Him and trump really do sound the exact same: "It's not hypocrisy" But you just said you did the same thing. "But what I THINK is not the same as what I FEEL. I don't think I've done anything hypocritical" .....glad he got kicked out
@@Credo-rq1nc TDS? The man said he would fuck his daughter if she wasn't related... I don't think he and Vince are too far off from each other morally here.
I agree and we’ve seen so many different documentaries on the Monday night wars at this point. The best was the series they did on the WWE network back in the day, where they broke it down into multiple episodes. But there’s been so many more after that and even before it. It’s been done to death at this point. And with the death of WCW Having just aired recently watching it again in this documentary felt very repetitive.
It feels like they wanted to tear him apart but then had reservations. It was there for them to tear him apart but then it just didn't happen. I wonder who they were trying to make happy here
@@rofbagging9749 wrong about what? because if people are saying they don't cover the new scandals, they do. if you're saying it doesn't make vince look like a bad person, it does. there's some great moments with tony atlas, and vince contradicting himself or telling lies. and how much of a personal life can vince really have when he's a workaholic that dedicates everything to his business. it's what he finds fun and is enjoyable. it's more or less a 101 course on vince, but it's an effectively done 101 course. nothing wrong with that
I don't often comment, but I almost had to when I heard that. Glad someone else was equally compelled. It's wild how Jim has some of the legit funniest one liners that come out of nowhere.
I really think Netflix edited it heavily to not make WWE mad before Raw goes there next year. There's so much stuff in this documentary that could go deeper. I'd be interested in the uncut interview ffootage with Vince more than anything.
Jeff Jarrett explained him holding up Vince on his podcast. When his first wife, Jill, was diagnosed with cancer. Vince and management told Jarrett to go home and be with her. That is what is important right now. Well his paychecks got real light. They penalized him for going home which they told him to. So he didn’t want to get screw again. He wanted all his money owed to him upfront.
And after they agreed to pay him up front he asked for an extra 100k-200k for “stress” the issue caused. Is that really a class act? A guy no one in the arena paid to see demanding an extra 6 figures. He even admits to doing this. But can’t knock Jeff. If these idiots will pay you this money more power to you.
@@stewartmcrae8007 i understand your sentiment. today, wwe wrestlers get time off all the time and still get paid. That wasn’t the case back then. However, you tell me to go home and take care of my family. How can I if I have no money?
People are all upset they didnt get much new information, if any. Thats not what makes this special. Its the access to talking heads we arent normally treated to. Especially Vince. The INSIGHT we get from body language and facial expressions is gold! Again, especially with Vince. This thing is a goldmine if you want a look inside Vince McMahons mind. The way he thinks and acts is fascinating.
I totally agree. Befote this, everyone just speculated on Vince's thoughts and feelings about these subjects. Now we've finally heard it from the man himself. I found it fascinating.
the most fascinating part to me was “what i say, isnt necessarily what i think.” wow. even in a documentary about himself there’s absolutely no way he shows his true self. and he even admitted that the ‘second brain’ is thinking about sex lol. what a scary guy
@@subgrappling805oh yeah hysterical let me wish someone a concussion that I don't even know personally. That's what I've noticed about this craziness everyone wants to talk crap about Vince McMahon and they don't know the man. Hey I got to meet mjf and he told me the most annoying fan is the know-it-all. The fan who's never actually been in the ring ,never wrestled a match but thinks they know everything.
@@ezekielluna6265 was I talking to you? Dude he's not being edgy, he's most likely a virgin incel little POS. dude if any one of us became a billionaire there's not a single guy whose heterosexual that wouldn't be going crazy with some females.
Wendi DID acknowledge on one of the DSOR eps or something - she knew it was moolah when she got in there...doesn't mean she KNEW she was about to get screwed.
@@brendanspindler8924Because their divorce could potentially be the most complicated in history. It’s not the billionaire vs wife situation like Bezos. Linda was an executive and a shareholder for the private WWF/WWE and the public standalone WWE and now a shareholder in TKO. But, being a married couple, her assets and Vince’s are intertwined. Not to mention, they’d both likely have extremely strong legal teams. And no legal or financial analyst could give you a good prediction as to how long it would take or who would come out better. So as long as Vince keeps his distance, Linda doesn’t care what he does.
This entire documentary series is mainly stuff we all already know. The casual fan will get the bits and pieces and make their own idea as a whole about who Vince McMahon actually is. It basically had some new interviews with the same stories retold. Appreciated some of the rarer backstage or unused air footage.
Ya think? When did you realise that? Was it when Cody was explaining what a faction is? Or when Hogan explained what a work is?... This is Netflix man, it's for the general public.
@MentLeee Bret was awesome in this. Speaking to his feelings on topics. Vin Man on the other hand was as smooth as sandpaper and told what he wanted. Bret and Tony Atlas were great in this doc. Just clarifying, that's all.
Katfabe should still be enforced. I am not suggesting that we 'deny' the worked nature of the business. But don't break character when you are performing. It's hardly rocket surgery.
If anybody has been a long time wrestling fan, this documentary basically gives you alot of information that is already known. But i love how vince let go of the Walt Disney look & now looks like a super villain lol
Agreed, this was NOTHING new at all and we didn't hear anything new, it was about the business and a little behind the scenes but we already knew it all. I was hoping to hear more about Vince and him growing up, I didn't disagree with Brother Love at the end saying it sucked it was a burial of Vince, it wasn't even too much about Vince just what he create, stories about him how he changed throughout the years. This documentary sucked and was a major letdown.
I have always found the story and life of Vince McMahon so fascinating.I just hate the fact that we're not gonna get the final story because of what happened
To be fair, the first Nitro wasn't at just some mall. The Mall of America is $%^@# huge - it has to be one of the biggest buildings to ever host a wrestling event.
12:01 I'm suprised they forgot to mention here that Vince passed on hiring Eric Bischoff from the AWA which ultimately shaped the course of wrestling history.
Brian is such a great analyst from a non-wrestling-perspective in those analyses: "there's a lot here but not a lot here" - my thoughts watching this whole documentary ordeal on Netflix...such a waste of time, money and hype. 5 minutes of Jim's annecdotes in these reviews contain more unknown things than all six hours of that other thing...
They really should have dived deeper into Linda and Vinces relationship. If you know nothing and you watch this doc you might assume that Linda is still with him and she is fine with his behavior. Their separation is never mentioned.
I've always wondered if they even live together. I guessed probably not. I don't understand why she never divorced vince and took his ass to the cleaners.
@@NotAdultingToday her political career still depends on that McMahon surname. She will become a minister again if Trump wins in November. So, she needs to remain married to Vince.
@@ananyaraizada7657Linda wasn’t what would be considered ministerial rank, despite being a member of the US Cabinet. Administrator of the Small Business Administration is considered a Cabinet-level official, but isn’t in the line of succession to the presidency.
@NotAdultingToday She already got a settlement in a way. He paid tens of millions for her to run for political office. Maybe that was the trade off. You pay for this and you'll never have to worry about divorces and settlements.
Thank God for this episode. I was beginning to worry we were gonna have a wwe related documentary that didn’t go into detail about the Kliq and the Montreal Screwjob
Just so people understand Vince's purple lips is sign of a potential a medical condition... it most likely means his body is not getting as much oxygen as he needs. Ever seen a dead body before? The lips are purple. He most likely has a heart and or a circulatory system issue. Considering all the steroids he took I wouldn't be surprised if his body is shutting down. Make fun all you want but his days are numbered
He could have done the Rock style when he joined the nation. Hogan could have brought up how he was getting booed at the 92 Rumble . "After everything I did for you ungrateful fans"
They didn't have the right pieces to do that in WWF at the time. Hall R.I.P and Nash were the baws of the nWo. You needed Hogan to be with the right people. Him solo heel would not have worked in WWF. And if you take a look at the roster at that time, who would be put with him in a viable 3-4 man Faction? And remember, Hogan was still doin "Hogan promos" at the beginning of nWo, he had to get edited by the right people. WWF wasn't ready for "cool heel group" with Hogan as the main guy being hated. That s___ would've been vanilla as hell.
@@TheManOfTheHourEveryHournah. It wouldn't have worked. That's one arena. You had to bank on Hogan getting booed in other places too. High risk. People forget how loved Hogan was forreal.
I don’t think it would have worked in WWF, because WCW pushed a more “real” storyline. Everyone was annoyed with Hogan and his preachy ways in WCW. Then when the fans finally wanted Hulk to be the goody goody savior and beat the big bad outsiders, that’s why the turn worked so well.
@Costas22 very true i just have an annoyance with brett. on how the story changes every time. Brett himself said it was a normal punch. Then he punched him so hard his shoe came off. Then he upperutted him. Then he uppercutted him so hard he left the floor.
Wendi said that she knew it was Moolah either straight away or once she locked up in a previous interview. Spider Lady was apparently bigger and taller, which fits the description for Judy Martin.
I may be misremembering this, but I thought Bruce Pritchard had said on his podcast that when The Spider Lady came to the ring, the fans were chanting, "Moolah", so even the fans knew it was her.
@Rando1975 I wouldn't base my knowledge on Brucie lol. Wending said in a 2007 interview that she clicked. I believe she said it was when she locked up, but it might even have been before they locked up, just looking at her. It makes sense though, you couldn't mistake Judy Martin for her.
Wendi hopped in a taxi in her gear, I remember that being part of the story. But I don’t remember if someone from the office had her bags outside or if she was just that upset
Imagine if he ends up in the same vegetative state Linda was in circa 2001 for that storyline. Those two are never getting divorced, but the idea of her taking over all of his finances etc after all the years of affairs and the rest. Would be almost too tempting to call it anything other than karma 💀
Yes he did. Then in the next episode, he gave Michaels and DX credit for starting the Attitude era and not the biggest star in the history of wrestling, Stone Cold. I think all those chair shots are starting to mess with his long term memory.
@VitZ9 that's not true. Bruce Prichard says plain as day that the Attitude Era moniker was the result of a Shawn Michaels promo. Nowhere did HHH take credit for anything.
@jerryvalentino1065 Hunter has always talked about that conversation between him, Michaels, and Vince. Michaels even talked about it in his book. This damn thing has been covered through and through.
With all due respect to Linda, it's always been easy for me to wonder exactly what a guy like Vince saw in her. This docuseries made it seem to me like she was the perfect partner for Vince to basically "clean up his messes" in many ways.
Someone has to grow a pair and just go for it. I don't know if DSOTR is brave enough to take on Vin Man and give us THE REAL STORY. I love the idea you're posting. Especially after this previous season. I think The Who Killed WCW doc redeemed them a bit bc some of the past season's choices? Man, I don't know. I'd love to see a full Series of "we're just gonna give the fans a REAL Vin Man Series".
It was HHH telling Shawn "you don't have to loose to him". Bret actually suggested multiple other options but all were rejected. He even said he will drop the belt to someone else JUST LIKE THEY DID IT ALREADY when Hulkamania ran wild on Yokuzuna after he cheated and won over Bret Hart. Have we forgotten that little gem of booking decision when Vince wanted to put belt on Hogan and decided to do in that ridiculous way, on WrestleMania 10 of all the places. Shawn and HHH were real A holes back in those days. 🤢🤢🤮🤮
It takes a lot for someone to change, and I'm not completely convinced HHH has changed. The fact he wants to take credit for the screwjob and his revisionist "DX created the Attitude era" history tells me he still has a massive ego, it just isn't reflected in the ring since he retired. Shawn I tend to believe has changed, if only because of how hard he is into the Christian faith stuff. I've met people like Shawn who reformed after "finding God", and taking responsibility for their past actions is a big part of the process of asking for forgiveness from the big fella upstairs.
The only thing I learned from this Doc is that Vince never had a relationship with his dad. Vince and Shane have a bad relationship. And Stone Cold doesn’t believe in CTE like it’s the tooth fairy.
Hacksaw jim duggan and the iron sheik were pulled over on the nj turnpike together in 1980-something. Kay fabe was out way before the curtain call come on now
So, since we're at the halfway point... The documentary delivered next to nothing about Vince's childhood and what shaped his personality early on, nothing about the situation with his older brother, next to nothing that we didn't already know about his years as an employee of his father and his utter failures with his own early businesses, nothing about his relationship with Linda and her family, nothing about him as a private person. Plus tons of revisionist "history" from the WWE propaganda machine, lots of mixups in the timeline, and more than a couple of flat-out lies. If they don't MASSIVELY step up their game and they go really deep on the more recent stuff _and_ circle back around to the beginning for a more substantial take, this is a complete waste of time for anybody who isn't a complete novice to CWC/WWWF/WWF/WWE history. The fact that McMahon agreed to be interviewed for it (until he didn't anymore...), was a massive red flag. And it apparently went exactly the way everything like that has always gone for the last forty years. You're never going to get any real insight or truth from that motherf%&ker and his asslickers.
If I’m being honest nothing in this documentary was new every mid level pro wrestling fan already knew this stuff they’re wasn’t really a deep dive into anything
Holy crap! One of my earliest and most vivid memories of growing up a WWF fan due to SNME (as I didn't live in an area with a local territory) is the Danny Davis angle! I can hear Jack Tunney now, some 40 years later: "Referee Danny Davis is suspended for life!" What a wild piece of trivia, that the "evil ref turned wrestler" Dangerous Danny Davis got that spot because he was buddies with old Vinnie Lupton (VKM) at the military school and took the fall for him when they got in trouble as kids. Great stuff!
Mr. Wrestling II was on the first ever live WWF card I went to, in Lorain, Ohio on a B card against the Spoiler. Card headlined by Windham/Rotundo against Sheik/Volkoff. Also had Santana/Valentine for the IC title. That's a damn good card for Lorain.
This is the greatest, smartest, in depth pro wrestling pod cast ever created. I love you Jim Cornette…..keep up the humor, historical detail, and passion forever!!
This documentary was a waste of time. Only the stuff with him talking about his dad and him and Shane held any weight. This was neither a puff piece nor a hit. It was a&e specials regurgitated
Yea, it’s unfortunate that they filmed almost everything before the major scandals broke. So, they clearly had to edit around that and leave things more up to interpretation with the ominous double meanings for what Vince is filmed saying.
I wouldn't say that I necessarily learned much new information out of this documentary. And I agree with you about which moments held the most weight. But I do think that the documentary put certain things in a context that made it more interesting than not.
I’m surprised they didn’t interview Luger. I’m also surprised they made no mention of Jerry Jarrett coming in to potentially run the company if Vince went to prison
(mild spoilers for the full series cause I just gotta say my peace) Brian is 💯 correct, this isn't about Vince McMahon in the sense that you're driving into the psyche of the man and exploring his actual life. Although I'm sure an argument can be made that WWF was his life. This entire series is just a recap of the history of pro wrestling and the WWF, a couple of large moments in the history of the company, and ultimately just an excuse to get to the allegations which even then it's just a recap. For me, it was nice seeing the old footage and the old gang of wrestlers now, but the only thing I found interesting and fresh was the explanation of what Shane McMahon did when he vanished from the product. They mention sexual assault in Vince's childhood at the hands of his mother and then just move on like they didn't just trigger a nuclear bomb. Or when Bruce mentions the doc completely glossed over how generous Vince apparently can be, making sure Bruce's wife got the proper health care. Well, then tell those stories Bruce!
Yea, I was also surprised the show used so much of its time more so telling the history of WWF/WWE versus delving into Vince’s childhood, more about Linda’s relationship with him, more from Shane and Stephanie that was previously unknown…
it literally says every episode that the interviews where from 2021 the shit yall looking for didn’t break till the end soooooo it’s obvious that It started as an bio doc. But it was sold as a tear down doc.
This is what I've always said about "Montreal..", nevermind everything else, it was about Vince putting his foot down. "I made this guy a star, he's going to leave and make more money but he's giving me lip about what he's gonna do on his way out? Nope!" The rest is just a smoke screen. Vince is a control freak and anybody who's followed the WWE knows that! About Danny Davis' return to referee status, I remember Monsoon saying something about Davis being "on probation...".
@NathanSeitz She has had infinitely less than him too. Weight gain is preferable to being as skinny as she once was. They don't age as well. If you are a bit chubby there is more cover for the loss of elasticity in the skin. Hence the whole "bag or bones" saying.
@ButWhatIfItIs yeah it reminds of the magician Penn when he lost a significant amount of weight and then appearing very gaunt. I thought he almost looked healthier with the weight on 😂. His insides are probably coping a lot easier now he's thinner, but jeez he looks bad on the outside as a result.
McMahon has had such a public life since he was 30. There's really nothing in this doc that big wrestling fans didn't already know. Maybe some stuff with the recent lawsuits, but that's about it. Everyone wanted to know about Vince's origin and upbringing, and Bill Simmons didn't investigate it.
Vince McMahon: "If it was rape, the statute of limitation would have run out."....Spoken like a innocent man.
Lol
Him and trump really do sound the exact same:
"It's not hypocrisy"
But you just said you did the same thing.
"But what I THINK is not the same as what I FEEL. I don't think I've done anything hypocritical"
.....glad he got kicked out
@@shindean T. D. S... a sad thing to see lol
@@shindean nah, Vin Man is all alone on this one. Even Trump wouldn't say the quote posted here.
@@Credo-rq1nc TDS? The man said he would fuck his daughter if she wasn't related... I don't think he and Vince are too far off from each other morally here.
Im with Brian this is more of a history of wwe with vince sprinkled in i expected more of his personal life and everything but here we are
I agree and we’ve seen so many different documentaries on the Monday night wars at this point. The best was the series they did on the WWE network back in the day, where they broke it down into multiple episodes. But there’s been so many more after that and even before it. It’s been done to death at this point. And with the death of WCW Having just aired recently watching it again in this documentary felt very repetitive.
It feels like they wanted to tear him apart but then had reservations. It was there for them to tear him apart but then it just didn't happen. I wonder who they were trying to make happy here
Yep I said that in my initial comments days ago, and had diehard ‘fans’ tell me how wrong I was. I’m not even sure they watched it.
@@rofbagging9749 wrong about what? because if people are saying they don't cover the new scandals, they do. if you're saying it doesn't make vince look like a bad person, it does. there's some great moments with tony atlas, and vince contradicting himself or telling lies. and how much of a personal life can vince really have when he's a workaholic that dedicates everything to his business. it's what he finds fun and is enjoyable. it's more or less a 101 course on vince, but it's an effectively done 101 course. nothing wrong with that
@@getbig43 You can't separate the two. There's no way to tell where WWE ends or Vince begins.
Ted Turner laughing at the Billionaire Ted skits was awesome.
That was one of the better parts in the episode
WCW should have had DiBiase finance the NWO as “Billionare Ted”
The only thing Vince wouldn't do for the business is keep his pants on
“Satchel Ass”
Worth the price of admission
I miss when Ember Moon was booked in AEW for that alone 😂
Man i almost spat out my drink on that.
I watched that Satchel Ass shortly after for context (Richter V. Spider Lady) 😅
I don't often comment, but I almost had to when I heard that. Glad someone else was equally compelled. It's wild how Jim has some of the legit funniest one liners that come out of nowhere.
Besides Bret’s blunt answers, Undertaker saying that he had no idea how that punch got through was my favorite part.
& the way Bret gets choked up talking about Owen.
Cornette reviewing the series is better than the actual series
He gets paid to talk about it and we don't, so it's kind of a win/win. We don't have to watch and he makes money.
Agreed the documentary sucked and didn't given us enough about Vince McMahon himself.
I really think Netflix edited it heavily to not make WWE mad before Raw goes there next year. There's so much stuff in this documentary that could go deeper. I'd be interested in the uncut interview ffootage with Vince more than anything.
@@moopert86it definitely felt like an introduction to wwe for the existing audience on Netflix more than a Vince hit piece for wrestling fans s
@@BetterCallJamie It's true. There's no after-hours Vince, it's just the same old carny crap.
"Jesus Roots wasn't this long" Lol
lol
Ya know? Corny never misses a step, even in his age.
@@FUu-ql4kfhe is Super smart and a wrestling legend. Like Paul Heyman, Jim Ross, and CM Punk
Without the curtain call Austin doesn't win king of the ring and come up with the 316 promo. Crazy butterfly effect there
Good job getting the episodes out quickly Brian and Jim
And crew behind the scenes
Jay sharknado!
Jeff Jarrett explained him holding up Vince on his podcast.
When his first wife, Jill, was diagnosed with cancer. Vince and management told Jarrett to go home and be with her. That is what is important right now. Well his paychecks got real light. They penalized him for going home which they told him to.
So he didn’t want to get screw again. He wanted all his money owed to him upfront.
Double J is a class act
And after they agreed to pay him up front he asked for an extra 100k-200k for “stress” the issue caused. Is that really a class act? A guy no one in the arena paid to see demanding an extra 6 figures. He even admits to doing this.
But can’t knock Jeff. If these idiots will pay you this money more power to you.
@@jaredgarrison333 the “stress” payment was his royalties. He felt Vince was going to find a way or an excuse not to pay him the royalties due to him.
obviously his paychecks got light did he expect Vince to pay him for doing nothing
@@stewartmcrae8007 i understand your sentiment. today, wwe wrestlers get time off all the time and still get paid. That wasn’t the case back then. However, you tell me to go home and take care of my family. How can I if I have no money?
Travis got an immediate pop out of me with those purple lips
Those lips in real time scared the shit out of me.
@@sullyb23511looks like his blood circulation is fucked up or something ..he looks like he was just pulled from an Icy River rescue 🛟
That sounds more sexual than you probably intended. :)
This is a treat with how fast we are getting these uploads
No doubt! This is better than the actual episodes, I'm certain.
Indeed
True, I feel like Linda in the thumbnail, getting treated all lovingly with these immediate drops 😂 😂
@@mickeylamb4956 yeah this Netflix doc review is IT.
I guess. I can't figure out why they don't upload the full pods day of as it is. Drives me fn crazy.
27:11 New listener here. I'm kinda thinking this Russo guy and Jim are not really friends.
Replace "are not really " with "were never".
Shitstain is a term of endearment. They send christmas cards to each other every year.
Nah, it's a bit. They're actually best friends.
They are, it's a work.
Oh my sweet innocent baby. Gather round my child and I shall tell you a tale.
Someone said it best, this documentary series was an introduction to the existing Netflix audience before Raw makes the jump
People are all upset they didnt get much new information, if any. Thats not what makes this special. Its the access to talking heads we arent normally treated to. Especially Vince.
The INSIGHT we get from body language and facial expressions is gold! Again, especially with Vince. This thing is a goldmine if you want a look inside Vince McMahons mind. The way he thinks and acts is fascinating.
I totally agree. Befote this, everyone just speculated on Vince's thoughts and feelings about these subjects. Now we've finally heard it from the man himself. I found it fascinating.
the most fascinating part to me was “what i say, isnt necessarily what i think.” wow. even in a documentary about himself there’s absolutely no way he shows his true self. and he even admitted that the ‘second brain’ is thinking about sex lol. what a scary guy
Dude is a grade A narcissist and psycho
His computer brains have a glitch.
why didnt netflix bother to ask corny to do an interview for this series? he was around during a huge transition / boom period of wwe history.
If the universe was fair, Vince would have been kicked in the head by Goldberg instead of Bret.
LMMFAO…that’s funny dude.
😅 💯
@@subgrappling805oh yeah hysterical let me wish someone a concussion that I don't even know personally. That's what I've noticed about this craziness everyone wants to talk crap about Vince McMahon and they don't know the man. Hey I got to meet mjf and he told me the most annoying fan is the know-it-all. The fan who's never actually been in the ring ,never wrestled a match but thinks they know everything.
@@shadycnetworkThis person is most likely a fan because of Vince's work, let them all forget that and be edgy just for jokes
@@ezekielluna6265 was I talking to you? Dude he's not being edgy, he's most likely a virgin incel little POS. dude if any one of us became a billionaire there's not a single guy whose heterosexual that wouldn't be going crazy with some females.
Wendi DID acknowledge on one of the DSOR eps or something - she knew it was moolah when she got in there...doesn't mean she KNEW she was about to get screwed.
The crowd was chanting Moolah, so yeah she had to have known.
26:11 it's amazing the word salad Vince uttered when pressed on this point. He should have just said "I can dish it, but I can't take it."
Vince uses the phrase “caca on a plate” in this episode or the 4th. Foreshadowing. Ugh.
He’s the same person who told Triple H after the curtain call “You’re going to eat shit and learn to love the taste”.
That wasn't long after he told Razor about his first homosexual experience, right?
That's good shit, pal!
@@Christoffski”What, you and Warrior on a bearskin rug?” 😂😂😂
@@Christoffskihe randomly dropped that on Hall R.I.P from what I heard.
Agreed with Brian, the doc is good, but its not a Vince doc. Its just a WWE 40 yr recap
Correct. Its meant to hook Netflix viewers that didnt watch WWE. For when RAW comes to Netflix :)
When I saw Linda I thought about the Season when they replaced Aunt Viv on The Fresh Prince Of Belair..People eventually accepted it...🤔🤣
😂😂😂 bruh
Did Linda give Vince the green light to root anything with a pulse so she didn't have to touch him
I thought the exact same thing
Reminds me of the Clintons.
I don't understand why Linda hasn't gone out and destroy Vince unless she gave him permission to fuck around
@@brendanspindler8924Because their divorce could potentially be the most complicated in history. It’s not the billionaire vs wife situation like Bezos. Linda was an executive and a shareholder for the private WWF/WWE and the public standalone WWE and now a shareholder in TKO. But, being a married couple, her assets and Vince’s are intertwined. Not to mention, they’d both likely have extremely strong legal teams.
And no legal or financial analyst could give you a good prediction as to how long it would take or who would come out better. So as long as Vince keeps his distance, Linda doesn’t care what he does.
@@zlinedavid exactly she's been there from the beginning she's more then entitled for half if not more
This entire documentary series is mainly stuff we all already know. The casual fan will get the bits and pieces and make their own idea as a whole about who Vince McMahon actually is. It basically had some new interviews with the same stories retold. Appreciated some of the rarer backstage or unused air footage.
Ya think? When did you realise that? Was it when Cody was explaining what a faction is? Or when Hogan explained what a work is?... This is Netflix man, it's for the general public.
I need a compilation of just Bret from the documentary. He was unintentionally hilarious, per usual.
And he's still bitter and whines like a little girl with a skinned knee.
"That doesn't work for me, I've got immunity, brother"
“The Immune Hulk Hogan” 😂😂😂
That was hilarious.
The best part of this docu series was Bret telling it like it is.
Bret was the best part. Vince himself was pretty blunt about alot of things also.
@@MentLeeeno he wasn't. He told them what he wanted to tell. He ducked right out the gate.
I would've loved an extra half hour of this doc called "Cold Hart - Bret Shoots From The Hip".
He was definitely tellin it like it is LOL
@MentLeee Bret was awesome in this. Speaking to his feelings on topics. Vin Man on the other hand was as smooth as sandpaper and told what he wanted.
Bret and Tony Atlas were great in this doc.
Just clarifying, that's all.
😂😂😂"The sound when she pulled her foot out"😂😂😂
Had me in tears 😂😂
"Moolah's satchel ass" 😂
5:50 quickest and funniest joke Ive ever heard Jim make. Amazing stuff.
Seriously, that was incredible. I had to rewind about 10 times lol
Bret Hart was the original Hawk Tuah in '97 with that spit on McMahon... 🤣
Katfabe should still be enforced. I am not suggesting that we 'deny' the worked nature of the business.
But don't break character when you are performing.
It's hardly rocket surgery.
If anybody has been a long time wrestling fan, this documentary basically gives you alot of information that is already known. But i love how vince let go of the Walt Disney look & now looks like a super villain lol
That's good shit
Pal @@FUu-ql4kf
Agreed, this was NOTHING new at all and we didn't hear anything new, it was about the business and a little behind the scenes but we already knew it all. I was hoping to hear more about Vince and him growing up, I didn't disagree with Brother Love at the end saying it sucked it was a burial of Vince, it wasn't even too much about Vince just what he create, stories about him how he changed throughout the years.
This documentary sucked and was a major letdown.
Documentary was filmed before the Walt Disney look.
Yeah the moustache was AFTER the filming, genius
I have always found the story and life of Vince McMahon so fascinating.I just hate the fact that we're not gonna get the final story because of what happened
Danny Davis didn't go to military school with Vince, he's over a decade younger than McMahon.
“Roots wasn’t this long”. 😂😂😂
To be fair, the first Nitro wasn't at just some mall. The Mall of America is $%^@# huge - it has to be one of the biggest buildings to ever host a wrestling event.
12:01 I'm suprised they forgot to mention here that Vince passed on hiring Eric Bischoff from the AWA which ultimately shaped the course of wrestling history.
They do at some point in this series. Can't remember which episode.
They showed his audition tape for WWF
Brian is such a great analyst from a non-wrestling-perspective in those analyses: "there's a lot here but not a lot here" - my thoughts watching this whole documentary ordeal on Netflix...such a waste of time, money and hype. 5 minutes of Jim's annecdotes in these reviews contain more unknown things than all six hours of that other thing...
They really should have dived deeper into Linda and Vinces relationship. If you know nothing and you watch this doc you might assume that Linda is still with him and she is fine with his behavior. Their separation is never mentioned.
I've always wondered if they even live together. I guessed probably not. I don't understand why she never divorced vince and took his ass to the cleaners.
@@NotAdultingToday her political career still depends on that McMahon surname. She will become a minister again if Trump wins in November. So, she needs to remain married to Vince.
Because their separation is an open secret. It's not exactly "official."
@@ananyaraizada7657Linda wasn’t what would be considered ministerial rank, despite being a member of the US Cabinet. Administrator of the Small Business Administration is considered a Cabinet-level official, but isn’t in the line of succession to the presidency.
@NotAdultingToday She already got a settlement in a way. He paid tens of millions for her to run for political office. Maybe that was the trade off. You pay for this and you'll never have to worry about divorces and settlements.
The only thing I learned from this documentary that I didn’t know. Vince was really good at playing woah is me. I’m the victim.
Vince: "Kayfabe is an antiquated idea.'
Also Vince: "Screw you Austin, YOU'RE FIRED!"
If Shoemaker is involved…you know it won’t be good
Felt like I'm getting ahead of myself, but man... hearing a snippet of Jim's voice during the outro to Episode 5 made me pop
I was praying they'd have him appear. But no... :(
i believe you can hear Brian’s voice when they talk about the Allegations in episode 6
I just heard that too !!
@@reidro31yep !
There's brief flashes of ol' S-Stain there though 😅
Thank God for this episode. I was beginning to worry we were gonna have a wwe related documentary that didn’t go into detail about the Kliq and the Montreal Screwjob
Funniest part the visual of gerry brisco and jim cornette kicking and throwing there bags down the hall
imagine upper cutting your narcissistic boss being labeled “petty theft” years later lmaoo.
Is Vince's lips getting more purple with each video? 😂
They appeared to get more violent with each episode when you watched. It looks like lipstick.
Just so people understand Vince's purple lips is sign of a potential a medical condition... it most likely means his body is not getting as much oxygen as he needs. Ever seen a dead body before? The lips are purple. He most likely has a heart and or a circulatory system issue. Considering all the steroids he took I wouldn't be surprised if his body is shutting down. Make fun all you want but his days are numbered
@@marilynsgirl01 no wonder Vince looks like an old woman.
This Netflix documentary was disappointing. It was like one of those DVD WWE docs if there was a modicum frankness.
Hogan as a heel could have worked but it would have needed a solid story to turn him.
He could have done the Rock style when he joined the nation. Hogan could have brought up how he was getting booed at the 92 Rumble . "After everything I did for you ungrateful fans"
They didn't have the right pieces to do that in WWF at the time. Hall R.I.P and Nash were the baws of the nWo. You needed Hogan to be with the right people. Him solo heel would not have worked in WWF.
And if you take a look at the roster at that time, who would be put with him in a viable 3-4 man Faction? And remember, Hogan was still doin "Hogan promos" at the beginning of nWo, he had to get edited by the right people. WWF wasn't ready for "cool heel group" with Hogan as the main guy being hated. That s___ would've been vanilla as hell.
They had the story when the fans popped for Jake and booed Hogan. 😂
@@TheManOfTheHourEveryHournah. It wouldn't have worked. That's one arena. You had to bank on Hogan getting booed in other places too. High risk.
People forget how loved Hogan was forreal.
I don’t think it would have worked in WWF, because WCW pushed a more “real” storyline. Everyone was annoyed with Hogan and his preachy ways in WCW. Then when the fans finally wanted Hulk to be the goody goody savior and beat the big bad outsiders, that’s why the turn worked so well.
Why Jim Cornette and Jim Ross wasn't interviewed? Stupid ass Netflix
That’s the really money them 2 and Brett
Lol..are u kidding?!?!?….called fear
My favorite completely unsubstantiated rumor about Vince is that Moolah “broke him into the business”.
See I assumed it was Patterson 😂
Vince and HHH acting like he went in the locker room hands down only for Bret to tear through the bullshit was a thing of beauty.
Uppercutted him, he had a black eye.
@@JustAJollyDude An uppercut doesn't necessarily land on someone's jaw, especially the way they were tangled.
@@Costas22 he didn't go in on some "I owe Bret". He got his TV turned off LOL
@Costas22 very true i just have an annoyance with brett. on how the story changes every time. Brett himself said it was a normal punch. Then he punched him so hard his shoe came off. Then he upperutted him.
Then he uppercutted him so hard he left the floor.
Vince probably had his head down when they were locked up@@JustAJollyDude
@ 0:54 "Wild Card, Bitches!!" - not Baseball, but the immortal Charlie Kelly.
Also Jim, the Koplitivitz family would like to have a word with you.
Wendi said that she knew it was Moolah either straight away or once she locked up in a previous interview. Spider Lady was apparently bigger and taller, which fits the description for Judy Martin.
From the footage it's clear that she knew something was up right away.
@@BiggieTrismegistusYep. Smaller woman, and different style to Judy, according to Wendi.
I may be misremembering this, but I thought Bruce Pritchard had said on his podcast that when The Spider Lady came to the ring, the fans were chanting, "Moolah", so even the fans knew it was her.
@Rando1975 I wouldn't base my knowledge on Brucie lol.
Wending said in a 2007 interview that she clicked. I believe she said it was when she locked up, but it might even have been before they locked up, just looking at her. It makes sense though, you couldn't mistake Judy Martin for her.
Wendi hopped in a taxi in her gear, I remember that being part of the story. But I don’t remember if someone from the office had her bags outside or if she was just that upset
Hogan got creative control on his plea deal and pulled the "that doesn't work for me brother" when he got on the stand 😂
Zahorian STILL practices in PA! Go get your candy, boys!!
I think the referee for the Spider Lady Incident was Jack Lotz who also refereed Hulk Hogan's WWF Heavyweight title victory over the Iron Sheik.
For an old lady, Linda looks good. Better then Vince does
Imagine if he ends up in the same vegetative state Linda was in circa 2001 for that storyline. Those two are never getting divorced, but the idea of her taking over all of his finances etc after all the years of affairs and the rest. Would be almost too tempting to call it anything other than karma 💀
Them doctors in plastic surgery business have nice skills.
I highly doubt they live together which is why she looks better then him.
@@NotAdultingToday😂💀🤷🏽♀️
She looks better now than 20 years ago
"satchel ass"
Is it me or did Triple H take credit for coming up with the Montreal screw job in this episode?
Yes he did. Then in the next episode, he gave Michaels and DX credit for starting the Attitude era and not the biggest star in the history of wrestling, Stone Cold.
I think all those chair shots are starting to mess with his long term memory.
@VitZ9 that's not true. Bruce Prichard says plain as day that the Attitude Era moniker was the result of a Shawn Michaels promo. Nowhere did HHH take credit for anything.
@@danthemancushecanhe def did take credit for the screw job lol. Blink and you’ll miss it but he said it 😂
@jerryvalentino1065 Hunter has always talked about that conversation between him, Michaels, and Vince. Michaels even talked about it in his book. This damn thing has been covered through and through.
The biggest pop in the Garden when she pulls her foot out!!!😆😆😆😆😆😆
I like Bret Hart, but saying "The Kliq" group broke keyfabe and killed wrestling is his typical pretentiousness. He just hate them.
It seems to me the Montreal Screwjob is the bigger breaker of Kayfabe.And fucking shower the corruption at the heart of McMahon’s business.
Honestly it was pretty warranted, by all accounts they were giant pieces of shit and fucked a lot of the roster for years.
When Brian said “field goal kick to the p****” I lost it lol
With all due respect to Linda, it's always been easy for me to wonder exactly what a guy like Vince saw in her. This docuseries made it seem to me like she was the perfect partner for Vince to basically "clean up his messes" in many ways.
Brian is forgetting about Vince's other friend, the chef 😂
They didn’t talk to Paul London either.
They definitely breezed past the Ashley story
@@anointed6386 they ran like track stars passed all of the real stories.
I legit laughed when I saw this comment 😂
Honestly they should’ve, or at the very least used clips from cafe de Rene.
Darkside of the Ring gotta pick up on Vince. Whole next season need to be dedicated to Vince! lol
Someone has to grow a pair and just go for it. I don't know if DSOTR is brave enough to take on Vin Man and give us THE REAL STORY.
I love the idea you're posting.
Especially after this previous season. I think The Who Killed WCW doc redeemed them a bit bc some of the past season's choices? Man, I don't know.
I'd love to see a full Series of "we're just gonna give the fans a REAL Vin Man Series".
It was HHH telling Shawn "you don't have to loose to him". Bret actually suggested multiple other options but all were rejected. He even said he will drop the belt to someone else JUST LIKE THEY DID IT ALREADY when Hulkamania ran wild on Yokuzuna after he cheated and won over Bret Hart. Have we forgotten that little gem of booking decision when Vince wanted to put belt on Hogan and decided to do in that ridiculous way, on WrestleMania 10 of all the places. Shawn and HHH were real A holes back in those days. 🤢🤢🤮🤮
It takes a lot for someone to change, and I'm not completely convinced HHH has changed. The fact he wants to take credit for the screwjob and his revisionist "DX created the Attitude era" history tells me he still has a massive ego, it just isn't reflected in the ring since he retired.
Shawn I tend to believe has changed, if only because of how hard he is into the Christian faith stuff. I've met people like Shawn who reformed after "finding God", and taking responsibility for their past actions is a big part of the process of asking for forgiveness from the big fella upstairs.
The best part of listening to these on UA-cam is waiting to find out what part of the episode inspired the thumbnail.
If the numbers are good they’ll do a season 2 or at least a follow up about the new federal investigation
The only thing I learned from this Doc is that Vince never had a relationship with his dad. Vince and Shane have a bad relationship. And Stone Cold doesn’t believe in CTE like it’s the tooth fairy.
Hacksaw jim duggan and the iron sheik were pulled over on the nj turnpike together in 1980-something. Kay fabe was out way before the curtain call come on now
So, since we're at the halfway point... The documentary delivered next to nothing about Vince's childhood and what shaped his personality early on, nothing about the situation with his older brother, next to nothing that we didn't already know about his years as an employee of his father and his utter failures with his own early businesses, nothing about his relationship with Linda and her family, nothing about him as a private person. Plus tons of revisionist "history" from the WWE propaganda machine, lots of mixups in the timeline, and more than a couple of flat-out lies.
If they don't MASSIVELY step up their game and they go really deep on the more recent stuff _and_ circle back around to the beginning for a more substantial take, this is a complete waste of time for anybody who isn't a complete novice to CWC/WWWF/WWF/WWE history. The fact that McMahon agreed to be interviewed for it (until he didn't anymore...), was a massive red flag. And it apparently went exactly the way everything like that has always gone for the last forty years. You're never going to get any real insight or truth from that motherf%&ker and his asslickers.
Dunno, being sexually assaulted makes a lot of sense
How many times are you going to post this rant?
If I’m being honest nothing in this documentary was new every mid level pro wrestling fan already knew this stuff they’re wasn’t really a deep dive into anything
Holy crap! One of my earliest and most vivid memories of growing up a WWF fan due to SNME (as I didn't live in an area with a local territory) is the Danny Davis angle! I can hear Jack Tunney now, some 40 years later: "Referee Danny Davis is suspended for life!" What a wild piece of trivia, that the "evil ref turned wrestler" Dangerous Danny Davis got that spot because he was buddies with old Vinnie Lupton (VKM) at the military school and took the fall for him when they got in trouble as kids. Great stuff!
Mr. Wrestling II was on the first ever live WWF card I went to, in Lorain, Ohio on a B card against the Spoiler. Card headlined by Windham/Rotundo against Sheik/Volkoff. Also had Santana/Valentine for the IC title. That's a damn good card for Lorain.
Wrestling II wrestled on the card?
This is the greatest, smartest, in depth pro wrestling pod cast ever created. I love you Jim Cornette…..keep up the humor, historical detail, and passion forever!!
Lmfao @ Service Merchandise! 😂 Wow! That's bringing it back!
Purchased a great AM-FM cassette boom box from Service Merchandise in Auburn, Massachusetts back in the day! Good stuff
@johncomeau2480 mine had a little sound proof room for stereos and I was in heaven! The good ol days!
@dciach12 mine still picks up the Red Sox on AM band. No cover for the D cell batteries. Still works though.
I hate the words “sports entertainment”
This documentary was a waste of time. Only the stuff with him talking about his dad and him and Shane held any weight.
This was neither a puff piece nor a hit. It was a&e specials regurgitated
Facts
Yea, it’s unfortunate that they filmed almost everything before the major scandals broke. So, they clearly had to edit around that and leave things more up to interpretation with the ominous double meanings for what Vince is filmed saying.
If you're a nerd and watched the DVDs over 10 years ago then that was the only revelation. This definitely felt for newer fans.
Well I thought it was a great watch
I wouldn't say that I necessarily learned much new information out of this documentary. And I agree with you about which moments held the most weight.
But I do think that the documentary put certain things in a context that made it more interesting than not.
I’m surprised they didn’t interview Luger. I’m also surprised they made no mention of Jerry Jarrett coming in to potentially run the company if Vince went to prison
(mild spoilers for the full series cause I just gotta say my peace)
Brian is 💯 correct, this isn't about Vince McMahon in the sense that you're driving into the psyche of the man and exploring his actual life. Although I'm sure an argument can be made that WWF was his life.
This entire series is just a recap of the history of pro wrestling and the WWF, a couple of large moments in the history of the company, and ultimately just an excuse to get to the allegations which even then it's just a recap.
For me, it was nice seeing the old footage and the old gang of wrestlers now, but the only thing I found interesting and fresh was the explanation of what Shane McMahon did when he vanished from the product.
They mention sexual assault in Vince's childhood at the hands of his mother and then just move on like they didn't just trigger a nuclear bomb. Or when Bruce mentions the doc completely glossed over how generous Vince apparently can be, making sure Bruce's wife got the proper health care. Well, then tell those stories Bruce!
I recommend the Behind the B@stards series for really digging the dirt
I'll check that out
Yea, I was also surprised the show used so much of its time more so telling the history of WWF/WWE versus delving into Vince’s childhood, more about Linda’s relationship with him, more from Shane and Stephanie that was previously unknown…
@@Jacob-2796I hadn’t even heard about that podcast series, thanks for the tip!
it literally says every episode that the interviews where from 2021 the shit yall looking for didn’t break till the end soooooo it’s obvious that It started as an bio doc. But it was sold as a tear down doc.
I thought it was Judy Bagwell under the mask but that’s just me
Big Judy would've hurt Wendy too bad.
Judy Cakewell
This is what I've always said about "Montreal..", nevermind everything else, it was about Vince putting his foot down. "I made this guy a star, he's going to leave and make more money but he's giving me lip about what he's gonna do on his way out? Nope!" The rest is just a smoke screen. Vince is a control freak and anybody who's followed the WWE knows that!
About Danny Davis' return to referee status, I remember Monsoon saying something about Davis being "on probation...".
Someone needs to find Ref. Danny Davis and interview him ASAP
I was today years old when i discovered Corney's pal Danny Davis was not the wrestling referee Danny Davis
When Cornettes review is as long as the episode 😅
Linda looks like she's about to drop that cone and run screaming in the opposite direction here
Linda looked more like Barbra bush or Hilary Clinton than Linda lol
She has a better plastic surgeon than Vince.
@NathanSeitz She has had infinitely less than him too.
Weight gain is preferable to being as skinny as she once was. They don't age as well. If you are a bit chubby there is more cover for the loss of elasticity in the skin. Hence the whole "bag or bones" saying.
@ButWhatIfItIs yeah it reminds of the magician Penn when he lost a significant amount of weight and then appearing very gaunt. I thought he almost looked healthier with the weight on 😂. His insides are probably coping a lot easier now he's thinner, but jeez he looks bad on the outside as a result.
“The immune” Hulk Hogan 😂. Someone check if Jericho has that one already.
Wonder what jim will say about hhh saying he came up with the screwjob
McMahon has had such a public life since he was 30. There's really nothing in this doc that big wrestling fans didn't already know. Maybe some stuff with the recent lawsuits, but that's about it. Everyone wanted to know about Vince's origin and upbringing, and Bill Simmons didn't investigate it.
The thumbnail makes me want to see a sitcom about Vince McMahon’s life called
“Crappy Days”.
That's good shit pal!
Episode 1: Egg
Shit on it, ayyyyyyyyyy
*"Sunday Monday, CRAPPY DAYS, Tuesday Wednesday, CRAPPY DAYS..."*
@@MetalJT24hahaha
The fact they didn't ask about/air Nailz questions is ehhhh. But I gotta hear about that single Bret Hart punch how many times? That's my bugbear.
This is such good shit
Pal!
God Damm