pissy with them at the end was hilarious. Amazing they didn't squeeze conrad Thompson in there too to bootlick and do a fuckin manscape ad 😂😂😂
Tony Atlas made this special. Bret Hart as well. I watched all 6 hours. I agree with Jim. More about his childhood should have been included. Vince is the creepy, maladjusted, Trump-like figure I always knew he was…but way more. Hogan is a stooge. I don’t care if he can travel back in time 😂😂😂😂
*HE CAN, BROTHER*
The most unintentionally funny moment from this was when Jim said "Tony Atlas said" UFO 🛸 😂😂😂 I got an advertisement for something about UFOs 😂😂😂
Has anyone told them we can't hear the gardeners or planes? 😂
Wait until Corny-san hears the bit at the end where Bruce says he saw a few episodes and thought it was a "gotcha" piece.
A lot of it is everything we already knew
To hard core fans yes. But the casual fans probably didn't know alot of it. That's what these documentaries are aiming towards.
I'm a Saint Louis guy here. Mr. Costas isn't actually from here, he's from somewhere around New York State. One of his first jobs out of Syracuse University was with KMOX 1120 AM here in the mid-70's to call the Spirits of Saint Louis in the ABA. Once he "went National" he continued to have a house here and I think he considers Saint Louis his home but he was not born and raised here.
Finished the documentary. Feels the same as most about the WWE. It wasn’t even about Vince, they just interviewed him a lot.
"His lips were purple" 😂 I said the same thing😂
Vince's comments on the Owen Hart tragedy, no wonder Martha Hart never wanted Owen's name associated with the Company again.
About Simmons and Shoemaker - they had an interview on Simmons' podcast about the doc and Simmons said he was like a 5/10 on wrestling history and Shoemaker is a 10/10. I almost had a literal spit take.
Shoemaker is the guy who hosts the Ringer's wrestling podcast, a graphic designer with no experience in the wrestling business other than being a fan. He's no historian, he just convinced a guy with money and media connections that he is one.
The way Jim always says Snuka as Snooka pops me.
That's how Jesse Ventura used to say it too.
Vince criticizing Hulk for not being honest on the Arsenio Hall show was a good one.
Direct quote from Vince - “sometimes it’s better to just come clean “… lol how ridiculous